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Here is a copy of a mail I sent to Fox News and Cnn international

I have been living in Cali Colombia for a year and what I miss most from the US is Fox News.I am told it is not available here but I am not sure that is true.I recently stayed in Bogota and had it with the reception in my hotel room.
I have Direct TV here,a dish system.My only access to international or US news is CNN international or BBC.
I am so sick of CNN international.They spend its seems 20% of their time repeating the same self promotional pieces.After about 1000 times of the same pitch I want to throw a brick through the TV.
Plus I miss the debate format at Fox were different points of view are presented.I think one reason the US is hated and misunderstood in the world is very biased news reporting that does not present a balenced picture.They see one side only.
So please.if you are somehow available here let me know.If not please pursue getting in to this market.I miss you.And people here need  balenced news reporting.

Pete Eiguren
Cali Colombia

... in response to I miss Fox News, posted by Pete E on Dec 14, 2004

Which different points of view are you speaking about Pete?  The right and the far right?

... in response to Re: I miss Fox News, posted by lswote on Dec 14, 2004

For me there are usually all sides represented.John Kerry passed on going on Bill O'Reilly,knew he would get grilled.He had his chance for free national exposure but wasn't up for the challenge.
I like the discussion groups with different points of view.For me Fox is centrist.The other networks left of center and unbalenced.AND,everybody gets a chance to speak out,but they will get questioned.No free lunch commercials.
Just my opinion.

Pete

... in response to Re: Re: I miss Fox News, posted by Pete E on Dec 14, 2004

Bill O'Reilly is a registered Republican but he lied about that.  He claims that he grew up in a lower middle class neighborhood but he grew up rich in the suburbs.

This is documented by Al Frankin in his book, "Lies and the Liars Who Tell Them".  

I have watched the show twice and O'Reilly shouts down his guests and he doesn't allow them to present their point of view.  This is not journalism, it is political diatribe

... in response to Re: Re: Re: I miss Fox News, posted by kented on Dec 14, 2004

Al Frankenstein is a liar himself.  So what if Bill is a registered Republican. Over ninety percent of the other media voted for John Kerry.  Do you think they are fair and balanced.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: I miss Fox News, posted by kented on Dec 14, 2004

O'Reilly can be overbearing.But people do have a chance to respond if they have the GUTS to show up.
He grew up in a company town in New York.I will take his veracity over Al Franklin every time.And he has the GUTS to take on people like Jesse Jackson,who intimidated many companies in to payolla to avoid being cast as racist.
There was a huge chasm in the news.A huge middle ground not being heard,a lack of people to tackle sensitive issues.Bill O'Reilly destroyed that little fear of reporting cycle.
In my Opinion Balence was needed.We got more balence then before fox news.John Kerry attacked O'reilly as being responsible for his defeat,even though he didn't have the GUTS to show up.Lanny Davis,Bill Clinton advisor basically said he was out of line and that was bull shit.
Liberals still control 80% of the media.What you bitching about?

Pete

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: I miss Fox News, posted by Pete E on Dec 14, 2004

In case you don't realize a huge allegation of voter fraud that the mainstream media doesn't touch.  There were tons of voting amchines in the suburbs and too few in the inenr city causing incredible waits.  The "liberal biased" media has not touched this.

The "liberal biased" media doesn't show coffins returning from Iraq, they don't attack the administration for going into an unwinable war with no plan to secure the peace and for no adequately protecting our soldiers.  

The "liberal biased" media doesn't detailt he peril that our astronomical deficits protend for the future of our country.  

You don't need to agree with a word I have written.  THESE ARE LIBERAL ISSUES AND THE MEDIA IGNORES THEM.   Illsiten to Air America occasionally and they do have a liberal bias.  I personally find it boring to listen to biased people all the time even if I agree with them.

