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As most of you know, I am outta here pretty quick. I am leaving a new business in good hands. It's something that I think is somewhat unique. As I have been saying, "old idea, new concept."
Come by the site and take look. It's not quite finished. I need to finish up a few more features inside the member's section, but it's not bad. (Well, I think it's not bad.) I am not going to be running the day to day operations of this business, but I have good people working on this.
My thinking about the marriage agency websites is the lack of good photos of the girls. I mean, you get one little old photo and that photo was taken when she came into sign up for the agency. No makeup, hair in a ponytail, flannel shirt, jeans, etc. I mean, everyone says  that women from Cali are the best looking in the World, so I give them a chance to look that way. Thier best. The best agency with photos thus far, in my opinion, is Latin Encounters. I think it's kind of shameful to be charging $30 or $40 for an E-book. I make those things and $20, $30, or $40 is way too much. I think it's kind of overpriced to charge someone $15 for translation for one page and each additional page is $12. I have a problem with charging as much as $140 for 10 addresses then you have to pay for the postage to Colombia on top of that. Then  if you don't get a response, you never know if the girl ever got the letter or she just didn't respond back. The other thing, there is no such thing as "reliable" postal service in Colombia. So, if you are lucky and the girl does write you back, it took her two weeks to receive the letter and if she responds the same day, it'll take two weeks to get you the response. At the minimum. IF you get it at all. The alternative is to pay $20 or so bucks to Fed Ex to send a letter. Well, if you bought 10 address $20 a pop starts to add up. Hence, my little project..............
CaliCita.Com
The whole idea is to have some fun at finding someone special and not break your wallet doing it. I even have a one week service offer for a pretty cheap price. You can try it out and see if you like it before you get to the "big" money. This I encourage.
Well, just come by and see what you think. And if you are a ebmaster I have a pretty good affilliation program.
Ok, gotta go back to work.
Talk to you guys later.
K

... in response to Ok, ok, here goes., posted by Traveller on Nov 3, 2003

Eleven beautiful girls. Avg. age: 21.6.

So few, so young.

Sigh.

... in response to Ok, ok, here goes., posted by Traveller on Nov 3, 2003

Keith,
I was talking to John B tonight.I told him about your web site.He pulled it up while we were talking.He said my god there is my old girl friend (and his best friends ex fiance).
Yep,thats her.I met her when she was 17 and never gave her a thought.Just a kid.Told her I was looking for 35 not 17.But John and Howard were more impressed.I still remember her working out on the quadracepts machine (butt in the air)at the latin love gym.My friend Lee said you are missing a great effect.
Small world,particularly in regards to guys who go to Cali.

Pete

... in response to Ok, ok, here goes., posted by Traveller on Nov 3, 2003

I believe that any agency will do well if it adheres to the fundamentals of solid introductions at a fair price, and doesn't jump into the price gouging for extra services - word will spread, I hope your venture is a success.

... in response to Ok, ok, here goes., posted by Traveller on Nov 3, 2003

Well, the women on your web site look pretty nice. I like your idea but I have a hard time picturing these women sitting around writing e-mails to guys they have never met in person for a very long time. How about you add the walk up service. Somebody hands your manager say $150 cash. She calls the girl up and asks her to come down to the office. The guy talks to the girl for ten minutes and finds out something in ten minutes what he can't find out in 10 monthes of writing, if there is a physical attraction on both their parts. Go ahead and give the girl $50 bucks for her time and you keep the $100. Of course I wouldn't tell the guys I was giving the girls a the $50. They'll think its a racket. But, some guys think the marriage agencies are a racket. At least your girls will show up at your place and probably even be on time.

Sure some guys will say that they are coming just for the money but then I have heard guys say women show up at the marriage agencies for a free lunch. You can't win one way or the other.

To me nothing is more frustrating at the agencies than to see a really nice looking women on the books and never be able to meet her because she never shows up. I say just let me get my licks in. I don't care if you pay them a $100 to meet me. If they can talk to me for thirty minutes and not want to go out with me then at least I took a stab at it. Nothing ventured nothing gained.

Tell you what if you start the walk up service I'll be your first customer.

... in response to A helpfull suggestion. , posted by Calipro on Nov 3, 2003

Have you ever tried offering the manager a tip to work on a reluctant lady?  And maybe asked the manager to split it with the woman you want to meet?  I don't know how this would come off.  I've tipped the people in the agency that make the phone calls when I was leaving town.  But looking back maybe it would be better to do it up front.

