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While we are waiting for the fiancee VISA. It has been almost 4 months since the application I am having my novia get some cosmetic surgery (breast augmentation and saddle bag lipo).

Have any of you done this for your novias/wives?

What were the results.

It is costing about $2K.

... in response to Cosmetic Surgery, posted by elcolombiano on Nov 6, 2003

I would be VERY  sure of the girl.Otherwise you could just be improving her market value for her to replace you.
But if you are VERY sure,go for it.Hopefully you will have many years enjoying the results.

Pete

... in response to Re: Cosmetic Surgery, posted by Pete E on Nov 7, 2003

After my previous experience I will never be sure about anything again. However I like this woman and believe her to be serious. I hope it works out.

... in response to Cosmetic Surgery, posted by elcolombiano on Nov 6, 2003

[This message has been edited by DallasSteve2]

C:

I remember my ex begged me for breast augmentation while she was waiting in Bogota for the visa.  I made her wait until 10 months after she arrived on a return trip to Colombia.  

I had the backbone to say "Later", and I was crazy in love with her, and she lobbied hard for the money.  You can do it, too.  You're not going to lose her if you say "Later".

Steve

... in response to Later not sooner, posted by DallasSteve2 on Nov 6, 2003

I am the one the asked for the surgery, not her.

... in response to I am the one that asked for the surgery, posted by elcolombiano on Nov 7, 2003

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... in response to I am the one that asked for the surgery, posted by elcolombiano on Nov 7, 2003

I am assuming that she gave subtle hints about the surgery before you asked her for it. Otherwise, I would think that most ladies would be offended if someone recommended that her breasts be enlarged.

Zack

... in response to Re: I am the one that asked for the surg..., posted by zack on Nov 7, 2003

She never gave me any hints she wanted the surgery. She was not offended I suggested it.

... in response to Cosmetic Surgery, posted by elcolombiano on Nov 6, 2003

what is wrong with you, dude?!

you had real problems with a 'golddigger' before, right?

and isn't this current fiancee the one who asked you to pay-off a huge family phone bill? you've already expressed concern about her need for money from you.

what makes you think you know her enough, are committed enough, or that she really loves you enough, to spend all that money?

i hope she is a real super beauty, because something is making your head spin!

... in response to Cosmetic Surgery, posted by elcolombiano on Nov 6, 2003

Just thought I'd add my experience to the subject.............
I paid $4K about 5 years ago for my soon-to-be-ex's tummy tuck and some associated abdominal lipo.  Her body was wrecked from childbirth, so it was an improvement - but not extreme.  I paid $5K about 3 years ago for a new rack (inserted through an incision made under the breast, in the crease, over the muscle, saline).  This doctor did an outstanding job, I was impressed.  I think she made the right choice not to get the extremely big ones - more natural.  Lifespan is an estimated 10-15 years before they require replacement.
And now they are being regularly enjoyed by a fat, ugly, drunk, illegal mexican....
Not that I'm bitter or anything....;)
I also concur with the board consensus.........Maybe better saved for a return trip to Cali.....

... in response to a comparison to US costs......., posted by gkdrummer on Nov 6, 2003


I have mentioned this before but thought it might be worth saying again.  I spoke with a plastic surgeon last year in Guadalajara regarding breast implants.  He said that there were three methods of inserting the silicone implants into the breast.  Entry points are underneath the breast at the fold line, making a smaller cut around the areola, or in the armpit.  He never mentioned the navel as an access point.  He felt that the implant should definitely be placed under the muscle tissue because of sagging problems if positioned over the muscle tissue.  I can't imagine how painful it would be to have small cuts into the breast or armpit and then having a silicone implant poked in. Ouch!

Okay, with that said, I like to express a personal opinion regarding a woman who desires breast implants.  I know a few Latinas that told me they wanted a boob job and that they were determined to get them sooner or later.  You know what I thought?  I would scratch them off my list for a potential wife wondering about their motivation for getting such an operation.  (BTW, these ladies were not flat chested but they felt a need for much larger breasts than what they came equipped with.)  What was influencing their decision?  Was it the media, present day culture, comparison to other well endowed ladies, poor self image, what?  

