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TO GO OR NOT TO GO -- THAT IS THE QUESTION

This is a report of my trip to Cali, just before buying my house there. I usually have an inkling on where I'd like to visit many months before I actually have the available time to travel. My travels had been set on Cali for some time, an area encompassing Central and South America and much of the Caribbean. I have grown very enamored with Latin culture: the music, the dancing, the food, and, especially, the chicas. I was looking for a new place to visit and despite its overwhelmingly negative image in the popular press I had heard some pretty interesting things about Colombia.
As I investigated this country as a possible novia hunting destination, two disparate sets of opinions began to emerge. On one side were the proponents of caution represented by my family, friends and government authorities. On the other side were the risk-takers and thrill-seekers represented primarily by those daring men who had already blazed a path to this dangerous yet intriguing land.
As I contemplated the wisdom of making such a journey the two sets of voices engaged in battle for control of my thought processes. One side was speaking to me as follows:
"The Department of State warns U.S. citizens against travel to Colombia. Violence by narcotraffickers, guerrillas, paramilitary groups and other criminal elements continues to affect all parts of the country. Citizens of the United States and other countries have been the victims of recent threats, kidnappings, domestic airline hijackings and murders. Acts of violence against foreigners have occurred in all regions of Colombia, both urban and rural. There is a greater risk of being kidnapped in Colombia than in any other country in the world. In some cases, the victims have been murdered. Since it is U.S. policy not to pay ransom or make other concessions to terrorists, the U.S. government's ability to assist kidnapped U.S. citizens is limited." [US Dept of State. June 10, 1999]

"'Es complicado' Colombians say. That's shorthand for the killings, kidnappings, and robberies, the unemployment, and inflation that threaten to crush the fervent spirit of this lush South American republic. An explosive desperation grips Colombians today. Political violence has claimed some 35,000 Colombians in the past decade and displaced one million and a half more. This is a dirty war, which inspires few allegiances but leaves many bodies. Leftist guerrillas and rightist paramilitaries kill suspected enemies with impunity. And then there are the freelancers, hired killers, whose services start at $200US a victim."

Pretty powerful stuff that certainly gives one reason for pause. The other side offered voices that were soothing and calming, chanting their siren songs beckoning me toward barely describable pleasures in a foreign land:

Ø "Cali, I believe, is the easiest place to pick up women. They are plentiful and lots are gorgeous. I was blown away! It has the highest concentration of available babes I've ever seen.  "I think that they have a law in Cali, Colombia that a woman must be born bautiful, if not, she has 6 months to get beautiful, otherwise, she is sent back for repairs. If they fail to do this, they must become a nun or something.

The two sides grappled for my attention and drew me into a classic Freudian ego vs. id dilemma. My ego was advising "be cautious, be careful, don't take a chance," while my id was screaming "go for it, go now, seek immediate gratification."
Viewed slightly differently there was an angel sitting on one shoulder warning me of "kidnapping risk, violent death, explosive national desperation," and a devil sitting on the other shoulder offering "gorgeous babes, legally mandated beautiful women, and party central." Over time the debate grew increasingly one-sided as the devil's whispers became a deafening crescendo. My mind was overtaken by a single thought that rattled around in my head like a never-ending echo: "much babes to choose from Much women to Choose From MUCH BABES TO CHOOSE FROM!" There was no longer a debate. I slapped away the angel, shook hands with the devil, and made a definite decision. For better or worse, I was going to Cali, Colombia.

****** The beginning - Planning my trip ***********

Before I start to relate some of my experiences let me make a few prefatory comments. My usual style of writing is more on the storytelling to give readers the flavor of what I was thinking and feeling as I experienced Colombia. I hope to also include the "news you can use" material which really is the most beneficial information for someone planning a trip. The narrative style of writing tends to be longer and more time-consuming and I don't know how long I'll persist with this method. I guess until either I become bored, I sense the membership getting bored, or I just plain run out of time to devote to this project.

Prices will be quoted here in the currency in which I paid. On a few occasions that was U.S. dollars but for the most part it was Colombian Pesos which I'll abbreviate as CPs. The exchange rates I received were 1,650 CPs to 1 US$ at Miami Airport (this sucks big time). The rest of my conversions were done in Colombia at ATMs. The conversion rates ranged from 2,800 to 2,900 CPs to the dollar. In the final analysis my weighted average conversion rate was 2,850 CPs to the dollar.