... in response to Have you tried this?, posted by Miguel on Nov 4, 2003

I have offered good tips to the ladies in the agencies if they can get me a cita with a few of the very attractive ladies fast. The real lookers are always busy and or hard to get a hold of. The girls really have to  keep calling and calling them. I have tipped up to 100,000 pesos if they get me a date within 24 hours and she keeps it. If it takes 2 or 3 days forget it. Time in cali is to valuable to waste.

I don't think the ladies have ever given part of their tip to the ladies to show up but I guess it's possible.

... in response to Re: Have you tried this?, posted by Calipro on Nov 4, 2003

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... in response to A helpfull suggestion. , posted by Calipro on Nov 3, 2003

If there is a hot babe in the books and she doesn't show up, sure that proves she isn't interested. That is good to know. Move on. If she shows up, for 50 bucks, and she does go out with you, there is a great chance it would be because of dollar signs.

Gee, if you were a hot babe and some guy just paid 150 bucks to talk to you for 10 minutes, he might as well paint a bulls eye on his head. How can I guy that paid that, not send down 200 bucks when her mom gets "sick".

... in response to What?, posted by Ralph on Nov 4, 2003

How do you know that they are not interested in YOU until you meet them?

I'm sure there are some real hotties that already have three boyfriends and are thinking they don't have time for one more. If you never meet them how are you ever going to take them away from all that.

Like I said I have already paid at least $133 to meet one girl. If you join an agency for $400 and there are only three women you think are knock outs thats $133.33 a women.The only difference is they don't see any of it. That's why they are late and or it takes two days to get a hold of them.

I say introduce me to women that I really, really want to meet. I don't care what their initial motivation is. If they talk to me for thirty minutes and aren't interested so be it. But, if they decide to go out then I know they have some real interest because I'm not going to pay them a thing.

I know there are guys out there that think women at the agencies go out for free drinks and dinner. Well they maybe right but I've never met any. The hotties get free drinks and dinner form guys the really WANT to go out with so why would they bother going out with someone they are not.

My philosophy on women and money is simple. I firmly believe that women don't have a lot of control (especially caleñas) over who they are attacted to sexually. There should be no need to give them a dime initially. When you are going out with them in Cali you will pay for everything including their taxi fare. Also you will give them a few mil pesos to get back home. At this point in the relationship she shouldn't be asking for anything and you shouldn't be offering. The two of you will be going out and having a great time enjoying each others company what more could she want.

The girl you have been going out with over the past three of four days is a knock out, she is one of the models you paid $150 to meet or one of the top three at the agency that you waited days to meet. She has been going out with you every night and or day and is easy to reach and even calls your hotel. There is mutual chemistry on both your parts and you haven't given her a dime.

Well that night the two of you go out and the both of you get a little drunk. At the end of the night she comes back and you have SEX! At this point you are completely satitisfied with her or NOT and she is completely satisfied with you or NOT. If she is living at home she may have to leave right after sex don't worry (common problem). If she is independent she will leave in the morining.

At this point you have to decide if you really want this woman. If she wasn't every thing you dreamed she would be I would suggest that you dump her right then because you still haven't given her a dime and it will get tougher down the road. But, there is still the question what did she think of you. Well, you are going to have to call her. She should be easy to reach  because she should be waiting for your call or she has already called you. Anyway after you talk to her there should be no doubt in your mind that she is dying to see you as soon as posible. It doesn't matter if her aunt died. You'll be with her at the wake (it happened to me once).

So the two of you are happier than hell with each other and she should be sleeping with you in the afternoon (I think thats what siestas were made for) and or at night. This is where it starts to get complicated. In your mind you have consummated the relationship but in her mind you haven't. You haven't bought her anything she really wants yet!! At this point you are her "novio" and she is going to associate  this type of relationship with a guy that is going to take care of her. She has things she is going to need and want. She doesn't have the money to buy them so who is going to buy them? YOU ARE!!! So get used to it.

All in all it's not a bad deal. Because relatively speaking for the money you will have made her 10 times happier than you could make any girl here. She should be easy to reach and talks to you and writes often. She should be waiting for you at the airport and be available and ready anytime you are. Plus she is the super model girl friend you always wanted.

Remember this isn't for everybody. Sure there are guys that don't send or send very little money to their girlfriends and fiancees. But, then again they are hooked up with 30 year old women with children. They don't have and competition from colombianos because they don't want them. You on the other hand will have a hot babe that any colombiano would die for. So you are going to have to treat her accordingly and of course bring her to the States so she can reach her true potential.

Just to let you guys know, I have kept model quality women hanging on for months for as little as $150 a month. Hell, just skip one friday afternoon with the guys at the topless bar and you will have saved enought money to pay for girlfriend in Cali. If you don't have $150 dollars to save. Get a 12 hour lease on a cab. Anybody can make a $150 driving a cab in 12 hours. Do it on your day off if you have to.

