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Most of the girls shown as typical Medellin women were pictures lifted from Caliescali.com,a Cali web site.One of the girls is also on Walter Mora'site,personalmeetings.com
So those hot chicas? Calenas.

Pete

... in response to Playboy penthouse in Medellin, posted by Pete E on Dec 22, 2004

Although it is possible to find women who look like the typical Calena in Medellin, the typical paisa does not look like a Calena. I noticed this when I was looking at the photos myself. Unbelieveable.

... in response to Playboy penthouse in Medellin, posted by Pete E on Dec 22, 2004

Yes, I too noticed many of those pictures are from Cali's entertainment website.  
But what you didn't realize is that many of those girls are from Medellin and had
gone to Cali for modeling work.  Any Colombian will tell you that most of the models are from Medellin.

Why do so many of you guys on the board spend so much of your energy attacking
and looking for the slightest hints of inconsistency?  Focus on the positive and
what is good, and all the things these countries and women have to offer.

The Playboy Penthouse site clearly said, "Below are some examples of the type of girls you will see".  
And that's exactly what they posted.  Pretty Colombian girls just like what you would see if you came to visit.  
So what's the big deal?  Relax and Enjoy.

... in response to A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous..., posted by Vagabond on Dec 22, 2004

You must moonlight as an excavator.

Been diggin' some bodacious holes since you arrived.

... in response to A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous..., posted by Vagabond on Dec 22, 2004

No offense but you don't have a clue of what you are saying.. almost every model that is posted on this playboy site are calenas not paisas. 95% of the photos are from caliescali website.  I know many of these girl personally. I have photographed many of the girls for my website and I'm friends with the photographer from caliescali.  Does he know you are using his photos for this purpose? If any of these girls knew their photos were being used without permission you would have problems.  I think it's very misleading to put photos of models and lead guys to believe they can meet the same kind of girls in medellin.   While this can happen it's very rare. The right thing to do is go out in medellin and find typical paisas and photograph them instead of posting photos of girls from Cali.  Yes many beautiful models do come from Medellin, this is true.  But as anyone who travels knows, there are beautiful women in every city and town in Colombia.

Pacino...

... in response to Calenas, posted by Pacino on Dec 22, 2004


Hola Pacino,

Could you please mention your web site address either here on the board or send it to me via email.  Thanks.

Pablo

... in response to Calenas, posted by Pacino on Dec 22, 2004

Regardless of weather they are from Cali or Medellin, most of these girls are FINE!  Some of the most beautiful women I have ever seen.

If these are to any extent typical of what I will see in Cali when I finally get down there, I will not LEAVE!  I will ask for political assylum :)

... in response to Re: Calenas, posted by thunderbolt on Dec 23, 2004

Thunderbolt, best of luck in your travels..  

If you want my opinion (and I don't think a single experienced traveler on this board will dissagree) I spent several months in Cali, and didn't see nearly as many women like the pictures on www.playboy-penthouse.com as I did in Medellin.  The numbers and percentages of them in Medellin are much higher.  When I did see girls like that in Cali, they were almost always with drug mafia guys (many left Medellin and went to Cali) or girlfriends of them, in clubs like Eliptica.  So be careful.

... in response to Calenas, posted by Pacino on Dec 22, 2004

Hey Pacino,
I thought that it was helpful that you actually know many of these girls.  I viewed that website, and frankly, I was skeptical.  But, I am still trying to gather as much info on the different cities and agencies as I can. I am planning another trip to Colombia in March (God willing).
So, I guess one of my questions is if you know these girls and you are a professional photographer; then what is your opinion of these girls?  Are they legitimate, professional models, or are they pros in the other sense?  I am currently planning on using Colombian Sweethearts when I travel to Medellin.  It is unfortunate that the squabbles between the two partners has happened.  But, maybe all of this is good in that we get to be made aware of some of the "pitfalls".  I personally plan to avoid as many of those type mistakes as I can.   That is one reason why I am thankful of this board and its members.  We all need a "heads up" on these type issues.
                                 OkieMan

