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Title: need to know the truth Post by: chizz on October 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM Hello my friends,
I've been reading the posts here for quite some time, but I haven't found one that dealt with my dilema, so I will try to explain it. I've recently come back from barranquilla, and I had a good time, since I didn't really expect anything. Now, the reason I had went to barranquilla and not cali or bogota, was because I was told that the women in cali,and bogota had become to "americanized" and a majority of the women want white men, and not "morenos" like myself. I went to brazilgirls.com, and actually purchased some addresses and phone numbers, and believe it or not the first four ladies told me they didn't want a black man. Now, to be fair to the site, I told them exactly what happend, and they gave me some more addresses and phone numbers to make up for it, but the damage had been done. I'm writing this because I am going to cali in december or january, and need to know if I will be wasting my time. I don't want to get down there and hear that crap about not wanting a black man. Anything, anyone can tell me would be greatly appreciated. I will be using latinencounters and allcolumbiangirls as my agencies. I would appreciate any info. thanks guys. Bryan Title: Re: need to know the truth Post by: Ricardo on October 11, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to need to know the truth, posted by chizz on Oct 7, 2003
Thanks for the report. I am heading to Barranquilla in the next few months, I would like to talk with you about your experience, further, you can email me... Good luck in your search. Title: Racist LW are actually good things...why? Post by: senge on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to need to know the truth, posted by chizz on Oct 7, 2003
Because they need to be weeded out. I suspect that the same women who don't want black men probably don't want latin or asian men either. A white American man is considered a prize catch to most foreign ladies who have been brainwashed with the 'white is right' ideology so prevalently exported by the USA. I also suspect that the women who are racisit/predjudice and who only want blond/blue/caucasions are the same ones who will cause divorces 2 or 3 years down the line. In order to have a successful marriagen, you must have a truly good woman. And a truly good woman will not have racist intentions. Since racism and predjudice represents significant flaws in character, you can conclude that these women would not make good marriage partners for any man, regardless of race. So, in essence, these women did you a favor by self-eliminating, and saving you the heartache a few years down the line. Title: Re: Racist LW are actually good things...why? Post by: Cybear on October 10, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Racist LW are actually good things...why..., posted by senge on Oct 8, 2003
I am an African-American professional (lawyer). I have traveled to Colombia (Bogotá and Cali) twice and plan to return this November. During my first trip to Colombia, I noticed a negative media (television and some movies) slant as to Colombians with dark complexions, as well as an undercurrent of racial discrimination and prejudice. This did not shock me because I know racism and bigotry do not have borders. In my opinion, Latin American economic class divisions are more pronounced than those based on caste. Nevertheless, the class and caste disparities have a negative impact on the overall society. This reality is more apparent in Colombia with its sizable population of blacks and the significant intermixing that has occurred among indigenous, African, and European peoples there. Notwithstanding the political, economic, and social realities of Latin American life, as a black man with a brown complexion my experience was for the most part positive and enjoyable in terms of dating a variety of Colombian women. I met Colombianas of every shade and the vast majority of them were warm toward me. Colombian women are so beautiful it would have been disadvantageous to restrict myself to one type. If a woman's complexion was dark, tan or fair I let nature take its course and I was not hung up on the issue of skin color. If any of the women did not like me solely because I am African-American, I would not let that deter me. After all, everyone is entitled to follow his or her own mind - whether that perspective is broad or narrow. I choose to approach life with an open and adventurous mindset. My advice to my black, white or brown brothers is to pursue your dream of meeting a Latin Princess, no matter what her hue. Peace. Cybear Title: Re: Re: Racist LW are actually good things...why? Post by: JSlo on October 11, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Racist LW are actually good things....., posted by Cybear on Oct 10, 2003
Very good post and well written. Although you are a lawyer you hit the nail right on the head. ;-) Couldn't resist! What you've stated applies to any region in the world. I look forward to future posts. JSlo Title: Re: Re: Racist LW are actually good things...why? Post by: Red Clay on October 11, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Racist LW are actually good things....., posted by Cybear on Oct 10, 2003
Excellent post. Title: Re: Racist LW are actually good things...why? Post by: valuedcustomer on October 09, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Racist LW are actually good things...why..., posted by senge on Oct 8, 2003
This sounds like a sour grapes attitude, i.e., you reject me, therefore you are bad. A marriage partner is a very personal thing, and everyone has the right too chose who they want. Alot of men will reject a woman because she is 5 pounds overweight, doesn’t have blond hair, or the right breast size. Surely, race is at least as signficant as that. I don’t think any of this is relevant to moral character. Title: well... Post by: senge on October 09, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Racist LW are actually good things....., posted by valuedcustomer on Oct 9, 2003
Didn't say race preference...I said racist. there's a difference. I have a ethnic/race preference for latinas. But, I am not racist towards other groups. So, hope that cures your confusion. Title: Re: well... Post by: valuedcustomer on October 10, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to well..., posted by senge on Oct 9, 2003