Personally, I would want a lady who was happy with herself and not one who felt the need to be noticed by men for the size of their rack. Call me a little old fashion or a prude if you like but I would rather have my future lady content with herself and all natural.  I mentioned this to two of the ladies and they responded by basically saying, "I'm getting them regardless of what anyone thinks, and that includes a novio or espouso".  Not my kind of lady.  

As one Brasilian poster would say, Próxima! (Next!)

Pablo  

... in response to Re: a comparison to US costs......., posted by pablo on Nov 6, 2003

My novia does'nt have much of a "rack". I asked her if I paid for it if she would do it. She told me it was something she always wanted to do, so we are planing to do it.

... in response to I asked her to do it, posted by elcolombiano on Nov 7, 2003

That changes things entirely.She is doing it because you want her to.It was not her idea.
So you are not heading down the wrong road I don't think.Hope you enjoy them!

Pete

... in response to I asked her to do it, posted by elcolombiano on Nov 7, 2003

El,
   I really would advice her against this. I know a lot of girls that had it done and were originally thrilled. But they pose lots of problems down the line. Though most girls eventually have regrets, they are afraid to take them out and face what their breast will look like if they did,because of the stretching of the skin due to implants.So basicly once they have them, they are stuck with them whether they like it or not.
  I think sometimes we men force women to seek perfection to satisfy us. Though she may also want them, she should feel secure enough with your love for her and her body to realize she does not need them.
 Funny thing is, most men would probably get mad if a lady looked at our private parts and asked us to have it enhanced because it was her prefference. There is nothing wrong with a woman who has a small chest. My last girlfriend was a very cute A/B cup and I loved them even though I usually would have considered myself a breast man.
   I never realized so many latinas were into cosmetic surgery.I thought it was just Americans.
      Mark

... in response to a comparison to US costs......., posted by gkdrummer on Nov 6, 2003

Your costs were for surgery done in the US or in Colombia?

Steve

PS: I loved your "Not that I'm bitter or anything" comment.  I don't know who's enjoying mine now and I don't care.  There's a whole lot of trouble attached to them (I sure hope she still reads this board) ;-)

... in response to Clarify please, posted by DallasSteve2 on Nov 6, 2003

Steve,

The prices I listed were paid in Sarasota FL.  Unlike most of the other posts I've read, she really had a dramatic change with the procedure - think National-Geographic-Pancake-before and nice-medium-sized-rack after, plus the skin tone (re stretchmarks) was markedly improved.
Yeah, I had to throw the "bitter" remark in!  As with everyone, there's a long story behind our 20 year marraige - but 3 words pretty much sum it up:  narcissist & nice guy.
The good thing is that I am very doubtful that I will ever fall into that trap again, and that I am still young enough to have a lot of time with the right woman, once I find her.  Me encanto las latinas and there are certainly plenty in Florida. I have my son to consider for the next 7 years, but after that I may even consider the ex-pat route.  I think CaliPro hit the nail on the head when he said "Bring her to the US and she will live like a queen, or move to Cali and you will live like a king"

... in response to Re: Clarify please, posted by gkdrummer on Nov 7, 2003

[This message has been edited by mar33]

Haven't seen many examples of AM bringing their ladies to the U.S. and her being a Queen:) In fact many the  oppsite. I've seen women very lonely and wanting to go back home. I've seen others shocked the men they are with did not have the money they pretended to have. While some are working at jobs far beneath their educational level . Calipro's brought his wife over here and had her work at hooters. She was ok with it, but that is still work.
 To me, being a Queen means living like one. Just as an AM being a King in S America means,great house or condo(very cheap)servants,guards,spending money freely, living the good life,and being thought of by the locals as something special:).
  I know of only two women (Russian) who married very wealthy men and were actually living the life anyone would envy.No work,credit cards the works. Unfortunately,both were scamming and left after 2 years with quite a bit of money.
   I guess he means a Queen in her choices of men. For that I will agree.Once here, she may quickly realize she can upgrade to younger,handsomer or richer men.
  I watched the show "Average Joe" the other night. Initially, the girl is very dissapointed to have met the "bachelors" even though she clearly stated looks were not important to her.But before she met the men, another man had come out of the limo(model type) to tell her her potential suitors would arrive soon. She was swooning at this guy and jokingly saying"Please come back" as he went back to the Limo.
  Well, some news program reported she actually walked off the set after she met the "Average guys" (some nice,some total shallow Hals)and had to be persuaded back onto the set.
   From previews it seems she actually starts having a great time with the guys,and seems to actually like a few. I think  she makes out with a couple of them. But there is a twist in the previews. The twist I think is later as she gets closer to the "Average Joe", they introduce some hunks to the mix and therefore see what happens once she has more of a choice with the type of men who probably represent the "dream men" of most women.Also, how honest are women when they say looks do not matter. Interesteing to see what happens.

