Truth, opinion, history, perspective

[DallasSteve]

... in response to Re: There is no story, posted by Tai on Jul 6, 2001

Tai

Thanks for the followup.  In my opinion these points are enough to warrant exposing her even without Larry's story.  

A friend of mine is looking for a Russian bride.  Probably the most famous agency owner for Russian brides is Art Steckel.  I read on the RWL board that when it comes to potential foreign brides he has only one question: "Have they ever asked you for money?"  

That's probably a little too cut and dried, but it's not far off either. Even my wife asked me for money to cover her visa costs.  She tried to get more, but that's all I gave her until she arrived.  Since then she's been deep in my pockets, but I'm smiling.  After all, that's what most wives do.

Steve

[Bueller]

... in response to Re: There is no story, posted by Tai on Jul 6, 2001

It sounds like you picked up the big red flag right off, that of asking for money. She must really be charming for you not to have just walked away that minute.  

  Larry´s a great guy, and we all owe him a debt of gratitude for his candor in letting us dissect his "real life seminar". I don´t say this to pile on to him, but something you should all keep in mind is "don´t violate your own rules". Larry admitted that he did just that, but I hadn´t heard about the cell phone thing until now. Even Larry said, only half kidding I think, that if she´s got a cell phone, run! I don´t know if owning a cell phone is automatic cause for fleeing, but in my opinion a cell phone shut be shut off during a date, meeting, etc. All cell phones, to my knowledge, have voice mail, and not shutting the phone off when with someone special is just plain discourteous.

  Of course, that ties in to another "rule" violated, that of choosing someone too young.

[rick13]

... in response to Re: There is no story, posted by Tai on Jul 6, 2001

Tai, I think it is important that a man who plans to marry a foreign woman should learn as much about her language and culture as he can.  In your case, your knowledg of Spanish came in quite handy.

 I do not understand though why other AM would not see red-flags with the actions of Luz and her sister. Do AM ignore all for the sake of having a pretty young thing on his arms?

Would the red flags have been more blarring had she been plain. I don't get this. First men complain about the misbehavior of AW.. They lie, are greedy,play men,and do  not appreciate a good man ect. Then they get on a plane and find a foreign girl who lies,is greedy, plays men  cannot appreciate good guy,and they refuse to see or believe a foreign woman can do that because all the hype about foreign women being so sweet and different makes them blind to reality.                                              Wake up! women are the same everywhere. There is good and bad everywhere. Be realistic and stop allowing youth and beauty to whip all common sense out of you. ......Live,learn,listen.                

[Edge]

... in response to Re: Re: There is no story, posted by rick13 on Jul 6, 2001

Knowing how to speak Spanish is a huge help in being able to protect yourself, as Tai has indicated.  Alot of these girls/women are very good at subterfuge and some guys do not want to see the red flags or choose to ignore them.

[Richard Smith]

... in response to Truth, opinion, history, perspective, posted by Tai on Jul 6, 2001


 Why don't you tell us her name and where to find her picture?  This forum is too help other men.  Unless your making this all up.

[Richard Smith]

... in response to Re: Truth, opinion, history, perspective, posted by Richard Smith on Jul 6, 2001


Never mind.  You give the details in another thread "Operator Advising... yes"".  Good job.

[Patrick]

... in response to Truth, opinion, history, perspective, posted by Tai on Jul 6, 2001

You've made several posts leading up to you're exposing her, but in mind, you have yet to do that.  You mentioned that she "works" guys, and that there was a "phoney religous conversion", but I don't recall you ever saying exactly what it is that she does that's bad.  What does "working a guy" consist of?  Is she conning money out of men? Is she simply a flake that falls in and out of "love" at the drop of a hat, or is it simply that she's extremely attractive and as such very demanding in terms of what she will accept in a man and ending relationships with them without tact?  

She may indeed be using men, but you have yet to spell it out, at least in my mind.  If you're going to expose her, please at least say what it is that she's done with some detail.  Were the details posted some time in the past?

