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As one who used to think all Mexicanas looked like the girls I saw in Oregon, I know it is hard to cast away all of your generalizations and stereotypes. I don't say that to be mean to the Hispanic women in the USA, as there surely are some beautiful women in that ethnic category. It is just that you have to come here to see it to believe it. Five years ago, I could barely pronounce Guadalajara, and little did I know that there were some of the most beautiful women in the world there. Some of the Mexican boys I had worked with on our farm had told me bits and pieces of the Guadalajara 'myth' and so did some of the boys working at my favorite Mexican reastarant. They knew the differance between Gringas and Mexicanas. They said that Guadalajara had the worlds prettiest women and that it would be easy to find a nice, beautiful and traditional wife there.

  I also had no idea of the variety of women in this region. Absolutely breathtaking beauty, from Gueras (blond hair, blue eyes) to Morenas. Tall, as in 5'10" or thereabouts, seems to be average. Curvaceous, not as in bubble butt (too big IMO) girls from the Caribbean, but athletic...perfect! You just have to see it to believe it. Let me just say that there are more pretty girls in this town where I live (pop. 70,000) than in all the agency catalogs in Colombia, I really believe that.

  The girls from Sonora are really pretty, as are the girls from Sinaloa and Chihuahua, where they are also very tall...absolutely stunning! Most of you guys on this forum have no idea how good it is here, no idea whatsoever! Girls from Sonora look similar to girls from Hawaii, as there is some kind of strong Chinese influence in some of the cities there. Italian and Lebanese influence in Puebla, French and Dutch influence in Los Altos (where I live), Syrian and Chinese influence in Sonora, German influence in Sinaloa, Cuban influence in Veracruz...on and on...

  I get frustrated with PL and the LWL. Most of what is discussed is Colombian agencies. There are thousands of guys from
the USA, Canada, Europe living and working here in Mexico, dating and married to beautiful Mexicanas. Sometimes PL is a box, and I am posting here to encourage thinking outside the box...

"I get frustrated with PL and the LWL. Most of what is discussed is Colombian agencies. There are thousands of guys from the USA, Canada, Europe living and working here in Mexico, dating and married to beautiful Mexicanas. Sometimes PL is a box, and I am posting here to encourage thinking outside the box..."

Randy...

We've had several threads in the past regarding the issues that "certain" gringos have to face in Mexico, and other issues that gringos in general who are looking for a Mexicana must face...and you yourself have acknowledged these issues.

So, while I can understand your pride in your wife's beauty and "conservative" nature, as well as your opinion on what is "most" beautiful...you yourself continue to think inside a box.

1) IMO, until the stigma that is attached to "certain" gringos is eliminated, Mexico can not and will not be as good a place to search as Colombia, Venezuela, Panama, Dominican Republic, Brazil, Honduras...for those "certain" gringos.

2) You say "Thousands of men from the USA, Canada, and Europe living and working in Mexico, dating and married to beautiful Mexicanas"? -Are you paying attention to what you are presenting? If a guy is ALREADY living and working in Mexico...he would likely have few issues meeting nice "traditional", "conservative" Mexicanas, right? -And he likely wouldn't be looking elsewhere if the Mexicanas are all that you describe them to be.

Until/unless another place surpasses Colombia in terms of accessibility and feasibility, Colombia will continue to be what people talk about on the forums that you've listed.

Being that you now live in Mexico. You are in a position where you could likely offer guys some REAL practical assistance of some sort, were you of a mind to.

As the saying goes..."put up, or...".

Knowuttamean?

-Tai

ps - Unless of course, you're just here to gloat?

Tai,

I'm trying to read between the lines here.  Are you suggesting that Mexicans in general have negative thoughts (stigma) toward people whose skin color is black?

El Diablo

I am just trying to say, Mexico presents unlimited opportunites for the man who wants to try it on his own, or through a language school for one,two or three weeks, which I think is a great way to network as you live with a family, get to know your teachers and have a lot of free time to explore and meet these girls on your own...

Maybe I like to post here just because I am the only Gringo in town, and it gets old trying to speak in my bad Spanish...This is an outlet for me...

I think without knowing some of the middle class people to get an "in" with the ladies, it's hard to get anywhere.

Good Luck...

They also had personal ads in it.

DOes GDL have the equivalnet?

It helps to focus the attention from just those women who are in the general geographic area...

There are a few people like Tai on here who get pissed if you say anything that might burst their little bubble.  If they don't want to go to Mexico then let em skip these threads and go play in the street.

I can only assume from the nature of it; "There are a few people like Tai", that you have some problem with me that I don't know about.

