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It was interesting to hear Steve's version of the story regarding the history of his and Robert's former partnership.  Robert may eventually come on this site to give his side as well, but it’s probably not likely as I always see him so busy giving personalized service to his clients, he would not have the time, as you do, to throw mud on what otherwise would be a very useful marriage agency discussion forum.  Robert is an upstanding and very honest guy who works very hard to make sure the guys visiting Medellin have a great experience.

I think it would be in the best interest of all board members if a few observations were made by some one who actually used the agency Steve (the competitor) is so quick to push into the dirt.  I’ve met many of the girls from www.colombianloveconnection.com   Some of them were also available on the CSH website while others were new and exclusive to CLC.  All the girls I met through CLC were very nice and sweet, and Roberts service was EXCEPTIONAL.  I talked with many of the other guys using CLC as well, and all were very happy with the girls and service they were getting.  Some of them said they had tried CSH before coming to CLC, and made the switch because of bad experiences at Colombian SweetHearts.

I do not understand why Steve and his friends on the board are making accusations of prostitution (other than to slander the competition).  There is no mention at all of such things on CLC's website, nor was there even the slightest indication of it while I was there.  The CLC site recommends a place to stay as an alternative to the hotels (www.playboy-penthouse.com) but not even that site offers prostitution.  Because it was a better alternative to a hotel, many guys including myself stayed at the Penthouse.  I did not see any prostitutes there, nor was it offered to me.

I look at it this way... When I go to a foreign country to meet a potential wife, the history of various business owners has little to no relevance to my needs and objectives.  I look for attractive, friendly, honest girls and an agency staff that will do everything they can to make sure I have a productive and enjoyable vacation, while getting to know the women I’m interested in.  From my experience and discussion with other guys in Medellin, CLC wins this hands-down.  But just as I do not swallow what Steve says as gospel, I do not expect you take my experiences and observations as stan-clad either.  What I DO suggest, is go to the agencies yourself.  Talk to the owners and staff and form your own opinion.  I think you’ll be very surprised by what you find.

... in response to First-Hand Experience ColombianLoveConne..., posted by Vagabond on Dec 19, 2004

Just as a matter of disclosure, I think forum members should be aware that Vagabond signed up for the account here using a playboy-penthouse.com email address.  So he's in some way connected to the site.  I don't think he mentioned that anywhere in his posts.  If he did, I must have missed it.

... in response to Disclosure, posted by Patrick on Dec 20, 2004

Yes, that's true.  I could not sign up with my hotmail address because
registration does not work with web based accounts.  So I asked the guy
at plaboy-penthouse.com to let me use one of their addresses so I would
be able to reply to the post that attacked them.

I think more guys like me would have posted a responce to the slander as
well, but most of us have addresses like hotmail, aol, and yahoo, so
it's a bit of a road block.

... in response to Yes, that's true, posted by Vagabond on Dec 20, 2004

AOL isn't a problem.  It's only the free web-based email addresses like Yahoo and Hotmail where people can assume multiple identities per day that are not allowed for signing up here.

When it comes down to a choice between two people, one of whom posts his true name, and another who doesn't list a name, but who signs up under the domain name of the person who has been the subject of complaint,  I'll choose the guy who signed up and identified himself.  I think you're a piece of shit.

... in response to Bullshit stinks, posted by Patrick on Dec 20, 2004

Holy Crap, Batman! I fell out of my chair! That freakin' cracked me up.
A duck indeed.
Thanks for the humorous Christmas present, Patrick.
Ack!
Merry Christmas to all my little Colombian Elf, and Troll, travellers.
And to all, a good night.
Where'd I put that Thunderbird.............

... in response to Bullshit stinks, posted by Patrick on Dec 20, 2004

I know people who have been banned for less.

... in response to Bullshit stinks, posted by Patrick on Dec 20, 2004

I respect that you have your own opinion, but you have unfortunately let some of the facts bring you to the wrong conclusion.  I also think that's a very strong statement considering you don't know me or whether your theory is correct.

I think most of the other board members will find it obvious why I signed up under an address of the accused.  If my personal email is web-based, and I needed a domain-based email in order to reply to what I was reading, who else do you think I would ask to use a domain email?  

