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Title: Attachment Blues Post by: Seeker on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM I just read an e-mail from my girl in Cali in which she told me she couldn't wait to be together once again. She added that although she hadn't written me in a few days, it is better this way because it is good for me to miss her. She closes by saying "te cuidas mucho un beso grandote ATT: una personita que te quiere mucho y te extraña,"
Fortunately for me, she unintentionally, attached a very recent e-mail that basically is a love letter to her boyfriend and her boyfriend's reply. This attachment is so good, here you have it: GORDO NO SABES CUANTO TE AMO ERES PARA MI UNA PERSONA MARAVILLOSA Hola Chiquita: Mi amor la verdad es que nunca habia llegado a imaginar que tu me amaras tanto como tu me lo dices en este mensaje, creeme que estoy como un poquito anodado porque esto para mi es un pequeño respiro de felicidaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa......d TE AMO MUCHISISISISISIMO. Nena yo tengo un sueño muy grande que es el de porder estar contigo, y aunque se que es un poco dificil para los dos, solo es es cuestion de tiempo y por eso deseo que tu me comprendas mucho. Preciosa te agradesco mucho por darme ese aliento de apoyo. Tu para mi eres un tesoro muy grande y jamas XXXXXXX jamas, quisiera perderte porque creelo que sufriria mucho con el solo hechode pensar en que yo este realizando un sueño sin la persona que yo mas he amado en toda mi vida, y con la cual deseo estar el resto de mi vida. I'm shocked! I'm devastated in the sense that this is the best relationship I've been able to produce after four trips to Colombia. I'll have to remove our picture from my desk tomorrow morning. Anyways, just be careful out there and proceed with caution. I thought the world of this girl. She seemed one of the most honest girls in Cali that I had met. Regardless, I'm thankful that this mishap happened sooner rather than later. Title: Have you considered Post by: Pete E on October 27, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Attachment Blues, posted by Seeker on Oct 26, 2004
That the E-mails may be old ones she had saved,that this relationship is one in her past? There are two different approches,kind of watch for other inconsistencies or confront her with it.Since your attitude will obviously be so different you might want to just copy the whole thing,send it to her and ask what it means.There might be an explanation,I'm sure she will try. If she could somehow show you the mails were old it might make a difference. Pete Title: Interesting because... Post by: Seeker on October 27, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Have you considered, posted by Pete E on Oct 27, 2004
Good suggestion Pete! I went back and noticed that the e-mail in the attachment is from 9/25/'04. I had assumed it was from this month. However, the fact that it is from a month ago makes very little difference to me. In fact, that was right around Colombia's Valentine's Day in which I made an effort to call her and tell her how much I wished I could be in Cali with her to take her out to dinner and dancing. I like your idea of sending her a copy of the entire attachment just to see what happens. It would be interesting for me to see the kind of story she comes up with to try to weasel herself out of this one. Either way, I can't trust her in the future, nor would I ever consider wasting my time with her again. Title: Beware guys! If she can fool S anybody can be fooled Post by: Pete E on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Attachment Blues, posted by Seeker on Oct 26, 2004
S, This type of situation is probably quite common where a girl has a Colombian boy friend but wants the benefits of a US boyfriend or just can't make up her mind which one to go for.Rarely would she be so blatently caught.This should be a real eye opener for guys out there. Knowing you I know this girl must have been very convincing.Some guys might just presume you are a real virgin at this.But not only do you speak excellent spanish but you have lots of experience and in my opinion good and carefull judgement.So guys beware,Seeker is no fool and she fooled him.To me that means she could fool about anybody.Best to be real carefull and allow lots of time for the truth to come out.A case could be made for hiring a private dectective just for insurance to protect yourself since these girls can be so good at deception.I would say if there is even a small sign of inconsistencies this could be a good idea. I reported about 4 weeks ago a girl was over at my place being introduced to me.Another gringo had left THAT DAY who was working on fiancee visa papers for her.A guy staying with me knew him. Beware!Things MIGHT NOT be what they seem or we would like them to be. Pete Title: Re: Beware guys! If she can fool S anybody can be fooled Post by: Seeker on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Beware guys! If she can fool S anybody c..., posted by Pete E on Oct 26, 2004