... in response to Re: Re: Clarify please, posted by mar33 on Nov 7, 2003

Thanks for the update on Average Joe.  I hadn't heard that rumor (that she wanted to walk off the set), but you can definitely believe it from the way her facial expression changed when she saw the men stepping off the bus.  I hope you're right about the surprise of adding some hunks.  I read there will be a surprise twist this week.  Interesting, indeed.

Steve

... in response to Average Joe, posted by DallasSteve2 on Nov 7, 2003

It was interesting she eliminated 4 guys and she kept all the chubby guys.

... in response to Re: Average Joe, posted by HeyNow on Nov 8, 2003

That surprised me, too.  I expected the large guys to be the first out the door.  Maybe some girls like fat guys?

Steve

... in response to Re: Re: Average Joe, posted by DallasSteve2 on Nov 8, 2003

I think she was then trying to prove that she is really not shallow at all.She had stated from the very begining looks did not matter so  she had something to prove:)
           I heard she got a good talking to after she ran off the set after the initial meeting with the guys. Apparently, NBC had another girl there ready to take her place if she walked off .She probably is getting paid well and did not want to blow her TV chances.

        It looked like she purposely eliminated the better of the average Joe's either to prove to the audience she is not shallow, or to screw with the studio's head for doing this to her:).
   Come on, some of the guys she kept had pretty bad teeth or a bad case of roseacea.Some were actually a bunch a bunch of alcholics. Did you see how much booze one of the fat guys was pouring down his throat. Great for a frat party. But if you are in your 30's 40's looking for a girl above your league, not a good move. Especially on a reality show, because she will eventually see you are a bigger idiot than the good-looking men she complains about.
     After her initial reaction to the good-looking guy and the look on her face when she saw the "Average Joe's" looks DO matter to her,but she is trying real hard to prove otherwise .
   That Indian guy she kept is also a real odd-ball.Most women would have run like hell after an encounter with this guy.I guess she did not want to look like she descriminates on race either. So she kept him:) Not only is he full of himself,but the few minutes she got to spend with him, he actually asked her if she liked broccoli. What kind of line is that? Plus, he never smiles.
   I'm gonna watch.This show is very interesting.
             Mark

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Average Joe, posted by mar33 on Nov 8, 2003

I saw that fat guy in the pool with somebody pooring alcohol down his throat.  Like you mentioned he's no teenager.  At his age that's a real good way to shorten your lifespan.

Steve

... in response to Cosmetic Surgery, posted by elcolombiano on Nov 6, 2003

Elcolombiano your decision brings back a painful memory of what happened to me when I was new to Colombia and naive.
My Calena and I had the visa papers rolling. In the meantime, she wanted a nose job. I didn't think she needed one, but whatever makes her happy. I payed to have it done in Cali. After the surgery she gradually became more aloof to the point where we broke up a few weeks later. She got what she wanted. I would wait until after you're married if I were you.

But if you decide to have it done, I would choose the implants that are beneath the pectoralis muscles. They are inserted thru incisions in her armpits, thus the breasts are completely scar-free. My EX American girlfriend had this done and they looked totally real. I didn't think they felt very real though.

Zack

... in response to Careful, elco..., posted by zack on Nov 6, 2003

She is having it done under the pecteral musceles. She tried looking for a surgeon that insurts under the arm but she could not find one she liked. The cut will be around the areola. Several of her sisters freinds have had it done this way and are very happy with the results. She is using the same surgeon they used.