I imagine the owners have not yet replied because they are too busy running the agencys.  I wish they would come on soon, because I'm getting tired of unjustly receiving insults from some of you.  I'm a guy just like the rest of you.  Is it my fault that I had a good experience at an agency that a competing owner attacked?   I'm the good guy here, with positive posts.  Have us Americans been so desensitized by all the negativities in the news media that we don't even stop to consider the source of outrageously negative posts such as Steve's?

Unless/Until Robert comes on the board, I don’t think there’s much more to say on the subject.  Some people like one agency, some people like the other.  Some people believe one owner, some believe the other.  For those new to Medellin, check out both to see which you like better.  As in other types of business, it’s us the customers who, in numbers, ultimately decide which agency comes out on top.

... in response to Thanks for your opinion, posted by Vagabond on Dec 21, 2004

"I think most of the other board members will find it obvious why I signed up under an address of the accused."

What you're hinting at is that this board must discover whether you are a Kato Kalin or an O.J. Simpson.  You insinuate that you are Kato, but I think most people know that you are The Juice!  Same address, but the gloves fit you better.

These are fun games, Rob.

... in response to Bullshit stinks, posted by Patrick on Dec 20, 2004


Patrick has opened up a can of "WHUP-ASS" on somebody!!!!

... in response to Whoa Daaayyyyum!!!!, posted by Hoda on Dec 21, 2004

Now dat you da moderator, Patrick doesn't have to toe the line and can speak his mind...

Alas, yet another chapter of "As the Worm Turns"... LOL...

... in response to Yes, that's true, posted by Vagabond on Dec 20, 2004

So, then you are Robert.

Let's play Hide n' Seek next.

This if fun.

... in response to Re: Yes, that's true, posted by doombug on Dec 20, 2004

I can guarantee you I AM NOT Robert.

... in response to First-Hand Experience ColombianLoveConne..., posted by Vagabond on Dec 19, 2004

You are on your own in this thing.  ALL the girls are suspect in ALL the agencies.

... in response to First-Hand Experience ColombianLoveConne..., posted by Vagabond on Dec 19, 2004

this from the penthouse site    *Note: We do not directly provide girls for the purpose of sex, it is readily available in various parts of Medellin, and we know all the places.

Is there any question

... in response to First-Hand Experience ColombianLoveConne..., posted by Vagabond on Dec 19, 2004

There is obviously some connection with you and the agency you so vigorously defend. I think you shortchange many on the list by coming up with the 'I felt compelled to set the record straight' line. We can see right through you. Just concentrate on finding the lady of your dreams and leave the agency squabbles to the agency owners. You have posted some of the best double speak or circumlocution that I have seen yet on the board. Calm down, step away from the mouse, have a brew, take a deep breath. Feel better? Ok,then! Share some of your dating experiences with the board or your perspective on MDE.

... in response to Re: First-Hand Experience ColombianLoveC..., posted by slojas1 on Dec 20, 2004

You're right, I may have gotten a little too worked up when comming to CLC's defence.  
Perhaps it's better for the owners to handle describing the structure and services of
their agencies.  All I can say is I had a good experience at CLC and met many other
guys who did as well.  Beyond that, I leave to the discussion to others.

If you visit Medellin, which I truely recommend because it's a great city with amazing
weather and women, I would suggest visiting all the agencies then pick the one you like best.

The women of Medellin are different than other cities in Colombia, both in looks and
personality.  In general, they are a little taller, lighter skined, thinner,
prettier faces, more reserved, and less acustomed to foriegners, as there are not nearly
as many here as cities like Cali, Cartagena, Bogota, etc.

... in response to slojas1, you're right, posted by Vagabond on Dec 20, 2004

Well, I won't need to visit Medellin as I have a beautiful wife from San Andres. Thanks for the thought though. If you stick to the business of sharing information you will do just fine on this forum. The email from the agency will make everything you discuss suspect, but good info is a positive regardless of the source. Happy holidays.

... in response to Re: slojas1, you're right, posted by slojas1 on Dec 20, 2004

San Andres is SO nice.  
There are more people there with dark skin and blue eyes.  
The beaches are great and the water so clear.