Pete, I appreciate your vote of confidence even though Calipro flat out disagrees with your assessment of my judgement. However, I will say that I'm a native Spanish speaker and it is easier for me to catch small inconsistencies in language than a person who has learned Spanish as a second language. This girl's family described themselves as very Christian and purportedly with very high moral standards. The disturbing part is that how could they possibly have not known of the other boyfriend's existence. In a way they were accomplices in this whole fraudulent scheme. Pete, an important point you made was that we all need to be very careful and look for inconsistencies. After this experience, a private detective seems indispensable once you begin approaching the "proposing marriage" phase. Title: Danger Will Robinson.......Danger Post by: Heat on October 27, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Beware guys! If she can fool S anybo..., posted by Seeker on Oct 26, 2004
This girl's family described themselves as very Christian and purportedly with very high moral standards."" This is for me a danger sign. But it sounds like you know what your doing. You're no rookie. It just happens. Title: Re: Danger Will Robinson.......Danger Post by: Locii on October 27, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Danger Will Robinson.......Danger, posted by Heat on Oct 27, 2004
Ha, I cannot agree with you more. I tend to find that anyone who sells their high morals has done just that, sold them a long time ago. Ciao Title: Re: Beware guys! If she can fool S anybody can be fooled Post by: Calipro on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Beware guys! If she can fool S anybody c..., posted by Pete E on Oct 26, 2004
Pete, I don't trust Seeker's judgement as much as you obviously do. Remember when he had a so called girl friend eventhough they were not having sex and he ended up buying her a lot of clothes at the mall. If it turns out that he wasn't in an intimate relationship with this woman either than she was never his girlfriend in the first place IMHO. Who knows it might even be the same girl that took him at the mall. The bottom line is caleñas have sex with their boyfriends. If they are not having sex with you than you are not their boyfriend for SURE!! But, it is also postible that she could be having sex with you and someone else so always keep your eyes open;-) Title: Re: Re: Beware guys! If she can fool S anybody can be fooled Post by: papi on October 27, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Beware guys! If she can fool S anybo..., posted by Calipro on Oct 26, 2004
CPRO, IF MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY, I THINK YOU ARE THE AUTHOR OF RULE #1. THIS SHOULD BE THE BIBLE OF PL AND EVERY GRINGO WHO VENTURES INTO THIS ENDEAVOR. WE'D HAVE A LOT LESS PROBLEMS IF GRINGOS ALL OVER LATIN AMERICA STOPPED REACHING FOR THEIR WALLETS AT THE FIRST GLANCE OF A BEAUTIFUL LATINA. TAKE COSTA RICA – IT IS ALMOST AS PRICEY AS THE EEUU – THE GRINGOS HAVE MADE MATTERS MUCH WORSE FOR THE MORE EXPERIENCED TRAVELERS SEEKING VALUE IN LA NOT TO MENTION AVOIDING THE SPOILED COLOMBIANS NOW ACCUSTOMED TO SPENDING GRINGO PESOS AT "STUDIO FU FU" Title: Re: Re: Beware guys! If she can fool S anybody can be fooled Post by: Seeker on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Beware guys! If she can fool S anybo..., posted by Calipro on Oct 26, 2004
Calipro, I appreciate straight shooters like you. However, I don't think it is my judgement that you don't trust, rather it is simply a matter of differing values- you don't agree with mine. I prefer not to have sex right away someone that I'm considering for marriage. Sex is cheap, especially in Cali. The most important issue for me is whether or not I'm invited to the lady's home and am given the opportunity to meet and visit with her immediate family. Meeting her extended family and friends is a bonus. Last time I was in Cali I visited with her family and relatives many times. The term "girlfriend" takes on a whole new meaning when you are talking about a long distance girlfriend that you haven't seen in months. I think "lover" would be more appropriate for your definition of girlfriend. I have trouble with this term because it is so vague. Anyways, when I use the term "girlfriend" there is an underlying agreement of exclusivity. Otherwise, I wouldn't be wasting my time calling her so often and bothering to have our picture on my desk at work. Up until last night, I really saw the possibility of marrying this girl. Title: Re: Re: Re: Beware guys! If she can fool S anybody can be fooled Post by: papi on October 27, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Beware guys! If she can fool S a..., posted by Seeker on Oct 26, 2004
