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I have to admit there are some interesting post and the sight can be informative.I was bombarded with negativity my first post.I felt that it was my business to give the details that i wanted and that was my business.
It is a small world and many of the agencies look at this sight.So i did not mind that some one would email me personally and i would respond.But when a person post my personal response to him ,is BS.When i gave a call to a poster and he drilled me with questions like a survey and did not give me time to respond and hung up and posted more BS. about me.
Then there was the spelling sheriff,was not even looking at the post, just spelling.
Well i hope that i can start again and get some positive in put and learn and give some advice from my experiences.I can put my past behind me and hope that this can be a good experience.
May be find some Americans that visit Cali and want to hook up with an American or a first timer that needs recommendations,like am American hotel,English speaking taxi driver,ect.. starting over

... in response to starting over, posted by rj556 on Dec 18, 2004

There are some people who visit this site who should remain lurking.  They don’t seem to have a clue on how to post something of substance, instead clogging up the board with gibberish.  Then we have what are called "trolls", posters who purposely post controversial issues with no intent to actually participate in the discussion, just to get a rise out of other people.  I highly suspect you are one of these two.  In your first post here, you accused a woman of being a scammer, without giving any relevant details, and now you claim it is your right to post just the details you feel fit because the others are "your business" and anyone who questions you is just plain mean and a dummy poopy.

Well junior, that isn’t the way things work around here.  If you want to have the respect of the other posters you need to be a person who is forthright with the information of your posts.  You want to accuse a woman of being a scammer?  Fine, but either post a lot of independently verifiable information, or expect to be grilled.  Otherwise you probably just want to keep things to yourself.

As far as the spelling thing, since it was I who was the spelling sheriff, let me make it clear that I did read the content of your post and found it to be incomplete and factually questionable and you didn’t promptly respond to questions.  With that in mind, I took the liberty of doing a little profiling, and decided based on the content of your post and your poor spelling that you must be some white trash idiot who didn’t graduate high school and who expected "thar womin to be submissof" otherwise they must be scammers.

Post intelligently on this board and for the most part people will respond intelligently.  But post poorly and expect to be treated poorly.

... in response to starting over, posted by rj556 on Dec 18, 2004

My first question, why Cali? It's always Cali. Cali is the last place I would go to look for a wife. OK, maybe Akron, Ohio is the last place but Cali is close.

... in response to Re: starting over, posted by utopiacowboy on Dec 18, 2004

Yes......love is where you find it in South America...and I am not telling anyone that they cannot find someone in Cali Colombia but there are some facts here.

1. Cali is "gringo saturated" compared to other cities.

2. The attractive ladies in the agencies are just as picky as you are....if you spend anytime at the agency...they have four or five meetings lined up for a typical Saturday...just like you do...( seen this first hand more then once)

3. Large number of young,immature, uneducated girls....not the best situation to bring here for a wife.

4.Yes....insincere women can be found in every city in South America.....but Cali seems to be Number 1 in this area...always.

5. Men have contributed to the problem by going to Cali and using the marriage agencies for a sex vacation..women who were once sincere about this process are no longer because of being jaded by American men.

If I were to never marry and wanted a playboy life style...I would probably move to Cali.

"Wife material" to bring to the states however...Cali would be the last place I look.

I found my special person in Lima Peru....after spending two years visiting Cali(4 times) as well as Bogota (2 times).....

... in response to agreed...Cali is gringo saturated compar..., posted by Chris F on Dec 18, 2004

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I'm happy for you...that you found your love in Peru. There's no need for you to diss ANY woman, from ANYWHERE! Yes Cali has more horror stories....But Cali, also has the most success stories!!! If you or anyone feels that Cali is "saturated" with Gringos....then you've been running in some very small circles.

... in response to Cali Saturated....Puhleeze!!!, posted by Hoda on Dec 20, 2004

Hoda,

It really appears you jump down anyones throat that is critical of any way of Cali. You claim "there is no need to dis any women"  I posted earlier that insincere women can be found in any city. But in my opinion more horror stories are coming from Cali.

I also never posted that you could not find a women of quality there.Its just in my opinion, more difficult now...but can still be done. You found someone of quality as well as others including Dallassteve.But it is more difficult now then say a few years back.

In my opinion...Cali is more Gringo saturated then other cities...but heck thats just my opinion....I dont live there...and neither do you....however Pete DOES LIVE IN CALI.....and agrees with this.....you have to admit the opinion of someone who is actually living there and sees it first hand on a day by day basis has more creditablity.......dont you think???