Didn't Bill O'Reilly get sued for sexual hassassment recently, lie about it and then admit his guilt?  I guess Al Frankin made that up too.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I miss Fox News, posted by kented on Dec 14, 2004

Where I live in North Carolina there were more voting machines in minority districts and less in the suburbs where I live.  Even though the population in the suburbs is twice than the minority districts.  We all stood in line for a very long time and got our vote in.  Cut you liberal crap, Kented!  You and all your willing accomplices in the liberal media are such sour grapes that you can't accept the fact that Kerry got beat.  Keep going down this road Kented and it will be along time before you guys ever win another election.  People like a positive message not constant complaining about what President Bush was doing.  Do I like everything that President Bush does? No, but at least I know he has balls and will stand up to the terrorist and not put his head between his legs like Kerry would have done.  Clinton, didn't do jack for eight years while all these terrorists acts were being committed against us.  All that did was embolden the terrorists to keep doing what they were doing.  Then comes Bush who isn't going to put up with that crap anymore and you liberals have a freaking cow.  Flowers in gun barrels don't work Kented.  The only way you take these guys on is by killing them or capturing them  That is all they understand.  Thank God Bush won another four year term.  I shutter to think what would have happened if Kerry would have won.

Keith

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I miss Fox News, posted by Keith NC on Dec 15, 2004

I'm glad too.  Bush can not be accountable for the unnecessary war in Iraq or the astonomical deficit.  I will be as happy as a cow if Iraq turns out to be a good decision or if Bush can solve his deficit.  At least Tthe republicans won't be able to blame anyone for his policies.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I miss Fox News, posted by kented on Dec 14, 2004

-You believe John Ashcroft poses a greater danger to America than Osama bin Laden

-You think President Bush lied to the nation but his predecessor did not.

-You believe President Bush is too dumb to be President and Arnold Schwarzenegger is too dumb to be Governor of California, but the Dixie Chicks, Martin Sheen, Alec Baldwin, Barbra Streisand, Eddie Vedder and Jeanine Garofalo are qualified to discourse at length on foreign policy.

-You believe all conservatives are racist, but do not think minorities can ever succeed without Affirmative Action.

-You can't decide which is worse: the Patriot Act or the Patriot Missile.

-You believe Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong Il, and Yasser Arafat were fairly and democratically elected, but President Bush was not.

-You root for prisoners when they escape from our oppressive prisons, but oppose allowing poor children to escape from failing public schools.

-You support every kind of "diversity" on campus, except political orientation.

-You support banning the smoking of tobacco and legalizing marijuana.

-You are enraged by the so-called mistreatment of Muslim prisoners (who have gained weight while dining on their specially prepared Koran-approved meals) at Guantanamo Bay, but believe the world should have stood idly by while Saddam Hussein filled mass graves.

-You have found where the right to an abortion is written in the Constitution but cannot find where the Constitution provides for a right to keep and bear arms.

-You support campus speech codes that ban pick-up lines and amorous gazes, but never spoke out against President Clinton's physical sexual harassment in the White House.

-You applauded Jimmy Carter for talking about human rights in foreign policy but opposed George W. Bush for doing something about human rights.

-You believe that trial lawyers taking 33 to 40 percent of a plaintiff's recovery in lawsuits is just about right, but the federal government taking this amount of our income in taxes is not nearly enough.

-You believe the former Governor of a New England state with 608,827 people is more than adequately experienced to be President in 2004, but the Governor of a Southwestern state with 21,325,018 people was completely unprepared in 2000.

-You agree with Toni Morrison that President Clinton was "the first black President," but didn't criticize Al Sharpton for recently labeling President Bush a "gang leader."

-You believe we could get more truth out of the Pentagon if only Don Rumsfeld were replaced by Mohammed Al-Sahhaf.

-You believe evangelical Christians are destroying America but don't feel threatened by the radical Wahabbi sect of Islam.

-When it comes to violent crime, you believe in hating the crime but loving the criminal.

-You support unlimited appeals for convicted criminals, but believe it is undemocratic for Californians to reverse their earlier mistake of electing Gray Davis.

-You believe U.S. exports of genetically modified foods pose a greater threat to African nations than corrupt dictators like Zimbabwe's Mugabe.

-You believe welfare is a fundamental human right and workfare is a human rights violation.

-You believe religion is a scourge on our society, but becoming one with Mother Nature by merging with the universal consciousness and harmonizing with lunar reverberations will save us.