But it seems you are defining them as racist, just because they don’t want you. I don’t see any objective test here to distinguish between preference and prejudice. In other words, it’s: She doesn’t want me, therefore she is bad. During my college days, I would get interest from women of other ethnic groups, like for example, Chinese lady friends trying to avoid tyrannical number-one sons and Jewish ladies trying to avoid neurotic mama’s boys. The fact is that white men have a reputation for respecting women and treating them as equal partners. Why blame us for being good? A woman is just like you in that she wants the best life for herself, and doesn’t want to be dominated and abused. So, if she has a choice, she goes for a husband who she perceives will treat her with respect. As for a young black man, I think that he will be able to find a good woman in Colombia. If he is a professional, respectful person there will be a woman who will see this and quickly revise any pre-conceived ideas she may have. I also saw many beautiful middle-class looking black and morena women in the stores, streets, and on the beaches when I was in Cartagena a few months ago. Title: Re: Racist LW are actually good things...why? Post by: Red Clay on October 09, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Racist LW are actually good things...why..., posted by senge on Oct 8, 2003
To many of them it's not that "white is right", it's that Latin men are, in their words, too often unfaithful and generally don't treat women well. That is the overwhelming reason the ladies gave that I wrote to/met/married. Title: Re: Racist LW are actually good things...why? Post by: chizz on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Racist LW are actually good things...why..., posted by senge on Oct 8, 2003
You're absolutely right, when you put it like that, it makes alot of sense. Very well said. Bryan Title: La Cenicienta and Racism Post by: DallasSteve2 on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to need to know the truth, posted by chizz on Oct 7, 2003
I'm posting this merely as a window into what other Latin Americans may be thinking. Telemundo is currently showing their version of the Bachelorette, in Spanish. (Cenicienta = Cinderella in Spanish) There is one young Mexican-American princess who must choose from about 15 bachelors. One of the recurring themes on the show revolves around the one bachelor of, shall we say, dark skin color. He remains among the 6 finalists. Her family is there advising her who to choose every day and her mother and brother are constantly advising against this young man. They say they are not racists, but that they don't want her to "suffer". They say she will be ostracized by many people if she chooses this man. If you understand Spanish it's an interesting show. Steve Title: Re: need to know the truth Post by: luvslife on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to need to know the truth, posted by chizz on Oct 7, 2003
Just curious, Have you ever ruled out the Colombiana negra, because you prefer the morena with the long flowing black hair? I would not take it personal, you are looking for someone that wants to be with you. Preference is just that, the woman has a preference for asians, or whites, or black men. Look for the lady, that is looking for you. You will do fine. Learn how to dance salsa, I am. Title: Re: need to know the truth Post by: Kiltboy1 on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to need to know the truth, posted by chizz on Oct 7, 2003
Hi Bryan I met my wife at LE and also know Ricardo from ACG very well . when i was there , there was another man who was having the same problem as you. From the time i was there, i do know that many women expressed not to date a man of color, but you need to remember that the women of cali seem to have this thing about blonde hair and green or blue eyes , and you need to be tall as well. I think it is all the European TV they look at as well. On the other hand--there were several girls that in there profiles or by Margi knowing the girls , that only wanted to date a man of color ,and there were some stunners in that bunchas well-heck--i even got a little pissed myself as i was really attracted to several of them. Bottom line Tell Margui and Ricardo prior to you going that they need to Pre-Screen the girls for you as to the color issue. Do not worry about this issue, as they are not very racist in colombia , but are more concerned with social class then color. Andy Title: Re: Re: need to know the truth Post by: chizz on October 09, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: need to know the truth, posted by Kiltboy1 on Oct 8, 2003
Hello andy, That sounds like a very good idea, I think I will do just that. I don't mind if some of the women have preferences, because we all do in our own way. My thing was traveling a couple thousand miles, and finding out my skin color was keeping me from meeting good, quality women. I will definately heed your advice. thanks bryan Title: Re: need to know the truth Post by: Onephd on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to need to know the truth, posted by chizz on Oct 7, 2003
Hey I have to be short as I am in Colombia now visiting for the third time. Basically, I had the same concern as you about two years ago when i started reading this board. Luckily some people like Hiker, Abrutha, Hoda and Aaron gave me good advice, which was to go for it. I visited Brazil last year and this is my third trip to Bogota this year. Essentially, race matters to the ignorant. simply put. Contrary to what you might want to believe, about half of the women I met in Bogota would be considered white. I am brown skin about the complexion of Denzel Washington(not even morena). I only met one lady that changed her mind after she found out I was a black man. It happens. I also met women that didn't want a man after they saw he was very pale too. So it goes both ways sometimes. I can't even say its worse for Black men than for white men because my experience has been good. Don't get caught up into all the hype about which men have it better (white or black men). Its a moot point. Women love a true gentleman above all things. If you have a good education, manners, dress appropriately, and are respectful to the women and their culture then you will not have a problem meeting women regardless of where you look. If you look for the right things in this process then race is never a factor since generally more educated, mature women that are also, more closely matched to your hobbies interests etc. won't have an issue with skin color. (ex. if the lady loves to dance and you don't or prefer quiet evenings at home, then things will eventuallly fall apart I think). If you are just going by looks and body in a photo album, then you are just pissing in the wind and pure randomenss will ensure you meet women that have preferences, and those that don't, as well as ensure that you meet women that really don't fit what you are looking for. yes physical beauty is a part of the equation, but its not the only variable and probably not the most important one IMHO.