ENROUTE TO CALI

The good part about not getting a flight to Barranquilla is that I actually got a decent amount of sleep the night before my departure. Going to Barranquilla required a dawn flight which would have necessitated a 3 a.m. departure from my home.
The Cali flight left at midday so a full night's sleep was on the agenda. I don't know about you guys but I find I always have to pay a price before leaving for a chica hunting trip. My trips tend to be 8 to 11 days in duration (a workweek sandwiched by 2 weekends plus maybe another day or two). To get my personal and business affairs in order I usually spend 4 to 5 nights burning the midnight oil just prior to my departure day. The result is I leave already quite tired when my objective was to depart as rested, relaxed and ready as possible for the activities that are awaiting me.

I got to Miami airport about 25 minutes late but my flight to Cali was pushed back about 30 minutes so I had enough time for the two pieces of business I wished to transact in Miami.

First, I headed for the Avianca counter to pick up and pay for my ticket from Cali to Cartagena which I had reserved the day before. This was done late Friday after Miami Airport and all other East Coast offices were closed. I had called the Los Angeles office to procure the reservation. If you don't know in advance the available rates and the corresponding rules and regulations there is a very good chance you will not be offered the lowest rate. I knew of the Class Q 3-day advance purchase rate so the ticket I purchased for a Cali-Bogota-Cartagena route was a reasonably priced US$109. My revised itinerary put together the day before eliminated the Cartagena-Bogota-Cali return so the change saved me a like amount of US$109. [I'll try to provide some separate notes later on ideas for saving money on domestic ticket purchases in Colombia.]

My second stop was at a money exchange booth. I wasn't confident one would be open on Saturday night in Cali so I wanted to arrive with some Colombian money in my possession. The conversion rate was a lousy 1650 Colombian pesos [CPs] to one US dollar plus a $2 fixed fee regardless of transaction size. This I knew was a horrendous rate, but I had no time to check for a better one so I converted a minimal amount of US$100.

I had good seating fortune on the way to Cali as I was given the first row coach aisle seat which had no seat or bulkhead wall in front of me. My legs were fully extended in front of me the whole trip. Sitting next to me was a fascinating and attractive Colombiana about 36-38 years of age. She spoke English well, so we talked nonstop for 3+ hours. She was well-to-do and obviously not a typical Colombiana.

She split time living among 3 cities: Cali, Miami and Paris, but Cali was her real home. Two of her three brothers had been kidnapped by rebel guerrillas and were currently being held for ransom. One had been captive for 2 months, the other for 8 months. One was taken directly from his office in the factory he ran by 15 armed men. He was driven away in his own car. The other was intercepted after leaving his home. Before the first one was captured a "message" had been sent. The two dogs that lived in and guarded the factory were shot dead and left in front of the brother's office. I didn't quite get the purpose of the message (perhaps a request to make some payments?), but that surely would have gotten my attention.
This woman (name withheld) spends no more than 10-12 days in Cali at a time because she fears that if she is there too long her movements will be tracked and she, too, will become a kidnap victim. She and her husband own another house on a lake in the hills 20 minutes from Cali and they can NEVER go there due to the threat of guerrilla activity in the area.
Security issues in and around Cali should not be easily dismissed. During my brief stay there concern over security was a theme that resurfaced several times.

ARRIVAL IN CALI

I was one of the first ones off the plane so I went through immigration relatively quickly and easily. After passing through immigration I picked up my tax exemption form at a booth immediately to the right. This is important because if you don't have it when you leave the country you will pay double the US$27 airport exit tax that you pay if you do have it. Baggage unloading was slow so I lost some time there. All told it took about 45 minutes from exiting the plane to catching a taxi.
I was supposed to be picked up by someone from the Hotel Windsor Plaza [HWP] staff, but nowhere did I spot a HWP van or car or a sign with my name on it. So after the obligatory 10-minute search and wait I headed out to the HWP on my own. 20,000 CPs and 30 minutes later I was warmly greeted by the bellman, Gustavo, and the night manager, Alex, who tell me they will do ANYTHING to make my stay more comfortable. I like the sound of that and file that information away for possible future use.

The HWP is a good choice when in Cali. It meets the criteria most often employed by Americans when looking for accommodations: very friendly, clean and comfortable, good location close to some action and in that very affordable price range [US$35-US$50] of similar hotels in other locations. It is located 1 block off Avenida Sexta, the main restaurant, shopping, club and discoteca center of Cali. In one direction you can walk to Chipichape Mall, a large, modern shopping complex with possibilities for encountering Calenas. In the other direction your walk will connect you with Paseo Bolivar where you can cross the Rio Cali and visit the few sites of note in the old section of the city.