-You believe President Bush is an environmental criminal for poisoning the water with arsenic, but have never complained about Saddam Hussein's devastating Iraq and Kuwait's environment by setting intentional oil well fires and committing genocide against the Marsh Arabs by draining their wetlands.

-Your car sports the bumper sticker saying that "it will be a great day when our schools have all the money they need and the military has to hold bake sales," but oppose allowing the U.S. military to volunteer recruitment tables on college campuses because of their "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy.

... in response to You might be a liberal if....., posted by Jeff S on Dec 15, 2004

Jeff, great post but you forgot that liberal paragon Michael Moore

... in response to You might be a liberal if....., posted by Jeff S on Dec 15, 2004

ROFL!

The liberals will never figure out that the majority of the voters just weren't stupid enough to fall for the liberal lies. But it's still their right to believe liars like Al Frankin and Micheal Moore if they wish to… LOL

... in response to They'll NEVER get it..., posted by Ray on Dec 15, 2004

You guys are restoring my faith in basic good judgement.Not everybody buys the liberal line automatically.
A few years ago Newt Gingrich was considered this outrageous conservative,just branded by the liberals and liberal media.I never heard him say a thing I disagreed with,he seemed very reasonable to me.
But he did pull some sort of schenanigan with his staff doing other work or something that basically doomed him.He defended himself to the end but I guess legally he got nailed.

Pete

... in response to Re: They'll NEVER get it..., posted by Pete E on Dec 15, 2004

Gingrich went kookoo and overplayed a card with some failed legislation in the War on Drugs. (I'm thinking it was 1987ish?)  It was a fatal political misstep for him, and marked him as darn near an 'extremist' in the minds of many people (including a few colleagues). Seriously militarizing and invoking death penalties for small drug crimes was nothing short of stupid.  He was calling for a kind of martial law.

While some of his "Contract With America" was pretty inspiring, he misplayed politics again in '94 by overreaching again, and never really recovered politically.

Ciao

... in response to Re: Re: They'll NEVER get it..., posted by Locii on Dec 15, 2004

I wasn't aware of the drug thing.I am asmuch alibertarian as a republican and don't buy that one at all.
GW pisses me off here,talking about freedom then willing to throw you in jail for a victimless crime.

Pete

... in response to You might be a liberal if....., posted by Jeff S on Dec 15, 2004

That was superb.

... in response to You might be a liberal if....., posted by Jeff S on Dec 15, 2004

nt

... in response to You might be a liberal if....., posted by Jeff S on Dec 15, 2004

nt

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I miss Fox News, posted by kented on Dec 14, 2004

Lets,see,I am a little out of touch here in SA but I thought O'Reilly said bring it on to an accuser,he was not willing to cave just to avoid embarasment.The story I read talked about huge law on the side of an accuser but he was willing to say show us what you got.If he settled I didn't hear it.Sounded real bogus to me.
FOR SURE the liberal media does play on body bags and bad news.Its about all we hear.Are you serious here?The negative is constanly MAXIMISED.
Going in to an unwinable war without a plan to secure the peace?Thats pretty good hindsight analysis.
Unwinable?We won the war pronto.Securing the peace is a different matter when 20% of the population does not want to give up the advantage they had over the other 80%.And they are fu---ng muslim nuts to boot.I don't agree with much Bill Maher has to say but he was right on  one thing.Maybe they want their religion more than they want democracy,and the 2 are diametrically opposed.
Was Saddam an ass worth kicking?No doubt in my mind.Did he have weapons of MD?Just about everybody agrees he did.Where did they go?Well I'm not sure he was smart enough to think of it,but if they couldn't be found perhaps he was smart enough to know this Might cause certain peoples will to
decline or raise enough question he might get back in power.
Speculation.We needed to do it in my opinion.We did.Are we going to see it through or wimp out?The wimp out vote just LOST THE ELECTION.Did you miss that?
And,did you notice Libia coming around?And Iran and North Korea a little more concerned than before.We won't have to kick those asses specifically because THEY KNOW WE WILL.
Reminds me of the new kid in school philosopy.You find the biggest bully and KICK HIS ASS.The others don't f--k with you.
I don't know what chickensh!t Bill Clinton Or Goofy Al Gore would have done.I'm glad we didn't have to find out.Saddam might be in Riad controlling the worlds oil instead of in jail.And the French?They would keep him out of Riad just like they kept Hitler out of Paris.
There is a duty being the worlds only super power.Thank god it is not being pissed away by the gutless.
But no thanks to the liberal media for encouraging us to do just that.

