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Author Topic: Conversion, maybe not!  (Read 3672 times)
casinobill
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« on: August 16, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

Patrick,

There is no real reason to convert unless this is something that you really want to do.  The only expectation that the Church wants to hear is that, if there are going to be children that they will be raised in the Church.  Perhaps the best way to explore this is to talk to local clergy about these issues because they vary somewhat locally.  

If you want to go any deeper, write me...

Bill

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El Diablo
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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Conversion, maybe not!, posted by casinobill on Aug 16, 2001


Hi Bill,

The Catholic Church does not recommend marriages between persons of different Faiths.  As a result of this, I think the preference would be for conversion if it was in the heart of the person converting.  For instance, my Father was a convert from Methodism when marrying my mother who is Catholic.  The practice is less common today nevertheless I think I'm on safe ground in my statements.

A good source for these kind of questions (marriage, divorce), is the latest Catechism put out by the Church.  It's a document that summarizes church teaching on any number of topics.  I found the English translation online in a variety of places.  Here's one url:

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm

I found the portion that is most closely related to this topic by looking in Section II under Marriage.  Below are a few paragraphs that I have cut and pasted from the document.

El Diablo


"""Mixed marriages and disparity of cult

In many countries the situation of a mixed marriage (marriage between a Catholic and a baptized non-Catholic) often arises. It requires particular attention on the part of couples and their pastors. A case of marriage with disparity of cult (between a Catholic and a nonbaptized person) requires even greater circumspection.

Difference of confession between the spouses does not constitute an insurmountable obstacle for marriage, when they succeed in placing in common what they have received from their respective communities, and learn from each other the way in which each lives in fidelity to Christ. But the difficulties of mixed marriages must not be underestimated. They arise from the fact that the separation of Christians has not yet been overcome. The spouses risk experiencing the tragedy of Christian disunity even in the heart of their own home. Disparity of cult can further aggravate these difficulties. Differences about faith and the very notion of marriage, but also different religious mentalities, can become sources of tension in marriage, especially as regards the education of children. The temptation to religious indifference can then arise.

According to the law in force in the Latin Church, a mixed marriage needs for liceity the express permission of ecclesiastical authority.In case of disparity of cult an express dispensation from this impediment is required for the validity of the marriage. This permission or dispensation presupposes that both parties know and do not exclude the essential ends and properties of marriage; and furthermore that the Catholic party confirms the obligations, which have been made known to the non-Catholic party, of preserving his or her own faith and ensuring the baptism and education of the children in the Catholic Church.

Through ecumenical dialogue Christian communities in many regions have been able to put into effect a common pastoral practice for mixed marriages. Its task is to help such couples live out their particular situation in the light of faith, overcome the tensions between the couple's obligations to each other and towards their ecclesial communities, and encourage the flowering of what is common to them in faith and respect for what separates them.

In marriages with disparity of cult the Catholic spouse has a particular task: "For the unbelieving husband is consecrated through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is consecrated through her husband." It is a great joy for the Christian spouse and for the Church if this "consecration" should lead to the free conversion of the other spouse to the Christian faith. Sincere married love, the humble and patient practice of the family virtues, and perseverance in prayer can prepare the non-believing spouse to accept the grace of conversion.""""

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Edge
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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Conversion, maybe not!, posted by El Diablo on Aug 16, 2001

I was baptized a catholic and also had the sacrament of first communion, but I never was confirmed in the church until a few years ago.  I recall around 1997.  The reason I am mentioning this is because I had to go through the RCIA program which I believe translates to Rite of Catholic or Christian Initiaton for Adults.  A six month program where you meet weekly. The program is also for people who need to be baptized and receive first communion and confirmation.  

The majority of the people in the program are there because they are marrying a catholic and they want to "convert" or join the Church.  It really is an excellent program, at least at my local parish, and I have continued as a sponsor for other people the last few years.  But it takes 6 months so that kind of weeds out anyone who is not serious.

My favorite uncle was ordained as a priest last year at 60 years old.  He is now in Casper, WY.  He went there (Wyoming) because they have the greatest need for priests.  At the ordination, I did not see one priest under 40 years old.  He was a criminal lawyer for many many years (but always hated it).  He is making an excellent priest now, which is what he always should have been.

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El Diablo
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Conversion, maybe not!, posted by Edge on Aug 16, 2001


Hey Edge,

Your story is not much different than my own, I was raised a Catholic but did not receive Confirmation.  I think it was about the time of high school and despite my mother's urging, I refused.  I was a bit more wild back in those days than I am today. (-:

I came back to the church in my mid twenties and finally received my confirmation in 1991.  The catechetical director at my parish suggested I go through the RCIA program but as you suggest it's purpose is mainly for converts.  Anyway I talked it over with the director and we decided just to meet every so often to confirm that I understood basic church doctrine.  Anyway the two us are the same age and of similar Catholic backgrounds and we became great friends over time.

While I belong to the Latin or Roman Rite, my catechechetical director friend took a particular interest in eastern theology and he eventually switched to the Byzantine rite.  A year ago this month he was ordained as a Ruthenian (Byzantine) Catholic Priest here in California.  Ruthenian Catholics have their roots in what is today the Ukraine.  They are eastern in theology and their mass or liturgy is very similar to the Orthodox however they are not in schism but rather in full union with the western church.  

El Diablo

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