Be sure to establish your room rate ahead of time with the hotel. They can be contacted by e-mail at windsor@colombianet.net. I was originally quoted a $US50 rate but I responded back that a friend of mine had received a rate of 100,000 CPs (about US$35) and I was granted that rate.

In Colombia remember to always carefully check your bill. I checked my hotel bill the night before my departure and they had my rate listed as 110,000 CPs. There was no problem correcting it, but the onus is on you to look for and point out any errors.  The manager told me it would be 30,000 CPs the first night I brought in company. I pointed out that Gustavo quoted 20,000 and that another friend of mine had paid that amount, and again there was no problem in making the adjustment. In fact, on my second night Alex waived the guest fee charge altogether.

SOME IMPRESSIONS OF CALI

Cali will forever be imprinted on my mind for its impressive hills juxtaposed side by side to form deep valleys. Yes, Cali is located in the Cauca Valley nesting between 2 mountain ranges, the Western and Central Cordilleras. But that's not what I'm talking about. What I am referring to is cleavage (see somepictures posted on Cali discussions ) and you will be inundated with the amount you will see, most all of major league caliber. Colombian women as a general rule are well endowed and they are not inhibited to dress in a manner which shows off their assets to best advantage. Based on my travels to date I am prepared to declare Cali, Colombia the "Cleavage Capital of the World."

Cali has a few sites worth visiting, but these can be seen in the space of a single day. It in no way compares with major Latin cities such as Rio, Havana or even Quito from a cultural interest or sightseeing point of view. If security wasn't a concern Cali could be used as a base for visiting some really interesting archaeological sites, national parks and smaller towns of note. Security is a major concern, however, and hence you are essentially limited to what is contained in the safe zones within the city.
Consequently there is one, and only one, reason to go to Cali and that is for its women. During my limited stay I spent time with two Calenas and eyeballed many more and it's clear there are a lot of very attractive women in that city.

***Tomorrow...some very specific detail on one of Cali's better venues and the chica that I met there.***

... in response to Cali, Colombia- The Cleavage capital, posted by Batman on Oct 25, 2003


Batman I enjoyed reading your post.  Please don't be put off by any men telling you that they are too long.  I would like to hear from you again.  Dominguin

... in response to Re: Cali, Colombia- The Cleavage capital, posted by DOMINGUIN on Oct 27, 2003

Tell me all about the green card sharks!!!

... in response to Cali, Colombia- The Cleavage capital, posted by Batman on Oct 25, 2003

This is an excellent report, batman! I really like your writing style.

Please take as much time as you want. I have the feeling that you have lots of good stories and info to drop on us. Your style brings us front and centre, so i just had to send out some encores to you.

Don't let anyone here discourage you. Good job.

--cassius

... in response to Re: Cali, Colombia- The Cleavage capital, posted by cassius on Oct 27, 2003

I agree Batman..........don't let someone like Calipro discourage you, he's a little insecure when someone threatens to bring a little more knowledge to the table than he has, or has more opportunites with the ladies than he does.  I'm a long time veteran of Cali, but I also like your style.  Oh to be 29 again and have the opportunities you have in South America.  Please post more and more often.

... in response to Re: Re: Cali, Colombia- The Cleavage cap..., posted by beenthere on Oct 27, 2003

A wink and a smile and he is home free with the ladies.

My type of guy!!! hehehe!!!!

... in response to Cali, Colombia- The Cleavage capital, posted by Batman on Oct 25, 2003

I am new to this board could someone tell me where to find the pictures posted on Cali discussions? I don't know where that is.

Also I have been looking for pictures of the women that some of you guys might have met on your trips or just taken pictures of.

... in response to somepictures posted on Cali discussions, posted by caseload on Oct 26, 2003

n/t

... in response to Day late and a dollar short.    n/t, posted by Calipro on Oct 26, 2003

So does that mean your not going to tell me?

... in response to Re: Day late and a dollar short.    n/t, posted by caseload on Oct 27, 2003

I don't know the link to the photos that Batman was talking about. I have a ton of photos of women I have met in Cali. But, why would you be interested in seeing photos of women that I have met and may not even be available anymore when you can go to an agency's web site and see women that are currently available?

One question, How far is Oakwood from Atlanta?

