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Title: Let them wait.....for a while! Post by: HansErich on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM Today in my inbox of email:
hola corazon... por que tanto silencio, o es qeu tan facilmente te olvidaste de mi???? espero que no.. en cuanto puedas, comunicate por favor... te extrañoo.. besos... hasta pronto.... con cariño Patty ****
And in the meantime i can go and count the number of ashtrays at the shopping mall in bucaramanja??? regards, Hans_Erich. Title: Re: LOL! Post by: Traveller on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Let them wait.....for a while!, posted by HansErich on Aug 13, 2003
Ok Hans, I think, I myself, and I speak for no one other than myself, how you are. Obvioulsy, being an AMERICAN, perhaps I am missing something about your type of humour. It just looks like to me your are insulting just about everyone you have written about and just about everyone that has responded to your posts. I did not give you any advice, simply making an observation. And frankly, I do not believe I will waste my time giving you any. I know, I know, that really kills you because you know so much about Colombia that there is no need to have such petty and useless advice. I would wish you luck in your search for a woman who will give you no sh!t, but I can already see where that's going. Title: Re: Let them wait.....for a while! Post by: Georgina on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Let them wait.....for a while!, posted by HansErich on Aug 13, 2003
In the 6 years that I worked for a company in Peru, I only took a vacation once and when I did I had to look for someone who I could trust, someone who would cover me while I was gone and wouldn't "steal" my job. Put yourself in her shoes. Would you take a 3-week vacation for someone you don't know who is promising you would go to visit you? I wonder how many men tell them they will visit and never show up. They have to be careful. And in the event that you paid for her time off, what assures her she will have a job when she returns to work after 3 weeks of vacation. Like you said, you need a back-up plan. Check with an agency and get appointments with the woman during the day and visit with your friend in the evenings. Title: Job insecurity in SA Post by: surfscum on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Let them wait.....for a while!, posted by Georgina on Aug 13, 2003
Georgina, your post is right on! My novia lost her position because she took 2 weeks off when I came down. When she went back to her job, she found out that the boss' mistress had been given her position and she was moved into another office. This was not because she took the time off (unpaid time off, since she works as a consultant) but because the mistress thinks Maribel is telling the boss's wife what's going on. Maribel doesn't get in the middle of all this, but she has received calls from the wife and has had to handle a very delicate situation. Plus the verbal and emotional abuse, the late and/or partial payment of wages at the whim of the boss, she could go on, but it is not imagineable what she goes through for me. She and others put up with this because of the 40% unemployment in Peru. Title: Re: Job insecurity in SA Post by: Georgina on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Job insecurity in SA, posted by surfscum on Aug 13, 2003
I am sorry for what your fiancee has to put up with. My ex-boss was tacaño, but I managed to deal with him. However, he was never disrespectful and never yelled at me or something like that. Title: Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a while! Post by: HansErich on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Let them wait.....for a while!, posted by Georgina on Aug 13, 2003
Hola amiga Georgina, I was in Peru...as well in Bolivia. They ALL got several WEEKS (paid) off a year!!!! My last date was a contabil at a large firm in Lima. She got a WHOLE MONTH leave when I met her in Lima. There w ere more women that got (paid) holidays. Ture...not as many as here in the west and also at low wages, BUT they realy have paid free holidays!!! I am not talking about uneducated girls that work as a housemaid or in a factory.