I don't respond to everyones posts, but If a particular flaw in someone's perspective strikes me, I challenge it.

If the perspective has merit it will stand up to the challenge, if not it will falter, fold, or in some cases change.

If you want to challenge my ideas/perspectives, go for it, I welcome it.

If you want to engage in personal attacks, though I would prefer not, we can do that too.

-Tai

I just don't like arrogant people like you, who get on here and tell someone to shutup when he is just posting his experience.  Mybe you should practice what you preach.

So be it...

You DO have a problem, and it clearly extends well into difficulty with reading and comprehension.

There is a difference between telling someone to shut up, and challenging them to offer the alternatives to what he/she says is "frustrating"...especially if he/she implies that he/she knows what the alternative is.

I'm sure I've lost you, so I'll give you a simple example that you can follow...

You and your buddies are trying to move your mobile home, using your '73 Ford pickup(with the gun rack in the back window). One of your friends, Jim Bob, says "Hey Tex, it really frustrates(bothers) me when you run a chain from your bumper to the mobile home like that."

Then, YOU say, "Well darn it Jim Bob, every time I move this trailer, you say that same thing. I been doin it like this for years. If you know a better way then let's hear it. Either put up, or..."

At that point one of two things would likely happen in an ideal situation: 1) Jim Bob introduces you to trailer hitch technology. OR 2) Jim Bob doesn't know a better way so he stops complaining about how you move your mobile home.

Entiendes, payaso?

"Candy azz cry babies"? -lol

Man, you are either a serious cheeseball...or you are watching WAY too many war flicks on the "boob tube".

Tai has some valid points. He expressed it differently than I did.

I think we're all interested in what Randy is saying.

We're just a little stuck on how we can take the information he is supplying, and applying it to our own lives.

Without a way of doing that... it becomes at worst gloating... and at best just plain frustrating...

But I appreciate that Randy is giving us all a different glimpse of Mexico and Mexicans...

First of all how is he bursting MY bubble? I am not a cheeleader for Mexico OR Colombia. -Though my trips to Latin America have been to Colombia, I am not opposed to visiting other places. -Nor am I limited to just agencies, as my Spanish is good.

I AM interested in reading trip reports and experiences from other countries, Mexico included.

However, the "Alteno posts" focus on how this forum is really only about Colombia agencies, and that the guys here have no real idea about the "real" Mexico/Mexicanas.

Realistically, that same "conservative" and "traditional" nature of the Mexicanas/Mexico will present "issues" for many gringos(including you perhaps)...and Randy knows this.

Note:
Read Patrick's post on his experiences, and in the archives, Keith Smith and others have posted theirs. -You will find familiar/recurring themes.

My point was/is...if HE is "frustrated"(his words, not mine) from reading the "talk" regarding Colombia...then offer some practical advice or assistance to change it.

"There are a few people like Tai on here who get pissed if you say anything that might burst their little bubble"?

-I think you have me confused with someone else, my friend.

"If they don't want to go to Mexico then let em skip these threads and go play in the street."

...and It sounds like you're the one who's pissed.

-Tai

This is why the Mennonites have prospered in states like Zacatecas, because the land is not being worked, so it is very cheap, as there are not many men to work it. Mennonite girls in Mexico...but that is another story!

This is the type of discussion I had hoped to induce here. Nice work, Sparky...

-- Jeff S.

Many educated and professional women do go to the USA or Canada (it is easier to access Canada for Mexicans, no visa needed) to work, as they can make five times more in another country...

We need more guys posting who have actually been in Mexico searching for a woman.  The only reason Colombia is so popular is because there's so many agencies there.  For those who are willing to actually learn Spanish well, you can significantly broaden your horizons by going it alone without an agency.  If you like more conservative women, then IMHO, Mexico would be the preferred country over Colombia.

Pete

If I were single, that's what I would most likely do.  I don't care much for "tours" or interviewing ladies through agencies, so I may be different than most.  When I did take the agency route, I did it in as hands-off a way as possible, using them only to obtain contact information then writing and later visiting on my own.

I'm sure men could succeed in Mexico.  There just wouldn't be as much hand-holding as there is for guys who visit a place like Cali.  If you're the independent type and know Spanish well, you can do it.  I myself started looking about half-way through my first semester of Spanish and by the time I was married (during my 4th semester), I could get by pretty well in the language.

