The LP contribution: Positive or Negative

[juio99]

The public at large creates its own stars, heros and idols.  Then the public has to live with them when they turn into monsters.  This board is a microcosm of the general public.  We have our own valuable contributors, some of whom are also monsters.

I must agree with Greg, KenC and others who claim that LP has been a
valuable contributor.  And no, I am not going to cite the postings that back up my belief; I do not make a listing of such postings.  In fact, I would say that LP has been one of the most valuable contributors on this board along with Jack, KenC, Dan, WmGo, Go2Russia, MarkInTx, Greg, and Russian Wife.  And LP has gone to great lengths to help me personally with travel information on a private basis.  He is a wealth of information and analysis.

However, there are important differences between the first two listed and the last seven.  With the last seven, you can safely read almost everything they post in terms of getting something of value (let’s hope Dan’s childish repartee with Oscar was an aberration.)  And these are people that most of us would want to share a meal with.  

I would also agree with Yoe, MarkInTx, Oscar, etc., who feel that LP is full of ‘poopy.’  With LP and Jack, they write just about as much ‘poopy’ and vitriol as they do valuable stuff.  These two are mean spirited individuals whom I would not want to spend ten minutes with in person.  Jack is a bully and has probably been a bully since grade school.  LP gets his superiority kicks only when he is putting down on others.

For newcomers, I would go so far as to suggest that you could just read everything that the nine persons listed above have written and ignore everything else posted here.  But glance quickly at that written by LP and Jack to see if they are in help mode or are they in monster mode and then
delete accordingly.

How did they become monsters on this board?  We created them
ourselves.  Jack is so helpful to so many guys that they become his
sycophants who will back him up regardless of how outrageous and unfair is his treatment is of other posters.  LP had a few bleacher fans who applauded his mean spirited attacks, mainly because of their entertainment value, and kept bemoaning the fact that he had disappeared for a time.  He now feels the need to keep up the attacks to maintain his standing.

Only when the most respected members of this board call people into
account, regardless of personal friendships (just as Jack did with Dan and Oscar), will board monsters be tamed.

JR

[Jack]

... in response to The LP contribution: Positive or Negativ..., posted by juio99 on Jun 18, 2002

JR,

 Jack could be quiet and meek and purposely not say anything to offend anyone. Dispite you and your great professional wisdom (not!), Jack was never a bully when young, quite the opposite in fact, but this type of inacurracy is constant with much of what you write.

 Jack has gotten the bully mentality around here on occassions because I do not mind speaking my peace and do not care what anyone has to say about me when I tell the world about a person the likes of a LEO! You remember Leo, don't you juio? The lowest type of scum and even to this day he is still the lowest form of scum I have dealt with in regards to this site. Jack speaks his mind against other individuals that I think are harmful such as Leo and mad Max.
 
 The Internet is very un-forgiving. Leo and Max, just as two examples, and there are another dozen like them, are not about to just try to slip away quietly, NOOOOooo, we will make you pay for this Jack, and I do. But I realize when you are the best, it really doesn't matter. Leo has written so much false crap about me and my company under so many names, as has Max, that it would be easier for me not to expose scum and scam. I could just ignore these types JR and not say anything, but I find there type very harmful. I find scamming and scammers harmful and as such speak my peace. Speaking my peace is not what some people want to hear. I was scammed early and often. Jack knows the pain. Every week now I must get 5 or 6 letters or messages from different guys thanking me for my part in helping them not getting scammed or discovering they were being scammed and this is what it is all about juio. One such compliment a month would be nice, to help and receive knowledgement from 25 guys a month is heaven and as such I could care less about your opinion of me.

 I realize that when you are the best in the world at what you do, and how many people can say that JR? How many people can say they are the very best in the world at what they do? Not many I think. And ok, I will concede and say that if I am not the best in the world, I have to be in the top 5, and that's not bad either. But when you are the best at what you do, you can talk the talk and you can walk the walk, like me!

[LP]

... in response to The LP contribution: Positive or Negativ..., posted by juio99 on Jun 18, 2002

...You should have been a politican. The fact is that everyone has good and bad traits, yourself included. Everyone here writes "poopy" at times, even when they don't intend to. Poopy is often in the eye of the beholder.