Success is where you find it in South America.....but many here agree that Cali has become more difficult....but not impossible...to find success

... in response to Re: Cali Saturated....Puhleeze!!!...to H..., posted by Chris F on Dec 20, 2004

Gringo saturated bight be too strong a term.Yes lots of gringos come here,looking for women,more than any other latin destination.But its acity of over 2 Million,there are probably not more than 20 gringos in town at any one time looking.And there are lots of girls at the agencies ,which is what brings the guys.And lots of girls have learned to be users,but most have not.
Pristine and virgin it is not.But still the best selection of girls,including the best selection of good girls.Just more of them,most are not flaky or users.

Pete

... in response to Re: Cali Saturated....Puhleeze!!!...to H..., posted by Chris F on Dec 20, 2004

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I don't jump down anyone's throat that is critical of Cali. Check the archives, for yourself! But I will take ANYONE to task for dissing women from ANYWHERE!!!! Check the archives, where does Pete say that Cali is saturated w/Gringos? Pete's situation is as different, as any man who goes down there. Pete is his own man, with his own plan. What works for Pete, Me or DS2 won't work for all. No matter how long or how little time is spent in Cali or ANYPLACE for that matter! Yes there are more horror stories coming out of Cali, there are also MORE success stories, coming out of Cali. Some of which you may never see posted here!

Your reference to things changing from a "few years ago" holds little water. With each successful relationship that comes from Cali, the word does get back....That good things can happen! Pete's contributions are priceless to the board. But Pete will also tell you, that his experiences are his & that no one man's experience can dictate what will happen to others!

THINK about it!!

... in response to Cali Saturated....Puhleeze!!!, posted by Hoda on Dec 20, 2004

My question would be when you go to Cali do you ever see another gringo? On my five trips to Medellin with my time there totalling several months, I have never even seen another gringo outside of the airport.

... in response to Re: Cali Saturated....Puhleeze!!!, posted by utopiacowboy on Dec 20, 2004


but it's not like there's soo many, that you can't go anywhere, without seeing or stepping on one! Because, there are many times while I was in Cali, that I didn't see an "obvious" Gringo! BTW...I've visited Colombia 15 times & I've never witnessed this Gringo saturation, that you're posting about. I've mistaken some locals as "Gringos" on a couple of occasions. Don't always believe what you see on the outside! Geez...we're talking about a city/area of over 2 million. If every agency, had it's rooms full...there still wouldn't be a saturation. Unless, you just hang out with gringos & just go to the usual spots....

... in response to Re: Cali Saturated....Puhleeze!!!, posted by utopiacowboy on Dec 20, 2004

And how many years has it been since you've been there cowboy?  It's got tons of them now.

... in response to Medellin is over run with gringos, posted by Heat on Dec 20, 2004

Typical comment. I was there for a couple of weeks in April of this year. Now I just have to rely on reports from Pablo who is living there. BTW, what is your frame of reference on Medellin?

... in response to Medellin is over run with gringos, posted by Heat on Dec 20, 2004


I might see one or two gringos a week, if that.  Far from tons.  The agencies in town aren't all that busy either.

... in response to agreed...Cali is gringo saturated compar..., posted by Chris F on Dec 18, 2004

I still think a guy can find a good person in Cali. The agency venue in Cali is definitly a rat race, but if a guy is careful and chooses wisely, he could probably find a decent woman to marry.

However, I think a guy can increase his chances by looking outside of agencies, which ever city he visits; and attempt to visit other cities.

Also, you mentioned the playboys in the agencies. Well, I think it goes both ways. Allot of the women are not just looking for love, but they're looking for someone to save them from toubles (9 out of 10 times, financial troubles). There are many girls that see no problem with asking for a substantial amount of money and gifts prior to marriage, and even from just casual friendships with gringos. Some are sincerely interested in the guys, others are not. Many of the better looking gals have Colombian boyfriends that gringos never hear about. AND, many of the better looking and younger gals in Cali are frequently approached, and even supported, by Colombian men who live deviant life styles (think about it). Not to mention the games of the crooked agencies.

So, I think there have been both men and women that have suffered unfairly in this game.

... in response to agreed...Cali is gringo saturated compar..., posted by Chris F on Dec 18, 2004

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... in response to Re: agreed...Cali is gringo saturated co..., posted by Craig on Dec 18, 2004

Sometimes when I read these posts I wonder if you visited the same city?  I’ve been going to Cali since 1998. Each time I go it becomes harder to leave. Friday nights at Chipichapi with a dinner at Lenos& Carbonas then a movie. Then maybe dancing. What a great night out! Am I missing something here?

I know a women who owns a store in one of the malls she’s also a translator has her own car. She beyond a doubt is a women who could steal a man’s heart. She’s not interested though in me anyway.