... in response to Cali, Colombia- The Cleavage capital, posted by Batman on Oct 25, 2003

Nice story But,not much interested in the State Department warnings or the second hand story from a women in an airport that said her two brothers were kidnapped and dogs shot in cold blood. We get enough drama around here as it is.

Free lance hired killers whose services start at $200 a victim? I was quoted $250. What are your sources?

I would be interested in hearing about any violence you have personally experianced in Colombia and if you believe the State Department warnings are over blown or if you believe you are leading a charmed life and that's the reason you haven't had any problems in Colombia or did you???

I would also be interested in the details of buying a house in Cali. What was and where did you buy the permit to transfer $130,000 to Colombia? What colombian bank did you use? And why did it take six months to get your money into Colombia. Also, What type of visa did you have that allowed you to buy real property in Colombia? Pictures of the house you paid 130,000 for would be nice if it's not to personal and attorney references, Please!

Thanks for your time,   Calipro

Also, since you mentioned green card sharks and blue diggers, where did you meet them? At a marriage agency? Or did they just spot you in a mall or club and hit on you because they thought you looked like an american or what??

Hope my questions aren't to personal.

... in response to Re: Cali, Colombia- The Cleavage capital, posted by Calipro on Oct 25, 2003

One should only post what is of interest to you? I hearby dub you Houndog junior. It seems most people here are enjoying the "newbies" posts. If you aren't. . . . don't read them.

He can only post about violence if it happens to him directly? That is cool!!! I didn't realize that if a gringo is kidnapped, the FARC give him net access! That is pretty nice of them. Is it broadband or dial up?

... in response to Ok. . . .mental note, posted by Ralph on Oct 27, 2003

I never said I didn't like his posts.

I didn't think a little critic would hurt anything.

Wouldn't you rather hear about the green card sharks (I haven't heard about them in a while) than the State Department Warnings? AGAIN!!!!

Post what ever you like and I may comment on it (Don't cry!) and don't ban anybody either. Let it ride!!

Be cool Ralph it's OK.

... in response to Re: Cali, Colombia- The Cleavage capital, posted by Calipro on Oct 25, 2003

So Calipro, you were quoted a price by a hired killer??  Who were you trying to kill???  When???  Why did you decide not to go through with the killing???  Or did you go through with it???  How did you make contact with the hired killer???  What would possess you to have someone killed???  Weren't you afraid of the consequences if caught??  What value do you place on a human life??  Do you have values???
I hope these questions aren't too personal.

... in response to Re: Re: Cali, Colombia- The Cleavage cap..., posted by beenthere on Oct 26, 2003

[This message has been edited by Calipro]

It was a joke FOOL! like the post by Batman.

Only you would confuse Batman's melodramatic post and my sarcasm for reality.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Cali, Colombia- The Cleavage..., posted by Calipro on Oct 26, 2003

Calipro,
   I hope you were also being sarcastic when you stated you did not think  a lot of girls (not all)that used agencies were looking for an easy way to get a green card. You said you did not think a woman could sleep and live with a man for 2 years just for that.
  Calipro, people risk their lives each and every single day to get to the U.S. That is how desperate many are to come here. I am sure there are a lot of women who join an agency "hoping" to find the man of their dreams, but many will eventually settle for a good man,and hope love will come later. Unfortunately, that rarely happens.
  You said your 2nd Cali wife had an ex who gave you trouble. It seems she obviously was still in love with. Was she then not planning to marry you for a green card or a better life?
  Also, men should understand,if you plan to live abroad it is ok to aim as high as you want in the age and looks department. But if you plan to live in the U.S. aim high, but be realistic. Most likely, if she is a "hot girl", once in the U.S.she will hear everyday how she could have done better than you,and she could see for herself AW are not exactly throwing themselves at you either.(same as some men here who talk about not wanting Colombian men's rejects).
   I imagine once here,she will begin to understand the class structure in the U.S. is very different from the one in her country. In the U.S. a hot girl can find a doctor, lawyer, millionaire who is very serious about marriage. While back in her country, that class of men were off limits for marriage and the most she could hope for was to be a mistress for that type.
  So a woman who is intelligent and knows what she wants, and has no need to live for and impress others should be one to look for. A woman who is immature, flighty, and never satisfied will be very easy target for people who will be there to let her know her value is very high in the U.S. If she did not really love you at all, she will be gone in 2 years or till she finds her upgrade.