Its also true that people sometimes line up in a dispute based on friendships or a more intimate knowledge of the culprit. I try not to do that if I can, realizing that even people I resepct can get outta hand depending on the individual circumstances of the dispute. Nor do I hold a grudge. I'm entitled to my opinions and although I have a rough way of expressing them, they are as valid as anyone's.

My "need" to maintain my standing by being "mean spirited" is pure BS however. If so I would not have abandoned my "standing" for many months and would continue on now. And anyone who finds entertainment in mean spirited attacks is more than a little screwed up. Are you suggesting the same intelligent and "widely respected" individuals you mentioned fall into this catagory? I doubt thats really the case. Besides, if I was mean spirited in general, I wouldn't have help you now would I?

This medium does not allow true insight into a individual's personality. Since that happens on both sides of the communication, only a generalization (and often a confused one) can be drawn. Also, in an attempt to convey an accurate message some people just don't do well expressing themselves with the written word. Ironic, eh? Even ol' Oscar knows people are complex animals to figure out, even in person and after knowing them for years. (lol, anyone with an ex wife can attest to that.)

The fact is that as human beings we are all capable of the most despicable acts known, it just depends on the circumstances. Hey, just read a newspaper. It happens every day and the root cause is often an inability to control one's emotional state, especially when it comes to "the one you love". Making *quick* decisions based on emotion is never a good idea, that includes marrying a woman from another culture you've known for a few weeks. No rational person would disagree, not even the people doing it if they were on the outside looking in. But infatuation and loneliness can be very powerful motivators.

Having recently received some information about Mark I didn't have before, and after reading his trip reports (I had not, I was responding to his slandering me and one other post he made), I now better understand him. Doesn't mean I've change my opinion much but I do better understand where he is coming from. Oscar on the other hand seems a little easier to figure out.

I'll wait until I see the responses to your post before I address it further. I will say its way over generalized.

[MarkInTx]

... in response to The LP contribution: Positive or Negativ..., posted by juio99 on Jun 18, 2002

I don't know if I fully agree with all of it, but it certainly is food for thought.

I guess the thing I wonder about is whether this board is truly a microcosm of society at large...

For instance, if this were truly a microcosm,, 50% of the readership would be women. And, if women were present boorish behavior would be much less tolerated.

I don't mean this just if AW were present... but women as a whole tend to make men act more civilized.

I notice that the women of the board never respond to any of the threads where the men are posturing to show themselves smarter or superior

While competition is a natural male trait, and is not bad in and of itself, when left alone with no check or balance... well.. you see what happens...

The board quickly deteriorates into the latter chapters of "The Lord of the Flies..."

But, you do have some interesting ideas there... And I agree with most of them.

BTW, after being on the board for close to two years now, and reading a lot of good posts from a lot of people (many of whom, sadly, don't post anymore), I am delighted to be in any top ten list. Thank you for the compliment...

[tsmnick]

... in response to The LP contribution: Positive or Negativ..., posted by juio99 on Jun 18, 2002

... are you going to write about your experiences in Turkey resorts with your russian girl friends?
And I mean a detailled report (cities, hotels, flights, resorts, restaurants, prices, how to go, what to do, ...).
I'm thinking about it for the future, it seems a very good idea, and your info can be VERY GOOD.

Travelling inside Europe with a russian girlfriend is getting more and more dificult each day, Egypt, Tunisia and Turkey are quite visa-friendly countries, not too far away for them and I prefer Turkey right now, and perhaps for some time.

You seem to have clearer ideas than many people here, and you wrote "I'll write a report about ...".

PLEASE!

OK, thanks in advance, have a good time,

Nick.

[KenC]

... in response to The LP contribution: Positive or Negativ..., posted by juio99 on Jun 18, 2002

JR,
Thanks for putting things in perspective.  The only additional point I would like to make is that LP knows he lacks diplomacy.  He has openly admitted this short coming on the board more than once.  That alone does not excuse his sometimes hurtfull behavior.  I dislike it when he attacks some of the "good guys" here, but he does bring something here that is often missing: a man's man approach to life in general.  We have often talked about RW wanting a "manly man".  LP is a SOB at times, but he is a man that brings our heads out of the clouds and back to reality at times.
KenC

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Re: The LP contribution: Positive or Neg..., posted by KenC on Jun 18, 2002

Ken,

I get tired of this: "He knows he is an a-hole, so that makes it OK" defense of LP.

