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Thanks Dominguin

BTW, there is a number of us fellow Portlanders who have made the trek south.  If you want to get together sometime, drop me a line.

Pablo

Even if you don't register for 'busca amigos', you can still get into most of the web site and it has nice news, resturant and club reviews and a whole pile of other useful things....did I mention the 'Las CaleNas' (girls of Cali) swim suit section?  

Well, welcome aboard P-L and good luck to you.

I was in Bogota for the first time in March of this year and used the services of Odee. My experience with them was very good and the ladies I meet were all superb, both in the looks and intelligence department. They have some very classy ladies in your range on the books. My target range was 28-35 and the 30-somethings I met were all very attractive women, both outside and inside. I'm currently in steady communication with one of the ladies I met, she's 33 y/o and a doll. As a matter of fact, I'll be going back to see her in June. If you have any specific questions about Odee, email me off the air and I'll be happy to help if I can.

JR

When I started this process, I was much like you... Searching for a mid-30s lady, some Ingles, no children, educated and searching for a life partner...

For whatever reason, I never met the girl of my dreams in Cali... I know, I must be blind, deaf and stupid... But hey, after 4 trips to Cali, I never felt much chemistry with any of the girls I met there...

I then went to Bogota and on my first trip I met my wife... Instant chemistry... Then things just got better from there... The more time we spend together, the more we find that we have in common... She is everything I was searching for and more...

My only experience with an agency in Bogota has been Latin American Intro, so I can't comment on Odee... I have not heard anything negative about Odee and there have been some positive posts during the year I have been folloiwing this forum... I can't say enough about LAI... This is where I met my wife... Of the half dozen agencies I have delt with in Colombia, I would have to rank LAI as the best in my book... I sure others will disagree, but hey, it's my opinion...

One thing to be careful of, the "kid in the candy store" mentality... I have seen it many times... A gringo goes south with the intentions of searching for a girl in his perceived age group, only to be blinded by the hot 22 year old... As others have stated, a large age difference is not always a bad thing, but be aware that a large age gap coupled with the cultural differences can be a recipe for disaster...

Get ready for the ride of your life... The first trip is always an "E" ticket ride...

Buen suerte...

Mark

What a lovely way to meet your wife.  OK, I will try to talk with women without rings on their right hand outside of the agencies.  I hope I don;t get shot be some jealous Colombiano!  For me its going to take some courage, especially trying to speak in Spanish. I have been practicing a bit trying to start conversations with American women in Portland, either in stores or on the street, but keeping the conversation light, obviously speaking in English, but never quite "closing" for a cup of coffee or a telephone number.  Thanks Dominguin

You will like your trip.  

I'm a man made out of flesh and blood, and I admit that I've been lonely for some time.  But, your point about spending a night with young "eye candy" being a topic of gossip in an agency or among agencies is well taken. Personally, I don't think I would be too attractive to a very young woman!  Thanks Dominguin

Thanks for the recommendation of Luz Amparo and Latin Best from some of you.I will do some investigating of their web site. I seem to remember someone from a prior post complaining that other men waited at the agencies in Cali and tried to talk to ladies who walked in, when they had specifically been called by the agency to meet him (the complaining poster).  Is that an accurate reality?  Is the atmosphere in the agencies every man for himself" Comments, experiences and helpful advice would be helpful.  Thanks. Dominguin.

Anyway, I always enjoyed talking to the other men in the agencies.  It is very interesting to hear about their experiences and it made me feel more at home.  As I said in another post, my first day or two in Bogota I felt very unhappy because I was all alone in a city I didn't like.  If I had been in an agency dorm-type setting and there had been one or two other Americans there it would have made the first couple of days a lot easier.

Steve

I went to several agencies in Cali.  Some are mostly young girls.  Some are very poorly managed and the owners are of very poor moral character, and others are exactly what they say they are.  I met some really great girls in some agencies.  Two of them even came to my wedding in Cali at my wife's invitiation.  She does not know them at all but she knows that I consider them friends, and she wanted me to have some people there that knew me.