Oh, one more thing if she is ever the least bit cold to you on the phone or doesn't return your e-mails promptly, she found herself a better deal So don't send the cash!! It happens sometimes. Long distance relationships are tough. The bottom line is she has to have faith in you.

... in response to Re: What?, posted by Calipro on Nov 4, 2003

When you are pursuing an attractive woman (w/o kids) there will ALWAYS be competition.  If you don't believe it, I have a bridge I will sell you.

... in response to Re: What?, posted by Calipro on Nov 4, 2003

If a woman already has 3 novios, I'm not interested. I am not looking for competition, or to take her away from all that.
If she makes time in her busy schedule between 3 other guys, for a few bucks, I am not interested. So what happens when she is dating you, you go back home, she is now dating 4 guys. 3 Colombianos and YOU. You have been there before, no? I know you posted that she was with you 24-7 for 2 weeks or whatever. Big deal. You aren't the first guy that bought that act.

So now you have a woman that is certainly motivated primarily by money. If she was not very happy with her 3 guys, she might have been interested in meeting you, but if it takes 50 bucks.. . . . . . .

Plus, Karma baby. While you are back stateside, somebody else goes down and pays 150 bucks to meet her. You are out of town, and she can blow off the other 3, as she has already. Hey, 50 bucks is 50 bucks;-)

You also have a girl that has shown you VERY clearly that she will jump at any better offers. You might be cool with that, but most wouldn't.

It is obvious that none of that matters if the sex is good and she's hot. That is fine, but most guys are way different. Of course you seem to think they are crazy because they have a woman in her 30s with kids.

As far as knowing the first time you have sex if you are "completely satisfied" with her. Both of my exes and my current novia were "ok" the first few times. Not for lack of effort or any attitudes towards sex, but because they were all more romantic. The more romantic our relationships evolved, the better the sex became. Less inhibition and because they were making love to the person they REALLY love, not having sex with
numero 4, things get WAY better.

Not to get too graphic, but I have had women that at first require a decent amount of work to orgasm. Not more than average, but a few minutes etc.

These same women later on can get incredibly horny talking on the phone, and a minute of foreplay and they are going crazy. Why? Because they are in love. This isn't just great sex, it is great sex with the person you really love. Nothing can beat that.

I knew one girl that didn't believe that it was possible to orgasm more than once. Later on she would reach well into double digits on occasion.

I have also had some incredible sex with women I just met.
I do mean INCREDIBLE SEX.
Usually that was because they had much experience and few inhibitions. While I can recall a ton of great sexual encounters, they ALL really pale compared to MAKING LOVE to the woman that you love.

... in response to Re: What?, posted by Calipro on Nov 4, 2003

To newbies:

If you are sure that you are going to be spending several weeks in Cali or Bogota meeting women then follow CaliPro's advice and buy that $400 membership.  However, if you, like most men, will probably not spend more than 1 week in any 1 agency checking out the women then send me $200 and I will get you a one week membership in a fine Cali or Bogota introduction agency.  Even if you've got CaliPro standards and only find 3 women that make the cut, your cost per babe comes down to $66.  And you will have my sincerest gratitude.

Steve

... in response to What?, posted by Ralph on Nov 4, 2003

I agree completely.

Steve

... in response to A helpfull suggestion. , posted by Calipro on Nov 3, 2003

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CaliPro

Most guys don't want to pay $100 for a one week membership in Cali.  He's not going to have much business charging $150 just to meet one girl in Cali?

Reminds me of the joke about the guy selling pencils for $10,000 each.  Another fellow says "You're not going to sell very many pencils for $10,000."  He replies "I only need to sell one".

Steve

... in response to He should charge how much?, posted by DallasSteve2 on Nov 3, 2003

I have paid $100 to meet one girl. If you pay $400 to join a marriage agency and there are only four women that you are interested in that's $100 each and it took me days to meet them.

It seems to me that if you have really desirable women that a guy might be willing to spend $150 to meet her. I know I would.

I know a girl, is a girl, is a girl. NOT!

Some of us have preferances.

... in response to Re: He should charge how much?, posted by Calipro on Nov 3, 2003

CaliPro

What you (1 person) are willing to pay is not very important if someone wants to have a "going concern".  He has to target a much larger client base and I think $150 per woman is going to shut his doors very fast.

What's the normal rate for a one week agency membership in Cali?  I've read here that it's around $100 per week.  If that's true very few guys are going to pay $150 to meet one woman when they can meet 10 or 20 women for $100 (which is par for the course in one week at an agency if you don't have CaliPro standards).  

If you want to meet a beautiful girl for $150 in Cali there are plenty of options and you'll get a lot more than just a handshake.