... in response to Re: Careful, elco..., posted by elcolombiano on Nov 7, 2003

EC,

Careful, I've dated many Calenas that had this done via the areola and a large majority of them had lost sensitivity in one or both of their breasts.  Some to the point where it was no longer sexually pleasurable or even painful.  Just something to think about. -TNC

... in response to Re: Re: Careful, elco..., posted by thundernco on Nov 7, 2003

My preference is not through the areola but through the under arm. We have had trouble finding a surgeon we like with experience with this method. I spoke with a surgeon in the US that told me when the womans sensation is affected the nerves grow back but it takes about a year. I don not know if this is true or not. I need to research this further.

... in response to Re: Re: Careful, elco..., posted by thundernco on Nov 7, 2003

You are correct. I have read about this. I have been told the nerves will regenerate in about a year if this is a problem. I have had trouble finding a surgeon that will do it under the arm that has good recomendations.

... in response to Careful, elco..., posted by zack on Nov 6, 2003

actualy, the best place for the incision is through the belly button, no scars, and a lot less pain and brusing. they also have new tear-drop style breast inplants that look more natural.

... in response to Re: Careful, elco..., posted by mudd on Nov 6, 2003

The tear drop shape is good when it is above the muscle. For the below the muscele the pecteral muscle compreses the implant making it look tear drop in shape

... in response to Re: Careful, elco..., posted by mudd on Nov 6, 2003

Mudd you must be joking. The small incision size is possible since the implants are typically inflated after they are inserted. But from the naval to the breasts?? That is a lot of tunneling. And you say that is less painful? Sounds like a lot more post-op pain to me.

I have never heard of that. And I doubt they can go beneath the pec muscles with that approach. The teardrop shape would not look more real if they were not implanted deeper, below the pec muscles. Who cares of they are teardrop shaped if you can see the outer contours?

Zack

... in response to Re: Re: Careful, elco..., posted by zack on Nov 6, 2003

I have seen adds on internet sites from doctors that go in the belly button and then under the pectoral musceles. I have also read that the tunneling from the belly button to the breast can leave permanent V marks and there is also a high risk of infection

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Careful, elco..., posted by elcolombiano on Nov 7, 2003

Wow. Sounds like a difficult and long procedure. They probably need to cut thru the pec muscles to do the deep approach, which would make recovery more difficult. It would leave the breasts scar-free, but it wouldn't be my first choice if I were the lady.

Zack

... in response to Re: Careful, elco..., posted by mudd on Nov 6, 2003

Through the belly button?  Is that true, or is this a joke.  How can you get implants into the breast with an incision the size of a belly button.  And even if the incision is larger, it's a long way from the navel to the breast.  What am I missing here?

Steve

... in response to Cosmetic Surgery, posted by elcolombiano on Nov 6, 2003

A friend of mine AW had breast augement surgery a few years ago. The results were not too great. She wants them redone,but does not think well of many doctors in the U.S.  I hear there are  great doctors in Colombia who do excellent work. Does anyone have any reccomendations of who is considered the best in that field? I will pass the information along to her.
     Thank you,

... in response to Re: Cosmetic Surgery..best breast doctor..., posted by mar33 on Nov 6, 2003

I will let you guys no how my novias surgery goes and if I can recomend the docter.

... in response to Re: Cosmetic Surgery..best breast doctor..., posted by mar33 on Nov 6, 2003

If your looking for a Dr. in Cali I know  and met an excellent one. Trained in the USA... did his internship in NY and his plastic surgeon residency in California. about 800-1k for boobs.

... in response to Re: Re: Cosmetic Surgery..best breast do..., posted by Craig on Nov 6, 2003

If you do not want to write his name on this list, please send the info to my email  markme143@nospam.com. Thanks alot.
       

... in response to Cosmetic Surgery, posted by elcolombiano on Nov 6, 2003


Hello Elcolombiano,

This is unsolicited advice but are you sure you want to send money to your novia for cosmetic surgery?  I recommend that you not send any money, especially for breast augmentation and lipo.  Regardless of the pros and cons of a woman who wants and receives this type of operation you got burnt before by another novia "gold digger who only stayed 38 days" with you visiting on a tourist visa.  I would let your new relationship develop and later after marriage if you both feel the same way, she can have this operation on a return visit to Cali.  