I know I say this often... but if you do go to Latin Best, be sure to go in Exito about a block away.  Walk around shopping and don't be afraid to approach a woman in there. (they wear their wedding ring on the right hand).  They are more willing to talk than their facial expression shows.

Thanks for your post.  I read your profile, and your comment in your profile about "waking up one day and not being distracted by the "eye candy" anymore spoke to me.  When you say "eye candy", I assume it means young girls with jaw dropping bodies. I would like to find a beautiful woman who has a refined but definitely sensual sense of style.  The kind of woman who would keep the first few buttons of a blouse unbuttoned to show a promising and inviting cleavage, as opposed to a younger woman with her belly and navel showing, breasts straining a halter top, hip hugging tight slacks, etc.  Putting the obvious differences of life experience, wisdom and maturity to one side, I guess for me, its one easy way to descbibe the difference between a woman and "eye candy".  

I assume your wife is the lady you went back to Columbia for in October 2002, if so, many, many congratulations.

You said you has visited some of the agencies in Cali.  Would you care to make any specific comments.  So far whom what I'm getting from all the friendly posters, Latin Best is definitely "the best", Latin Encounters may be good, Latin Internet is too far away from the center of town and has  too many no shows.

Thanks Dominguin

If I had been 25 years of age in Cali I could easily see myself rating All Colombian Girls as my pick for the best.  Tons of young hot babes, but not one girl over 28 that I was interested in meeting.  Of course things change and today the age scale may be different there.  Ricardo the owner is a great guy but he is not going to work for you.  He also has a modeling agency that takes almost all his time.  The location of the agency is fantasitic and he gives you perfect freedom of having a guest in your room.  

Latin Encounters is very tightly managed (by the ex-wife of Ricardo).  It has some classy women and is a block or two from 6th avenue.  I chose Latin Best because I could buy a weeks membership without staying there.  Latin Encounters you have to stay at the agency for a week or purchase an annual membership.  I was very impressed with the place the few times I was there.  Very efficient operation.

Latin Women Connection... well I would suggest staying away from that place completely.  I say this for many reasons.  One reason is that a good friend of mine was working for the owner.  He made many unwanted advances toward her while he was engaged to another girl.  She eventually quit because of his behaviour.  He refused to pay her the back wages she had worked.  She told him if he would not pay her the money that she had worked for that she was going to speak to the girl he was engaged to, and tell her the things he had been doing.  He told her that if she did this, he would use his position as an attorney to ensure she never married an American by telling the INS that she had repeatedly used American men to get money from them.  I read the email he sent her.  I told her if he actually did something like this to call me so I could at least write a letter on her behalf.  Several guys here know her, Paola that used to be secretary of All Colombian Girls.  She has more class in her little finger than he will ever know.

Latin Best is a place you can meet many women.  Luz is great but she can be known for pushing a woman on you.  If you are looking through the books and you pause more than a few seconds on a photo, she will be on the phone calling the girl if you are not careful.  :-)  
I was very impressed with the place.  I would recommend her highly.  BUT if you should meet a girl in her agency or in Latin Encounters agency and marry her, the agency owner seems to take it personal if you do not use her "wedding planning services".  All in all you certainly want to check out Latin Best.  You should maybe explore other living arrangements though that offer more freedom.  You could stay at All Colombian Girls (master bedroom is great, air, private, nice view from balcony) and use his services and then buy a weeks membership from Latin Best.

Don't buy any memberships via internet.  Not as many guys are going down as once did.  If you are standing there with cash in hand all but Latin Encounters is going to cut you a weekly deal.

I hope this helps.

I agree that many 40 year old calenas look much better than some 25 year olds here, but did you ever compare the 30 or 40 age groups of Cali women to the women in Bogota?

It might just be me, but I think the Bogota women in their 40's are the most beautiful women in the world in this age group.  It seemed to me the women in Cali aged much more than the ones in Bogota.

I think also that Bogota is a capitol city, one of high
business and governmental affairs. I think there is less of
a cult of the bomba there. I think women want to be taken
more seriously in that milieu, and dress and comport them-
selves appropriately, especially at the peak of their
careers after 35.