At the peak, I was receiving 20-30 letters per day.  I don't know what results someone would get these days.  That was about 6 or 7 years ago.  I think the "blond hair and blue eyes" bit probably pumped up my response rate.  I was around 35 at the time.  Unfortunately, due to the really long delay in getting the ads published, I was already planning on visiting a lady I had written to myself in Moneterry through her own ad in a pen-pal agency so I didn't start anything with any of the ladies.  I wrote back to quite a few of the first one's who wrote saying thanks for writing, but after a while I was overwhelmed.  One lady wrote and included a copy of th4e personal ad, and that's how I found out they changed my self-description before publishing it.  Turns out they did that in all three locations.

I was finished with my first semester of Spanish when these ads were published, and with the help of an interactive translation program I had installed on my PC and my own knowledge of Spanish, I was able to understand everything written to me.  It's much easier to read and write Spanish for someone just starting out than it is to understand spoken Spanish.

Based on what I know now, I'd say El Sol de Monterrey might be a good one to use for Monterrey.  I don't know of any papers in Guadelajara.  You could probably find some with a search engine.

Maybe Randy could help you with information on local newspapers.

Actually, placing an ad in Mexico is an option even if you don't know spanish. It would be fairly easy to get an ad translated for you.

But there are still some problems...

One) I have read much posted on this board that Mexican Women really don't want to leave. I undertand that you can't paint with a broad brush... but there seems to be SOME truth to it. The one thing about a lady who has gone to the agency is that she has already decided, or at least is open to, leaving her country

Two) Going to Mexico with nothing but a map and some knowledge of the language will take some time. You have to admit. Most guys don't have weeks to devote to searching and hoping that he will find someone. And there's no telling that even if you hit it off with someone that she will want to move (see number one) which makes it harder.

Three) What does "more conservative" mean, exactly? If that means that it is a LONG time before there is any physical contact (did I read that even holding hands takes weeks?) Then it will take even longer to have any sense if there is the kind of attraction and connection between you that would make you want to bring her here, and make her want to come. Again, we just don't have that much time to get to know someone. I'm not advocating "sex tours"... but the whole "foreign bride" search and romance is a very condensed thing. By its very nature, two people have to make the decision about each other a lot faster than if they were dating in their neighborhood. This doesn't lend itself to a "conservative" approach, in any facet of a relationship.

I am not saying that I would rule out Mexico. There is a lot that makes a lot of sense. But there seems to be some serious roadblocks, too.

It's not just that guys don't know that there are good looking women there. As has been stated, there are good looking women everywhere...

You're probably right about the physical part of the relationship with some Mexican women.  From my exposure to them, I definitely think they're more conservative than Colombian women in general.  Of course there's going to be considerable variation within each population and you'll be able to find everything from Mother Teresa to hookers in both cultures.  But from the perhaps 20 or so Mexican women I've gotten to know (some through their husbands) I really have the impression that they are more conservative, in general, than their Colombian counterparts.

As I strolled through the malls, plazas and virtually everywhere, I was inundated with interest from the most beautiful women I (that meaning ME) had ever seen in my life. When I saw my wife, she literally took my breath away, but she basically showed no interest, which intrigued me. She did however know I was interested, and she gave me the 'in' I needed, sitting on a bench while her nieces (now my beautiful nieces) kept shopping. So, I returned to Guadalajara over Costa Rica to study, but my Spanish still sucks!

I guess my point is that all you basically have to do is 'show up'! It is that easy, as you will be shown a lot of attention. The hard part is discerning what the girls interest is in; does it lie in practicing Spanish, are they poor girls looking for a green card (rare in GDL, I think you see that more in the USA), do they just want to be friends? What exactly? I ran into the 'want to be friends first' a lot in GDL, which was OK for me, but for someone on a limited time schedule, it might be frustrating...

So, we have to rely on agencies and websites to help us find women to date, and romance.

The only site I see that has women from Guadalajara on it is MexicanMatchmakers.com.

It is not a bad site, but its content hasn't changed in several months which always makes me suspicious.

Also, although I think there are many beautiful women on there, I would say that they all look very much like a "traditonal" (or stereotypical?) mexican latina.

I'm not saying that that is a bad thing... but I don't see these tall blondes you keep referring to...

I appreciate that you are a great cheerleader for your area... and I agree that it is refreshing to hear about somewhere that the US Embassy has NOT put a traveller's alert on...

But telling us how beautiful the women are doesn't help us figure out how to find those women.

As I said before, not everyone can do what you did...

'Also, although I think there are many beautiful women on there, I would say that they all look very much like a "traditonal" (or stereotypical?) mexican latina.
I'm not saying that that is a bad thing... but I don't see these tall blondes you keep referring to'...