Pablo

... in response to Re: Cosmetic Surgery, posted by pablo on Nov 6, 2003

Maybe it is good advise but I am impatient

... in response to Maybe good advise, posted by elcolombiano on Nov 7, 2003


EC,

You might be impatient to get this surgery done for your lady but how would you define it if the relationship fizzles later.  Boob benefactor?

Don't you be the boob and send the money.  Patience is a virtue, premature teta operations are not.  There is always time for this operation after the wedding on a return trip to Cali.  

Make it a post wedding gift if you both still want to have it done at a later time.  BTW, when is the big day?

Pablo

... in response to Re: Maybe good advise, posted by pablo on Nov 7, 2003

1. Orthodontal work
2. Breast surgery
3. Driving lesons
4. Visa expenses
5. Airfare
6. English lesons

It is very expensive to bring these ladies hear. I can't do it half heartedly. Its a risk I have to take. I think of it as an investment. I have lost a lot more in the stock market. If you are married a while and she divorces you these expenses are nothing!

... in response to Its an expensive venture, posted by elcolombiano on Nov 8, 2003

I take it all back. If you want to get your soon to be wife some cosmetic surgery, then by all means you should do it. God know it will cost you a lot more in the states.. Have fun!

... in response to Re: Cosmetic Surgery, posted by pablo on Nov 6, 2003

And consider potential future implications - for example if bambinos may be in the future the augmentation is a BAD idea.

... in response to Re: Re: Cosmetic Surgery, posted by cancunhound on Nov 6, 2003

Forget the health implications. That should have nothing to do with your decision. And DONT use that as an excuse for not sending the money. She will see right through that. Be straight with her. It is a little too early to be sending for surgery, you want to wait till your married.

... in response to Cosmetic Surgery, posted by elcolombiano on Nov 6, 2003

I paid about $2 K to have my ex's breasts enlarged in Colombia.  Results were spectacular to look at (but she had a nice set before she started).  However, she didn't like me to touch them much because of discomfort.  That discomfort lasted for the next year until she left.  They were done over the muscle through incisions around the areola.

My wife wants a set now, but I'm mostly concerned about how they hold up over the years.  When I posted this question before the feedback makes me think that this is a repeating expense.  In other words, about every 5 years you have to trade them in for a new model.  Does this sound like planned obsolesence so the doctors can get more business?

Steve

... in response to Cosmetic Surgery, posted by elcolombiano on Nov 6, 2003

I would wait untill you get her in your arms before you buy her new tits. Because you can bet your novia has got someone on the side while she is waiting for that fiancee visa. That someone is going to be reaping the benefits of your investment during the wait.

But if you are going to do it, I would make sure you get the best surgeon down there. 2 grand sounds a little cheap for lipo and breast augmentation and you don't want her tits to be lumpy. In reality, the lipo is a little more risky because sometimes it comes out bad and it also involves a lot of therapy after the surgery to insure that is looks good. If your novia is lazy and doesnt do the after surgery work, which involves going to a clinic and getting massages every day, it will not come out right. The best hospitals in Cali are Valle de Lili and Imbanaco try to get the things done there.

... in response to Re: Cosmetic Surgery, posted by CaliAdvisor on Nov 6, 2003

You have no right to state "you can bet your novia has got someone on the side"

Your comments are offensive.

... in response to Caliadvisor is a mean spirited person, posted by elcolombiano on Nov 7, 2003

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. You should take advice from third parties and stop wearing your heart on your sleeve. I don't really care if my comments offend you, they are designed to bring you back to reality because you have obviously lost all touch with the subject. Or maybe you just don't care, and you will do anything to hang on to this Caleña. You said before to Pete E that "I think she is serious". You THINK??? Maybe you should KNOW before you go throwing money around.

... in response to Cosmetic Surgery, posted by elcolombiano on Nov 6, 2003

One of my friends did.We were talking this week.He said he bought a set of t!ts for another guy.This girl really wanted to do it,he paid for it,then they broke up.I told him some other guy is probably all over them right now.
Several friends have done this.They all look good.One I even got to feel!Felt fine to me.
Of course I'm butt man but a good set is nice also.One of my friends really likes to show his wife off.She does look good.
And the beauty of it,well in more than one way,is the cost.Its cheap in Colombia.Maybe 10-20 % of here.
I'm going to do a little of it as soon as I hit Cali(well,not T!TS).

Pete