My point what do you guys do when your there? Lock the door in your $25 dollar a night hotel room sulking about the date that no showed you? (By the way for all of you out there who don’t know here’s the skinny. Many times when you are no showed it’s because the secretary in the agency is describing you to your potential date and the date is not interested. I’ve seen it when my friend had an agency. Why? It’s the Colombian way of avoidance, they really don’t want to hurt you feelings. )

Reason why I don’t like Cali

1) None

... in response to What the heck?, posted by Craig on Dec 18, 2004

"Many times when you are no showed it’s because the secretary in the agency is describing you to your potential date and the date is not interested. I’ve seen it when my friend had an agency. Why? It’s the Colombian way of avoidance, they really don’t want to hurt you feelings."

That's hilarious!  

And logical.

We'd probably do the same thing in such a circumstance.

... in response to Re: What the heck?, posted by doombug on Dec 20, 2004


The secretary is actually doing you a favor, in many circumstances by not wasting your time and/or money. One might consider sending a photo & short bio, to the agency of your choice before you get there...

Proxima!!!!

... in response to What the heck?, posted by Craig on Dec 18, 2004

Craig,

I made it very clear that I like Cali....if I was never to marry and stay single for a lifetime...Cali would be my number one place to live!!!

In that situation...I would have tons of beautiful and young women...and when I got tired of their immaturity or they became insincere...its easy to move on!!

But for a wife material to bring to the states....Cali has become more difficult to find someone of quality.

... in response to Re: What the heck?  to Craig...and other..., posted by Chris F on Dec 18, 2004

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... in response to agreed...Cali is gringo saturated compar..., posted by Chris F on Dec 18, 2004

Cali IS gringo saturated compared to other cities,but then it has alot more available women also.The girls in the agencies probably outnumber gringos in town by at least 100 to one at any given time.Its probably still the number one destination for gringos meeting latinas in the world.
Alot of people knock Cali or SPECULTATE  about other places,trying to convince themselves,but as far as numbers of citas,gringos to latina don't think anyplace else is even at 50%.Or 25%.
Now you might think there are more unspoiled places and that would be true.
AND,to compare it with ANY city in the US,My take is that guy has not yet spent enough time pursuing women in US cities.Be it Akron Ohio or Miami.

Pete

... in response to Re: agreed...Cali is gringo saturated co..., posted by Pete E on Dec 18, 2004

Pete, it's not a question of pursuing women. It's a question of suitable wife material. Yes, a guy's going to have a much better time in Cali than he would in Akron but IMHO, he's not going to do any better in getting a good wife. I just don't think as a rule the Calenas make good wives. Others can and will disagree and that's fine. We all have our opinions and that's mine.

... in response to Re: Re: agreed...Cali is gringo saturate..., posted by utopiacowboy on Dec 19, 2004

BUT,can you find one who will have you you would even want in Akron?Thatrs the difference.
And there are lots of Cali girls that are good wife material.There are lots that are not.but lotsthat are.The bad reputation doesn't apply to all,noy even half in my opinion.

Pete

... in response to Re: Re: agreed...Cali is gringo saturate..., posted by utopiacowboy on Dec 19, 2004

What a moronic thing to say.

... in response to Re: Re: agreed...Cali is gringo saturate..., posted by utopiacowboy on Dec 19, 2004

Bullshit!!!

You're crazier, than all out-doors!!! Why diss men who've found the woman of their dreams in Cali? I'll never understand nor will I try to understand guys who say "Women from this city are better than women from that city." It's all a bunch of bullshit! There are GREAT women living in all cities....even in Akron!

... in response to I just don't think as a rule the Calenas..., posted by Hoda on Dec 20, 2004

Actually I heartily agree with you. There are great women living in ALL cities and it is possible to find a wife anywhere. And I am not dissing men who have found the woman of their dreams in Akron or Cali - not for a second. It's just not the place that I would go if that was my goal. I know it's sacrilege to say that on this board where it seems as though no one can think about any possibility beyond the Cali city limits.

... in response to Re: I just don't think as a rule the Cal..., posted by utopiacowboy on Dec 20, 2004


It's just childish to say, that simply because you don't like/appreciate women from a particular city, that they ALL fall under one category! Love is where you find it & where it finds you...don't diss, where you don't!

There are still great Women EVERYWHERE....Period!

... in response to Sacrilege?!!! Don't be silly, posted by Hoda on Dec 20, 2004

Again, I agree with you - there are great women everywhere. I don't really like generalizations because invariably there are many exceptions to the rule. I am certain that there are many exceptions when it comes to the Calenas. I still say that if I was embarking on a search and choosing a particular city to go, Cali would not be on my list.

... in response to Re: Sacrilege?!!! Don't be silly, posted by utopiacowboy on Dec 20, 2004


No problem with Cali, not being on your list! When I started planning my trip(s) down south....I had my own short list of cities/areaa that I wasn't going to visit.