... in response to First-Hand Experience ColombianLoveConne..., posted by Vagabond on Dec 19, 2004

Hmmm.  Directly from the www.playboy-penthouse.com/services.shtml page:

Naughty Night: 4 hour tour of the city's best night time adult hot spots.  We will provide an informative list of what Medellin has to offer and let you select which ones you would like to visit.  An informative bi-lingual guide will drive you around and assist you with getting the best deal on all transactions so you can focus on enjoying your experience.

Now what do you think adult means in this context?  Do you think this is adult as to opposed as kiddie?  Do you think the paragraph said adult hot spots because he was afraid if he didn't clarify adult you might think he meant family hot spots?  Or if he mean adult as in night clubs, why would you need to make the best deal on a transaction?  Really think a night club will lower its cover fee just because you have an bi-lingual guide?  Or do you think adult might just mean escort services, etc.?

And if you have any doubts about them being related, look at this straight off the uwhois.com page:  Notice the domain servers are the same.

1. Registrant:
  Rick S.

  Registered through: Cheap-DomainRegistration.com
  Domain Name: PLAYBOY-PENTHOUSE.COM

  Domain servers in listed order:
     NS4.COLOMBIANLOVECONNECTION.COM
     NS3.COLOMBIANLOVECONNECTION.COM

2. Registrant:
  ALB International
  123 Street
  No Snail Mail Allowed
  Chicago, IL 60647
  US

  Registrar: DOTSTER
  Domain Name: COLOMBIANLOVECONNECTION.COM
     Created on: 11-APR-03
     Expires on: 11-APR-05
     Last Updated on: 17-MAY-04

  Administrative, Technical Contact:
     International, ALB  medellinbob@hotmail.com
     123 Street
     No Snail Mail Allowed
     Chicago, IL  60647
     US
     312-546-4301

  Domain servers in listed order:
     NS4.COLOMBIANLOVECONNECTION.COM
     NS3.COLOMBIANLOVECONNECTION.COM

... in response to Re: First-Hand Experience ColombianLoveC..., posted by lswote on Dec 19, 2004

Since when is showing a guy where a night club is considered prostitution??
Last time I checked having sex for money is prostitution.  
And the guy running the club where prostitution is taking place is pimping.
But the guide at Playboy Penthouse is not doing either of these, or getting any money from it.

We all know there is another side to single male travel than just looking for a wife.  
I think it’s good that things related to this other side are a separate business
on a separate site.  
Just because they share the same web server doesn’t mean one is related to or effecting the other.

We should be more careful about throwing around such strong accusations as prostitution.

... in response to Let’s take a clearer look at this…., posted by Vagabond on Dec 19, 2004

Lswote, Valuedcustomer, and Wizard....

Please guys, lets be a little more willing to see this from other perspecitives.
Let me try to answer each of your questions...

Lswote,

What I’m saying is if a competing agency’s owner (specifically one who
has had a break-up with the owner of the agency currently being
discussed) says its bullshit, then you should take that with a big grain
of salt.  Any reasonable person like your self would agree with that.  
A better measure of an agency would be to talk to the guys who have
used its services.  

You asked who I am, I'm a guy looking for a latin wife who has used
Robert’s services and like others have been very happy with his agency.
 When I read what his ex-partner tried to say about CLC, I got very
offended and felt compelled to come to Robert’s defence.

Valuedcustomer,

I agree with what you said.  A prostitute is the LAST thing you want if
you’re looking for a wife.  I know Robert works very hard to make sure
all the women in the agency are upstanding girls serious about finding
a husband.  If he even hears a hint of her being a working girl, he
would pull her out of the agency that same day.  I’m not clear on what
you said, are you saying we should steer clear of Steve’s Sweethearts
agency because he is a gringo and doesn’t know the good girls from the bad?

Wizard,

I liked the duck metaphor, it added some nice light humor to the discussion.

Please tell me more about what you mean when you say I shouldn’t profess
his innocence?  I guess you’re right, before we can profess his
innocence or guilt we should first clearly define what the
accusations are.