Suerte. Hans-Erich. PS: not to worry...i allready have a back up plan. Title: Thanks for the good laught Post by: Georgina on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a while!, posted by HansErich on Aug 13, 2003
Ha, ha. Is this black humor or what? I am sure there are people who hold good jobs and pays in SA, but this is not the rule. Maybe you were dating a top government employee. I doubt it. I had a better job than many in my country (thanks God) and I wanted to keep it. I had a paid vacation and paid holidays, but this in most parts of SA doesn't mean you will still have a job when you return from your vacation. THERE IS NOT JOB STABILITY ¿Comprendes? Whatever your profession is maid or factory worker or engineer with a MA degree, you take care of your job and are careful about taking free time. As for education, I can tell you of many educated people in SA holding a degree who have to work as maids and factory workers to be able to survive. Are you sure you have been to Brazil and Argentina? You are showing off your total ignorance of the reality in South America. You should subscribe to Latin Trade, maybe this magazine can help you a little to understand the economics in the land where I was born and lived for 25 years. Thanks for the laugh, anyway. Chao Title: Re: Thanks for the good laught Post by: Traveller on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Thanks for the good laught, posted by Georgina on Aug 13, 2003
Good one, Girl! Take Care. Title: Re: Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a while! Post by: beenthere on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a while!, posted by HansErich on Aug 13, 2003
I'm sure Georgina had a GOOD employer. Don't insult her just because she shared her first hand experience with you. After all, she is a Peruvian, born and raised, you've dated 2 Peruanas, and all of a sudden you know more about the employment practices of Peru than she does??? What's up with you Hans??? I own a business with 25 employees, and yes I am a good employer. But if one of my upper management people would come in to my office and ask for 3 weeks off because "good ole Hans" was coming into town, they would be denied. First of all they need to put in their request at least 8 weeks in advance. Number 2, they might not have any vacation time left, might have already used it up. #3 we might be in the middle of our busy season and can't afford to lose people at that time. #4 Other key employees may be taking vacation at that time. #5 the employee in question might not have a position that offers vacation due to lack of seniority. Most firms require that an employee be with a company for a year before they are eligible for vacation. I could go on and on with reasons. Hans, your attitude needs an adjustment. Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a while! Post by: moam on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a whil..., posted by beenthere on Aug 13, 2003
Thank God for self employment, no more drama!!! Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a while! Post by: HansErich on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a whil..., posted by beenthere on Aug 13, 2003
I never insulted georgina....and I think she will agree with me. So sir...there is NO NEED to spread the testosteron!!!!;-) I just told what I experienced there. Nothing more...noting less.
You seem to forget that I am NOT an American. I have other values...education....language....opinions. You Americans must try to see other people how they are NOT what YOU like them to be!!!!!!!!
Hans-Erich. Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a while! Post by: beenthere on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a ..., posted by HansErich on Aug 13, 2003
Here we go with the anti-American thing!!!!!!!!!!! I KNEW this was coming. Good Luck Hans!!!!! Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a while! Post by: wizard on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Let them wait.....fo..., posted by beenthere on Aug 13, 2003
you are correct... the Aeron is come again.... Title: Reading Between the Lines... Post by: burbuja2 on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Let them wait.....for a while!, posted by HansErich on Aug 13, 2003
I think she wants you to keep your Hans to yourself. Title: Pimp your mamma. Post by: HansErich on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Reading Between the Lines..., posted by burbuja2 on Aug 13, 2003
Dear Burbuja2
????? Who do you think you are kidding here??? Go and tell your fairy tales to someone else but not to me!!
Sounds to me you are just a PIMP on the run for justice!! Hans-Erich. Title: Banned Post by: Patrick on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM Title: Bring Hanz back... Post by: CaliAdvisor on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Banned, posted by Patrick on Aug 13, 2003
That guy had a lot of very interesting stuff to say. Although I think he's got a lot to learn about the reality of Colombian work procedures, he was practical and methodical in his search and could make for an interesing case. Title: Re: Bring Hanz back... Post by: beenthere on August 14, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Bring Hanz back..., posted by CaliAdvisor on Aug 13, 2003
