My personal recomendation only !

[Ryan]

... in response to Small-Town Boy RYAN. That Explains the P..., posted by Dan on Jan 14, 2002

Oh here we go again...  No sex was involved and I was not crying for the pity sex.  I was crying (Yes I feel real stupid for doing that and I understand how it was not being a man etc. etc. another lesson learned) because of the miscommunication.  She though that I only wanted sex!  She started crying becuase she liked me and believe me to be a good person but becuase of the misunderstanding (We had no translator just her and I and her mother, mother was away with friends) she thought I wanted sex and she started crying (Becuae of all the stories that American men come to that country to sleep around) and ran into another room etc.  I was also upset because she felt this than I was sort of crying myself thought she might understand that I didn't mean it that way and yes it did work a little but for the most part it was stupid.  (Lesson better to meet the woman that speak english with some understanding)

Yes I went all over the place in Kiev chuches, boat rides, just about as much as you could be in 5 day ok... Is that good?  No not everything give me a break.  

No I am no expert but I have made all the clasic mistakes and know the do's and don't first hand.  Better to get all that out than to go to an agency fall in love with a picture meet the girl a couple time and get her to the states and screw it all up and have he run off etc and lose lots more money and pride etc.  Yes I am learning in my own way and I am just sharing that.  I stick to my guns I do have experience and can and do give sound advice.
Ryan

[BarryM]

... in response to Re: Small-Town Boy RYAN. That Explains t..., posted by Ryan on Jan 14, 2002

When vets who have been traveling to Ukraine and Russia for nearly 10 years tell you that you're full of it, you should get a clue. The only "advice" you seem to be stressing lately is harrassing Jack, who has you pegged rightly as a moron. The only "experience" you have is that of a tourist... and you can't even speak the language.

Since you choose to behave in such a stupid way, other board members are going to hammer on you until you shut up or leave. What is all boils down to with you stupid troll morons is ego. You post to stroke your ego, nothing more.

Take a hike.

-blm

[Stevo]

... in response to You don't know crap, Ryan., posted by BarryM on Jan 14, 2002

ggg

[BarryM]

... in response to Vets w/10 years experience and no luck?!..., posted by Stevo on Jan 14, 2002

You're being facetious Stevo. Perhaps I should qualify my remarks. Vets with 5 - 10 years of business and travel experience in the FSU.

-blm

[Ryan]

... in response to You don't know crap, Ryan., posted by BarryM on Jan 14, 2002

Jack? He makes it all up as he goes along anything that he posts about getting slammed he has brought that upon himself.  Yes he has some good advice no problem but I disagree with his business.  I will not stop posting my views and I will not leave.
Ryan

[ron]

... in response to Re: Small-Town Boy RYAN. That Explains t..., posted by Ryan on Jan 14, 2002

ryan, if no one spoke english, how did you communicate with her and the family for the week?

[Ryan]

... in response to how did you communicate?, posted by ron on Jan 14, 2002

We all knew a little just a little I had training from a local community college and we used a dictionary for other things.  I did have a translator in Lugansk that was a friend of my friends I gave her $5.00 she was way happy...  Her brother also had some training in english as did the girl I met but very little.  It was not easy but for the most part there was really no problem with language thing except for my misunderstanding WOW that sucked it really not a big issue, I think people make more of it than needed.  Just another way for agencies to get money.
Ryan

[ron]

... in response to Follow up..., posted by Ryan on Jan 14, 2002

i wonder ryan, if you had an agency to hold your hand, would you have been scammed for $4000?

[Ryan]

... in response to Re: Follow up..., posted by ron on Jan 14, 2002

$4000 to one woman?  That had gotten a little blown out of proportion.  Yes I sent my friend money and lots of it by their standards. (You know she never asked for it in the beginning it was me that started sending it)  $4000 was total including my trip so about $1500 was for my friend.  Yes I did make that wrong choice but you know she was there for me and we did have some good times.  Yes I did see how her and her family lived and yes I felt good then and today giving it to her and her family.  Only mistake was that I sort of Americanized her or gave her false expectations, it is still the wrong choice I made for many reasons.  That was my lesson learned.  I still say it was the best way to go and could have been done the same if I get her money or not. (Well she would have needed some to get to Kiev)  No she never asked for a dime it was me that gave it because I felt sorry.  That is the true she NEVER asked for money in the beginning.  After we met she did ask for help but never said this much or do this etc.  If you want to know the truth, I still give her money today!  Yes that is right, not as much but I still throw her a few dollars now and then.  I feel good doing it, as I know first hand what it is like.  (Better than lining some agency guys pocket that lies and cheats for it) No one will ever take what I experienced away from me!  Yes I am still looking for other woman and still looking for my one true love as the girl and her family that I give money to is really not my type (real poor and mean poor) and has issues (Sort of moody) but she is still a good person as is her mother, father and brother.  I just don't know how to explain it any different.  It's my big heart...  But I do know for sure that going over there is best before you spend all that money on professional daters and the like.  
Ryan

[BrianN]

... in response to Ok lets get this out..., posted by Ryan on Jan 14, 2002

instead of a human doing.

Right behind you on this.

bt, dt.

[Ryan]

... in response to How Would YOU Know Ryan??  n/t, posted by Dan on Jan 14, 2002

I have been to the Ukraine by myself no Agency help.  I hung out in Kiev with this one girl and seen everything.  I traveled to Luganks and stayed with this family did what they did everyday.  Whole trip was 10 days.  I got a good feel for it all.  When I go back I will do it the same way but go and look at more agency catologs and hit a few more bars.  I did alot of night life stuff in Kiev but in Luganks I stayed in with this family except for some picnics and camp-outs etc.  Yes I do have experience if that is what your talking "DAN" if that is who you are.
Ryan