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Does anyone on this board ever write about anything even close to why this board was founded? This board has really deteriorated. Only once in a while does someone post about a trip, agency, or experience. I guess it's understandable to a degree since many of the posters here have never been to Colombia/SA or will never go again. What happened to this board?

... in response to ??????????, posted by Craig on Feb 25, 2003

In general, I'm quite satisfied with the board's content, though I do miss some of the saltier ex-posters, like Houndog.

On 1/25, I posted a detailed, 2-part Cali Trip Report. There were no comments or follow-up posts. (Not complaining, just observing.) Perhaps some of the supportive camaraderie of old is missing.

... in response to ??????????, posted by Craig on Feb 25, 2003

On Sunday at 7 PM, 6 PM Central Time, Telemundo will broadcast a report on fashion models in Medellin, Colombia.  It looks like it will be interesting even for those who can't speak Spanish.  ;-)

Steve

... in response to Something close to why this board was fo..., posted by DallasSteve2 on Feb 26, 2003

I'll have a bowl of popcorn, cold diet pepsi, and my remote control ready.

... in response to ??????????, posted by Craig on Feb 25, 2003

So post something useful then.

... in response to There you go again..., posted by Bueller on Feb 26, 2003

Well, Bueller if I did it would only confuse you. You would actually needed to have experienced Colombia to understand it's beauty. Looking at it on you flat screen doesn't count.

... in response to Re: There you go again..., posted by Craig on Feb 26, 2003

...I guess I'll just have to settle for Venezuela, Paraguay, Mexico, Argentina, nearly two years in Spain, and the past eleven months living in Brazil. Sorry I've never visited the only country which, in your mind, this board exists to discuss.

... in response to ??????????, posted by Craig on Feb 25, 2003

In the last two weeks, I have posted about my embassy experience for spousal visa, Catholic wedding costs, experience at notary and civil wedding, my honeymoon and almost getting robbed at the Bogota airport.  All information that could be of use to someone.  What kind of information are you exactly looking for?

... in response to Re: ??????????, posted by lswote on Feb 26, 2003

Your information is great. My comment was not directed toward your post. It's directed toward 95% of the other posts. mainly guys reading Yahoo then posting the latest news about how terrible Colombia is. Or some other nonsense. Post about agencies, restaurants in Colombia, hotels, exchange rate, K-1 visas, marriage, et. But why all the other useless crap.

... in response to ??????????, posted by Craig on Feb 25, 2003

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This week has the following threads:
1) New on-line agency
2) Telephone service/prices to SA
3) Cheap airfare tip
4) Red Flags? Large age difference/woman the instigator/moving too fast?
5) Question about men's experiences with a specific agency
6) 3 (count em) trip reports (2 short, 1 medium, and granted, one was a re-run)
7) Visa time frames-both DCF & K-1 (you even participated in the K-1)
8) Learning Spanish/woman's potential adjustment problems
9) Man's looks vs. man's other attributes
10) One man's "don't just use them for sex" moral code (which I agree with)
11) AW are too picky, particulary considering what THEY have to offer (maybe, not all, depends on the woman, IMHO)

What specific subjects do you feel are not being covered?

Or do you mean you DON'T like
1) Reality TV
2) War situation breifings
3) Bubbles in the back vs Big Ones in the front, which do you perfer?

Except for the reality TV, aren't all those things what we are suppossed to be talking about? We haven't had any knock-down-drag-out flame wars lately and no crash and burn stories reciently, is that what you're looking for?

... in response to What do you mean deteriorated?, posted by Michael B on Feb 25, 2003

What I mean is this board sounds a lot like the misfits and whack's I see travel to Cali on my trips. Guys talking about AW vs Colombian women...it's like who's stronger Superman or the Hulk? Ethics and politics theories and the like who cares. Does any one on this board even travel to Colombia anymore? The truth is that once a guy finds what he wants in Colombia he avoids this board like the plague. Why?

... in response to Re: What do you mean deteriorated?, posted by Craig on Feb 26, 2003

OK, guys. Before you post, ask yourself: WWCL? What Would Craig Like?