SEEKER, I HAVE TO GO ALONG WITH CPRO ON THIS ONE. NOT THAT I AM TRYING TO CHEAPEN THE RELATIONSHIP, BUT A WOMAN NOT WILLING TO GET INTIMATE IS NOT YOUR NOVIA. NO PROBLEM WAITING UNTIL A RETURN TRIP OR TWO – BUT TO SPEND MONEY ON A WOMAN THAT IS NOT YOUR NOVIA (SEE MAKING LOVE) IS A BAD DECISION AND SHE MAY EITHER NOT REALLY READY FOR A RELATIONSHIP OR WORSE SEEING A COLOMBIAN ON THE SIDE. I APPLAUD THE RULE #1. ONE GRINGO WHO HAD JUST MARRIED A WOMAN FROM BOGOTA ONCE TOLD ME THAT IF A LATINA IS NOT BITING ON YOUR EAR BY THE FIRST OR SECOND DATE SHE IS NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN YOU. I TRY TO REFER TO THAT ADVICE WHEN COURTING Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Beware guys! If she can fool S anybody can be fooled Post by: Pete E on October 27, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Beware guys! If she can fool..., posted by papi on Oct 27, 2004
I can do without the biting,even if it is a sign she is turned on.My girlfriend tries to restrain herself,knows I don't like it.Biting on the neck,like last night preffered to bitting my lip.I don't like that one at all. Pete Title: Re: Re: Re: Beware guys! If she can fool S anybody can be fooled Post by: Locii on October 27, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Beware guys! If she can fool S a..., posted by Seeker on Oct 26, 2004
Bingo, Seeker. I have had many lovers, a few that I would call genuine girlfriends, one wife, another near-miss fiance...and I see them all differently. Sorry you had to deal with that disappointment. It never ceases to amaze me how deceptive some people can be in an attempt to enhance their lives. Ciao Title: Re: Re: Re: Beware guys! If she can fool S anybody can be fooled Post by: kented on October 27, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Beware guys! If she can fool S a..., posted by Seeker on Oct 26, 2004
I agree that sex is cheap and having sex right away is not vital. But I think it comes about the smae time you go on shopping trips using your credit card. One day in CR, I received a call on my cell phone with a girl who wanted to meet me. I met her and she was gorgeous and very young. We had dinner and she asked me to buy a fast food dinner for her friend. I really had no way out so I did. ($3) Later she asked for cab fare home and I suggested she take a bus like I was doing. She told me if I wanted a young pretty girlfriend I would have to pay. I told her that me buying lots of stuff for her came about the same time we were having sex. Since I hadn't asked for sex, she shouldn't expect me to spend gobs of money on her. Title: Re: Re: Re: Beware guys! If she can fool S anybody can be fooled Post by: Calipro on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Beware guys! If she can fool S a..., posted by Seeker on Oct 26, 2004
[This message has been edited by Calipro] Seeker, I appreciate your ability to take a little criticism without getting your feelings hurt. Everything you say is true including sex is cheap and the value of meeting her extended family. But, I have to tell you that sex is a very important part of a boyfriend girlfriend relationship in Cali. I would try and work on my hang ups about having sex before marriage because quite honestly I haven't ran into to many caleñas with those kind of attitudes towards sex. Speaking spanish is a big plus but don't just judge this women on what they say. Judge them on what they do. And if the two of you are not having sex well that's kind of like playing tennis blind folded IMHO. Having a long distance relationship is tough enough without using all the tools at your disposal. Never under estimate the power of intimate relations as a tool to really get to know someone. A couple of hours in the bedroom (if you both enjoy each other) can take the place of days of recounting gut wrenching, tramatic stories of your life to reach a very nice level of intimacy in a relationship. Besides if you just sit around the house talking to her all the time, what are you going to do while you are having dinner? Have sex?? Hey, that doesn't sound like a bad idea? Anyway don't worry about sex cheapening the relationship. Those are american hang ups not colombian. Trust me;-) Title: correct Post by: kented on October 27, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Beware guys! If she can fool..., posted by Calipro on Oct 26, 2004
Rushing into sex is a bad idea but so is considering yourself to have a novia without having sex. The US attitute that sex is evil is not shared in Latin America. It's not that big a deal and physical intimacy is an important way to know someone better. Once you get to the point of taking the woman and your relationship seriously, that's a natural step. Title: BALANCE Post by: papi on October 27, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to correct, posted by kented on Oct 27, 2004
I LIKE TO FIND A BALANCE. WOMEN THAT JUMP INTO THE SACK WITH ME ON THE FIRST OR SECOND DATE(BESIDES THE OCCASIONAL RENTAL) ARE OFTEN A TURNOFF OR CERTAINLY NOT MARRIAGE MATERIAL. ON THE FLIPSIDE, I HAVE NO PATIENCE FOR THE MANY "CHEEK KISSERS" ONLY IN IT FOR DINNER, DRINKS, CAB $, ETC Title: Re: Re: Beware guys! If she can fool S anybody can be fooled Post by: Pete E on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Beware guys! If she can fool S anybo..., posted by Calipro on Oct 26, 2004