From what I gather so far, the Accusations Include:

1.   Robert stealing the girls profiles and photos during the
breakup with Steve when they were running an agency together.  
Each side has their own version of the story here, and we’ll probably
never really know where in between the truth lies.  In reality, how
much does this really effect someone using either of the agencies today.
 VERDICT = jury out

2.   Robert running prostitution in the agency.  No hint of this is
made on the agencies website, and numerous people who have used his
agency have stated that is was not offered.  
VERDICT = innocent.

3.   Another business is using the same web server as CLC, and this business
offers many services to people visiting Medellin, including
translators, city tours, bed and breakfast, airport pickup, etc.
 VERDICT = true

4.   Robert, like any guy having lived in one place for a long time,
knows all about the city, including where Colombian guys go for adult
entertainment, massages, etc.  Being the helpful guy he is, he often shows
guys around who are interested in this side of the city, while at the same time
never letting it interfere with the operation good standing of the agency.  
VERDICT = true

... in response to Lswote, Valuedcustomer, and Wizard...., posted by Vagabond on Dec 20, 2004

[This message has been edited by pablo]

Quote:
A better measure of an agency would be to talk to the guys who have used its services.

Where are all the guys that have used his services then?  As I recall Vagabond, you are the only poster who has used this agency.  Your first post here and you come out with a glowing testimony for them.  That along with Patrick's disclosure post doesn't give you much credibility.

Quote:
1. Robert stealing the girls profiles and photos during the breakup with Steve when they were running an agency together. In reality, how much does this really effect someone using either of the agencies today.
VERDICT = jury out

The jury isn't out.  The evidence is pretty incriminating.  It's obvious that Robert used CSH photos.  It amazes me that he did not call all of the girls back in and do a retake on the photos.  Most of the photos on CLC are photos that were taken at CSH.  How long has CLC been in business and yet still can't use their own photos?  I think most men searching for a wife in SA do care whether or not the agency is an honest one.

Many posters have used CSH and give it a thumbs up.  Frankly, I believe Steve in this situation.  You might want to contact Robert though and see if he would like to comment.  I'm sure Patrick will allow him to join.

It's beyond me that anyone would use CLC as a marriage agency with less than thirty women signed up.  I know a couple of the ladies on his site.  I might contact them and ask if they really are associated with CLC and get back with the board.

... in response to Re: Lswote, Valuedcustomer, and Wizard....., posted by pablo on Dec 20, 2004

You brought into light that 4 or 5 of the thread's posters have not used CLC, while only one of the posters has.  I'd say that's a very high percentage when 17% of a group of guys in the USA has used a specific agency in a particular foriegn country.  

I understand the reason people cant sign up for the board with web emails, but I think we would see many more people posting if is was possible, becuse not many people would go through what I did to get access to a non-web email in order to post.

You could also look at it this way, 100% of the posts in this thread by actual clients are positive posts for CLC.  Unless I missed one, there are no positive posts for the CSH agency.

But as I said before, I agree with slojas1, this thread would be best left to the owners of the respective agancies, as they know far more than any of us.  I'll call Robert to see if he wants to come on the board to comment and give more clearity.

For example, you say Robert is quilty of stealing based on the fact he has some of the same profiles as Steve.  But we don't know what the actual arangment of the splitup was.  Maybe they agreed to share the profiles they accumilated while they were together, maybe Steve stole them from Robert.  Only Steve and Robert will truely know the answers to these questions.  That's why I said the jury is out, because what anybody else says is purely speculation.

... in response to Pablo...., posted by Vagabond on Dec 20, 2004

First of all, Vagabond, just b/c your server is this infamous now p-p.com, you do realize that everything you say in defence of CLC will be taken with a grain of salt.

Secondly, regarding accounts.  I used my office e-mail, and most guys out there unless they work as sackers at a grocery store have one, so this issue is moot.  (No offence to sackers - I used to be one for awhile and met a couple of friends at that job.)

Third, I don't know statistics on this particular thread, but most guys who had experience with CSH seem to be ready to put their lives on the line to defend it.

Fourth, even though I don't think that the content posted on p-p.com directly implicates Robert in running prostitution, it implicates him in direct assistance to this activity.  If that was not the focus of his activity, he would have called his domain something different.  