Learn Spanish!!!!! Get on the plane. Don't be fooled. This is a hard process and you must first know yourself before you can know someone else. Be honest with your desires about a wife and a family. Regarding Brazil, you disoovered what I alrady knew. There are many places where race is not a big deal in Brazil. But frankly and quickly speaking I believe race is more of an issue in Brazil than Colombia in my opinion. Brazilians equate race with class sometimes. well manytimes I think. But there are good women there. Now there just isn't an infrastructure in place to meet women. I started with Brazil but figuured out that Colombian women appear to be more sincere about relationships of this type. Granted this is a generality. Take it with a grain of salt. Learn Spanish and you will lots of options(Peru, Colombia etc). I can chat with you later if you like when i get back to the states. hang in there and Learn Spanish (did I say that already?) gotta go now. Title: Re: Re: need to know the truth Post by: chizz on October 09, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: need to know the truth, posted by Onephd on Oct 8, 2003
I'm glad to know that I wasn't the only one with this concern. I was hesitant to bring it up because I did not know how everyone hear would take it, but I hope everyone can understand what I was trying to say. Yeah, Brazil disappointed me, but I did have a great time in Barranquilla. I'm actually taking spanish classess now, and I am now up to intermediate, so yes, i am learning spanish(I learned in barranquilla that this is definately a necessity). Once again, glad to know someone has been where I am, look forward to chatting with you again. Enjoy your vacation. Bryan Title: Exactly!! Agree... very well written n/t Post by: Cherinha on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM Title: You might want to consider... Post by: zack on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to need to know the truth, posted by chizz on Oct 7, 2003
As you have already discovered, latinas love to dance. If you are going to Cali, I would go to a disco in addition to visiting the agencies. I went to a danceclub in Cali a few years ago and I can honestly say that I have not seen so many knock-outs in one room in my life. Since you know how to dance, that is a huge plus, as you have already found out. I read a few posts recently about a guy who married a knockout that he met at a danceclub in Cali. I don't know why you aren't returning to BQ considering your experience there. Good luck with your trip. Zack Title: Re: You might want to consider... Post by: chizz on October 09, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to You might want to consider..., posted by zack on Oct 8, 2003
hello zack, You are absolutely correct in your assesment. Latinas love to dance, and dance and dance! I think if my spanish had been better, I'd done much better. I did have a very nice time in BQ, but my friends want to try cali, and I've always wanted to go. I'll always have BQ, and will probably go back. thanks for writing. Bryan Title: Re: need to know the truth Post by: bigbdm4 on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to need to know the truth, posted by chizz on Oct 7, 2003
If you are young and tall and handsome, have a good position, come from a good family, race does not matter, you don't need an agency. Just go there and walk down the streets and you don't even need to wear a lot of metal on your body, because lightning is going to strike you regardless. It might be at a bus stop. I have encountered so many beautiful girls at bus stops, or it might be in a restaurant, it might be anywhere. The big question is where. Which country. Why Colombia? Why not Panama or Brazil? If you go to Colombia for the agencies, buyer beware. And travelers going there beware. Please consider the future relationship. If you marry the girl, you ultimately say I do to the family, the place, the culture there, the cuisine, the music, the fashions and even learning the language. Personally, I chose Brazil for all of those reasons. Btw, did you see the Brazilian singing "The Girl from Ipanema" at the White House last week? Well, perhaps my words can shed some light on the subject of location, location, location. Marry a girl from Colombia, and you are going to have to live with that. Taking her back for a visit is not a happy thought. Marry a girl from Brazil and every time you take her home to Mama, it's a trip to paradise for you. I know about the agencies, but I am not here to bad mouth any of them, but for one. Brazilian Singles. There is a dot br after the dot com. They are just a mom and pop operation out of Sao Paulo, they don't speak a word of English, and all of their girls come from other agencies. And they don't have anything good to say about Brazil Girls. Brazil Girls is such a wonderful agency, who cares if less than half of the girls answer, or even if the hot girls are real or not, they will give you addresses and telephone numbers for free if you call and complain. You can call their girls in the middle of the night and speak to the mother, who won't understand a word of English, but she is sure that your call is not welcome. To know the truth is too simple, that's why it is so elusive. Go there, get off the airplane, and have some fun. Go to the hotel and take a shower and then go out. The girls are everywhere, more in number than men, they are eager to know a nice guy. Only fat pigs and crabs, losers, liars, louses, mosquitoes who eat and run, and ugly walruses need to engage an agency, Oh, and bargain basement bride shoppers. Now that I have offended everybody, I will conclude by saying that you don't need any agency. OK, so you can engage an agency in the beginning, just to get started, like for example writing to the girls you find at some agency web site. But that is a lot different than participating in a group grope with girls previously unknown, furnished by some sleazy agency in some flea bag hotel. I have to go now, my beautiful Brazilian wife, C, just returned from the college. She is singing and dancing, and giving me Brazilian style embraces and kisses. Big B Title: Re: Re: need to know the truth Post by: chizz on October 09, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: need to know the truth, posted by bigbdm4 on Oct 8, 2003
Wow, tell me how you really feel..lol I noticed a little of that in barranquilla, because when I got off the plane, the girls in the airport were awesome(but no english). I think an agency is a good place to start, to get yourself situated. Congrats on your brazilian wife, I'm sure she is a knock-out.Hopefully I'll have that same blessing. Thanks for sharing your story with me. Bryan Title: Please!!!! Post by: Cherinha on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: need to know the truth, posted by bigbdm4 on Oct 8, 2003