CP, No,I don't remember that one.He seems carefull to me but not everybody insists on your rule no. one. I guess thats 2 girls I could be spending money on now,but one doesn't need it and the other doesn't ask.My only outlay is taxis and dinners,which can get expensive if you do it almost every night.470,000 pesos for three nights out of the last 4.I found some new places I like but its back to my standby ,which is also very good tonight.I'm not that hungry we could split a large steak.Plus they open my wine for free.Maybe get out for 30,000 pesos.It was 170,000 at one place,we had 2 glasses of wine and 5 mixed drinks.The margaritas were 60% the cost of a meal.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Beware guys! If she can fool S anybody can be fooled Post by: papi on October 27, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Beware guys! If she can fool S a..., posted by Pete E on Oct 26, 2004
I thought a well balanced diet consisted of proteins, carbs and veggies. Not Margaritas making up 60% of the meal...jajaj Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Beware guys! If she can fool S anybody can be fooled Post by: Pete E on October 27, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Beware guys! If she can fool..., posted by papi on Oct 27, 2004
I didn't have the margaritas.I had steak and red wine,low carbs untill I had those 2 coffee baileys.Next time I will get coffee lechi with brandi,and take my own splenda. I was feeling really fit about 3 weeks ago, I didn't eat for 9 hours one day,still was not hungry and felt lean and tight.3 weeks of carbs,just the opposite.Fat AND hungry.Back on it as of yesterday.If my maid puts carbs on my plate I take them off before eating.Otherwise I think one french fry no problem,then I wind up eating them all.She wants me to make a list of foods I can and can't eat.She doesn't get it.Made arroz con leche with the splenda,thought that wass OK.No intende arroz mucho carbs. Pete Title: Wine them, dine them, 69 'em. .... Post by: Calipro on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Beware guys! If she can fool S a..., posted by Pete E on Oct 26, 2004
if you want. But it sounds like it could get expensive. Maybe you should narrow it down to one just to cut costs. How about you stop taking them both out. Just invite them over and have sex with them until one drops out. If neither one drops out start telling them that they have to go right after sex because you have things to do. Think of the money you will save and the one you have left will be a real keeper. Title: Re: Wine them, dine them, 69 'em. .... Post by: Pete E on October 27, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Wine them, dine them, 69 'em. ...., posted by Calipro on Oct 26, 2004
CP, I know with one girl it would make no difference,dinner or not.If she was hungry she would settle for whatever I had.She does like wine which I have on hand.Last night we went through almost 2 bottles.I'm sure she would have whatever was available,if it was only water.We talked quite a bit last night.She is a happy person living with her humble family.The family is very loving and supportive,no negatives I can see.She just really loves them all.I am impressed with her attitude. The other girl I'm not so sure off,I think my status and the primo dinners might be more important to her.She is a professional,very good job.She is also 8 years older than girl no one,37 vs 29.And no kids.Girl no one a 12 year old. Pete Title: welcome to the cruel world Post by: Irmao on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Attachment Blues, posted by Seeker on Oct 26, 2004
the incidence of latin babes with a boyfriend is probably quite high. I think alot of guys treat it like Mexican street food, just eat it, don't look at it. Unfortunately or perhaps fortunately, in your case the cockroach apparently climbed right up your weiner and spit in your face. Title: Wow... Post by: Hoda on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to welcome to the cruel world, posted by Irmao on Oct 26, 2004
I'm getting the vibe, that you REALLY don't like what this woman pulled on our board brother! In all seriousness, this woman did him a favor by mucking up now, as opposed to later. Where it would have cost Seeker, much more emotionally & financially. Keep your head up Seeker....she's out there somewhere waiting for you! Title: Thanks to the PL Brotherhood for the support Post by: Seeker on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Wow..., posted by Hoda on Oct 26, 2004
Defenitely feeling the support of the PL Brotherhood right now. I'm telling you when the going gets tough, there is no better place to turn than here because you guys can better understand what I'm going through. It was certainly a fortunate turn of events. Trust me, I'm counting my blessings that I found out sooner, rather than later. Now I need to reflect and regroup as to what happened. Title: yeah, I was just using a metaphor Post by: Irmao on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM Title: Not so fast Seeker..... Post by: Calipro on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Attachment Blues, posted by Seeker on Oct 26, 2004