CaliAdvisor Practical in his search??? All he did was complain & moan about the women he was corresponding with, and all latin women in general. His search consisted of meeting women over the internet and if they didn't immediately fall in love with him and be at his beck and call, he would get upset. He's never set foot in Colombia, yet he was an expert. Also he was immature in the way he handled himself when confronted with a differing opinion. Very tactless and rude. I think Patrick acted properly and nipped a problem poster in the bud. I wasn't too happy with Hans' last post to me when he started with his "you Americans" diatribe, which is so atypical of some Europeans who think that Americans are trying to tell them what to do and what to think, when in reality, we are just expressing our opinions. Unfortunately, our opinions just so happen to differ from Hans'. Glad to see him go. Title: Re: Re: Bring Hanz back... Post by: CaliAdvisor on August 14, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Bring Hanz back..., posted by beenthere on Aug 14, 2003
Listen.. When I say he was practical in his search i mean that he was from what I have seen to the first to use a caluculated, methological, internet and chat room based approach. And as someone who lives in South America and has travelled througout south america, i have to say hanz is more of an expert for having lived in Brazil several years and speaking spanish and portuguese than any guy who was merely come down to Cali to visit various times. While I agree that he was WAY OFF BASE about the whole working situation. Title: Re: Re: Re: Bring Hanz back... Post by: beenthere on August 14, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Bring Hanz back..., posted by CaliAdvisor on Aug 14, 2003
CaliAdvisor, First of all chat rooms are a big waste of time. Secondly, Hans is not the first to use the internet. I have used and am currently using cybercupido.com and also amigos.com., and I know that many members of this forum are also. Based on his posts here, Hans had no success with these avenues. He constantly complained about the women he met, and also stated that the women stopped writing him. Check the archives. If you want to "look up" to Hans, as far as him being some kind of pioneer, well I think you're wasting your time. Yes, Hans was "calculated" alright, and very methodical in offending not only the members of his forum, but also many latinas (most noteably the one from Bucaramanga). As someone who lives in SA, you of all should see that Hans will have problems in Colombia, just as he did in Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia, & Peru. If he was so great, he would still be there now, wowing the women. Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bring Hanz back... Post by: CaliAdvisor on August 14, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Bring Hanz back..., posted by beenthere on Aug 14, 2003
hahaha... Maybe your right. The guy really did seem to be striking out, and for someone who lived in Brazil, his understanding of these women seemed to be pretty shoddy at best. But I still think he added an interesting perspective to the board. Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bring Hanz back... Post by: beenthere on August 14, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Bring Hanz back..., posted by CaliAdvisor on Aug 14, 2003
Yeah, At first I liked Hans, even told him that i thought he was a great guy in one of my posts. But sooner or later everyone's true personality comes out. He definitely started to get out of line. But as Pablo stated above, someone else will show up to liven things up around here. Take care. Title: Re: Bring Hanz back... Post by: zack on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Bring Hanz back..., posted by CaliAdvisor on Aug 13, 2003
I am new to this board, at least from a posting standpoint. Yes, hans sometimes had interesting things to say. But read his last post before he was banned- so typical of him- very short tempered and spits venom for even the smallest attacks on him. Burbuja made one small comment agaist him and Hans ripped his entire life apart! In my opinion, short-tempered, venom-spitters do more harm than good on this board. Bring Hans Back? Maybe after he grows up a bit. Until then, forget it! Zack Title: Hey Zack... Post by: wizard on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Bring Hanz back..., posted by zack on Aug 13, 2003
Just what is an "enesthesiologist"??? Title: Re: Hey Zack... Post by: jim c on August 14, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Hey Zack..., posted by wizard on Aug 13, 2003
Don't worry Gandolph he just forgot how to spell his occupation but he can look it up on google. jim Ps what do you recommend worms or shrimp peace love and farm trout Title: Re: Re: Hey Zack... Post by: wizard on August 14, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Hey Zack..., posted by jim c on Aug 14, 2003
Actually, I subscribe to the Bodreaux & Tibodeaux Louisiana method of fishing... I use a stick of dynamite and a net... hehehe... Title: Re: Re: Re: Hey Zack... Post by: Pete E on August 14, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Hey Zack..., posted by wizard on Aug 14, 2003
The only way to fish that wouldn't bore me to death.The geenies tend to frown on it though. Pete Title: Speed fishing Post by: Pete E on August 14, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Hey Zack..., posted by Pete E on Aug 14, 2003