I've been to Bogota and Cali (twice each).  My first time, in 1999, I fell for a 21 year old and married her.  That crashed and burned and when I went back I too wanted to meet a woman in her 30s.  I ended up marrying a 28 year old Calena.   Here's my take on the Colombian women in their 30s.

The agencies cater toward women in their early 20s who have never been married and have no children.  That is because that is what interests the men to join their agencies when looking at the profiles on the Internet and that is what the men invariably migrate towards when they arrive.

There are also a lot of women in their 30s in the catalogs.  In my opinion, generally they fall into two groups:

- Stunning women with children
- Average looking women with no children

There are a few stunning, older women with no children in the catalogs, but they are much more scarce in my opinion.  Probably because the more attractive women are going to land the men in their 20s and start making a family.

My wife has two children from a prior relationship.  There is good and bad in that.  The biggest drawback: Everything is 2 or 3 times more expensive.  Big advantages: She has an immediate family here to help her adjust and not be so lonely.  She doesn't want more children, and neither do I.

As far as specific agencies, I think they all have women ranging from 18 to early 40s.  I was at All Colombian Girls, Latin Internet, and Latin Best in Cali and they all 3 covered that range of ages.  

Steve

I had the same experience in Cali... Either young and hot, or over 30 with children...

That's the one reason I went to Bogota... I think there is a greater number of over 30, single, never married, no children type ladies in Bogota than in Cali, or Cartgena... Ones that are in the agencies anyway...  

Just my opinion...

One cita was with an attorney in Cali whose photos we very good and her profile stated that her age was 37... When we met she was more like 47 and she looked nothing like her photos...

I met another lawyer in Cali whose photos were very, wery good... Proper age range, spoke excellent Ingles... When we met for our date she unfortunately had a butt as big as Baltimore...

You're right... Be careful of the "Magic Photos"...

Steve

The scenario of a stunning woman in her 30s with one child is economically reasonable for me (two kids, putting them through college, etc might be a stretch, and I know there is the additonal challenge of securing the father's consent for the child to leave Colombia.

Any comments youc are to make would be appreciated. Thanks. Dominguin

For the record, current ages:

 Me: 46
 My wife: 29
 My ex: 25 or 26

As far as the age difference I've fooled myself into thinking we are about the same age so I don't notice it anymore.  With my first wife I always felt like people were staring at us, and they probably were.  She was not only much younger, but she also looked, dressed and acted much younger.  So we stood out immediately whenever we went to the store.  Men were attracted to her and then they would notice me.  (If you didn't catch my post a couple of months ago my ex is now looking for another husband on Latin-Euro.  Here is her photo: http://www.latineuro.com/nuevas18/LuzDaryCamposop.jpg)

Now, I don't feel that age difference with my wife, probably because I went through that process with my ex-wife.  Also, my wife is a little older and very different in how she behaves and how she treats me.  She behaves much more mature and she is very demonstrative with her affection towards me.  A lot of PDA (Public Displays of Affection).  One night she even asked me to make love to her in the apartment pool.  Is that too much information?

Also, I work out regularly and I can outrun either of them in a sprint or distance.  My wife didn't believe me, but now she does.  It helps to be physically fit if you want to have a young wife.

Steve

Thanks for the post.  I do not work out but should, and I assume that would be helpful to increasing my chances.  From her Latin Euro picture, your first wife is obviously quite a beautiful woman, and I can see how easy it was to "fall" for such a beautiful face.  After our divorce, I also live in a comfortable apartment complex (but no pool!) and as part of the settlement my ex-wife ended up with the house and a written commitment to make a best effort to sell it within 9 months after the decree and split the proceeds with me. That was 17 months ago and the realtor's box in front of the house doesn't even get filled with flyers anymore. I can't say I'm too shocked.

When you used the agencies in Cali, did you buy memberships, or did you just pay for "done" introductions.  I did decide to stay with Odee and buy their membership because their clientele was older, and I found about 20 women on their web site that I would be interested in meeting.