... in response to Re: Calenas, posted by OkieMan on Dec 23, 2004

The girls I know aren't pro's.. Most are models and some are just college girls who would like to be models.  Don't be mislead that you will score with the girls pictured in his playboy website.  These aren't agency girls so they aren't so quick to jump on the first gringo they see.  While I'm sure in some rare cases an American marries the model type it's not the norm. That's why Robert listing the models on his website is so misleading.  Not only aren't they from Medellin but most aren't available. I'm sure he has never met or spoken to one of the girls pictured on his playboy website.  The good news is that Colombia has so many beautiful women that aren't models but are very beautiful.  So finding a beauty in Colombia is much more likely than the USA..   Don't limit yourself to just visiting agencies. There are alot of women to meet in many differents places such as clubs, malls, etc... An agency is a good way for a new guy to get his feet wet but in my experience to truly find some of the jewels of Colombia, one must venture out of the agency.  If you have time, money, the desire to learn spanish, learn salsa, and be part of the culture. You'll be surprised what a rewarding experience it will be.

Pacino..

... in response to Re: Re: Calenas, posted by Pacino on Dec 23, 2004

Why do you guys keep giving out wrong information?

"Not only aren't they from Medellin but most aren't available. I'm sure Robert has never met or spoken to one of the girls pictured on his playboy website."

Why would he have?  Robert runs a marriage agency called CLC.  These are girls he has talked to, are looking for marriage, and are available.  PP is a bed and breakfast in another part of town.  It is NOT and agency, and therefore does NOT introduce girls for marriage.  PP posted some examples of the level of beauty you will see in the city and that's all.  Why would you expect PP or Robert to have talked to the pictures, or have those girls "available" to the guys who visit?  It's just lot logical.

... in response to Re: Re: Calenas, posted by Pacino on Dec 23, 2004

Thanks Pacino for your followup with me.  I agree with what you have said.  My first trip to Colombia was to Cali this past August.  I am hoping to go to Medellin on my next trip.  But, I also have some possibilities in Cali, and a long shot in Bogota.  At any rate, my intention is to use these first trips to "get my feet wet", and take it from there.  We all have to start somewhere; and at present, I do not speak spanish.  However, I am working on that too. To change the subject a little; what is this deal you are talking about setting up your own website?  What will that pertain to? Please message me back. I am trying to learn from more experienced travelers, such as yourself.  

                            OkieMan

... in response to Re: Calenas, posted by OkieMan on Dec 23, 2004

Okie, regarding CLC, it does appear that the consensus has been reached adn 'the facts have been gathered'.  It's up to you, but I would not recommend going there.

... in response to Calenas, posted by Pacino on Dec 22, 2004

I give up.  All I find on this board is negativity.  I guess I should have expected it after reading posts like Steve's.  This will likely be my last post, as it seems most of you are too set in your ways.

If you read my previous post you would have noticed when I pointed out that PP does not say the girls in the photos are Paisas.  They are pictures of the typical beauty you will see any day of the week in Medellin.  There were many nights in Parque Lleras when I saw many girls better looking than the ones PP has on their site.  So I, nor anyone who has spent time in Medellin, should have any quarrels with the examples they used.  Go to the park any night of the week and pick out 5 random girls.  At least one of them will be as good if not better looking than the pictures Playboy Penthouse used as examples, all she needs is a bikini and a professional photographer.

... in response to Re: Calenas, posted by Vagabond on Dec 22, 2004


No need to leave the board Vagabond.  The P-L board is not negative nor are the members set in their ways. How about meeting up with me in Parque Lleras sometime for a cervesa?  The tab is on me.

... in response to Re: Re: Calenas, posted by pablo on Dec 23, 2004

Thanks for the invitation. I'd love to hang out with another board member.  
We'll have to co-ordinate our trips to Medellin.  When's your next trip there?