AS a water skier I always had kind of a disdain for fishermen,and they for me,probably.Look at those guys,just sitting on the bank holding a fishing pole,not moving.Looks like an excuse to do nothing to me.They are probably thinking look at those guys racing by,throwing up water and doing tremendous wipe outs. But they put it all together in the ultimate oxemoron,speed fishing,as in a bass tournament.Thats where you go 80 mph to a place where you stop and fish and sit.If you catch something you go 80 mph back with it to try and win. Reminds me of a car story article where these guys were driving Ferraris in Italy.Then stopped for lunch.The writer said there was something a little crazy about driving 150 mph to spend 4 hours having lunch. My dad was a fisherman,me not.As a kid I used to go with him for something to do.One time he was fishing on a river,I was sitting up a hill above him watching.I got bored and started rolling rocks downhill for fun.One started a rockslide that almost took him out. "You trying to kill me?" he says. Pete Title: chum... (n/t) Post by: cancunhound on August 14, 2003, 04:00:00 AM Title: Re: Hey Zack... Post by: zack on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Hey Zack..., posted by wizard on Aug 13, 2003
Assuming you're not kidding, an anesthesiologist is an MD that administers anesthesia to prepare patients for a pain-free surgery. It can be general anesthesia (totally out), or a spinal/epidural anesthesia which numbs patients from the waist down (for knee surgeries). We also have a pain clinic where we do peripheral nerve blocks for chronic pain. The list goes on. Anesthesiologists are very well loved in the obstetrical suites, for obvious reasons. Zack Title: Re: Re: Hey Zack... Post by: wizard on August 14, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Hey Zack..., posted by zack on Aug 13, 2003
Just curious as you misspelled your profession in you profile... We have had a flurry of trolls around here lately and any new poster is highly suspicious until they have been around awhile... Mark Title: Re: Re: Re: Hey Zack... Post by: zack on August 14, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Hey Zack..., posted by wizard on Aug 14, 2003
I knew there was something strange about your question, but I don't blame you for asking it. I hate trolls as much as you do. When I type too fast and don't re-read my post, I can misspell even my own name. Zack Title: Maybe a warning category is in order? Post by: cancunhound on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Banned, posted by Patrick on Aug 13, 2003
Granted he was getting a little carried away at times, but maybe he just needed a little tap with a "smart stick" to put 'em back on track. I don't think he had evil intentions - and I was curious to track his "internet" dating approach (Could have been a perfect lesson in what not to do). I vote bring 'em back on a short leash. Title: Since this is the Latin board... Post by: DallasSteve2 on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Maybe a warning category is in order?, posted by cancunhound on Aug 13, 2003
maybe Patrick could issue a Yellow card like in futbol. :-) Steve Title: Re: Since this is the Latin board... Post by: roadken on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Since this is the Latin board..., posted by DallasSteve2 on Aug 13, 2003
I agree.Hanz is a bit of a bore but very interesting. A " yellow card" seems about right.Good idea.LOL Title: Re: Maybe a warning category is in order? Post by: moam on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Maybe a warning category is in order?, posted by cancunhound on Aug 13, 2003
I second that motion. I thought the guy was funny at times, but, I'm not wound up so tight either. Title: Re: Re: Maybe a warning category is in order? Post by: stefang on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Maybe a warning category is in order..., posted by moam on Aug 13, 2003
I think it is a German thing. Germans are well known to always think their way is the best and they are never wrong. They also have bad tempers but I really would like to know what kind of wife he is searching for? He seems to want a woman who never talks back, never asks or needs money and is at his call day and night. Title: Re: Banned Post by: Cali James on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM Title: Re: Banned Post by: jim c on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Banned, posted by Patrick on Aug 13, 2003
Wow Patrick You banned him before I could even perfect my post to him. You know, he was just warming up. jim c Title: Re: Re: Banned Post by: Pete E on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Banned, posted by jim c on Aug 13, 2003
Jim, Patrick warned there would be zero tolerance untill things settle down.I can't fault him for that.After some of our recent long drug out negative threads I thought he might just get a little quicker on the trigger. Yeah I think he was just getting warmed up but we could see the direction.He wasn't all bad but got negative enough in his last post above to get banned.He was interesting in a way but I was getting a little tired and stopped reading most of it. You could still post your response.He could read it even if he can't respond,and of course so could we. Now,since we are without flame war intertainment,it would be a great time for someone to post some trip reports or relationship updates. And I am waiting for your impressions of Cartegena and what you find there for real estate opportunities.I know you haven't traveled there this time but it sounds like you are doing it shortly? Ever consider Santa Marta?Its the next place I want to check out. Pete Title: Re: Re: Re: Banned Post by: jim c on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Banned, posted by Pete E on Aug 13, 2003