   
 Mark33

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Cali, Colombia- The Clea..., posted by mar33 on Oct 27, 2003

If you don't want to deal or can't deal with colombian men, you better stick with the 30 something caleñas or the ones with children. Colombianos don't want them and you won't have to compete against them. If you want a hot one you will be competing head to head with the colombainos in Colombia and the doctors and lawyers when you get them here in the states.

Hell, if you are that worried about losing your wife just get yourself a dog for company. Make sure you buy it tags so if you loose it maybe somebody will bring it back to you.

... in response to I think you are on to something., posted by Calipro on Oct 27, 2003

I agree. No matter what you guys hear and no matter what you have been told. The hot young Colombians (without children) usually have no desire whatsoever to leave Colombia.

... in response to I think you are on to something., posted by Calipro on Oct 27, 2003

Guys, Calipro is definitely talking from experience.  Calena ex-wife #1 ended up with a plastic surgeon here in the states, Calena ex-wife #2 wouldn't leave her Colombiano for Calipro, EVEN AFTER calipro married her.  Yeah, you're right Calipro, for you it has been tough competing against other men, both Caleno and gringo.

... in response to Re: I think you are on to something., posted by beenthere on Oct 28, 2003

If you are going to keep talking about me, Please try and get the details right. Actually, Caleña ex-wife #1 isn't with the plastic surgeon anymore. She is single and living in L.A.

Caleña ex-wife number 2 never made it here because I canceled her visa. (a recap of the story is posted below under "To many questions to little time".)

... in response to Re: Re: I think you are on to something., posted by Calipro on Oct 28, 2003

I know Olga's not with the guy anymore, she told me the week she moved out and went to LA.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: I think you are on to someth..., posted by beenthere on Oct 28, 2003

So you have my ex-wife's phone number big deal!!

And you called some women up whose pictures I posted. No harm, no foul!

But, what if you had the phone number of a woman that I really cared about.  Would you call her?

The real question is why would a smart guy like you go there? What did I do to make you so pissed off?

In IMHO you have consistantly under estimated me and this scares me. Wise up! You are out of your league.

... in response to You really are a loser. , posted by Calipro on Oct 28, 2003

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Is that a threat???  Are you going to send some gun packen Calenos after me??   Your ex-wife pursued me, maybe you shouldn't have posted the link to my picture so she could see it.  She then searched the archives & found my e-mail address, and started to write me.  Maybe I'm out of your league...........by the way Calipro, I've NEVER been interested in any woman that you've had, that's why I didn't continue with your ex-wife.  And by the way, just remember, all of those girls in the pictures, they were with me FIRST!!

... in response to Re: You really are a loser. , posted by beenthere on Oct 28, 2003

Where's your psychological profile when we really need one!

... in response to Re: You really are a loser. , posted by beenthere on Oct 28, 2003

n/t

... in response to and a FOOL !!    n/t, posted by Calipro on Oct 28, 2003

God Calipro, sometimes jealousy is a bitter pill to swallow.

... in response to Re: and a FOOL !!    n/t, posted by beenthere on Oct 28, 2003

Well, try and do it some how!!!

I'll see you in Dec. and I hope you won't be foamming at the mouth!!

... in response to Re: Re: and a FOOL !!    n/t, posted by Calipro on Oct 28, 2003

I've never foamed at the mouth for 150,000 pesos hookers

... in response to Re: Re: Re: and a FOOL !!    n/t, posted by beenthere on Oct 28, 2003

I see you are moving up in the world!

... in response to I think you are on to something., posted by Calipro on Oct 27, 2003

And Mark, Calipro's talking from experience, he's already lost 2 Calena wives, now going for #3.
What kind of dog do you have now Calipro???

... in response to Re: I think you are on to something., posted by beenthere on Oct 28, 2003