Steve

... in response to Not buying it, posted by DallasSteve2 on Nov 3, 2003

You are probably right but if you brought her here then that would make you a pimp.

Anyway I think the marriage agencies don't really charge enough for the service they provide. Before I would even think about opening a marriage agency in Cali. I would try to get all the agency owner's together so we could all raise the prices. Yes, I would have to start a new Cali cartel. There is no way I would ever deal with the guys that go down there for $400 a year NO WAY!

... in response to Re: Not buying it, posted by Calipro on Nov 3, 2003

I suppose Colombia has no anti-trust laws like the US.  Your idea sounds like a good one, but still your problem would be that eventually some wildcatter would come in and undercut your prices like WalMart.  Then if he doesn't want to play ball are you going to "rub him out"?  A lot of people in Colombia would, but I can't live that way.

Steve

... in response to No Sherman Antitrust in Colombia, posted by DallasSteve2 on Nov 4, 2003

I don't know if there are any anti-trust laws in Colombia but I'm pretty sure that they aren't enforced even if there are. If I opened up a marriage agency in Cali I would hire Russians to run it. The prices would go up but the women would be better looking at least in my agency anyway. Oh, and there wouldn't be any wildcatters my russian comrads would see to that. hehehehe!

... in response to Re: No Sherman Antitrust in Colombia, posted by Calipro on Nov 4, 2003

That was a good one.

Steve

... in response to Re: Not buying it, posted by Calipro on Nov 3, 2003

When Bud started Latin Love in 1999 he was the first I know of to have no fees,just pay for the room.Now the rooms were expensive,he started a $100 a night then I think it got down in the $50-$60 range before he closed it.And you got a great place to stay.If you stayed there 21 days like me it added up.But for a short stay you were way ahead of the fee places.Latin Connections used to charge $1000 to walk in the door.Ed Beckwith wasn't too happy with Bud I don't think.
Now I think the best deal is just walk in the door and negotiate.By the day week or introduction.
Thats what got the Two Gringos pissed off enough to write the book and start the web site.They paid $1000 each to some whoesaler that didn't even have an agency to send them to a real agency and then watched some guy walk in the door and negotiate $200.
I agree with paying a fair price.I think $300-$400 max.More if you stay there.Maybe $100 a day if you were not going to interview many women.
Also,about the hot ones like on travelers site,if you did pay $150 to meet one girl you would need to be pretty confident she would like you.That would be a bit much for her to turn up her nose and leave.

Pete

... in response to Re: Re: Not buying it, posted by Pete E on Nov 3, 2003

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I have a philosophy about meeting women. I would rather be turned down by a really hot chick than meet a hundred that I'm not crazy about.

I have a pretty good batting average in Cali so I wouldn't be to concerned about the ladies not taking an interest in me. But, that isn't the point.The point is I go to Cali because there are a lot of women that I find extremely desirable.

The only reason I pay anybody money in Cali is so I can meet a very attractive women (FAST!) that has an expressed interest in meeting a gringo.

I think guys that go down to Cali should try to find a women they really believe is a knock out that also is attracted to them. I would suggest testing the waters as soon as possible to find out if you have a lot of sexual chemistry. Why spend a lot of time finding out if you have similar interests and hobbies just to find out you have been going down a dead in road when it comes to sex. Believe me it is not hard to tell when caleñas really like you because they will be on you. It is really easy to pick up on their body language once you have been down there a while.

Having said that, sometimes they are hard to read when you are in mixed company. You have to get them alone. I have met women that I thought were really conservative until I got them alone. WOW!! Did they ever change my mind.

... in response to Re: He should charge how much?, posted by Calipro on Nov 3, 2003

Naw, I don't think I would charge nearly that much. I mean, we don't have a bed and breakfast, so we don't have the bills they would have. We have an office, so it's cheaper for us to operate.
Now we will have an apartment you can rent with some pretty good services and that is going to be pretty reasonable, as well.

... in response to A helpfull suggestion. , posted by Calipro on Nov 3, 2003

Actually, we talked about that last night. We wouldn't charge anything near that much. We would have three way calling. So, it would be you, her, and the translator on the phone. Once that is organized, I'd put a payment option on the site. If a guy shows up at the door, we would charge him the same price we would on the website. He could make the call from the office (while he's in Cali) or he could call the office from his home and we could arrange for the girl to be in the office when the call comes in. I don't really like that option, because things happen. You could be working late or, you know Cali, she might not show up.
We have a clause in our authorization forms that if a girl does not answer her messages after a point we cut her from the service and she'll be replaced. The guys writing that girl will have the option of choosing a new girl to replace the girl that got cut.
Thanks for the suggestion.
K