... in response to Thanks for the invitation, sure, posted by Vagabond on Dec 23, 2004


I'm here now.  When is your next trip?  Say you weren't the pilot that I briefly spoke with a couple weeks ago at Lleras town or the blond haired guy I saw with Robert at Al Roja before that?

You can reach me on my email address listed on my profile.

Pablo

... in response to Re: Calenas, posted by Vagabond on Dec 22, 2004


by men who know the deal...

Buh-Bye!!!

... in response to Re: Calenas, posted by Vagabond on Dec 22, 2004

It's not negativity, it's accuracy. I've shot a lot of those models in my years in Cali for my websites and I too know that the vast majority are from Cali. Xiomara; Cali. Victoria: Cali. Johanna: Cali. Paula: Cali. Viviana: Cali. Etc. etc. You stated,"They are pictures of the typical beauty you will see any day of the week in Medellin." No, you'll see those beauties any day of the week in Cali.
If there are those types of women walking around Medellin, and I don't doubt there are, why not get photos of them and post the Piasas instead of the Calenas?
Like Pacino said, if the creators of CaliesCali and or the women who photos are being used on the site knew their photos were on PP, there would be some problems. That's not specualtion, that's fact.
Once again, this isn't about being negative, it's about clarification. The specific women whose photos are being used on PP are from Cali and NOT from Medellin. I think the creators of the PP website should be upfront about that with thier potential clients and get the 'ol camera out and start taking some examples of the Paisas in Medellin.
I mean, if I was a newbie and I picked out Xiomara's photo and said I want to meet her. What is PP going to say?
"Oh no, she isn't in our agency she is an EXAMPLE of the types of women in Medellin."
The client asks, "Can you ask the photographer to get me a hook up with her?"
"Er well no. Her photo was taken off of CaliesCali and she lives in Cali."
Now I know there are some real Hotties in Medellin. I just think that the site suppose to be representative of Medellin and the women featured on that site should be too.
Just my worthless and too long opinion.

... in response to Re: Re: Calenas, posted by Traveller on Dec 22, 2004

You guys are trying to play both sides of the fence.

First some of you (without evidence) attack PP for providing girls.  Then you say the examples of pretty Colombians is wrong because the guy can't meet that specific girl.  Which is it??

The PP site does not say the pictures are of Paisas, it say's it's the typical beauty you will see in Medellin, and this is absolutely true.  A more accurate example of how the conversation would go is this.. "Man, that picture of so and so is hot, where can I see a girl like that?"  The guy at PP would step out his door, lift up his arm and point "there, there, and there".  I think that's the only point they were trying to make by posting those photos on the site.  Perhaps when they have time, they will take some pictures of Paisas, but personally I think it would be a waist of their time... a pretty girl is a pretty girl.  You can see a girl just like the ones on the site any day of the week in Medellin, what's the use of going out and taking more pictures of girls just like you will see any day of the week in Medellin.  What they've done does the job perfectly.  If someone spent a bunch of time taking tons of pictures of Paisas and put them on the site, you wouldn't be able to tell which ones were from where anyway.  You act as though they put pictures of Japanese girls on there or something.

... in response to You guys are playing both sides of the f..., posted by Vagabond on Dec 23, 2004

[This message has been edited by Traveller]