Was this girl really your girlfriend?? I mean were you two intimate?? Or was this like the last girlfriend you had?? Did you follow rule number one? Be honest.. Although it is apparent that this woman has feelings for the guy she is writing to. I get a sense that they are not yet in a commited relationship. And I think the guy is bull shiting her. Title: Re: Not so fast Seeker..... Post by: Seeker on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Not so fast Seeker....., posted by Calipro on Oct 26, 2004
The definition of girlfriend varies, see my post above. I didn't follow rule #1. The way I read it, this guy was surprised at the magnitude of love that she was expressing towards him. She even thinks of him as her husband! I think this guy is her supposedly old boyfriend that joined the army and was being trained in or around Pasto. I think she is bullshitting this guy and I think this guy is screwing someone in Pasto. Title: Seeker, Seeker, Seeker......... Post by: Calipro on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Not so fast Seeker....., posted by Seeker on Oct 26, 2004
You sure do have a thing or two to learn about colombianos. He wouldn't stop having sex with her whether or not you were still around or not. From the letter you posted it seems to me he is just playing with her and she maybe bullshiting him to. Real relationships have e-mails with a little more substance and not just a little feel good note. The only thing I'm sure of is that you are the only one not getting any. Start following rule #1. Title: I hereby swear to follow Calipro's Rule #1 n/t Post by: Seeker on October 27, 2004, 04:00:00 AM Title: Re: Not so fast Seeker..... Post by: utopiacowboy on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Not so fast Seeker....., posted by Calipro on Oct 26, 2004
I think you're right, Calipro - I sensed that in his letter to her. Guys may scoff at your Rule No. 1 but when you think about it, it makes sense. Most women will not sleep with a guy without a certain level of committment on their part. This is not true for guys but it is certainly true for most women. Title: Re: Attachment Blues Post by: soltero on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Attachment Blues, posted by Seeker on Oct 26, 2004
Put her out there when you are ready...It's not like Cali is the size of Texas. We should have a list of scammers like that. It is no telling how many of us might be writing to the same girls. I feel so very sorry that you had to find out like this, but count your blessings that you didn't find any emails or love letters after you had gone through the process of marrying her and bringing her here and having a stranger in your house. I hate to get all "CSI" on you, but if you copied that directly, her side with no punctuation and the all caps shows a serious lack of education, and it has been my experience that the more uneducated (and poor) the senorita, the more prone she is to working an angle. Gordo may just be one of many. Title: I forwarded her e-mail to me to her boyfriend Post by: Seeker on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Attachment Blues, posted by soltero on Oct 26, 2004
I'm certainly counting my blessings for having found out sooner, rather than later. I did forward her last e-mail to me, to her boyfriend last night. I basically told him how I had gotten the attachment containing their love e-mails. I wished them good luck and told him to be careful with this girl. He hasn't written back. Title: Re: I forwarded her e-mail to me to her boyfriend Post by: soltero on October 27, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to I forwarded her e-mail to me to her boyf..., posted by Seeker on Oct 26, 2004
Good for you. Exposure is the best way to end this kind of emotional betrayal. I don't know their situation (hers or his), whether he is playing her or she is playing him, or if any of it is real, but for your part, I am sure that it was real for you. Whether he writes back or not, she has been exposed and hopefully, she will think twice before doing this again. On the downside, she may just get better at hiding it, but at least this person has given you the way out to find someone who will be what you need her to be. Don't give up on finding happiness because it is out there. I am still looking after a betrayal and it only strengthens my resolve and gives me the experience that I will need to find the right one. Title: Easy Detective.....lol Post by: Hoda on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Attachment Blues, posted by soltero on Oct 26, 2004
Don't be so quick to open fire on women, because of their financial status or lack there of. The history of crime has repeated itself over & over again. The "Best" crooks, are the "Rich" crooks....lol Title: Lack of Detective Skills Aside (smile)... Post by: soltero on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Easy Detective.....lol, posted by Hoda on Oct 26, 2004
...I still say that there needs to be a list of people on both sides who are truly caught in the act with verification posted. Cucarachas tend to scatter when the lights come on and it would make it much easier to find the good ones when the scammers know that it won't be that easy to get over on someone honestly trying to make a real connection. Title: Re: Easy Detective.....lol Post by: soltero on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Easy Detective.....lol, posted by Hoda on Oct 26, 2004