In my opinion all four of them were trolls. Aaron was just allowed to last longer. Their responses and writing styles were all very simular. When I said warming up, I meant he was going to lose it. Well good ridance, but In the back of my mind I know they are still here. jimc PS will give you a report asap on Cartagena Title: Re: Let them wait.....for a while! Post by: Traveller on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Let them wait.....for a while!, posted by HansErich on Aug 13, 2003
Let me get this straight. You're dogging this girl because the girl can't get he day off to see you. You think that paying her days wage is compensation enough? What if she loses her job because someone sees her with you after she calls in sick or something? That's pretty selfish. Jobs are NOT a dime a dozen here and the ones that are here don't offer paid vactions and sick days. You know, you guys who come down here and expect a girl to put her daily life on hold for you, a guy she met on the internet or met once, is ludicrious. Hans wants this girl to do just that, but he states he wouldn't send a girl he's known for a week over the internet any money, but he wants her to drop everything for him when she is in the same situation. Why the double standard? Title: double standards Post by: Ralph on August 14, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Let them wait.....for a while!, posted by Traveller on Aug 13, 2003
I agree. It seems on both this list and LWL many times the man's side of the equation is all that is important. When I see posts talking about using the K1 as a 90 day "test drive" I cringe. Personally I would never apply for a K1 if I was not already sure I wanted to get married. Also I would let the woman decide which route was best K1 or spousal visa as it would most mipact her life. On LWL I have had several disagreements with a member who constantly states that it is the man that takes MORE risks. I disagree. We spend a few bucks etc , but the woman takes more risks. A woamn that drops everything, moves to the states on a K1 only to not pass the "test drive" test, will most likely not get her job back. As Georgina and others have pointed out, jobs are NOT real easy to come by, especially good ones. Also the women would most likely be embarassed to be sent home. Title: Damaged Goods Post by: Michael B on August 17, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to double standards, posted by Ralph on Aug 14, 2003
I've got a job, next payday I'll have more money. A Latina who failed the 'test drive' and returns home in shame (damaged goods) can't get her job nor her reputation back nearly as easily (if at all). Those guys who say 'Man, I'm risking 6 G's and she's risking nothing' make me sick. Title: Exactly! Post by: HeyNow on August 16, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to double standards, posted by Ralph on Aug 14, 2003
Exactly! Ralph you hit the nail on the head. I know the "K-1 verses spousal visa" debate has been worn out. The key is if both parties are totally convinced. If you are convinced then it doesn't matter. I was engaged once and I did exactly what you said, I let her choose. She said K-1. Title: Re: double standards Post by: beenthere on August 14, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to double standards, posted by Ralph on Aug 14, 2003
Ralph, I agree 100%. I get really tired of cynics like Hans, and others who blame their failures on the women. I feel sorry for many of the girls, especially the ones in agencies, who have dreams of meeting their "principe azul" and constantly are disappointed with the quality of men who are in the agencies. Many girls have shared with me their horror stories. Men who don't know how to dress, behave, be gentlemen, etc. etc. Men who don't want to learn spanish and the latin culture. And when these men bring the women here, it's even worse. This is just my opinion, but I feel like the majority of the failed relationships are the man's fault, expecting just too much out of the latin women. Part of this could be part of the agencies' hype, filling the gringos' heads with the idea that these women are perfect. But they are human, have their faults. For them to leave their country, their culture, family, friends, language, etc., and not have problems adjusting??? think about it............and guys like Hans expect them to be perfect. We, as men, need to be alot more patient with the latinas, more giving, less cynical, more empathetic, don't expect so much. I learned alot from my failed relationship, this time around, I'm taking my time, finding the right one. Maybe some of the guys on this board who have successful relationships can post some of their stories, and relate what their "secrets" are. Or maybe Georgina can give a woman's point of view. Title: lots of baggage Post by: Ralph on August 14, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: double standards, posted by beenthere on Aug 14, 2003
So much bashing of AW, ex wives, etc etc etc. If one is not happy on their own, looking for another person to make them happy is not a great way to think. You are right leaving family, friends, culture, country, language and jobs behind in many cases to be with a guy they have spent a few days time with. I wouldn't do it. Would you? I spent a lot of time with my ex. I traveled to her country over 20 times to see her. Called every day, several times per day. Spoke decent spanish etc etc etc. Things still did not work out because she had major trouble adjusting. You won't see me say a bad thing about her, I feel bad that it didn't work out and can understand how much pressure she felt. I was also dealing with work related pressure so the timing really sucked. Heck, I don't have anything bad to say about AW, even my first wife. AW sometimes appear to be looking for "rich guys". So what? We are all looking for "hotties". Everybody should be able to look for what they want. Title: Second that Post by: cancunhound on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Let them wait.....for a while!, posted by Traveller on Aug 13, 2003