Your defense of this subject speaks volumes about yourself. The inaccuracy has been pointed out and should be a dead issue, but apparently your ego has been damaged and you find yourself defending an indefensible issue.
It has been established that those particular models are NOT from Medellin and they in fact live in Cali.
Those of us who have been going there or have lived in Colombia for years have pointed out we see and understand your side of it. But, we have also pointed out that if you are a first time visitor to Medellin or Cali or Colombia in general, those photos might be taken the wrong way. It might be percieved that you can meet those particular women in those photos.
You were the one who tried to be sly by stating that "many of those girls are from Medellin and had
gone to Cali for modeling work." Not realizing that there are a few people on this board who know many of those models because we have done work for CaliesCali, or the models worked for us, or we have worked with or know Andres. I know about 80% of those models that PP has featured and I can't say that any of them are from Medellin. I actually have model information bios and release forms signed by those particular models and I am pretty sure every model wrote Cali as Ciudad de Nacimento. Pacino has a few of the ones I don't and I am pretty sure it's the same thing.
As Hoda pointed out, you got caught. Big deal.
Also, if it isn't that a big deal about where those women come from, why has the website text been taken off each photo? Each one of those photos had www.caliescali.com embedded on each photo. Why are the photos edited not to include that text? Could it be argued that the creators of PP wanted people to believe that the women in the photos are indeed from Medellin? Why the deception?
Also, be specific. Who are "you guys"? Who's playing both sides of the fence? Who is "some of you"? I don't remember attacking anyone at PP for providing girls. So far, I have been in my own backyard about the possible confusion about not being able to meet the women in the photos on the PP website. I'm still in my lounger on my side of the fence with a blue drink and an umbrella stating that, "If the site is representative of Medellin, then the women posted on that website should also be representative of Medellin." I haven't even looked over the fence to see what is going on in that yard.
So, which is it? Or who is it that are playing both sides of the fence?
UGH! I hate writing! LOL!
Later Gators,
K

... in response to Re: You guys are playing both sides of t..., posted by Traveller on Dec 23, 2004

You have made some good points and I agree with some of them.  I think you will also understand my responces to the rest.

"It might be percieved that you can meet those particular women in those photos."

You're right, to avoid this possible misperception, they should put in big letters at the top of the page, "some examples of type of girls you will see"... oh wait, they do.
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"You were the one who tried to be sly by stating that "many of those girls are from Medellin and had
gone to Cali for modeling work."

I'm sorry that I was wong about this.  It is what I had been told my many people in Cali and Medellin.
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"if it isn't that a big deal about where those women come from, why has the website text been taken off each photo?"

If the purpose of posting the photos was to illustrate the type of beauty you would see if you visited Medellin, then it makes sence to take off the word cali.  I think the photos serve their purpose perfectly.  You could take any of those photos and show them to anyone in Cali or Medellin, and nobody (unless they knew the girl) would be able to tell you which city they were from.
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"who is it that are playing both sides of the fence?"

This was not in reference to you, but the other posters of this topic.  First they attacked PP for providing girls, then they complained that they could not meet the girls.  So which is it? Do you want them to provide girls or not?  Either way, nothing on their site seems to indicate they do, so questions answered.

... in response to Re: Re: Calenas, posted by Traveller on Dec 22, 2004


My, my, my....you're getting a little PC in your old age my friend (lol).

New K:
"It's not negativity, it's accuracy"

Old K:
"You're lying Pal" or "It's obvious, you don't know these women or what you're talking about"

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!!!

... in response to Your post are never "worthless or t..., posted by Hoda on Dec 23, 2004

Ah, you know, it's Christmas time. Then again, yeah I might be mellowing in my old age. Carrying around a camera these last few years changes you differently than carrying a rifle for over a decade. LOL!
Merry Christmas to you and your family.
K

... in response to Re: Calenas, posted by Vagabond on Dec 22, 2004

I am at your service.

... in response to Calenas, posted by Pacino on Dec 22, 2004

[This message has been edited by Malandro]

no doubt Medellin has pretty babes as does Cali.  this guy seems like he is just pandering to the ignorant gringo that doesn't know the difference.  

why actually take the time to take pics of Medellin girls when you can just cut and paste from caliescali

but if the guy needs a photographer to shoot Medellin girls in bikinis, I am more than willing to lend my services.

... in response to A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous..., posted by Vagabond on Dec 22, 2004

Just pointing out the source of the photos,seemed like from a Cali source they would not be Medellin girls.

pete

... in response to Re: A little bit of knowledge is a dange..., posted by Pete E on Dec 22, 2004

OK, well now you know many are Medellin girls, and more importantly, excellent examples of the type of girls you will see in Medellin.  Regardless of all this agency business, Medellin is truely a city of sweet and beutiful girls.  Perhaps the highest concentration of any city I've been to.  And the year-round perfect weather is unbeatable.