hmmmm... some of what has been said, well... not worth my time to comment or reply to. HOWEVER, Woman from all corners of the earth, and every country, and every city, are unique in their own way. Same with men... There are good and bad, and great and not so great homeland cities and towns to go back and visit. I came to Brasil for many reasons, and I am staying for even more reasons. That doesn't make any other country less or more. I love it here. The men and woman are beautiful, they are kind, loving, attentive... the scenery is beautiful... etc. etc. I have never been to Colombia... but someday would like to, so I do not talk and give advise and comparisons on it. Have you been there... more than just a vist, and know?!?! Every country and every city has it's good and bad... some more than others. I only ask that you respect others views and opinions, and cultures as you post. We are NOT here to write and read destructive non-informative postings. Every person for that matter has their own "jeito" in finding that special someone. What ever that is... I wish only the best for them. Some of your other posts had great links, and information. Please keep it that way. Thank you... and as another poster put it so well.... Peace!! Cheryl Title: Re: Re: need to know the truth Post by: Wanderer on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: need to know the truth, posted by bigbdm4 on Oct 8, 2003
"Only fat pigs and crabs, losers, liars, louses, mosquitoes who eat and run, and ugly walruses need to engage an agency, Oh, and bargain basement bride shoppers." Couldn't that also be applied to a person who runs an agency??? Title: Re: need to have full disclosure about your involvement... Post by: Bueller on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: need to know the truth, posted by bigbdm4 on Oct 8, 2003
Say, B, isn´t that a picture of you and C on the Brazilian Singles webpage? Shouldn´t that "they" you refer to be written as "we"? You know, if your track record spoke of credibility, you wouldn´t have to invent it this way. Title: Re: Re: need to know the truth Post by: jim c on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: need to know the truth, posted by bigbdm4 on Oct 8, 2003
Look payaso there are many of us here that have experience with your posts. Most of us chose to ignore you a long time ago and write you off as a nut case. The difference here is Patrick will ban you. So clean it up or better still GET HELP jim c Title: Re: Re: need to know the truth Post by: CaliAdvisor on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: need to know the truth, posted by bigbdm4 on Oct 8, 2003
The only thing bad about Brasilian women is that it is pretty common knowledge that a lot of them are S*L*U*T*S. Sorry buddy, but I had to take you off your high horse. Title: Disappointed Post by: Cherinha on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: need to know the truth, posted by CaliAdvisor on Oct 8, 2003
Interesting... I have no problem in de-horseing at this time... but should it be done at the expense of others??? How many times have you been to Brasil to make this assessment?? I was not aware that is was "common knowledge"? Aren't there "s*l*u*t*s" EVERYWHERE?? And "ladies". "a lot of them..."????? I have read some very good posts by you, and been impressed. Disappointed.... Cheryl Title: Re: Disappointed Post by: lswote on October 09, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Disappointed, posted by Cherinha on Oct 8, 2003
Cheryl, CaliAdvisor is a poster who was banned under his old id of Aaron. He sometimes posts very good content but more often than not, is insulting, unsympathetic and downright heartless. I was wondering how long it would take before he started the bad behavior again as he hadn't posted for several weeks and then had a couple weeks of reasonable posts which is often how it is with him. Title: Re: Disappointed Post by: CaliAdvisor on October 09, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Disappointed, posted by Cherinha on Oct 8, 2003
Dont be disapointed Cherinha. Just throwing a common conception amoung Colombians out there. If you want to know the country, you have to know it all, the good, the bad and the ugly. I guess there are other ways to get this guy down from his high horse, however, he needs to recognize that every group has their faults and Brasilian women are no saints. As for why I put ** between the letters, it wasn't to make a point, it is because this board is designed to not allow certain words posted. Without the spaces, the post would have been rejected. Sorry if I offended you. Title: Re: Re: Re: need to know the truth Post by: bigbdm4 on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: need to know the truth, posted by CaliAdvisor on Oct 8, 2003
It was no assult, it was my opinion, and yes, I come across like a US Marine, because that is in my blood. But why do you come across with such a filthy mouth, that you have to wash it out with an asterick after every letter you capitalize? Sorry, but we all missed the point, if there was one. Your mother needs to wash your mouth out with soap, or maybe it is that she already did and it didn't work, you are still talking trash, spitting the soap out between each letter, is that it? In either case, like the guy told me, be more courteous. And don't call me your buddy, that's never going to happen. Big B Title: Re: Re: Re: need to know the truth Post by: luvslife on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: need to know the truth, posted by CaliAdvisor on Oct 8, 2003
Why would one want to begin an assault on a group of people that have not themselves come on the forum to disparage anyone. S*l*u*t*s or w*h*o*r*e*s exist all over the world. In Colombia, England, Russia, Austrailia, US, Canada, Iraq, all over. No one country has a cornerstone on w*h*o*r*e*dom. Take the high road and reach higher hieghts. Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: need to know the truth Post by: CaliAdvisor on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: need to know the truth, posted by luvslife on Oct 8, 2003
Chill out buddy. Obviously you havent been to Brasil. I love Brasil, but some ppl, especially Colombians, see Brasil as an overly hedonistic society. The women love sex and aren't afriad to indulge with various partners whereas Colombian women are a lot more conservative. These are obviously over generalizations - but that is what this guy was using in his email also. Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: need to know the truth Post by: luvslife on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: need to know the truth, posted by CaliAdvisor on Oct 8, 2003