Pete

... in response to Re: Re: Re: I miss Fox News, posted by kented on Dec 14, 2004

Too bad Al Franken's book, like Michael Moore's movies, are mostly lies. O'Reilly had registered as a republican many years ago but changed his afiliation to independent over 25 years ago. He also produced the deed of the house his parents owned where he grew up. It was indeed, as O'Reilly claims, in Levitown, New York, hardly a rich neighborhood.

True, he doesn't allow his guests, liberal or conservative, to spin a bunch of BS, but I've never once heard him shout down a guest, he simply insists they answer the tough questions. Plenty of people think he's a far left liberal and plenty of others (it sounds like you do) think he's a far right conservative. It's interesting to note, the ratings show he has by far the highest ratings of cable news analysis show - hardly the ravings of fringe lunatic.

BTW - he never claimed his show is journalism or news - but news analysis - unlike people like Dan Rather who try to hide the fact that they're pushing an agenda.

- Jeff

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: I miss Fox News, posted by Jeff S on Dec 14, 2004

Bill O'Reilly also lied about ever having been a Republican.  

Rush Limbaugh is also highly rated which proves being a raving lunatic and having high ratings are not mutually exclusive.  

I don't know how anyone would consider him a far left liberal.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: I miss Fox News, posted by Jeff S on Dec 14, 2004

Aw, what the hell, Hoda hasn't had to trashcan a thread in a couple days so let me weigh in a little more and send this thread down the tubes after we've had a little debate.

I don't know what to make of Bill O'Reilly's popularity, but there is no denying it, however I don’t get it.  I haven't read Al Franken's book but I did see him and O'Reilly get into it May of last year and O'Reilly really did a poor job of defending himself when he was away from the security of his show with his producers calling all the shots.

I consider myself an independent, but lately I have been more supportive of the liberals, but not because of their pork barrel tendencies, but because Republicans, at least officially, seem to be so unsupportive of the poor and disadvantaged in this country.  I know we have to protect our nation against the terrorists of this world who would like to see us destroyed as a nation, but it bothers me that the Republican administration seems to not able to do more than thing at a time.  I don’t think the war on terror excludes us from facing other issues.  John Kennedy once said "We choose to go to the Moon and to do other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard".  He knew we could do all those things, just like we should be able to fight the war on terror and taking care of the other important things in this country, but the Republicans, and the Bush administration in particular, have "one thing on the agenda-itis".  Bill O’Reilly and Fox News only seems to interview and support people who support the basic tenets of the Bush administration, not the folks who just want us to be a better nation to the poor and disadvantage of our nation and the world but disagree with the Republicans.

And I don't like Dan Rather much either, but not because he is too liberal, but because he is a prima donna first and a journalist second.  Ted Koppel is the only big 3 channel journalist that has any true credibilty as a journalist IMHO.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I miss Fox News, posted by lswote on Dec 14, 2004

Republicans, at least officially, seem to be so unsupportive of the poor and disadvantaged in this country.""

Do you mean the "poor" programers who make over $100,000.00
And cry like a baby when THEY have to pay their own health care costs?  Yes poor little babys.

Maybe we should take away their candy.  It only makes them fatter!!!!!

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I miss Fox News, posted by Heat on Dec 15, 2004

[This message has been edited by lswote]

Actually I wasn't talking about myself.  My benefits I am entitled to because I am a disabled veteran, disabled in the service of my country.  I get my benefits whether democrats or republicans occupy the oval office.  Rather I am speaking about the poor who don't have healthcare, can't get healthcare and didn't have the Veteran's Administration to cover their ass.  If you get older and don't learn that life isn't all about yourself, then you don't have any value to anyone but yourself.  You are a rude, imprudent individual and I hope another 10 years adds some depth to your life experience because you are nothing but a selfish slug.

As far as being a programmer, I'm not anymore.  I just started my own company and hope to hire 4 employees by the end of the year.  I am not fatter either, as being sick over the last 8 months caused me to lose about 40 pounds.