... in response to Playboy penthouse in Medellin, posted by Pete E on Dec 22, 2004


Pete,

I noticed it too that CLC on their FAQ page had photos of Calenas listed as typical Paisas.  I guess it was easier to copy and paste these photos rather than going out on any day and taking pictures of women that are just as gorgeous living here.  Muy perezoso.  Maybe I should offer them my photography services.

... in response to Playboy penthouse in Medellin, posted by Pete E on Dec 22, 2004

Can you tell me any thing about Walter????????/

... in response to Re: Playboy penthouse in Medellin, posted by rj556 on Dec 22, 2004

OK.
Walter is  basically known as a guy who will go anywhere you want with you and if you see a girl you like he will go start talking to her and try to introduce you to her.
But he now has a web site and an agency,personalmeetings.com.Alot of his girls are young and list themselves as models.The girl I mentioned is on page one,blue bikini as I remember.Some guys I have met think he will get you pros but he tells me he does not do that.And those are easily available anyway,there are a number of web sites  I will not list here for fear of breaking the rules.

Pete

... in response to Playboy penthouse in Medellin, posted by Pete E on Dec 22, 2004

I noticed that too (The girl from Walter Mora's site) and I thought I recognized at least one of the others from Caliescali.com but I wasn't sure. Good callout, Pete. This guy Robert need to be Tarred and Feathered. Too many obvious negatives in his business ethics.

... in response to Re: Playboy penthouse in Medellin, posted by soltero on Dec 22, 2004

Well Robert and Playboy Penthouse are not one and the same I don't think.I think its different guys but I'm not sure.
And this picking up model shots from wherever and posting them as someone you might meet here is pretty common.If they werean agency and purporting them to be girls they had then that would deffinetly be dishonest.
Funy when I was at Colombian Sweethearts a girl Kiltboy was interviewing was a girl I saw the night beforestrfipping at astrip club.He told Sterve,Steve went and talked to her right aweay.She said she danced there only and that she had said in her profile she was a dancers.Steve said I will probably bounce her anyway.
Just before I told him Kiltboy was saying there is something different about this girl,I can't really figure her out.When I told him that clicked as why.

Pete

... in response to Re: Re: Playboy penthouse in Medellin, posted by Pete E on Dec 22, 2004

Pete E,

Robert and the Playboy Penthouse are one in the same.  Even "Vagabond" who is feverishly defending Robert and his business well beyond what a normal client would do, admits that they are one in the same.

Yes, I did remove that girl who said she was “just dancing” at that Strip Bar and not "hooking" since all of the girls there also offer their hourly services in the cabañas a joining the bar or will meet you at your hotel.  I thought just the fact that she was going there did not qualify her for my Agency or put a good light on her character, no matter if she said that she only danced, which would impossible to prove or disprove.

I hope that you and everyone else have a great Holidays and that the New Year brings everything you are hoping for!

Best regards,
Steve Valdez, Owner
www.colombiansweethearts.com

... in response to Robert & Playboy Penthouse are the S..., posted by Medellin Agency on Dec 22, 2004

Steve,
I didn't know Robert and Playboy Penthouse were one and the same.
The girl at the strip club,I was waiting for her to come around,I was getting accosted by others not as good looking.She never did come around so I though perhaps she was telling the truth,she just danced.BUT,I think everyone there is for sale,so you were right I think.
It was funny,Kiltboy saying I can't figure out what is up with this Chica.I took another look.My god,its the stripper from last night.He ran right in to tell you and you did talk to her right away.She knew who ratted on her,probably remembered the 10,000 pesos tip I gave her after her dance the night before.She was hot looking.I saw the whole package.

Pete

... in response to Robert & Playboy Penthouse are the S..., posted by Medellin Agency on Dec 22, 2004

As an outside observer to this little fracus, I do not trust anthing coming out of vagabonds mouth.  He appears to be a mouthpiece for someone else. At least thats the impression I get.