Now you know where I have been or not. We are on two different pages. In life we have choices, I choose to take the high road. Good luck banging your head against the wall. Children lash out because they don't have the skills to cope with the situation. I am no child. Title: Re: Re: Re: need to know the truth Post by: moam on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: need to know the truth, posted by CaliAdvisor on Oct 8, 2003
Everyone get out your FIRE EXTINGUISHERS!!! Title: You need to be a little more courteous Post by: lswote on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: need to know the truth, posted by bigbdm4 on Oct 8, 2003
Why would you come to this board and start insulting a group of people immediately? If it is to get noticed, you did, but not in a good way. This board is composed of a diverse group of people, but the one thing all of us who have been here very long have in common is courtesy of the other guy and the other guy's opinion and choices. You like Brazil and Brazilian women? Great, but don't trash my choice of Colombia and Colombian women. You don't like to use agencies? Great, but don't trash me or the woman I met and married because I used an agency. About agencies you said "Only fat pigs and crabs, losers, liars, louses, mosquitoes who eat and run, and ugly walruses need to engage an agency". Boy you are really trying to endear yourself to the posters here aren't you? Isn't there a more considerate way you could have buoyed up your reasons you didn't use an agency? Why insult a large segment of this board just because you have other preferences? About Colombia you said "Taking her back for a visit is not a happy thought". For who? Certainly is a happy thought for me. In fact I plan to move there someday. Why do you have to state your personal preferences in such a manner that it implies that anyone who sees things differently than you do is a loser? Disagree if you want, but lose the insults. You got off to a very bad start by insulting such a large group of people so quickly. I can tell you right now, that if you become an inconsiderate poster, I will call you on it over and over until you become a more courteous poster or Patrick bans you from this board. Title: Re: You need to be a little more courteous Post by: bigbdm4 on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to You need to be a little more courteous, posted by lswote on Oct 8, 2003
Hello everybody. More courteous? Doesn't that word come from the word court? Isn't that the place where the king and queen sat over you and me in judgement? Isn't that where they used to cut your head off in public? And in some courts still do? Be nice or die, right? It was a pretty effective threat a thousand years ago when they invented a word for it, be good and "understand". That word means you stand under the king and queen who sit high above on throwns made of your money, and you'd better say yea, because a nay means good-bye to life and hello to the exicutioner. Quaint, to call on me over and over and tell on me and banish me with tar and feathers in the briar patch, just for saying what I have observed after a long time and many years of experience. Maybe the truth hurts, obviously, to some more than others, maybe I stepped on some toes. Get used to it, because the truth is here to stay, and believe it or not, it will set you free. It is my truth, that is, it's true for me, it's born of my experience and knowledge, call it judgement. I am not perfect and not always right, I don't expect everybody to agree, but for sure I tell it like I see it. I say what I say because I am an old man and have the desire to help the young people. Word of mouth is the best teaching of history. Learn from the past, from first hand, and do better in the future. And how much is a litte more? I am reminded of Martin Luther King, whom I had the pleasure and honor to know, when they told him to wait a little more for justice and equality. Maybe I should temper what I said. OK, "crabs and full figured pigs", etc. Courteous enough? I am out of here. I state my preferences the way I see them, not meant as opposition to the preferences of others. If I made some people feel like losers, I am not satisfied with what I posted, because to me they aren't losers, I offer my preferences as only my opinion and not as a boast or claim to being right and others wrong. I apologize if I gave the wrong impression about that. Obrigado Big B Title: It's his M.O...... Post by: Hoda on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to You need to be a little more courteous, posted by lswote on Oct 8, 2003
from LWL... There are others here, who'll tell you the same thing. I'm surprised that it took Big B this long to finally post here. This is light stuff, compared to what he has posted about non-Brazilian women & those that choose/love them on LWL. Peace..... Title: Re: It's his M.O......HoDA HODA Post by: Sam Club on October 09, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to It's his M.O......, posted by Hoda on Oct 8, 2003
Glad to see you returned. I hope all is well with your family. We have been missing you in other places. Don't stay away too long ;-D Title: Re: It's his M.O...... Post by: bigbdm4 on October 09, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to It's his M.O......, posted by Hoda on Oct 8, 2003
I think that I remember this guy from the LWL, wasn't he 86'ed for being a louse, a loser, and a lier, and isn't he on the lamb? Didn't he bilk biddies in Bogata? Why is he so secret? What is going on with this maybe person and maybe some other sort of entity? Interesting that he uses cops and robbers vocabulary like "M.O." to describe an honest person. Is or was not his own person with the modus operendi to lure unsuspecting gringos into his own personal spiders wwweb of decit? Was not that site shot down in flames of fire, with great passion? Please correct me if I am wrong. Heaven forbid that any on this list would be anything but lilly black (WHITE). Big B Title: Re: Re: It's his M.O......Huh?!!! Post by: Hoda on October 09, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: It's his M.O......, posted by bigbdm4 on Oct 9, 2003
Somebody, anybody....pls tell me WTF is he talking about! Title: Re: Re: Re: It's his M.O......Huh?!!! Post by: Red Clay on October 09, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: It's his M.O......Huh?!!!, posted by Hoda on Oct 9, 2003
Obviously not you.... Title: Does the "bdm" Post by: pablo on October 09, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: It's his M.O......, posted by bigbdm4 on Oct 9, 2003
stand for big "bowelled movement"? (Sorry, couldn't resist.) Title: Re: Re: It's his M.O...... Post by: Michael B on October 09, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: It's his M.O......, posted by bigbdm4 on Oct 9, 2003
