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Hello fellow gringos,
As I stated earlier, i will be in cali, on the 23 of december and will be statying at LE, Hopefully i will meet a couple of you. The reason i'm posting this is to get a few thoughts of my situation right now. Nothing major, but just to get it out there. I saw one of the girls from the LE site, and requested the information of the female from margaret. She said she couldn't give the information until I had paid for one of their forms of membership. I said okay, and took the Bed and breakfast.(looking back, and learning more since then, i realized I shouldn't have done this, but oh well. you live and learn). After sending payment(via paypal) she stated she would send me the info. After two days, i had not recieved it, and I emailed her asking where was the info. She said she could not give me the girls information, until the latina, came into the agency and saw my profile and decided she was interested or not. I got heated because that's not what she told me in the beginning. I didn't flip out, I said okay, and waited to see the outcome of this. The latina came to the agency(8 days later) and stated she would like to get to know me better, and sent me a video(very nice by the way). I called  her up, and we talked and she seemed real nice. My problem is that on three occasions in the past month and a half, i've called her house and asked for her and whoever answered the phone hung up on me. First time I asked for her, the person said un momento, and after a few seconds, i heard a click and dial tone. I would call back and noone would answer. this happened twice. On the third time about 4 days ago, a female answered and I asked for the latina and the female hesistated and said "ummm....." and then I heard a male voice in the background, and she hung up the phone. Once again I called back and noone answered. I tried twice more, both times no answer. Granted my spanish isn't perfect, and I honestly have no idea whether it was her, her sister or mother who's answering the phone. I called margaret and told her what had happened and she said she would contact the latina and see what the deal is, and in the meantime to send the names of other lainas i'm interested in. Needless to say, i told margaret i'm not going to call this latina no more. For one thing, If she is interested i would expect a little more effort on her part to at least email me, I could understand if she doesn't call for obvious reasons. Sorry for the length, just wanted to put everything out there, for other points of view. take care, and thanks for reading.
Bryan

... in response to just want to get some feedback, posted by chizz on Nov 24, 2003

Chizz,

Your story is a big reason why I prefer to meet ladies in person rather than via phone or email. I'm not saying it is useless to develop some communications prior to your trip. But the hassels that it often brings has made me finally say "the hell with it".

Zack

... in response to just want to get some feedback, posted by chizz on Nov 24, 2003

Bryan,
You contacted the girl,she sounds interesting but it seems there might be alot you don't know.Who is hanging up the phone? A boyfriend or just another family member that doesn't want her to talk to you?
I would go down,meet her,get an explanation of what the hell the  deal is with the phone.If it still seems OK proceed.There are lots of girls down there so don't get too invested in one you have not even met.Meet lots of girls,watch for stories that don't jive,and hopefully find a good one.You can't do it long distance.Plus its so much more fun in person.
Good luck,I might see you down there.I will be there Dec.5 on and intend to check out latin encounters.Lots of interesting girls plus its 6 blocks from where I think I will be living.

Pete

... in response to just want to get some feedback, posted by chizz on Nov 24, 2003

chizz need to talk to you...... email me  ald07@msn.com

... in response to just want to get some feedback, posted by chizz on Nov 24, 2003

There could be lots of things going on here, you will probably never know for sure.  Most of these girls don´t tell their parents what they are doing because they may be a little embarrassed over a marriage agency.  Also her folks may not approve of it, especally if her father is in the picture.

When you start talking you are clearly a gringo and sometimes they think it is a wrong number. I have had this happen to me even under more normal circumstances.

She may have a bad relationship with the folks she lives with and they just hang up to spite her.  When the women don´t have a celluar phone, you can expect this to happen quiet often. More than likely she never finds out that you called. Latin families are some of the most disfunctional I have ever seen.  

If you continue to have communication problems, it is time to find someone else, it is usually just the tip of the iceberg.