... in response to WWCL?, posted by Bueller on Feb 27, 2003

Bueller, you stated that you never traveled to Colombia. Was that because you were refused entry? I understand they have TWNBRE rule when entering Colombia. That's "Travelers with no balls refused entry" Strap on a pair and check it out.

... in response to Re: What do you mean deteriorated?, posted by Craig on Feb 26, 2003

To a degree you're right... This board is a means to achieve an end, which is to garner information related to finding a latina... Once the search for a foreign novia has been accomplished, a poster's reliance on this forum diminishes...

When newbies begin the search and find this forum, there is a wealth of information on how to go about the search... Agencies, Cities, Pros/Cons, red flags, scams, etc... Then once they climb off the fence, they can garner travel info & tips... Then come inane threads concerning "am I doing it right/wrong", "my way is better than your way" and of course "am I being scammed"... Finally, once the deal has been sealed, guys ask about how to process Visa paperwork... Full cycle... Some guys do hang around after finding their mates, but many do not... Some of us just hang around here waiting for paperwork to clear so our girl can come to the states...

I think that if the facts were known, there are still many guys here to do travel to LA, but quietly, never posting the details of their experiences after the first couple trips...

When was the last time you posted a trip report???

wizard

... in response to Re: Re: What do you mean deteriorated?, posted by wizard on Feb 26, 2003

I think I posted a trip report in July of 2003. I feel I have a wealth of information to help someone who is thinking of traveling to Colombia. I had some great teachers like Norm who used to run an agency, and Traveler who always writes great posts packed with information. I fankly don't think people care on this board but a few. I'm more interested in learning more and hearing current stories/ trip reports about Cali and Colombia then me writing.

I'm going back again in a few months because the TSC INS has screwed me and stopped processing I-129F visas (unless you protest in front of their building)I can tell you that my calena is 28 and I'm 42, We have been dating 2 years. That her close friend owns an agency in Cali and lives in Florida,and that just about everybody in Cali knows somebody you know.

... in response to What do you mean deteriorated?, posted by Michael B on Feb 25, 2003

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... in response to ??????????, posted by Craig on Feb 25, 2003

Particularly for guys still in the hunt real stories are usefull and interesting,so yes,if anybody has some experiences lets hear it.
But in the meantime some of us just like to tsalk I think.
Already having found my wife I guess the board is just general interst to me,a place to talk about things with guys you have some common interests with.I find it interesting and I guess it fills a need to express myself,plus its nice to get to know some people.
But if there were no posts but trip reports there wouldn't be much said here.

Pete

... in response to yes we need real stories, posted by Pete E on Feb 25, 2003

I agree with you pete, and understand

... in response to yes we need real stories, posted by Pete E on Feb 25, 2003

I had a cita with a beautiful mammacita!!!! Pete, she had an exceptional BB and a beautiful face. Friendly and very warm. We went out twice. The first time was in May 2002. The second time December 2002. She requested me for the first cita. I first thought she was out of my league.

Each time we went out there was allot of chemistry. Holding hands, rubbing knees. During the last time we were together, she asked me why I didn't keep in contact with her. I told her that I was too busy. But, during that last meeting the chemsitry was intense. I started to ask her the big questions:

1.) Was she serious with anyone. She said no.
2.) Was she corresponding with anyone. Another no.
3.) Did she want to get married quickly, in less than a year. She said no.
4.) Was there too much age difference. She said no. I'm 28, she's 32.
5.) Did she want to have children. She said yes.
6.) Where would she consider living in the USA. She said it didn't matter, but preferablly Florida or California.

She told me to call her because she want to spend more time with me. I said ok. I was starting to like her allot. She was being very flirtacious with me. I was being the same way with her.

I saw her in ChippiChappi Mall on Christmas Eve. She told me to call her to spend time together. I said ok.