I'm missing a whole pack of my TOP papers, got any idea where they may be? I've heard that long term over indulgance in certain, shall we say, 'friendly herbs' can cause memory loss and paranoia. Perhaps that's your problem? Please correct me if I'm wrong. Title: He's a freak! Post by: surfscum on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to It's his M.O......, posted by Hoda on Oct 8, 2003
This guy is WAY out there. Hoda's right, he writes worse on LWL. Title: Re: He's a freak! Post by: Red Clay on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to He's a freak!, posted by surfscum on Oct 8, 2003
Hope he's really gone, but comes across as someone who likes to hang around where he's not wanted. Easy to be not wanted with that kind of introduction to the board. Title: Hi Red! Post by: surfscum on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: He's a freak!, posted by Red Clay on Oct 8, 2003
He once wrote about Peru and it was unbelieveable. I should have copied it and changed it to Colombia and posted it here just for a reaction. Anyway, I'm going down to Lima in November. I think I read in one of your posts you're going in January? I was planning on going then, but I doubt it now. If my schedule changes, I'll let you know and maybe we can hook up. Title: Re: Hi Red! Post by: Red Clay on October 09, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Hi Red!, posted by surfscum on Oct 8, 2003
Please do if at all possible. I have never read LWL, so he's all new and wonderful to me. Title: You're missing a great show Post by: Michael B on October 09, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Hi Red!, posted by Red Clay on Oct 9, 2003
There are three principal characters on LWL, who between them make up about 75% of the posts. BigB, whom you just seen a rather mild (by his usual standards) sample of, L, who knows everything about LW and 'the market' and has been instrumental in bringing 20 (or is it 200? or maybe 2000, I've lost count) couples together, just can't quite seem to get it together for his own account, and C, who is well, C. Poor C, black women don't like him because he's short (and they're all B's anyway), white women don't like him because he's black (naturaly, they are all racists), AW of any persuasion don't like him because he's poor (darn those gold diggers), other posters don't like him because he's a crybaby. He's been after the same woman (only about 20 years younger than he, BTW) for two years or so. She's told him many times she doesn't love him and doesn't want to marry him, but he thinks his 'love' (actually obsesive desire for control) and "Hey, litle girl, I can give you the big 'G' (green card)" will prevail in the end. Every now and then she needs $50 for something and he gets mad and calls her a scammer. Then he goes to a US club and one of two things happen, either noboby will dance with him (proving once again they are all B's) or somebody DOES dance with him and he falls in love with her. Of couse the lady he danced with thought it was just a dance in a club, nothing more, and when C obsessivly persues her she eventually tells him to flake off (proving that she too is a B). Then he decides the orginal one is worth it after all (as long as he doesn't have to part with any money or lower his 'principals') and goes back to being in love with her. A few sane people (some of them even from this board, a and couple of very nice latinas married to gringos) post there as well, usually to tell L or C (nobody even bothers to reply to B anymore) "Man, that's crazy". Sometimes an honest newbie seeking advice shows up, but they don't usually stay very long. Title: Re: You're missing a great show Post by: Red Clay on October 09, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to You're missing a great show, posted by Michael B on Oct 9, 2003
Wow, I had no idea. Well actually maybe I had a hunch. Never really liked those email-based "forums", especially for amusement only. Title: Re: You're missing a great show Post by: jim c on October 09, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to You're missing a great show, posted by Michael B on Oct 9, 2003
That about covers it mike. jim c Title: Re: You're missing a great show Post by: lswote on October 09, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to You're missing a great show, posted by Michael B on Oct 9, 2003
LOL, I lasted all of three days on LWL. I don't see how you can stand your mailbox filling up with the drivel of those characters. Title: Re: need to know the truth Post by: JSlo on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to need to know the truth, posted by chizz on Oct 7, 2003
Check the archives, this subject has been discussed in the past and I recal an agency owner having some interesting comments that addresses your concern. There are far too many that are simply looking for a good person that you shouldn't waste too much time thinking about it. Trust me, you will do just fine! JSlo Title: The truth be told. Post by: Calipro on October 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to need to know the truth, posted by chizz on Oct 7, 2003
Bryan I have met hundreds of women (of all types) in Cali and I only met one that I know of that really didn't like white guys at all. If you are looking for a women that has a strong preference for a dark man, you are probably in for a up hill battle. Having said that, there is a pretty large black population in Cali and a lot of very attractive dark women in Cali. So I think a lot of women in Cali are open to marrying a dark guy. I don't see how they couldn't be or is it possible for a women to be prejudice against black guys when they are dark skined themselves? Anyway I have seen more than a couple of black guys with knock outs. But, they were good looking guys that dressed sharp. Tell us what you did in Baranquilla? Did you go on a tour or use an agency or What? Calipro Title: Re: The truth be told. Post by: chizz on October 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to The truth be told., posted by Calipro on Oct 7, 2003