Thought never occured to me that not many here are aware of how the employment works down there - like Traveller said, rare to have sick or paid days off. Typically they'll be working Saturday. A good employer may permit non-paid days off, but if it's a competitive position that's not often a great idea. But no worries, often a long lunch and these gals have energy - so you'll have plenty of time for dating at night. I'm not going to guestimate what Hans is looking for, but with his experience in SA I would think he should know to be reversing his list priorities so far - this gal sounds like a winner. I've not heard of anyone extensively utilizing this internet tactic 1st before visiting - should be interesting to see Hans' results shortly. Title: Re: Second that Post by: HansErich on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Second that, posted by cancunhound on Aug 13, 2003
dear Cancunhound, yes I myself am curious too. I will check this out in order to see if he is ok or not. If you have questions just ask me. In Cartagena I allready have found a nice (german run) guest house for about 70.000 pesos with breakfast:-) It is safe....good...and GF-friendly;-) I myself even have plans to settle down.....but not now...maybe in 2004...2005. Cartagena is numero UNO on my list. Keep in tuch. Your Hans-Erich. PS: I am thinking to start breeding Rottweiler or Shepard dogs there. I know there is a GOOD market for Pedigree dogs in SA. Title: Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a while! Post by: HansErich on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Let them wait.....for a while!, posted by Traveller on Aug 13, 2003
I am NOT "dogging"her.....!!(please no jokes about dogs). I only ASK if she PUT an intrest in me aswell I do in her!! She asks me to stay in a SH!thole city for 3 weeks???? Wait till she gets home from work at 18.00???? What can I do???? count the astrays in the shopping mall??? Get Real....and learn that latinas MUST also "invest" in a relationship. I do NOT ask for money.....BUT only for effort and understanding. Seems that this is lacking with many latinas. This latina sounds very spoild to me. I kick her to the street,and I will find another one that shows intrest in me;-) I do NOT need to take crap like this from ANY woman. Hans. Title: Re: Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a while! Post by: Traveller on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a while!, posted by HansErich on Aug 13, 2003
Ah yeah, good move, calling her hometown a sh!thole. As many guys that have been to Colombia and read this board, there is a good chance someone knows the woman you are writing and is going to tell her what your response is about her and her town. These people are proud of the little freakin' pueblos they come from. I come from a small town so small our high shool mascot is a Horned Toad. A Mighty Horned Toad to be sure, but a small reptile none the less. And you know what, I am still proud to be from that place and if you call it a Sh!thole, I'll have words with you. Same thing here. Now you're DOGGING Burbuja2 because he is making a fairly non-threatning jab at you with an obvious joke and you talk about pimping his Mom. His profile is off centre. Big deal. "Who do you think you are kidding here???" Well, all of us. It's a jab a bit at himself and isn't suppose to be serious. So, he USED to own an adult oriented business. So? He never elobarated on what it WAS. And, he NO LONGER has it. You don't know the reason he NON LONGER has it. But, to suggest that he pimps his mother out for tricks is a little to far for adult behavior. What are you, like in the 8th grade? Your other remark about lawyers, considering your other remarks towards Burbuja2, I am not sure if you are joking or not, but my best friend of 20 years is a lawyer. So, you can take the "atorney" are lowlifes from the worst part anyway" remark and shove it in your ear. Not to mention there are other attorneys who use this board, so they might take issue with that last remark, as well. Yeah, didn't make to many friends on the board today. Whichever way you want to go about finding a woman is your business, but when you air it out in public and you get some advice or criticism, attacking said people will get you in the DOGHOUSE, when you could get some valuable advice. If you have some much experience in South America, why even ask questions here? It's apparent that you don't want to go to this Sh!thole town of this girl (which by the way my secretary and ex-girlfriend are from), you don't want to make concessions if she can't get the days off from her job to be able to see you, you don't want to count ashtrays in the mall, you have many other plans including going to Cartagena to go smell a guy to see if he smells like a con artist, you don't want to settle down until 2004 or 2005, your complaning that the girl you want(?) to see in Bucaramanga has more suitors "Because righjt down the corner anotgher 4 guys are waiting....!!", and you have already decided "I kick her to the street,and I will find another one that shows intrest in me;-) I do NOT need to take crap like this from ANY woman." Well my friend, if you are going confide all this on a public forum, well people are going to make comments and if you don't like those comments, maybe you should keep them to yourself. After all that, I think I agree with beenthere that you are the one who is spoiled. Just my unimportant rantings for the day. PS: DOGS RULE! and they're funny too. ACK! Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a while! Post by: HansErich on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a whil..., posted by Traveller on Aug 13, 2003