I am NOT the moralizing type of person, to each his own, but it does cast bad light on Robert's ethics.  How bad a light really depends on judgement and values of individuals who use his services, but I do think that those that want to use the 'marriage agency' branch should be aware of the full scope of his operation.  And since to the best of my knowledge this is not done, it is highly unethical.

... in response to regarding agencies, posted by thunderbolt on Dec 20, 2004

Thunderbolt,

Yes, I realize my statements will be taken with a grain of salt because I’m registered using a p-p.com email, but I’ll have to accept that, as they were the ones I turned to for assistance to get on here.  It didn’t sound to me that Steve’s statements were taken with a grain of salt.  He’s not only registered with a CSH domain, he’s the owner as well. Pass the salt please.

Regarding your second point, are you saying the opinions myself and others don’t have validity because we don’t work in an office that provides an email account?  There are a number of people in this situation, and I'm one of them.

You make the bizarre statement that the domain name implicates him in direct assistance to prostitution.  In the far stretches of my imagination I do not see such a connection.  A penthouse is a nice apartment on the top floor of a building, and that’s exactly what the place on the website is.  Playboy means a lifestyle of a single man who enjoys parties and the finer things in life, and that’s the experience they offer.   Even if you confused the name with the magazines, those are just photos and articles.  I don’t read them much, but I’ve never seen a centerfold with her prices and phone number at the bottom.  We need to be a little more thoughtful before making such damaging accusations.

... in response to Thunderbolt, please consider..., posted by Vagabond on Dec 21, 2004

There are several long-term members of this board who have supported Steve.  These individuals have established their credibility, and if they say that Steve's word is gold, then it is.

Regarding the playboy-penthouse issue.  I have written an explanation of my position; however, it is so obvious that there's just no point.  I am not a moralizer, and if there are individuals willing to enjoy services of the p-p branch of your business that's their choice; however, there should be a disclosure on the CLC site.

BTW, the girl of the month is really really impressive ;)  One of the professinal ladies from the p-p side?  j/k

... in response to Pablo...., posted by Vagabond on Dec 20, 2004


You misunderstood me a little.  The posters that I was referring to were former clients of CSH.  Most, if not all of these trip reports (there are many) about CSH were very favorable.  If you do an archive search you will find them easily enough.  You are the only one that has posted who has used CLC and even then you say very little about them as an agency.  

It would make an interesting thread if Robert decides to defend himself and I'd be interested in hearing his side. However, based on the available information thus far and meeting both men I believe what Steve has said. If I was deciding on an agency to use between these two agencies, it’s an easy choice.

... in response to Re: Pablo...., posted by pablo on Dec 20, 2004

Pablo, that seems fair enough to me.  
Everyone should choose the agency they think is best.  
I think a lot of guys often try a couple different agencies in the same trip to see which they like better.

... in response to Fair enough..., posted by Vagabond on Dec 20, 2004

[This message has been edited by pablo]

Not to kick a dead horse but I do have a few questions for you Vagabond.

I get the impression that you have not used CSH, rather you chose CLC as an agency.  Why would you choose an agency with less than 30* available women when CSH has over 1000 listed in their profiles, is more expensive and doesn't have a track record?

I noticed that you did not respond to Steve's (Medellin Agency) post where he quotes a guy named Ricker at WSG.  I went to that site and did a little more reading and it seems that the many of the things mentioned about "Medellin Bob" or Robert are confirmed there.  Why did you not reply to Steve's comments?  

Why do you feel it necessary to defend Robert after reading Steve's "attacks/slander" after being a new customer to CLC?  The more logical position would be to hear both sides (I'm assuming Robert discussed some of this with you), weigh the evidence and then make a logical and intelligent decision as to who is telling the truth.  Have you ever met and spoken with Steve?

I don't have a problem believing that your experience may have been good with CLC but it's pretty obvious that Robert provides a dual service.  Based on the fact that he spends little time recruiting new ladies into his agency, not retaking the many CSH photos on his site, the cross links to P-P.com and what is mentioned at that site, it seems clear to me where most of his energy and interest is.