Of course you will see more beautiful Morenas than anything else in Mexico. What I am telling you here is that in this area, Guadalajara and eastern Jalisco (the Los Altos region), there is a wide variety of women to choose from, from blondes to morenas. Tall, beautiful, curvaceous natural blondes tend to rule here in the Los Altos region, though, as girls from GDL (Tapatias) tend to be Morena clara with voluptuous figures and big, beautiful eyes.

Tell me something, if you saw a tall, beautiful blonde with blue eyes in your hometown, would you think she was Mexican? No, you wouldn't give it a second thought. But they might just be around, on exchange or studying English at a local university.

People of pure European descent make up only 10% of the population of Mexico.

And, if you think all of the Gueras (blondes) are rich, just take a tour of the 'pueblitos' (in the rural areas) here in Los Altos, and you will see beautiful blonde girls milking cows or riding horses or burros. That is also a common misconception about Mexico, that all of the 'white folk' are extremely wealthy...

So when you say "morena" you are referring to what many people would consider the "typical" latina; tanned skin, dark eyes, dark hair? (Perhaps Salma Hayek for example)

This is just for clarification purposes, as I think that I am picturing a different image of "morena" and "morena clara".

-Tai

That's the impression I was developing also, that morenas of Mexico would be like the trigueñas of Colombia. -Based on that premise, one might infer that the "morena claras" of Mexico would fall into the range of the blancas of Colombia...depending on how "clara".

I don't know what a "morena clara" would be. Morenas are morena but I have heard "triguena clarita" used occasionally. My experience is that even girls with what we consider very white skin like many in Bogota are condidered triguena if they have black hair and blancas if they're blond or naturally light haired. Eye color too seems to produce a distiction. It seems to me a pretty inexact science. Anyhow Selma Hayak ain't no typical latina she's a A-rab and looks it albeit bajita.

-- Jeff S.

This is the point I am trying to make; that there is a whole receptive world of beautiful, educated and traditional women available just over the border. Just don't get caught up in going to the same old Gringo 'holes' everyone else does.

I was forty years old and Baptist when I studied Spanish at the Univ. Autonoma de Guadalajara, a private and very prestigious Catholic university. I was literally swamped with attention from beautiful girls and even some teachers. If I can do it, most anyone should be able to have the same amount of success...

San Diego... for a week...

Ah well... next time...

As for border towns... I am not sure... I am in DFW. It's not as close to the border as you might imagine. Texas is a pretty big state :-)

Although... my father has been to a campground south of Mexico City, I believe, and has been trying for a couple of years to get me down there with him...

Hmmmm.... myabe I should go and visit his friends soon...

-- Jeff S.

Actually, I am a little more than a wal-mart security guard... but I don't really have my own business. The LA group in my company is already handling the Mexican acount... unfortunately...

But I appreciate the ideas...

1) I am now married and I doubt if my wife would approve of me taking photos of beautiful women.

2) Everyone knows everybody else in these small towns, and word would soon get around about the wierd, married gringo taking photos of girls.

3) Most girls here would not want their photo taken for use on some kind of internet forum.

  I am just trying to explain how differant the ethnic makeup here is in Mexico, thats all. I am not advertising Mexico, just saying that there are other options besides Colombia, thats all. I am just trying to explain, for the man who wants to try a differant area other than Colombia, Mexico is an excellent choice.

But... where can we go to get an example of the tall blonde mexican women you refer to? Like I said... MexicanMatchmakers.com lists many women. And I think none of them are blonde.

Is the only way to understand what you are meaning to jump a plane and fly there?

That seems pretty extreme...

Please understand... I am interested in what you say... but how can someone feel good about going... before they actually go?

(BTW... how did you meet your wife?)

I talked to a guy a week ago or so who just returned from Mexican Match Makers.  He had been to Cali, Bogota, and Barranquilla before and he said he preferred the experience in Guad.  I asked him about the women on the web site and he indicated there were significantly more in the books, he guessed around 500 or so.  He did mention that to his liking the Colombian girls are hard to beat in terms of appearence alone but then again they were in general younger also.  Bottom line, he said there were plenty of nice and attractive gals to meet.  Now this is an anecdotal experience but it is consistent with what I've been hearing from other guys too.

For myself, I've been to Colombia so many times that it's difficult for me to think about another place.  At this point, it's almost as if I have Colombia in my blood.  But if I was starting over or new to the process I would definitely consider Guad.  I like the idea of finding a women from a culture a bit more conservative and the fact that Guad is only a 3.5  hour flight from California has appeal to me also.  

El Diablo

Keep posting more about your area I'm interested. It is nice knowing that it has a colder climate so the women may just be willing to live in Michigan.