I thought I read Calipro had been married 3x. The first to an AW stripper. The 2nd to the Calena with the nudie website(Who could not tell him why she left),and the 3rd(yep, the one with the boyfriend who faked love for a green card) to a 19 year old who was very sexually knowledgeable.
  Perhaps, he is not looking to have a longtime marriage or raising kids like many of us here are. Maybe he just wants to have fun for a few years and move on to the next one. A use-use situation. But then, why is he marrying them anyway if that is the case?
  But for a guy looking long-term, there is more to a relationship than a just a flighty woman who changes her mind quickly on what she wants from day to day.
  Calipro get s the impression a man who does not date 9's and 10's is a loser. He forgets there is more to a human being than just looks. Many men look in foreign countries because we feel many AW(not all) think most of us may not be Brad Pitt ot Bill Gates so therefore they are mostly not inclined to get to know the person, but rather judge us on superficial things. I wonder why does not want to compete with AM and latinos for hot latinas on U.S. ground?If he is that confident of his ability with the ladies.
  I looked to find a woman who of course was attractive to me, had a good heart, was loving, intelligent, had the same goals and dreams I did, and who loved me without a doubt.
  Could I have gotten a "hotter" babe? Sure I could have. I am young and fairly good looking. I have dated many women who my friends think are hot, but I really did not feel the love coming from these women,mainly one sided. The way my fiance makes me feels show me I have never known true love. To me that is all I need. I could not be happier or more in love.
  By the way, my interest initially were latinas. But now I am engaged to a Filipina. No she is not built like a boy as Calipro thinks. She has a C- cup chest,and honestly when I first met her I thought she looked more latin than anything else.
  Looks fade anyway, but charecter stays true.
   Mark33

... in response to Re: Re: I think you are on to something., posted by mar33 on Oct 28, 2003

I don't think guys that don't go out with 9 and 10s are losers. But, if you are really looking for a 4 or 5, there are plenty around here in the good old U.S.A. that would make terricfic wives.

I have an idea. If you are not set in your religious ways, Why not become Mormon? Mormon women are very devoted and I haven't met one that wasn't interested in marriage.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: I think you are on to someth..., posted by Calipro on Oct 28, 2003

I don't agree with the doctrine but, I think the belief is they can't go to heaven unless they are married.  This might explain the motivation.  If there are any mormons out there please correct me if I am wrong.  Also, I am not trying to step on your religion.

... in response to I think you are on to something., posted by Calipro on Oct 27, 2003

Calipro,
Since you seem such the experts on latinas,and you also speak Spanish,why not get a hot latina already in the U.S.? There are plenty here and more coming everyday. I also see plenty of plain looking latin men with those hot women.So why nottake those girls away?It puzzles me that a guy with such confidence only seems confident with very young latinas living outside the U.S. and are easy to impress.
  By the way, nothing wrong with a woman over 30 or one with kids. I would rather have a pretty late 20's early 30's lifetime partner, than one whose expiration date is 2 years or till something better comes along. You have been married 3x at 40. I have not yet married, and when I do it I want it to be forever. I do not want to raise my future children in 2 seperate households, or see them only on weekends.
  BeenThere posted a question a while back asking anyone who married a hot 9 or 10 much younger woman if they had any success long term. No one answered.
  I think Past high school, a man should judge a woman more than by how many men want her.
 I know women who pass up great guys who would treat them like gold . They only want the guy every  girl wants, no matter how unpredictable he may be.  That type of action does not show  confident,rather the opposite.

... in response to Re: I think you are on to something., posted by mar33 on Oct 28, 2003

It is not my goal to steal anybody's woman away. I think I have said it before, I'm not really an american women basher. I enjoy their company (latin or gringa) for what it is worth. I have even had close gringa friends tell me that I should seek some kind of therapy so I could settle down with a nice gringa instead of a Colombiana. If one day I can't afford to travel to Colombia 2-3 times a year then I will seek out therapy because then I really will need it. I have a strong preference for colombian women and I'm not sure I can explain in words why that is. So I will just say they make me feel very, very good. If I could find a women here that could make feel the same way I probably wouldn't go to Colombia as often. Of course it is all psychological everything is. Therapy or Travel, I choose travel.

My advice to you is: if you don't ever want to go through a divorce, move to a country with a culture that does not promote divorce as a solution to marital problems. Also it doesn't hurt if you live in a country where divorce can cause serious finacial consequences for the women involved.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Cali, Colombia- The Cleavage..., posted by Calipro on Oct 26, 2003

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No Calipro, if I remember correctly when you posted earlier this year the story of your break-up with Calena wife #2 (or was it #3 it's hard to keep track) you mentioned something similar regarding hiring a hitman to take care of your ex's boyfriend.  Evidently this fellow intimidated you with threats, REMEMBER??  I'm not sure if you are even in touch with reality.  I think you post so much bulls**t on this forum that it's hard to keep up.  Maybe you should review your posts in the archives from time to time so you can remember.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Cali, Colombia- The Clea..., posted by beenthere on Oct 27, 2003

I'll leave the archive review for you. It was Calena wife #2 ad her ex-boyfriend was threatening me daily at my home and place of business. So I sent a couple of guys over to his house to return the favor. They were not professional hitmen (and I never used the term hitman) and it was never my intention to have him killed. Basicly, I just wanted to know what he was made of and as it turned out not much.