Let's play Jeopardy for a moment:

The answer is:

"A person with an antisocial personality... manifested in aggressive ... behavior without empathy or remorse."

And the question?

What is: psychopath

Correct, for $100!

Hmmmm... Antisocial, aggressive behavior WITHOUT REMORSE... Sound like anyone you know, Ken???

(Source for definition: Webster's Dictionary)

[KenC]

... in response to Re: Re: The LP contribution: Positive or..., posted by MarkInTx on Jun 18, 2002

Mark,
Hmmmm... Antisocial, aggressive behavior WITHOUT REMORSE... Sound like anyone you know, Ken???  Yeah, me while married to my first wife!  LOL.  
KenC

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: The LP contribution: Positiv..., posted by KenC on Jun 18, 2002


So then, you're saying is that once LP is getting laid on a regular basis, he may mellow out...?

Here's hoping :-)

[LP]

... in response to Re: Re: The LP contribution: Positive or..., posted by MarkInTx on Jun 18, 2002

.....Look, I'm blunt, even in normal conversations. It logically follows that I become "blunter" when hassled. Look at it as being shifted, or offset, from other people's normal reaction to hassle. I'll use my "normal" bluntness in this post even though you deserve more from your continued insulting of me.

As I said, I prefer to deal with a dispute and forget about it. I won't continue the petty shots. I've ignored your ongoing tirade because I've obviously stung you more than I intended. You're the one who can't let it go. Why can't you simply accept that we're all different. Some people understand (and believe it or not, even like me), while some I rub the wrong way. Thats true of anyone, I'll bet even of you. (In fact, I know it.) If you continue however, I will consider it a new issue to be dealt with. I'd prefer not to do that. I've learned most people of your ilk (romantics and sensitive individuals) do not repsond well to logic but I'll make an attempt anyway.

If I was really the jerk you think I am, I would have published details. As it is I'll still refrain from that, even though they're not anywhere near what you think. Why don't you simply *ask* her about any previous encounters with A/M? You state shes "never lied to you before."  I wish I had the power to know if a person I've known for 20 years, let alone one month, is telling me the truth about anything. (Not sarcasm, logic.)

Not to anger you again, but I have within my grasp the ability to do something that will make you hate me like you've never hated another man before. If I was *one tenth* of the a-hole you think I am, I would have done it already. Since I'm not that petty, give me some credit huh?

I'm a man of mystery?  What part of "I don't believe in that" did you miss? Most people keep personal details of their lives from most of the people they personally know. Why would anyone post them for a bunch of yahoos on the Internet to peruse? Not only posters, but also the strangers who lurk here? There are many PL people, Yoe included, who know quite a bit about me. Even though Yoe has some memory lapses (I told him my business required me to fly into Purdue, not that I thought he lived there.), he knows most of my details. Seems Joe is also man enough to apologise for twisting the facts.

Have you forgotten the email problems that occured here? And if I hadn't seen Vika's foto, would I have have realized what I did? Do you have any idea what could be done with those fotos or howthey could be abused?
Are you even aware of how many sick bastards are involved in MOB?  Want me to show you some examples I've personally seen of how sick these "men" are?

Man of mystery indeed. Have you become so infatuated and puffed up to share your "news" that you've lost sight of these issues? Dont be like your pal Oscar (who is plainly educated beyond his intellect), and try to fathom why some intelligent and respected people here understand me while you do not. The only reason you can come up with is "history"?

Thats pretty closed minded. Maybe you could enlighten me as to exactly what *your* contributions have been? I can accept that mine have value to others, as do your's, even if in my opinion some amount to the emulation of a Harlequin novel. Can't you do the same?

I remind you it was *you* who slanderd me first, I wasn't even targeting you. I also note that trying to be logical with you is somewhat hopeless. I wished you luck, what more do you want from me? Accept this and move on but rest assured, I will not ignore any future shots at me anymore than I ignored the first one. Lastly, I see you do some traveling. I wonder how many times you've unknowingly entrusted your life to this "psycopath".

So just give it a rest. You be you and I'll be me, we don't have to swap spit.