... in response to Re: just want to get some feedback, posted by denvermike on Nov 24, 2003

I kind of suspected something like that, you know maybe her family. But I've called before and whoever answered the phone would get her, especially her brother who loves to practice his english when I call. It's amazing how something we take for granted(speaking english) is very desirable to some of the colombians. My main problem is the fact that she's only emailed me once and that was the initial time she saw my profile at the agency.I would expect at least an attempt of some sort, if she is interested. Unfortunately, working in law enforcement I can sense when something is wrong. Even though I like to give the benefit of the doubt, the last time i called was very fishy, and the fact that noone answered when I called right back, is a big problem to me. thanks for the input.
Bryan

... in response to Re: Re: just want to get some feedback, posted by chizz on Nov 24, 2003

Chizz,
 Did you get her direct email address or was it a agency system email address?

... in response to Just a quick question, posted by HeyNow on Nov 26, 2003

She told me she did not have an email address. The email came from the agency, but apparently she wrote the message and used their email address and computer.

... in response to Re: Just a quick question, posted by chizz on Nov 26, 2003

Really?
 Seems a little strange to me.  If she uses a computer (even if she doesn't have her own) it would be highly likely she has an email address.  They are free you know.
If my memory serves me well, every Colombian woman I met had an email address.  They love to email friends and family. If they don't own a computer at home they use the computer at work, school, etc.  Chizz, this seems a little fishy (could be a bait and switch).  If you are still pursuing this woman you might want to ask some questions.  

... in response to Re: Re: Just a quick question, posted by HeyNow on Nov 26, 2003

I think you might know much more about what goes on down there than i do. What exactly is the bait and switch? I do feel she should have access to a  computer, and my biggest gripe was I didn't recieve one email even though she said she was interested.Alot about this situation bothers me, but my thinking now is i'm going to go down there in dec, and just take it from there.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Just a quick question, posted by chizz on Nov 26, 2003

Good thinking, go down to Cali and see it for yourself I am sure you will have a great time.  You might meet the gal you were trying to contact and you two might acheive some common ground.  If you haven't been there before you need to "Git on the plane".  The stories of ChippeChapi mall are the honest truth.
 "Bait and switch" is term used for some scams.  I'll give an example.  I saw an add in the paper for an Infiniti car at a used car lot. It seemed like a good buy.  I called to see if it was still available.  I was assured it was.  I drove to see it and talked to the salesman.  The salesman said, "Just a minute."  He came back and said someone had put a deposit on the car, "would you like to see others." Of course I explained I had called before coming and was told it was available.  His reply, "sorry for the mixup."
I said I will buy it now.  His reply, "can't do it."  This is an example of the "Bait and Switch" scam.  The "Bait" is something you want or desire.  Of course the "Bait"  is unavailable.  Then everything is "Switched".  I think you understand.

... in response to Re: Re: just want to get some feedback, posted by chizz on Nov 24, 2003

She is probably chating up lots of guys on the interent too.

Meeting someone over the internet is difficult at best.

... in response to just want to get some feedback, posted by chizz on Nov 24, 2003

Looks like you are going to have to move on. This one is dead. You have to be willing to cut your losses asap while down there. It seems cold, but you don't have unlimited time and money so you have to remove your 'nice factor' and be about the business of finding someone that is absolutely crazy about you. You are correct about the effort on her part. If she was really interested in you, she would have attempted to contact you. Live and learn.
Wish you the best. How long will you be there?
JSlo

... in response to Re: just want to get some feedback, posted by JSlo on Nov 24, 2003

I feel you are right. The no contact is what is really bothering me. I will be down there from the 23 to the 29th. I stayed in Barranquilla for ten days, and felt that was to long, so i wanted to keep it short. Thanks for the feedback. I feel exactly how you feel, it's just good to hear from someone outside the picture. thanks again.
Bryan

... in response to Re: Re: just want to get some feedback, posted by chizz on Nov 24, 2003

Chizz
 What did you think of Barranquilla? Was irt clean? where did you get
your ticket from and how did you do on price?