See, I have values!!

Don't let your imagination run wild.

... in response to I remember., posted by Calipro on Oct 27, 2003

Speaking of wild imaginations..............you ACTUALLY believed that some young Caleno punk was going to send some of his boys to your house or your work place and have you taken care of???  Please Calipro..........I can just picture Calipro now, in the final scene in Scarface........Calipro is Tony Montana......holed up in his house, with Colombian hit men spraying bullets all over his house......"Say hello to my little friend" Calipro shouts as he returns fire to his would be assassins.  For Tony Montana it was over hundreds of millions of dollars in cocaine, for Calipro it was for a poor Calena girl.  Who's the FOOL???

... in response to Re: I remember., posted by beenthere on Oct 27, 2003

You are.

My ex-cali wife was 19 at the time. Her boyfriend was a 33 year old clombian business man. I wouldn't exactly caracterize him as a punk.

I normally take death threats with a grain of salt but believe me this guy was convincing. I won't go into it but he had demands that he wanted met and I wasn't about to comply. Then I sent the pictures of my wife and me to everybody and his brother. At this point if I were him, I would have wanted to kill me. So why wouldn't I believe he would?

... in response to Re: Re: I remember., posted by Calipro on Oct 27, 2003

If you didn't know Calipro, punks come in all ages, I've known 33 year old punks & 60 year old punks.  To think that he had the juice to send people to kill you over a young girl, who was your wife at the time, is totally absurd.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: I remember., posted by beenthere on Oct 27, 2003

was one of the best pieces of a** I have ever had and it seems her ex-boyfriend thought the same thing.
Nobody ever said I was a gracious loser. I kind of follow a scorched earth policy in matters like this. I didn't end up with her but either did he. I made sure of that. More than one reason to send the gun packen punks to his house instead of him sending them to mine.

... in response to At the time my wife....., posted by Calipro on Oct 27, 2003

so you did hire some "gun packen punks" to go to his house.  Let me ask you a question............what if the scene would have turned ugly??  What if your wife's boyfriend had a gun also, and his friends??  What if someone would have been killed in a shootout??  It happens everyday in Cali.  How would you have felt?? Not to mention maybe being arrested if they found out you hired the guys.  Don't you think it was a very reckless thing to do, not to mention stupid???  Remember you're CALIPRO, the pro of Cali.  Why would you hire some guys to scare your wife's boyfriend?  (your wife's boyfriend???)It seems to me a PRO would have found out about the boyfriend before he married the girl.  Also what did this guy have that you didn't have???  What was it about you that made her not want to leave her boyfriend and come live with you in the states.  Besides their performance in bed, what criteria must a woman meet before she becomes MRS. CALIPRO????  When you found out that your wife had a boyfriend why didn't you just end it right there??  Why fight with her boyfriend??  Remember you're CALIPRO and you can get any young Calena that you want.
I hope these questions aren't too personal, but the answers could help any CALIPRO wannabes out there.  (I know there are a few).

... in response to Re: At the time my wife....., posted by beenthere on Oct 28, 2003

As far as the sending the punks to the guys house, I had more than one reason and I don't really want to get into the whole story (It is way to long). But, I will tell that he not only threaten my life but the life of my family as well. He even had my father's home address in Conneticut believe it or not. The bottom line is I had to do something and walking away with my tail between my legs wasn't something I could live with.

It appears that the boyfriend wasn't in my wife's life when we got married. I asked her about it and I asked her ex-boyfriend about it. It is had to get and exact date but it was after we were married. He claims he was always in her life  (go figure) but I could never get answer as to where he was when I lived in her house for two weeks after we got married or where he was when we spent a week in Bogota together.

Unlike most guys that call you up and say they are going to kill you, this guy would talk for up to thirty minutes a day. It was crazy. It was like he was trying to convince me to do what he wanted so he wouldn't have to kill me. Mainly he wanted me to cancel her visa which I later did but not because he wanted me to.

To answer your question " What did this guy have that I didn't have?" basicly a long history with her.

I thought we already went over this but she was coming here to live with me in the states. She was basicly telling her boyfriend good by that's how all this crap got started. Her family couldn't stand this guy but they were all to scared of him to tell me where he lived. I can't tell you how embarassed her family was when they found out she was still involved with this guy after we were married. I visted her mother when I was in Cali last and her mother cried so hard she almost made me cry. It is a sad story of what can happen when a young women makes bad choices. Trust me when I say I still feel more sorry for her than she feels sorry for herself. She really has no idea what she lost.