Ironically, the $100,000 I made as a programmer is going to be paltry compared to the profits I should reap from my new business.  I figured if the best tax breaks under George Bush are for the wealthy, might as well become wealthy to take advantage of them.

Finally,  I do not apologize for the amount of space in this post I intend to devote to telling you about Heat. To plunge right into it, Heat's most progressive idea is to have more impact on Earth's biological, geological, and chemical systems during our lifetime and our children's than all preceding human generations had together. If that sounds progressive to you, you must be facing the wrong way. What he does in private is none of my business. But when Heat tries to make mountains out of molehills, I object. I intend to exercise my franchise to honor our nation's glorious mosaic of cultures and ethnicities. Why do I tell you this? Because these days, no one else has the guts to.

Does he have trouble living with himself, knowing that in the good old days, when courage, honor, devotion, duty, and loyalty meant something, it was comparatively easy to spread awareness of the militant nature of his protests? You know the answer, don't you? You probably also know that when he says that his cop-outs are not worth getting outraged about, in his mind, that's supposed to end the argument. It's like he believes he has said something very profound. Heat's beliefs are not an abstract problem. They have very concrete, immediate, and unpleasant consequences. For instance, if I were a complete sap, I'd believe Heat's line that he answers to no one. Unfortunately for him, I realize that it's childish for Heat to sully a profession that's already held in low esteem. Or perhaps I should say, it's tendentious.

Even so, Heat's supporters' thinking is fenced in by many constraints. Their minds are not free because they dare not be. Like a lion after tasting the blood of human victims, Heat will write off whole sections of society. One doesn't need a finely developed sense of irony to note that only through education can individuals gain the independent tools they need to give him condign punishment. But the first step is to acknowledge that implying that society is supposed to be lenient towards loquacious tyrants is no different from implying that children should get into cars with strangers who wave lots of yummy candy at them. Both statements are ludicrous. When I'm through with Heat, he'll think twice before attempting to do everything possible to keep the most stolid skinflints I've ever seen uncompromising and self-righteous. In the end, I trust Heat about as far as I can throw him.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I miss Fox News, posted by Heat on Dec 15, 2004

Why is it that some liberals cannot understand that their politicians are as 'corrupt' as the anyone on the other side of the aisle?  It is amusing to me that, according to liberals , "Republicans are owned by oil, mining, and 'big business'"...well I have unfortunate news for you, the Trial Lawyers Assoc, the banks, the labor unions, and insurers (big business) own the Democratic Party in the exact same way (and degree).

The notion that the Democratic Party is underfunded in relation to the Republican Party is just incorrect.  It is a lie.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/money/articles/2004/12/13/kerry_loss_wasnt_over_money/

If anyone thinks George Soros really wets his pants over 'the little guy', they are simply not an informed person.

The Democrat and Republican party are more the same than different today.  The reason that I tend to vote Republican is 90% due to the fact there there is a 0% chance that tort reform will occurr under Democrats.

The more liberal of the Democrats are figuring out that their platform is flawed; even Dillary is trying to cast herself as some kind of 'Conservative'.  It is both irritating and funny.

If this does not burst the superiority complex of liberals, nothing under God will:

'Liberal powerhouse MoveOn has a message for the "professional election losers" who run the Democratic Party: "We bought it, we own it, we're going to take it back."'

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/12/09/democrats.critics.ap/index.html

Sorry liberals.  Why don't you sit down and come up with a platform that a broad spectum of people can support?  When you do, you will start wining elections again.  In the mean time, try to stop BSing yourselves.

Ciao

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I miss Fox N..., posted by Locii on Dec 15, 2004

:-)

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I miss Fox News, posted by lswote on Dec 14, 2004

I think Bill O'Reilly INVITES EVERYONE  who he nails to show up and respond.Some do,some don't.Conspiciously absent in any effort to defend themselves for fear of looking like a bigger fool,Jesse Jackson and John Kerry.
There are lots of things I don't like about the Bush administration but taking them over a wuz like Kerry was a no brainer.And don't forget you get the whole package with a Democrat,including thingslike fruitcake envirementalism.
I like O'Reilly alot more than I like Bush.And my favorite politician,a guy with the GUTS to show up and tell it like he sees it every time,John McCain is a frequent guest of O'Reilly.
I will admit he has control of the show and has a bit of an advantage and can bully people.Mostly peoplec who deserve it.
I LOVE FOX NEWS.THERE WAS A BIG GAP THEY FILLED  IN MY OPINION .