Well, I had the secretary of the agency call her on Christmas. The woman told the secretary that she was writing another Colombian guy who lived in the USA. And that this guy all of a sudden surpised her by coming to Cali to visit her on Christmas Eve without prior notice. And that the guy proposed to her to get married. The woman also said that I was too young for her; and that she wanted to get married in less than a year, but I wanted to wait a year, and it was too long for her. She said all this to the secretary, then they stopped talking.

I was really disappointed in that woman because she wasn't honest in the beginning, but kept asking for me to call her to go out. She did a complete 180 degree turn. In a matter of 3 days.

So, I got a little annoyed, and complained a little after the call. But the next day, I met another woman who seems to have way better qualities.

When I called the secretary of the agency a month after I returned home from Cali. She asked me if I was still interested in the first lady who was dishonest with me. I said NOOOOO, and I asked her if she was with anyone. The secretary told me that the Colombian guy who came to visit her didn't work out with her. That he was too complicated, and the relationship didn't work out.

When I heard that, I just said I was sorry to hear that, but I didn't want to see the other woman ever again.

SOME GUYS MIGHT BE WONDERING WHY THIS IS SO IMPORTANT.

Well here is the reason. Part of me believes (but I could be wrong) that this woman didn't have anyone visiting her at all. But, she condured up some ficticious man who seemed serious about marrying her. And that she wanted to tell me that story to make me desperate so I would propose to her, thinking that I would propose out of fear that someone else would take her.  

Guys searching for Latinas, many Latinas play this competition card to make the guys desperate and act out of jealously. Don't fall for it!!! I had a few girls play this game before. A good girl will never do that kind of thing, but a woman that wants to hook you will.

... in response to Here's one......., posted by Aaron on Feb 25, 2003

Good for you. Your future happiness depends on the choices you make today. If a woman is playing games, move on.

... in response to Don't play games, posted by Cold Warrior on Feb 26, 2003

LOL !!!

... in response to Here's one......., posted by Aaron on Feb 25, 2003

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A basic rule is :

If she introduces you to her family, and she introduces you
to her friends and she presents you as her boyfriend to them , You are in.

If not , You don't have S**T !!!

If you go a whole week or a couple trips, and for whatever reasons given, you never meet her friends. You don't have S**T!!!

... in response to Re: Here's one......., posted by bogota vet on Feb 26, 2003

I think another basic rule, adjusting for circumstances, is
that if you send money for her purposes, rather than
common ones, you are asking for trouble. My wife
never asked me for money. If I had offered, she probably
would have clocked me. Once we were engaged, I sent
money for wedding-related expenses, only after she sent
me an itemized list.

... in response to Re: Here's one......., posted by bogota vet on Feb 26, 2003

I tend to agree, but she can always present you as a boyfriend and even a husband, but that doesn't mean she is sincere about any of it.
Aaron

... in response to YoUkNoWwHaT..... , posted by Aaron on Feb 26, 2003

I would say if she is that deceitful that she is lying even to her friends, then you really must be ignoring red flags because someone that deceitful usually has tons of them.

... in response to Re: YoUkNoWwHaT..... , posted by lswote on Feb 26, 2003

Bruce,

You just never know. I've seen some games dude played on others, played by the men and women. From agencies and not from agencies. I also learned from first hand experience, keep your eyes open.

Aaron

... in response to Here's one......., posted by Aaron on Feb 25, 2003

Aaron,
Well regardless of the reason why she was doing it you found out she was not really serious about you and wasn't the type of girl you would want anyway.
I think alot of these girls just want to keep all their options open and will make a guy think they are more serious than they are,while they are maybe deciding if they are serious about you or maybe someone else.Also I think they may even (sometimes) be a little confused in their feelings and favor the guy in front of them.But when the story changes completely in one day she was not being honest with you at all.
So the goal is to find the girl with character that really cares about you.She is out there for sure.You just have to perservere and not get sidetracked by the wrong girls.You don't want to get emotionally hooked if the two serious questions here are at all in doubt.I know,its easy to gt emotionally involved when the girl is seemingly so sweet and affectionate.
I think you will do fine Aaron.You are more carefull than most guys.We will have a big success story here someday.You just don't know when it will happen.

Pete