Thanks Calipro, I joined up with barranquillasbest/sexysafari(same company) and I must admit I wasn't ready for it. I flew in on the first day with a friend of mine, and was actually depressed by what I saw. It looked like a genuine third world country(mind you I'm from Boston, and I've never seen this type of desolation). It was about a half-hour ride to the hotel, and the two girls who picked us up were really nice, and kept complimenting me on my eyes(hazel). We met some guys who were from the prior week and was leaving the next day, and they said"you will love it here, and don't go for the first girl, take your time and interview a few". A few minutes later, the girls they met showed up, and while not knockouts, were attractive. I was tired so i just went to my room and crashed for the night. the second day, my friend and I went to the agency(barranquillasbest) and were shown the albums to pick the girls we wanted to talk to. Now, I speak alittle spanish and the thought of having someone there to translate for me made me uncomfatable at first, but i got used to it. The first girl I "interviewed"(girl A)was very nice, and i decided to have lunch with her. We went to the pizza place, and ate, and had a good time, but I had another interview and had to get back. I gave her cab fare(found out I would be doing that alot) and she left. I purposely looked for females who spoke alittle english, and my choices were very slim. I did interview one more, but I didn't feel it, so it went no where. I went back to my hotel, and got dress because we were suppose to be meeting at a bar, for a party with about twenty girls. The party was nice, but nothing got my attention. The pretty ones like one of the guys i was with(he was a white guy who spoke good spanish, so i can understand that), and so I was kinda left out. The third day,belonged to me. I made a conscious decision to just have fun, and enjoy, so we went to this hotel, prada I believe, to be introduced to about 50 ladies. However before the introductions they played a shaggy song, and I just cut loose on the dance floor, didn't care who was watching. My boy said "yo, every girl in here is staring at you." i turned around and felt like a steak, in an all you can eat buffet. They purposely held off my introduction untill near last, and when they did the DJ played a reggae song, said something in spanish, and this girl just appeared next to me and we tore the floor up. after the introductions, the girls were very aggresive and just grabbing, and wanting to kiss me, I must admit, it felt good being wanted. I got about 27 numbers that night, i settle down with just one girl that night(big mistake) and didn't even call the others. Needless to say, i spent the rest of my trip with this one lady, even though the other girls were calling my hotel, and calling the agency trying to get in contact with me. The last day was sad, but I gave her a ring and said, "this shows i'm serious about you". She cried and I made her leave before I did to. I got back to the states and signed her up for english classess(very expensive), but after 3 weeks she stopped going, and we gradually went our seperate ways. Sorry this is so long, but I wanted to tell as much as possible about my trip, overall i would give it a "B" because I screwed up and didn't give anyone else a chance. next time I will heed the guys advice"don't get hung up on the first one, or just one, get to know a few". I will do this next time. Thanks for reading. Title: Re: Re: The truth be told. Post by: Hoda on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: The truth be told., posted by chizz on Oct 7, 2003
Wow.... Your experience at the party & the feeling of being "the last steak at the buffet" mirrored my experiences at the old Latin Love Palace in Cali in Sept of 99 (dayum, was it that long ago...lol). Bro, your experience with the ladies that didn't want to deal with you is not unique. To borrow a phrase from another buddy, just remember this..... Next!!!! Move on, those ladies did you a favor! Look at it this way.... atleast they didn't try to play you for your dough! Here's a short story. Back in 99 when I started on the quest. You didn't see as many "morenos" in the agency sites, as you see now. I shared your same concerns about not being accepted because of my "color". There was even a story going around about how a African-American man lured a Colombian women into a life of prostitution here in the states, before she escaped. I was wondering, why should I waste my time going to Colombia. After countless replies to my questions & encouragement from men (black & white), I decided to get off the fence & go to Cali. Go with class & respect for the ladies country & culture & you'll be accepted with open arms. If a lady is going to reject you solely on your color.....you didn't want to be bothered with her anyway! Just remember, don't let your personal "preference" blind you from letting the "right one" from coming into your life, if she happens to be lighter or darker than what you wanted. Go back bro, go back to "find & be found by love".... Peace.... Title: Re: Re: Re: The truth be told. Post by: chizz on October 11, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: The truth be told., posted by Hoda on Oct 8, 2003
Sup hoda, Thanks for the advice, I'm glad to know you've shared my experiences. I am going back to colombia, but this time i'm going to cali. I hope to have as much success as you have. thanks again. Bryan Title: Thanks Post by: markxport on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: The truth be told., posted by Hoda on Oct 8, 2003
Hey Hoda, Hope all is going well with you and your lady. Thanks for coming back and giving your experience and comments. Take care, Mark Title: 50 Ladies, All of them trying to kiss you ---- and you want to go to Cali??? Post by: Miguel on October 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: The truth be told., posted by chizz on Oct 7, 2003
Think I'd go back to Barranquilla. You could spend a month following up on those 27 telephone numbers. I can see it now, Chizz's 2003 Barranquilla tour, "Ladies, sharpen your knives, your hunk of prime beef has arrived." Don't know Cali, but IMHO, women in Barranquilla on average are nicer and more attractive than Bogota. And obviously you've had good luck there. Title: Re: 50 Ladies, All of them trying to kiss you ---- and you want to go to Cali??? Post by: chizz on October 11, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to 50 Ladies, All of them trying to kiss yo..., posted by Miguel on Oct 7, 2003
Sup Miguel, I definately enjoyed myself, however I made the mistake of only spending time with the first one, and not getting to know a few more. I even went to the point of letting her tear up the numbers I had gotten, so i could show her how serious I was. Bad mistake. I'm going to cali, because I heard great things about it, as well as some negative. But you can't be scared or timid in life. Bryan Title: Re: Re: 50 Ladies, All of them trying to kiss you ---- and you want to go to Cali??? Post by: HeyNow on October 11, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: 50 Ladies, All of them trying to kis..., posted by chizz on Oct 11, 2003
It is incredible when the woman wants "exclusive rights". How did she know you had those numbers? Title: Miguel Post by: moam on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to 50 Ladies, All of them trying to kiss yo..., posted by Miguel on Oct 7, 2003