I agree with you on that, the rich crooks are better at it, but their thievery is of a different breed. From what I have found is in SA, there are a lot of good women, and the middle class and above seem to look at stuff like that with distaste. Any one with character would. Not all poor people are of low character but poverty has a way of making those with weaker characters go in directions that they might not have chosen otherwise. I have had less than anybody and more than most at varying points in my life and I have seen many things good, bad and amazing. Political correctness is for those who are comfortable and insulated from reality. I have no problem saying that many poor people will chew through your back pocket to get to your wallet and not care if they break the skin while they are doing it. Caveat Emptor applies to relationships as well. Title: Re: Attachment Blues Post by: kented on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Attachment Blues, posted by Seeker on Oct 26, 2004
The good news is that this was the cheapest way to find out the sad facts. Where in the world does "Gordo" live that they can't be together? Maybe in the US and you were their ticket to get together. Everybody who does this needs to understand that since we are going to improve women's lives, there is always the danger that they will exagerate their feelings for us, or lie outright, just to get to the US. After my divorce, I became much more suspicious and even paranoid about the honesty of the women I dated. If you are as pissed at her as I was at my ex-wife, I suggest you play with her. Don't tell her what you know just yet and ask her questions in E-mails to which you already know the answers. Let her lie for a while and then tell her you had a dream about someone named Gordo. Good luck. Just be thankful you didn't pay for her visa, get her here and then need to go through a divorce and a year of hell. Everyday it feels a little better. Title: Re: Attachment Blues - Wake UP call to everyboddy Post by: YEP on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM Title: Re: Attachment Blues Post by: doombug on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Attachment Blues, posted by Seeker on Oct 26, 2004
[This message has been edited by doombug] Sorry about your situation. Thank you for sharing it, though. This should be a permanent feature of this website--it is an excellent lesson in being extremely cautious with foreign novias. It'll probably make a lot of us open our eyes a little wider. Best of luck in resolving this. Title: Re: Attachment Blues Post by: zack on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Attachment Blues, posted by Seeker on Oct 26, 2004
Gosh Seeker, I'm sorry to hear that. Keep your chin up and don't give up in this endeavor. You will find the right woman. Everyone does who is persistant and doesn't give up. "Be careful out there and proceed with caution." The best advice to give to someone about these trips. Hang in there. Zack Title: Re: Attachment Blues Post by: papi on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Attachment Blues, posted by Seeker on Oct 26, 2004
i am tired and did not translate all the spanish in my head but this does not sound good assuming it is a RECENT LETTER!! if so, sorry man - join the club. the process is not as easy as people seem to think. i have had lots of relationships but for one reason or another cant pull it together either. in Colombia, i would guess somewhere around 25-30% of the woman in agencies are truly not sincere and have ulterior motives. it is a big filtering process and then you have to then make sure the stars line up, chemistry and all when you find one you like, etc. Title: Re: Attachment Blues Post by: buster40 on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM Title: Re: Attachment Blues Post by: david hagar on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Attachment Blues, posted by Seeker on Oct 26, 2004
what does the e-mail say in English? Beattledog Title: English Translation of Attachment Post by: Seeker on October 26, 2004, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Attachment Blues, posted by david hagar on Oct 26, 2004
Gordo you don’t know how much I love you. You are a marvelous person. You mean everything to me. My Love, the only thing I ask is that you never forget me because I will never forget you because you were the first man in my life and you will continue to be so. I love you and I hope all of your projects and desires that you have in mind become reality come what may. My Love the only thing I can tell you is that you can count on my unconditional support because I consider you, even though we don’t have wedding bands, my husband, my couple even though the rest of the world may be opposed and my Love what makes me even more happy is that you believe in my love and I am very certain of yours. I love you with all of my heart. Your sweetheart, XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX Hi Chiquita: |