If Robert wants to be viewed as a credible marriage agency he should post an explanation and defense against what Steve has mentioned.  Somehow I doubt if he will join but would rather have customers of his post a defense or reference about how great and legit his services are.  Sorry, but I just don't buy it.  From my viewpoint Medellin Bob wants to play both sides of the coin, something that will only hurt CLC.

* In all fairness, a friend just pointed out to me that CLC has more than 30 available women.  For some reason I was only able to access two pages of profiles.  Manually changing the url address though reveals there are a total of nine pages of profiles (most of the photos taken at CSH).

Enough said.

... in response to Re: Fair enough..., posted by pablo on Dec 21, 2004


Papi and Pablo,

In response to your questions…

Q:  I get the impression that you have not used CSH, rather you chose CLC as an agency.

A: I checked both agencies and I’ve personally met both owners.  Based on my research I chose CLC, who by the way has WAY more than 30 available women.

Q: I noticed that you did not respond to Steve's post where he quotes a guy named Ricker at WSG.

A: I’m not a member of WSG, so I havn’t gone there to read more of those types of posts.  But I’m sure they do exist.  Like I said before, like any guy having lived in a city for a long period of time, he must know all types of things available there.  If he chooses to show friends around to these types of places in his personal time, I have nothing against that.

Q:  Why do you feel it necessary to defend Robert after reading Steve's "attacks/slander" after being a new customer to CLC?

A:  Didn’t you answer your own question?  I’ve had good experiences with CLC, and while there I didn’t see any evidence of what was being accused.  This is why I felt like posting something to their defense.

You made the statement that Robert is more expensive, but that’s not what I found when I was researching the two agencies.  To meet one girl at Steve’s agency, it costs $200 (12 girl minimum, and $20 each after that).  To meet one girl at Robert’s agency it’s only $15.  CLC is cheaper no matter how many girls you date, 1 or 1000.

You also say Robert has fewer girls on his site than Steve.  I think this is a good thing.  Quality is far better than quantity.  If Robert wanted to make a bunch of money selling contact information, he’d throw any girl he could on the site, instead of just the ones serious about meeting a husband.

You seemed to insinuate that I denied  www.playboy-penthouse.com provided monger assistance.  I never made such a claim.  What I did deny, is that they ran prostitution, as there is absolutely no indication that they do.  And equally so, there is no reason to think the marriage agency they link to does either.  I found it very outrageous and low class for a competing agency to make such a claim, and as a consequence, I can not believe any other statements Steve makes.

... in response to Re: Fair enough..., posted by pablo on Dec 21, 2004


Pablo, as you know I have visited CSH and gave them high marks. I don’t know what to make of Robert

1. There are little or no testimonials per se
2. You say he’s more expensive?? What does Robert charge??
3. Robert has far fewer girls on his site than Steve
4. It is obvious monger assistance is provided which in itself does not bother me but to deny it is ridiculous
5. Steve has made accusations here on PL that are hard to believe he fabricated

I don’t think it would be a bad thing to have other viable agency options in MDE, but in my opinion it would be difficult to trust the other option at this point

... in response to Re: Re: Fair enough..., posted by papi on Dec 21, 2004


Hi Papi,

Here are my thoughts on your points.

1. The testimonials as CLC are a joke.  I much prefer more detailed comments AND contact information like what CSH has.
2. You will have to look at P-P.com for pricing information.  As an example look at the "bargain" you get for an airport pickup at US$25.
3. Correct, but since many of the photos at CLC have never been retaken, I'm assuming that those ladies are not available.  
4. I think the only one denying it is Vagabond.  To everyone else it seems obvious.
5. Agreed.