Thanks
Dominguin

Actually we are splititng the mortgage payments 50%/50%, which she agreed was fair. The divorce happened because we had grown apart, not because either one of us are bad people.  I still respect her for her values for her devotion to our son, I just couldn't live with her anymore.  I can understand that she isn't thrilled about selling the house and wants to hang on to something.  In the space of 25 months, her father died, she went through our divorce (which was initiated by me)and our son left the nest and went to college.  

The eqyity is continuing to build, and I don't need to cash out unless I marry again and decide to buy a home.  Please don't make assumptive comments about other people's experiences, based solely on what has happened to you.

No harm, no foul, no offense taken, no offense meant.  Thanks for wishing me success, I am getting very excited about going, only 32 more days!  Have a good day. Dominguin

Your post is bringing back a lot of special memories.  One regret: I didn't take enough pictures.  You should take a small digital camera and take at least one picture of every woman you meet in the agency.  When you get back you will be very glad you did.  

For me though, it wouldn't make much difference now because my wife made me throw away all my pictures of the women I met in Cali.  She's very jealous.

I'm remembering my first trip to Colombia (Bogota) in 1999.  To me Bogota is an unattractive city.  When I got there the first night I thought I was going to hate it.  The second day I was thinking about changing my flight to return early to the US.  Then I started meeting the women and I wanted to extend my stay.

I realized afterwards that a vacation in what I regard as an ugly, dangerous, boring city was the best vacation I ever had because I was meeting beautiful women that wanted to spend time with me.

Steve

I bought a membership at Latin Internet, which I now regret.  It was about $300 and then I had to pay $50 a night for a room.  The reason I did it was because I wanted to stay in a tropical, outdoorsy setting.  If you look at their website that is what you will see.  It is a large house with a pool and fairly large grounds.  Very nice.

The problem is it is located in the south of Cali away from where most of the women live.  So it is harder to get them to make appointments and you have more "no shows".  Then I switched to All Colombian Girls in the center of Cali and I liked it better.  I paid about $50 a day for the large bedroom at ACG with introductions included.  I liked staying there and I like Ricardo, the owner.  He also has a modeling agency and there are always "babes" hanging around.

I'm told the going rate at a Cali agency is about $100 a week for introduction services.  If you want a room that is extra, maybe $40 a day.  You can find some decent apartahotels for about $25 or $30 a day.  I think business is still way off in the agencies so you can probably get good deals right now.  I never dealt with Odee.  I think maybe Iswote did.  Maybe he will post about them.

Steve

I did not join Latin Best, but I did visit their location.  I was impressed with Luz because while I was there visiting I saw a lady there I was interested in and she called her over to meet me.  The lady was about 40, thin, and had long hair, all qualities that interested me.  However, I got involved with my wife and didn't pursue a realtionship with that other woman.

The downside, to me, was the facility.  It is a small house and the introductions were conducted in the living room (as far as I could tell).  I felt like I had a lot more privacy and with the women in All Colombian Girls and Latin Internet.  I also saw the bedrooms you can rent at LatinBest and they are very small.  To me, it did not look like a comfortable place to stay.

Steve

Thanks for your specific comments about Latin Best. I think I will take your advice and stay elsewhere.  Considering that it costs close to $80 to take a woman out to dinner in a nice restuarant in Portland, Oregon, $80 is obviously an incredibly reasonable price to meet women.  But I'm curious, when you say a weekful of introductions, is there some maximum, say 10 accomplished introductions of 30 submitted in 7 calendar days,is there a price per introduction or is it a blanket price for a week?  Also, did you see a lot of foreign men looking for romance in Cali when you were there?

Thanks
Dominguin

Yes there were other men there. Not a lot though. 3-4 ppl would come and go.

I do not want to get into the posture of treating women like "numbers", but eight meetings in a day, my goodness!  I'm assuming that your thought of 2 introductions a day for women over 30 is because it may take longer to understand them, decide if there is any chemistry and especially, if they have intelligence. I don't pretend that I can get a grasp on an American woman's personality in anything less then a couple of hours of converstation, and I assume it will be harder in Colombia because of the language and cultutal differences.

Thanks
Dominguin