"When you found out that your wife had a boyfriend why didn't you just end it right there??"

First of all I was getting the phone calls from hell from her boyfriend and I was asking her "who is this guy that is claiming to be your boyfriend?" she denies even knowing him then she admitts that he is some crazy ex-boyfriend that is still bothering her. Then I hacked into her e-mail account and found the Dear, John letter she sent him.
I finally gave her a last chance to clear this thing up. I told her she had to tell me where he lived and where he worked. Because there was no way I was going to bring her here with this guy knowing where we would be living and I didn't know a thing about him. Not to mention the fact at this point the guy was calling me 2 -3 times a day to threatening to kill me.

She told me that he called her all the time to threaten her to (Can you really love someone that threatens you?). Anyway for what ever reason (love or fear) she wouldn't cough this guy up and by the time I finall found him, she had killed all the feelings I had for her by protecting this guy.

Oh, "Why did I fight the boyfriend when I could have any caleña I wanted?" Because I really wanted that one! That's why I married her in the first place.

Since you asked: My criteria for a wife is as follows.
1. Stunning Beauty.
2. Good in Bed (Sexual Chemistry)
3. Respect (faithfull)
4. True love (commitment)

I know some guys won't agree with the order but let my ask you this: What good is a ugly wife that is bad in bed and rats you out and stabs you in the back even if she loves you? Well, if she really loves you, she'll say it's all for your own good. But, really I would rather have the first three and the true love is nice but optional.

I have seen relationships with no beauty, no sex and no respect but they have true love (I guess) why else would they be together (and they have been together 50 years or more)? It is an exercise in misery.

... in response to To many questions to little time., posted by Calipro on Oct 28, 2003

Calipro, As always you can be trusted to put things in the correct perspective.  I think your "list" is downright truthful.  The "looks" are the most important aspect and the most difficult to achieve.  Once this is accomplished then you can go on to the rest of the list.  IMHO I think there are too many guys on this forum that try to minimize looks.  If I wasn't looking for an attractive woman then, I would not have to get on the plane.  
  You asked "Why are they together?"  There are a lot of reasons but, I don't think love is one of them.

... in response to To many questions to little time., posted by Calipro on Oct 28, 2003

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Seems to me , from your history, you definitely have the order wrong.  Calena #1 definitely didn't respect you, had no TRUE love for you, Calena #2 the same.
If you believe that #2's boyfriend wasn't in her life when you married her, then you'll believe anything.

... in response to Re: To many questions to little time., posted by beenthere on Oct 28, 2003

Calena #1 told me she loved me and she made love to me every day. She never cheated on me that I know of. To tell you the truth I think that's why she left. RESPECT!!

True love is really a life long commitment. But, even if you ask her now she'll tell you she loved me. But, It wasn't true love, seldom is.

About #2, I guess I should have asked you where her boyfriend was when we were sleeping and living together after the wedding. So where was he, GOD?

... in response to Re: Re: To many questions to little time..., posted by Calipro on Oct 28, 2003

Olga did tell me that she LIKED you alot.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: To many questions to little ..., posted by beenthere on Oct 28, 2003

You are having conversations with my ex-wife about me.

LOL!!

Don't make me post pictures of us together. HeHeHe!!

I don't want to spoil your fantasies!!

... in response to Re: Re: To many questions to little time..., posted by Calipro on Oct 28, 2003

Probably sleeping with his OTHER girlfriend.............I can't believe you were so naive..........how many times have you been to Cali???

... in response to To many questions to little time., posted by Calipro on Oct 28, 2003

Who says anyboday wants an ugly wife, or one bad in bed. Hecck, I want a pretty cute wife with a nice body, but perfect is not the only thing I look for.
  It seems you have not been able to keep the type on  your wish list for too long. Perhaps they have a wish list of their own.

Perfect girls are smart enough to figure ou real quick, they too can get their wish list.

   Good looks

  Wealth and power

  Great in bed, big P****

  pampering

  faithful?? until mister moneybags can get a younger  
   hottie, but at least she can get a great divorce
   settlement.
 
  respect?? Same as above.

 How close are you to being perfect,and fulfilling her wish list?

 Women with that sort of wish list(who will not bend a little) are as shallow as the men with that sort of wish list.

... in response to I remember., posted by Calipro on Oct 27, 2003

Glad you cleared that up.It did sound kind of ominous at the time.

Pete