Thanks

... in response to what did you think of Barranquilla?, posted by Fuzzyone on Nov 24, 2003

Hello fuzz,
first, i wanted to send a  quick apology for a post I wrote to you earlier, concerning your story. I wasn't trying to be rude, but for some reason, I took it personal that someone would do that to a person. I reacted and posted out of anger, and i am sorry for that. Second, i described my trip in an earlier post(archive 153-re:truth be told), check it out and tell me what you think. One thing about Barranquilla....It's Hotter and humid than anything i've ever experienced. I'm from boston, and we see nothing like that. As far as being clean, I would say I never saw a street cleaner, but I have no complaints about the food. I was just enjoying being in a completly different culture. Wasn't to concerned about safety, I'm a cop, and I know how to handle myself if need be. One time, a day before I was leaving two guys came up to me, and one said in broken english, are you american? Didn't know what they wanted or were up to, So I flipped it on them, and for no reason acted upset, and said firmly "Do you have any money?, answer me..!?" He backed up, and his friends jaw dropped, and he said "vamos!" to his boy while backing up. Then they walked away pretty quickly. I could only smile, and continue my walk. Overall I had a great time, next stop...Cali! take care
Bryan

... in response to Re: what did you think of Barranquilla?, posted by chizz on Nov 24, 2003

I really did not take it personel I needed a butt kicking for doing
something so stupid! It is funny because I am a correction officer from
CT and I can spot a person lying from a mile off but this girl got right
under my radar. Anyway I read your post "truth be told" it was very
interesting thanks for the info. I want to ask you how much were you
paying for these english courses down there?

... in response to Re: Re: what did you think of Barranquil..., posted by Fuzzyone on Nov 24, 2003

I'm glad you understand. She went there for one month, but the reason I sent her there was because of what they claimed to offer. I was on the street in barranquilla, and yelled out to a friend of mine in english, and one of the people who run the school heard me, and knew I was from america, and probably had a novia who didn't speak english. He stated that he was a good christian man, and the people who worked there was also good christian people, and I should come by the school to check it out. A little later, I walked to the school(by this point I was walking everywhere because i felt really comfortable here) and I met one of the insructors. She told me she was from new york, and was working on getting certified. She walked away, and i went inside the school. While I was talking to the man who runs it, I decided to ask if all the instructors were certified...he replied yes...I thought....oh really(red flag). He then stated that at his school, he would be my eyes in barranquilla, and keep an eye on my novia, and report to me not only her progress in school, but if she is playing games and is not serious about me. This is what won me over. I put the payment down for the first month(around $260.00 I believe) and went to the mall with my novia, to buy her a cd player, because she would need it, and a english/spanish dictionary( I had one but gave it to her kid brother). To make a long story short, I asked her if she missed any classes when I got back to the states and she said yes, but the school never told me. The only kind of report I got from the school was one line " ********* is doing fine in class". This was far from the progress reports, test results, and updates He promised he would email at least twice a week. After she stopped going and we stopped talking, The school emails me two weeks into the next month and says "******* has stopped coming, you can only pay us for the first week(about $60.00). Well in no certain terms, I told him exactly what i think about him and his school. I know this is a little more than you asked, but once again, just wanted to get the whole story out. take care.
Bryan

... in response to Re: Re: Re: what did you think of Barran..., posted by chizz on Nov 24, 2003

No thats cool I am always interested in hearing the whole story. It is too
bad that it did not work out but at least you found out down there and
not here like me. That was some money to spend on english classes. It is
interesting that you felt comfortable enough to go every where. Anyways
I figured you could not be half bad sine we both are in law enforement.
By the way good luck in Cali you should be able to find that special girl
from what I read you can dance good so the worlds your oyster down
there.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: what did you think of Ba..., posted by Fuzzyone on Nov 25, 2003

thanks for the kind words. Yes, I had no problem or concern about safety in Barrenquilla. In fact, they appeared to be a little in awe of gringos. I still think barranquilla is newer than cali to this kind of thing. The appointments I had with women were fine, they all showed up on time. I might go back later, but I want to try cali first. take care, and thanks.
Bryan

... in response to Re: what did you think of Barranquilla?, posted by chizz on Nov 24, 2003

Speaking of the heat in Barranquilla, those who might be planning a trip in the next few months will find that is more comfortable this time of year due to "las brisas" or the breezes.  These are just strong breezes that come off the ocean, and always occur late November through January, more or less.
Great job handling the two guys.

... in response to Re: Re: just want to get some feedback, posted by chizz on Nov 24, 2003

Shoot me an email. I'd like to compare notes with you.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: just want to get some feedba..., posted by JSlo on Nov 24, 2003

Sure, what's your address?

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: just want to get some fe..., posted by chizz on Nov 24, 2003

js1025@hotmail.com. chat with you soon.