There are other agency options besides CLC and CSH in Medellin.  Don't forget about Latincontacts and Latindreamdates although the latter site is still down.  Both these other agencies are small however.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Fair enough..., posted by pablo on Dec 21, 2004

ok, by the way, i leave for MDE on 1/7

... in response to Lswote, Valuedcustomer, and Wizard...., posted by Vagabond on Dec 20, 2004

The sincere men here should really know what they are up against.  You are the only ones I am speaking too.  Finding a good wife in a Colombian agency is like looking for a needle in a haystack.  You can find her, but you have your work cut out for you.  You can not trust any agency...  not even the ones everyone “agrees” are good... they are all in business to make money and will provide whatever the customers wants... even if the customer has nasty habits.  Don’t for a second believe that they are concerned about you getting a good wife .. so even if the agency owner is Colombian ... you can’t trust him for advice.. you will have to find that from a neutral source.  If you honestly believe that the same person can run a dual puta/wife agency and not have one effect the other... you should really stay home and learn more ... you are not yet ready to do this and survive.

       

... in response to Lswote, Valuedcustomer, and Wizard...., posted by Vagabond on Dec 20, 2004

"...he often shows guys around who are interested in this side [the seedy side] of the city, while at the same time never letting it interfere with the operation good standing of the agency."

Though, I'd bet it's EXTREMELY tempting for some agency operators to ask a few of those street/bar girls (especially the curvy n' cute ones) they encounter along the way to come down to the office to set up a profile.

Here, I think the sports analogy is 'scouting.'

Surely, some agencies have a little more incentive to be a less ethical when operating in a foreign country noted for corruption.  

When in Rome...

... in response to Let’s take a clearer look at this…., posted by Vagabond on Dec 19, 2004

[This message has been edited by wizard]

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's probably a duck... Unless of course it's an egg laying mammal which would make it a Platypus...

Same Name Servers, same Registrant Address, referrals from Agency, Adult Entertainment guidance... Not to mention the hot photos of the "friendly" girls you can meet "on the street"... The inference is that you can get whatever you want for the right $$$... Hmmm... Yep, it's a duck...

I'm no shrew and you really can't blame a guy for trying to make a buck on both sides of the coin, but don't come here and profess his innocence when he is obviously busted...

quack, quack...

... in response to Let’s take a clearer look at this…., posted by Vagabond on Dec 19, 2004

”Just because they share the same web server doesn’t mean one is related to or effecting the other.”

O, boy…. this is like kind of being pregnant.  

Guys who go to Latin America and think they can mix mongering with looking for a wife are idiots.  A prostitute only wants one thing … money…. and she will give you more excuses and lies than you thought possible.  This is going to be devastating to your wealth when she drags you through the pro-female american divorce courts … as well as crippling yourself emotionally … destroying your self-confidence … and losing your last opportunity to get a wife because after you recover now you are just too damn old.  By the way, if you really want to know who the good chicas are and who the bad chicas are … you have to ask a Latin American man … they know… gringos don’t have a clue.  

Run from this agency… don’t walk.

... in response to Let’s take a clearer look at this…., posted by Vagabond on Dec 19, 2004

So you are saying:  If it looks like bullshit and smells like bullshit but you tell me isn't bullshit, I should believe it isn't bullshit?  And exactly who are you anyway?

... in response to Re: Let’s take a clearer look at this…., posted by lswote on Dec 19, 2004


OMG....Good one!

... in response to First-Hand Experience ColombianLoveConne..., posted by Vagabond on Dec 19, 2004

Vagabond,

I do not know who you are, how long you have been posting on Planet Love, or your relationship to Robert, but your write-up is so FULL OF FALSITIES that I will expose just a few to show your dishonest statements.

FALSITY

YOUR STATEMENT:  "Robert is an upstanding and very honest guy."  

Robert physically stole all the files and computer tower from my office after I bought out him out and admitted to this theft in front of four employees.  The fact that the Colombian Police came to my house and office (documented) along with the Testimonies of the 4 employees that were working there (documented), put no doubt to the fact that he stole the information.

ANOTHER FALSITY

YOUR STATEMENT:  "Robert may eventually come on this site to give his side as well, but it’s probably not likely as I always see him so busy giving personalized service to his clients"  

Please invite Robert to come on this site to defend himself and sue me for slander at anytime and also provide written admittance that he is running an illegal business in Medellin without a Business Visa which he cannot obtain.  You obviously are speaking for Robert and the evidecne against him is overwhelming so please invite him onto thsi site and I will provide more documentation.