Hey..I even call my home town a Sh!thole!! And infact Dortmund is a sh!thole...!! Well I guess you do not understand my humor and vice versa. I was never in Colombia...told you that. I don't think colombians are SOOOO different from any other latin people. But that just my 2 cents. btw....I actualy forget what advise you gave me???? Could you please repeat it?? what is wrong with settle down in Cartagena in 2004 or 2005??? Not everybody liks Cali....;-) His profile is OFF centre??? wich means???? I think you sir do not like my straight foward form of communication. That your friend is a lawyer is of no concearn to me. I still think they are AssH0les. That is my opinuon. Also it is fine that you are proud of your little town. I for my part am not willing to spend much money to stay in a SH!THOLE for 3 weeks.....and even in Lonely planet they say it is a SH!Thole....so???? Come on.....!! Get real. have a real nice day. bye bye Hans-Erich Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a while! Post by: beenthere on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a ..., posted by HansErich on Aug 13, 2003
Hans, In regards to your "straight forward form of communication" there is something which is called "being tactful". It sure goes a long way in winning friends and influencing people, not to mention just being proper & respectful. Oh by the way, it can also go a long way in getting a good woman, Colombiana or otherwise. Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a while! Post by: Traveller on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Let them wait.....fo..., posted by beenthere on Aug 13, 2003
"straight forward form of communication" Huh? Maybe, it's because I am a simple American, but it's kind of hard to follow. Not your fault, as English is apparently not your first language. Kind of like me speaking in Spanish, I know excatly what I am saying, but to everyone else I sound like a Spanish speaking Neanderthal. Either way, your form of "straight forward form of communication" just seems rude even with the excuse that your English AIN'T exactly perfect. Title: Re: Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a while! Post by: beenthere on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a while!, posted by HansErich on Aug 13, 2003
Hans, my friend, I think you are the one that is spoiled. I believe Traveler gave you some good advice. I'm not sure if you know it, but he has alot more experience in Latin America than 99% of the people on this board. He lives and works in Cali, knows Colombian women better than most. I've made over 27 trips to Colombia and was married to a Calena. When guys give you advice on this board, you should appreciate it, and take it for what it's worth. they are investing their time to help you by posting. Again Hans, I think your attitude is defintely going to hurt you in Colombia. I know these women. Be patient, be humble, don't expect them to drop everything for you, until you deserve it. You don't even know this women, yet you feel like she's giving you crap. When someone in the know tells you that Colombian women can't just take a day off when they want, or that they don't get vacactions, BELIEVE IT!! This isn't Brazil or Argentina.......... Good luck............ Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a while! Post by: HansErich on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a whil..., posted by beenthere on Aug 13, 2003
Hi, NO I am NOT spoild.....never was. I sleep on the floor if i have too.....and do not want luxury goods. I worked very hard all my life.(factory and bakery shop) I am simply NOT accepted that there are girls that treat me like sh^t. I accept that they TOO MUST invest in a relationship. If men behave like clowns....in Cali or elsewere I will NOT except and not adapt to that. I still have my selfrespect. I am NOT a clown...and NOT a begging dog. Simple as that. regards, Hans-Erich. Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a while! Post by: valuedcustomer on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a ..., posted by HansErich on Aug 13, 2003
If I understand correctly what you say, I think it is good advice. The “clown” is generally a weak man who has never been to Latin America, doesn’t understand Spanish, and is a mark for every con-artist agency owner and player female. The “dog” is a man who apparently doesn’t have the necessary IQ to locate the nearest whorehouse. I have seen both types in Cali. I would suggest that a “real man” not have any sex with the women. When a man has sex with one of the women he is establishing, knowingly or unknowingly, a USER Relationship. She has given him what he wants, and the next day she asks for what she wants. If you don’t have sex with a woman, you don’t fall into this. What do you do if you go to a shopping mall and your date asks you to buy a dress? If you didn’t have sex with her, you know she is a user and you dump her fast. And what if you had sex with her the night before? It’s not so simple, is it? If you used her, it is only right that she uses you. And you will have a USER Relationship which will be impossible to change once married, if you are crazy enough to marry her. If you don’t have sex with the women, you keep your mind and your relationships clean, so that you can easily detect the first woman who is ready to enter into a LOVE Relationship. Periodically, we get here the waa waa stories from the guys who did it the wrong way. I don’t feel sorry for them. Title: disagree Post by: Ralph on August 14, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Let them wait.....fo..., posted by valuedcustomer on Aug 13, 2003