... in response to Re: agreed...Cali is gringo saturated co..., posted by Pete E on Dec 18, 2004

If a rookie stayed at your place and was willing to listen to your advice,how would you get him going in the right direction?
It seems that most of the gringos date the same 50 hotties,how could a guy avoid taking this path?
Don't you think you and Cali-Pro have dated all the good looking agency girls already?

Cabo

... in response to Pete, posted by cabocancun on Dec 18, 2004

"It seems that most of the gringos date the same 50 hotties,how could a guy avoid taking this path?"

I'd suggest carrying a vaginal test kit.  The gringo could request a sample after he's conducted the interview of his prosepective bride.

JUST KIDDING!!

... in response to Pete, posted by cabocancun on Dec 18, 2004

You might be surprised.I don't think Calipro ever goes to agencies.I do,but do not go for the absolute best looking young girls.At my age if I can find a nice looking 30 something who cares about me and is also a good person we might be able to get something good going.
I hesitate to say be realistic because what is realistic in Cali is a whole lot better than what is in the US.Is it realistic for a guy 61,me,who thinks he looks 50,to date 28 year olds?Its worth a try,I will meet them,but In actually prefer them to be 35 or so.
The bigger issue than age can be kids.Many guys who come here just don't want a woman with kids.That rules alot of them out.Most of them I would say.And those that don't have kids usually want them.But many guyscoming through here,40 something,never married,want awoman with no kidsbut want to have kids.That pretty much has them shopping the early 20'sgirls.Thats OK,it can just take time to find one you are compatable with.
BUT,I would have to say the number one mistake guys make is spending their precious time chasing girlswho don't seem very interested in them.If they are interested in you they will let you know.Otherwise its excuses and cancelled dates and kisseson the cheek and the next thing they know they are on a plane home with nada.
Got to run.My 40 year old proffesional ,no kids,doesn't want any  just showed up.And she is hot for me.

Pete

... in response to Re: Pete, posted by Pete E on Dec 18, 2004

Loved your last sentence! You rule, Pete!

... in response to Re: starting over, posted by utopiacowboy on Dec 18, 2004

I can think over about a thousand places I'd be less likely to go to find a wife than Cali.  And they're all in the US.

I know your wife is from Medellin and that seems like the best place in Colombia becasue it hasn't been wrecked by too many gringos (YET!!!)

... in response to Re: starting over, posted by utopiacowboy on Dec 18, 2004


From my viewpoint's it's simple.  Cali has the large amount of agencies and a high percentage of posters at P-L have been there at one time or another.  

No offense to you Heat or to Cali, but I'm with Cowboy, I'd rather go to a place less traveled by Norteamericanos.  He's a little partial to Medellin anyway as you know he met his wife there.  I’m sure there are still lots of fish in Cali but you should see the size and number of the trout here in Medellin.

... in response to Re: starting over, posted by utopiacowboy on Dec 18, 2004

Ok, let's hear your reason Sir.

... in response to Why not Cali?, posted by Heat on Dec 18, 2004

Take a look at the post from El Cantante right below yours. That's pretty much it. I'm not saying it's not a good place to meet hot young chicas - it is. The poster seems to be a guy who is looking for a wife and to me, Cali is not a place I would go for that purpose. Sure there are many exceptions to the rule but it's still possible to find a good wife in many US cities too. These just are not places where I would look.

... in response to Re: starting over, posted by utopiacowboy on Dec 18, 2004

Cali is probably the last place in Colombia, in my opinion, to look for a wife, but the best place to have fun with the girls.

... in response to Re: Re: starting over, posted by el Cantante on Dec 18, 2004

n/t

... in response to starting over, posted by rj556 on Dec 18, 2004

I live in Cali.You can mail me at peiguren@aol.com
This can be a minefield of possible errors for a new guy who is smitten with the charm of these ladies.You need to go slow,keep your head and understand if you get used you participated in it,at least from the standpoint of being niave.And usually ignoring alot of red flags.And there are lots of ladies willing to give you your next lesson.There are good sincere ones too but even those you need to know how to proceed with.
Reminds me of a guy pitching I saw an investment seminar."You think education is expensive? Try ignorance."

Good luck

Pete

... in response to Re: starting over, posted by Pete E on Dec 18, 2004

"You think education is expensive? Try ignorance."

Now THAT is a powerful and very relative little quote.

I've got a reason to finally buy a PDA:  To quickly jot down and save snippets such as those when they arise.

... in response to Re: starting over, posted by Pete E on Dec 18, 2004

Pete you posted:

"And usually ignoring alot of red flags.And there are lots of ladies willing to give you your next lesson."

"There are good sincere ones too but even those you need to know how to proceed with."

I agree with you Pete. Many ladies willing to take advantage of you.......who needs that??????????