Pete

... in response to Actually, posted by Pete E on Dec 14, 2004

O'Reilly has had some guests kindof bury him.  Michael Moore did; not out of content or facts, but he simply boxed in O'Reilly in a classic debate rope-a-dope.

I think O'Reilly is a mostly-entertaining ego-driven guy with some confused politics.  His drug stance is quite silly and seems not logic driven but emotional.

Ciao

... in response to Actually, posted by Pete E on Dec 14, 2004

You like it because it reinforces your conservative views, not becasue it is objective.  That was my only point.

Air America reinforces my political views but I am far too intelligent to listen to it all the time because it isn't objective, ever though I agree with it.  I agree with Air America but it would be idiotic for me to claim that it was unbiased or objective.

... in response to Re: Actually, posted by kented on Dec 14, 2004

I actually was force-fed several hours of Air America on a drive recently.   I was absolutely stunned at the wild factual perversions I was hearing.  They were so off base (talking about the Al Qaida and Iraq links) that it was making me laugh  out loud.

I do not find that Foxnews or Talk Radio in general fabricates data and does anything that is is anywhere on par with Air America.  Incidentally, I was listening to a guy filling in for a usual guy, and the names meant nothing to me, but it WAS Air America.

You don't reach people or recoup a lost mandate by BSing people.  While the left loves to hate Rush L., you never hear them taking him on, do you?  The fact is that Rush basically gets his facts right on and then is a near-genius at the spin and stab.  But he does not often truly pervert facts.  Never that I have heard, at any rate.

Ciao

... in response to Re: Actually, posted by kented on Dec 14, 2004

Conservative talk shows are popular because they reflect the views of the listeners.

Now here's the hard part....

Liberal talk shows are NOT popular because they __________________ (fill in the blank)

... in response to Yes! You DO get it!, posted by Jeff S on Dec 15, 2004

Conservative talk shows are popular because conservatives are very definite in what they do and don't believe.  People like decision, often times even if it is wrong.

Liberals on the other hand, by their very nature are trying to find compromise, middle ground, and thus are often perceived as wishy-washy, even if they are right in trying to seek compromise.  People don't like wishy-washy.

This I believe has more to do with conservation talk show popularity than any other factor or whether people actually agree with the agenda.

... in response to Re: Actually, posted by kented on Dec 14, 2004

What I like is when Fox news sits down 2 people leaning in one direction and 2 leaning in another and we get to hear their opinions.
Dan Rather never did that.Or CNN that I can remember.
Question EVERYTING.The thing that seems above question is the thing that needs to be questioned most of all.
For years the media was afraid to tackle issue or expose scams for fear of being labled racist or some other term.Enough of that nonsense.Question everything.
Which is diffent,however,than making a film about some pretty unusual circumstances like the CIA involved in a drug operation,for whatever reason,wise or not so,and infering thats how it is,the CIA is behind drug dealing.You can use a little truth to create a huge distortion of the truth.
I am not familiar with air america.Every person has to use judgement in what they believe.There is some very far out stuff out there otherwise intelligent people are willing to believe.
Question,question,question.Don't be afraid to question.
But don't buy a pile of BS either.Thats part of questioning.

Pete

... in response to I miss Fox News, posted by Pete E on Dec 14, 2004


I get Fox news on my cable TV service through Cable Pacifico here in Medellin.  Not to burst your bubble but Fox can be awfully repetitive as well.

... in response to Re: I miss Fox News, posted by pablo on Dec 14, 2004

They can all repeat their stories.Particularly at night it gets to be reruns.But I like Fox,I used to watch them alot,too much actually.They never pissed me off like CNN international,where even when they are not pitching themselves it can be pretty dumb stuff.And almost no debate type format where people with differing opinions weight in.It like the old major networks,they feed you their version.

Pete