I don't think of sex as a one way street. I don't think if I have sex with someone that I have "used" them. I never push the issue, never pressure anyone. If it happens, it happens. When it comes to deciding whether to buy a lady a dress, whether or not I slept with her does not enter into the equation. With my current novia, when I first met her the first 5 nights I got pecks on the cheek. She worked every day till 6:00 and then went to school till 9:00. On the 4th day when I noticed she was mixing and matching stuff she had already worn when we went out, I assumed she did not have a huge wardrobe. She spent 90% of her time working, studying, and taking care of her son. So. . . .there was a concert on the weekend that I wanted to see. In a really nice club. I asked her if she wanted to go. She seemed hesitant. I asked if she liked the singer, her eyes lit up. I quickly realized that she was most likely worried that she might not have apropriate clothes. I took her shopping and bought her a new outfit. It didn't cost all that much and she didn't ask for it. At that point I had gotten no more than a peck on the cheek, and certainly didn't feel I should get more because I bought her some clothes. By the end of my trip, I still had not "gotten any", although we advanced a bit past pecks on the cheek. I also had a great time. I went back 2 weeks later to see her again. Title: Well said.... Post by: Cali James on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Let them wait.....fo..., posted by valuedcustomer on Aug 13, 2003
n/t Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a while! Post by: beenthere on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a ..., posted by HansErich on Aug 13, 2003
Being spoiled does not necessarily relate to having material goods. I was referring to your attitude. How women should just drop everything they are doing because "good ole Hans" is coming to town. From what you posted, this women wants you to come to her town, how is it that she is treating you like sh*&??? She wants you there with her??? And you think her town is a sh**h&le??? What do you expect??? That comment is very disrepectful, and it kind of shows the "real" Hans. Maybe I was wrong in thinking that you are a "great" guy. Keep posting and I'm sure you'll reveal more of your personality. It is obvious that you've been revealing it to some of your "online" women, since, according to you, have quit e-mailing you. Also, Hans, everything to you has a sexual connotation........but you want a good girl. The "good girls" do command repect, patience, a humble attitude...........they will give you everything, but yes you will have to earn it. As Traveler stated, you think you know everything about SA, but you seek advice on this board. And when it isn't the advice you want to hear, you bash people. And you're not spoiled. Keep us posted on your experiences, I'll be curious to know if the "Hans" method works or not. Only time will tell. Title: Re: Let them wait.....for a while! Post by: beenthere on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Let them wait.....for a while!, posted by HansErich on Aug 13, 2003
Hans, With all due respect, you must realize that it is very difficult, if not impossible, for Colombian women to just "take a day off" from work whenever they want. In Colombia unemployment is very high. Anyone will tell you that having a job is a privilege to many. Not to mention the lost wages, which may not be much to you, but maybe to her and her family is alot. If this women goes to her boss and asks for a day off, he'll say forget it. There's another eager woman ready to take her place. I've read many of your posts Hans, you seem like a great guy, but you are also very cynical in your approach. I think you shouldn't expect so much out of these women, especially considering the fact that you haven't met them in person. Don't give too much credence to meeting someone over the internet. Of course these women are e-mailing other guys, you have to expect that. Why should they be loyal to you, when they haven't even met you?? Also many of these women probably have the same cynical attitude towards foreign men. How many have been lied to??? Probably many. I think you'll have more success with an agency, or more than likely on your own, since you speak Spanish. Just try to be a little easier on the women, and don't expect so much. Take care.......... Title: Re: Re: Let them wait.....for a while! Post by: HansErich on August 13, 2003, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Let them wait.....for a while!, posted by beenthere on Aug 13, 2003
ok ok....maybe i am getting paranoid!! I just go there and see what happens. But still I think it is better to have some "back-ups" before you go. Some women just stopped emailing.....why?? I don't know. I think they loose intrest VERY quicly! btw would you even consider sending $$$ to a girl that you know for a week through the internet?? I will never do this. I know there are many ways to take holidays form latin women. They even can take UNPAID holidays. Maybe not 3 weeks...but sure a week or so. About agencies: They CAN be good.....but they also CAN be bad. I think you know that too. I will keep everybody posted when I hit Colombia. bye hans-Erich. |