[Slim]

... in response to How about some details?, posted by Patrick on Jul 6, 2001

If the man involved in this sad story is LG, then beyond a doubt, Tai is doing a great service in unmasking this psycho.  LG's story is well documented on LWL, and I know him to be honest, forthright, and well-balanced.

[Tai]

... in response to Re: How about some details?, posted by Slim on Jul 6, 2001

Yes, the man involved is LG.

He responded to the "Operator advisory...yes" post identifying himself.

Tai

[Houndog]

... in response to How about some details?, posted by Patrick on Jul 6, 2001

One large part of the saga is completely spelled out on LWL. For any of those interested in all the unfortunate details.
It's in the LWL archives...
HD

[Houndog]

... in response to Re: How about some details?, posted by Houndog on Jul 6, 2001

Patrick, I agree with you about details and have questioned agency bashers on many an occasion for details of their problems. Yes there are two sides to every story....yes the truth probably lies 'somewhere' in the middle in many cases.

Yes the guy that got hurt was possibly 'out of his zone' IMO. OTOH...a truly sincere, honest, forthright person would/could/should have done things to end a relationship/or never have begun one with a little less callousness than the story elicits too.  

IMO...it is just like exposing an agency that provides service detremental to those less worldly and perhaps more nieve than others. This process involves considerably more risk than most newbies realize. And by coming out with the pitfalls along the way...every person is allowed to choose for themselves whether they 'feel lucky' or are a good enough 'snake charmer' not to get bit.

As far as the "predatory types' go...nothing will change them or their outcome...short term...they will only be provided with less/different victims/participants.

Regards, HD

[Patrick]

... in response to Re: Re: How about some details?  footnot..., posted by Houndog on Jul 6, 2001

Yes, but other than to say she works men and had some sort of unbelievable religous conversion, he said nothing about what she did.  Without hearing the story, neither I, nor anyone else not privy to the details that some of you seem to know, could make a judgement.  He hasn't exposed her.  He's simply insinuated that she's a bad person to be avoided.  Without details, there's not even one side of the story presented.

[Houndog]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: How about some details?  foo..., posted by Patrick on Jul 6, 2001

...yes sorry....several of us know the entire story over a long period of time, as it played out.

Now I understand from the point of yourself and others not knowing in advance of these posts .

HD

[Houndog]

... in response to Truth, opinion, history, perspective, posted by Tai on Jul 6, 2001

Tai,

Thank you...you did the hard but right thing IMO. Yes I know the guy involved very well and truly felt for him upon reading his story recently. He was, like Hoda mentioned one of my original mentors also..in fact from time to time I still mention one of the aspects I learned from him..."The Sweetness Factor".

Rest assured you have helped others avoid problems possibly. I am firing off several emails to friends and family (my wifes cousin)in Cartagena that will at least prevent anyone that is helped by me and mine to avoid this girl. Sending out the warning of course is all we can do...."Mistake Looking for a Place to Happen"...then like you say...it's individual choice as to "how lucky" a guy thinks he is.

Regards, HD

[rick13]

... in response to Truth, opinion, history, perspective, posted by Tai on Jul 6, 2001

Tai, she is a very attractive girl and obviously very sexy to boot.  Whle most men will think with their little heads when faced with a woman they find attractive,what made you run? Are you better at spotting red flags than the average AM going to a foreign country? Perhaps you can educate some of us here on what to look for. Do you think the very pretty women become spoiled by AM attention,and generosity? Those girls being so much in demand becoming greedy and just like to play. Unfortunately, I think most men on this ride have a false impression that they can get a young cute girl and have her forever. If some of these ladies are already learning to play AM while still in their country,what happens when she gets here? There will be an abundant of men to play with in her new playground.

  Guys, stop going mainly or looks and search for a package! Beautiful women have bought men down since the beginng of time, because some men will place a premium on beauty and refuse to see the bad. There are good attractive women out there.Choose wisely. Again, can you please fill us in on some red flags to avoid?