Send me an e-mail so that I can get back to you. And by the way, NO LOVE LOST due to our little exchange. Should we cross paths in SA, the first cerveza is on me!! PS. That goes for burbuja2 as well. I am here to learn as well forge friendships, not enemies!! moam Title: Re: Miguel Post by: Miguel on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Miguel, posted by moam on Oct 8, 2003
Moam, actually I sent you an E-mail on a topic of mutual interest just before you posted above. We've got some similar interests, along with burbuja, and hope our paths do cross. Well, then, the second round is on me. Title: Re: Re: Miguel Post by: moam on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Miguel, posted by Miguel on Oct 8, 2003
Great!! Now where is Burbuja, we'll save a chair for him also. Miguel, got a personal e-mail ady? Title: I'm Right Behind You, Moam Post by: burbuja2 on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Miguel, posted by moam on Oct 8, 2003
Its just taking me a while to belly up to the bar. Title: Re: Re: Re: Miguel Post by: Miguel on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Miguel, posted by moam on Oct 8, 2003
Moam, timbuktu68@nospam.com. Or reply to message I sent you earlier. Title: Re: Re: The truth be told. Post by: chizz on October 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: The truth be told., posted by chizz on Oct 7, 2003
Oh yeah, they actually took some photos of me dancing with the young lady, and the picture(s) can be seen at southamericanladies.com. On the second page I believe, I have on the white shirt and blue pants. take care Bryan Title: I don't want to be a racist Post by: elcolombiano on October 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to need to know the truth, posted by chizz on Oct 7, 2003
[This message has been edited by elcolombiano] Colombia is a very racist country. An Indian looking person is looked down upon and a black person is looked down upon below an Indian. That is is the way it is. Please don't get angry with me. This is what I was told by my family. Title: Re: need to know the truth Post by: zack on October 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to need to know the truth, posted by chizz on Oct 7, 2003
Throughout my Colombia travels I knew a few black men and all of them found a very desirable woman. Just be persistant and don't give up. You'll do fine. Zack Title: There is prejudice everywhere. Post by: Freddie on October 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to need to know the truth, posted by chizz on Oct 7, 2003
Even in Colombia, as you found out. I wouldn't give up yet. There are more dark girls in the north coast areas (Cartagena and BQ) than in the south due to the influx of slaves in the coastal regions but they can be found everywhere in Colombia. That said, I hooked up a black guy who was a friend of a friend and he went to Cali and found a beautiful girl. They have been married for 3 years and and have a little girl. It's not the city or the intro service, it's the girl. Just be yourself and keep looking for that gem. Title: Re: need to know the truth Post by: Michael B on October 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to need to know the truth, posted by chizz on Oct 7, 2003
You need to talk to Hoda. He's black. He's married to a Colombiana, he's happy. He'll give you the strait dope. Search the archives, see if you can scare up his email address. Or you might make a post titled 'Black man wants to know....' and hope he sees it. (actualy, I've got his email address, but won't give it out without his permission). Title: It's ironic Post by: Cali vet on October 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: need to know the truth, posted by Michael B on Oct 7, 2003
Hoda sought, found and married a black calena. As such he wouldn't have encountered the racism from women that is very common in this country. He posted about encountering lots of racism in Bogota. One side of my wife's family is black yet she could be considered racist in that she wouldn't date and marry a black Colombian. Racism here is full of ironies like that. Title: Ironies indeed.... Post by: Hoda on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to It's ironic, posted by Cali vet on Oct 7, 2003
[This message has been edited by Hoda] Our experience was not the norm for black visitors to Bogota. I've been informed of positive experiences by African-Americans who have recently visited Bogota. You'll find racism rearing it's ugly head in every country & culture to some degree. One has to develope their own "work arounds" in dealing with awkward situations as they come up. CV's wife's views on dating/marrying Black Colombians aren't unique. Those same views can be found with some African American women here! Before Stivalis came into my life, I didn't experience any problems in dating Colombian women of any shade. It's natural to have preferences, we all have our preferences. Just don't let the "right one" get away, because she's lighter or darker than what your natural "preference" may have been. Title: p.s. Post by: Hoda on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Ironies indeed...., posted by Hoda on Oct 8, 2003
CV... My lady had sworn off Black Colombian men, because of the drama of past relationships with them. I told her, isn't that a coincidence....I swore off trying to find happiness w/African-American women because of the drama also... Title: Re: p.s. Post by: cassius on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to p.s., posted by Hoda on Oct 8, 2003
there are many good reasons not to date an african-american woman...it is very easy to free yourself. Title: Michael, email Hoda and have him check the board. n/t Post by: Freddie on October 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM Title: Re: Michael, email Hoda and have him check the board. n/t Post by: Michael B on October 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Michael, email Hoda and have him check t..., posted by Freddie on Oct 7, 2003
[This message has been edited by Michael B] Good idea. I just don't want to give out his address without permission, but certainly don't mind telling him to take a look. update-sent him the email Title: Interview time..... Post by: Hoda on October 08, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Michael, email Hoda and have him che..., posted by Michael B on Oct 7, 2003
Congrats Michael... Get ready bro, cuz the "hard, but most rewarding" part is about to begin for you... Peace... Title: Re: need to know the truth Post by: roadken on October 07, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to need to know the truth, posted by chizz on Oct 7, 2003
You will encounter some of that.But there are plenty of women who "prefer" or will consider a black man.Look at it this way.It will help you narrow the field.If you are considerate,attractive and serious you will be very happy in either Bogota or Cali.Good luck |