I also talked to Robert a week ago to tell him to stop calling the girls in my Agency (documented by numerous girls and my staff) and saying he was "Colombian Sweethearts" so that he could try and trick these girls into coming to his agency, he first told me "I wasn't aware my secretary was doing this" and then later said "I am just helping out, I'm not running this business."

Thank you very much for giving more evidence that he is the head of this business.

ANOTHER FALSITY

Here are a few excerpts from http://www.wsgforum.com/ which can be viewed by anyone, clearing showing what "services" Robert is providing:

EXCERPT

Hey Aussie,

"As a matter of fact, I just got back from Medallion and Robert and I went out a few times and he told me you were a good guy.
I'll get you his email ... got it somewhere ... just got to find it.
Too bad about his fallout with the other guy but he's starting up his own service ... more of a dating service where the girls are paid a little for their service and all is included. He should have a web site soon for the new service.

As you know, he knows a lot of chicas in town and his service should be fun.

I've got a few friends who want to visit Colombia and we'll use Robert when in Medallion.
He is fun to chase the chicas with isn't he?
Email for Robert coming soon."

EXCERPT

RICKER

"I forget to add. Robert, my friend here, has a new service ... it´s both escort and/or friendship agency ... whatever you like ... he has both types.

Check out colombianloveconnection.com has everything you need to know.

For those of you thinking about visiting Medellion ... Robert is absolutely the best contact (in my opinion) to have here.

Cool guy ... loves to play and party and knows a boat load of beautiful chicas."

once again ... Suerte!

These are just two and there are many more as well as first hand testimony.   But tell,  Robert not to be alarmed as these all have already been documented and the source of these emails are traceable.

FALSITY

YOUR STATEMENT:  "I do not understand why Steve and his friends on the board are making accusations of prostitution "

The Playboy Penthouse formerly had on its site:

"Night with a Professional in the US:  $300
"Night with a Playboy Model: $40"

All of these references to prostitution were removed since it was leaked out that I knew about this, but copies were taken a long time ok from the site and they have already been viewed by various entities.

Vagabond, I believe in the importance of this forum and the right of free speech, but I would advise you from a legal standpoint to not get involved in this. And, if you continue to maliciously and dishonestly slander my Agency or my Services you will be hearing from my lawyer.

Steve Valdez, Owner
www.colombiansweethearts.com

... in response to Evidence Vagabond is Providing False Inf..., posted by Medellin Agency on Dec 19, 2004

I know you have the right to be passionate about your work, and I think that's good, but please don't threaten me with lawsuits for slander against your agency because I have done no such thing. (plus don't you think that's a little extreme?)

I think you should re-examine what you protest are false statements.  When I say, "Robert is an upstanding and very honest guy", this is my opinion of him, so it can not be false.  You feel like you got burnt by your ex-partner, so you obviously are going to have a different personal opinion.  I know MANY guys who have used his agency on multiple occasions, and share the same positive opinion as I do.

I too saw the older version of www.playboy-penthouse.com and you have mis-read it, as well as taken it out of context.  It did have a chart to give guys an informative comparison of the differences between living in the US and in Colombia, and part of that chart stated:

"Night with a Playboy Quality model in the USA  $3000"
"Night with a Playboy Quality model in Medellin $250"

But the site also made very clear that this was an informative comparison of the differences between the two places, and in no way provided these types of services.
Last time I checked, the disclaimer is still on their site and the only reason they may have removed what used to be on there was to be extra clear that they DO NOT cross that line.

I think you should do has Robert has, move on and worry about your own agency and stop dwelling on the past with "he said, she said" games.  If you run a better agency, then you'll have the larger client flow, and vice-versa.  Competing agencies means better services for us the clients, but throwing old dirt around doesn't do anybody any good.

... in response to Evidence Vagabond is Providing False Inf..., posted by Medellin Agency on Dec 19, 2004

Not so important, but I want to apologize for the numerous misspellings, but I was so "hot" writing this I overlooked them.

Steve Valdez, Owner
www.colombiansweethearts.com

... in response to Misspellings, posted by Medellin Agency on Dec 19, 2004


Not to worry Steve, but if it really bugs ya, there is always the good ol' 'edit message' button.