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I was sitting in the car dealership this past friday and in the waiting room the montel williams show was on.  On monday the show is susposed to be about mail order brides.  I heard them mention Russian women but didn't here anything about Latin women

... in response to montel, posted by jDave on Feb 24, 2002

I was reading that Montel Williams just had a show on men bringing home women from overseas. From what I read, this sounded like the most favorable treatment yet. He actually took the side on several occasions again the feminists that attacked this whole thing. Here is the review of the show that some guy wrote on the Volga Girl forum.

It starts with clips of "The Birthday Girl". Montel introduces 2 typical couples (when married, 44-19 {both single} and 50-25 {both divorced}), the women statuesque and beautiful, giving their story, the men in decent shape, but no "Brad Pitts". (Husband #1 runs www.vologogirl.com).

Montel shows an immigration attorney who explains the mechanics. Montel also introduces a young guy (also decent looking) who is just beginning to look (he mentioned that good looking women are stuck up - LOL!) Montel also introduces some broad (slightly obese) who asks why don't you men join an American dating club, etc. Montel attacks her a bit.

Montel introduces John Adams, manager of A Foreign Affair, who gets into a spirited debate with that broad. Montel assists Adams. The broad says the agencies are selling fantasies. Husband #2 says RW remind him of wives in the 50's. Montel says that anyone would take a wife like that.

Montel introduces some feminist (lesbian looking) broad talking about the exploitation of women in the MOB industry and the sex tourist industry. Montel debates a with her about the difference b/w a dating service and a MOB agency. Broad #2 says it is "shopping expedition". Broad #1 assists #2. Montel asks what is the difference b/w MOB and a dating service for millionaires (pay $10K and they will find you a AW to marry). As the debate continues, the broads start to get catatonic, and Montel says that maybe men are just tired of women with attitudes like them!!!

Montel shows a clip of the the story of Timothy Blackwell who killed his Phillipina wife. He introduces Mila Gladova, a lesbian looking RW who wrote "Mail Order Brides: Women For Sale". Montel talks about men who go after *true* 3rd world looking for 10 year girls, etc. Everyone gets into a general debate about what kind of controls are needed. The Russian broad says that poverty drives this. Montel points out the MOB phenomenon of the old West.

Montel shows a clip of Maple Hughes, who was killed in Ukraine, and talks basically about visa whores. American broad #1 says that this is a fantasy relationship men are chasing. American broad #2 says happy MOB marriages are atypical. Montel and Adams take the opposing side. Some feminist broad from the audience says that men doing this are like cavemen.

Montel with saying that if these people are happy together, what is wrong with it.

... in response to I posted this on the Russian site, posted by BubbaGump on Feb 26, 2002

"and Montel says that maybe men are just tired of women with attitudes like them!!!

  Good for him. He's probably a little raw still from getting divorced. The above reminds me of what someone on LWL once said: he'd love to go on a show like that someday, get the woman all worked up, then turn to the audience and say, "Men, is this what you want to come home to?" Score!

... in response to I posted this on the Russian site, posted by BubbaGump on Feb 26, 2002

Good for Montel.It sounds like he was reasonably fair although I wish these murder stories and sex search stories would get seperated from men looking for wives.
Sounds like he really nailed the fat broads with attitudes."Mabye men don't want do deal with women with your attitude."That was great.
It was the first talk show piece that sounded at all fair.

Pete

... in response to Re: Fat broad with attitude.Perfect exam..., posted by Pete E on Feb 27, 2002

Yea,  I too was nauseated by that guilt by association crap that they pulled with the domestic violence hotline # during the intermission.  

This is one subject, that I couldn't give a rat's azz if they debated it on TV or not.  I don't care what people think of the whole process.  It is a very personal choice how one goes about finding a partner, and it just doesn't matter that much if other people find it acceptable or not.

Everytime there is a show about this subject, the process gets trashed.  I wish the guys that get asked to do interviews would just say NO!  There is really nothing to debate.  Sometimes bad things happen to these relationships and sometimes really fantastic things happen.  Sounds like any other relationship to me.  With a divorce rate approaching 60% in the US, I think the real fools are the guys who aren't considering other options.

And what is this "Mail Order Bride" non-sense?  I think this term is really "grosero".  All of this is just another method of getting an introduction.  I call it international dating.  What's the difference between paying the cover charge night after night to swim around in the pool of sharks at your local night club, or paying Margareth a few bucks to make some dates for you in Cali.  The real difference is the latter might lead to a happy life in the future.

The bottom line here is that when an American man gets on a plane to fly to another country to meet women, American women feel rejected and insulted when they hear about it.  They lash out at us because they feel like we are rejecting them.  It's classic behaviour for American women...they name call.

My 2 pesos worth.
Wayne

... in response to I posted this on the Russian site, posted by BubbaGump on Feb 26, 2002

"Montel with saying that if these people are happy together, what is wrong with it"

This sentence explains the whole reason AW don't like this. You are not allowed to be happy.

... in response to montel, posted by jDave on Feb 24, 2002

Is not Montel Williams wife in the process of divorcing him or has it already happen?  I heard this thru the grapevine.

I could be wrong.  But intuition tell me that the focus of the show is going to be negative.

Stay tune,

... in response to Re: montel, posted by yc on Feb 24, 2002

I think that they are already divorced. If I'm not mistaken.

Anyway I had to run out early today so at the last minute I turned on my VCR to record the show.  

The show was mostly about Russian women and women from Panama.  They had a guy that runs an agency for mostly those areas.  I didn't really hear anything about latin agencies.  

I used to watch Montel every now and then, and as ususal he tried to play both sides against the middle.  They talked a lot about domestic abuse with these relationships and one guy who killed a woman who took him to court about it.  Of course the women in the audience were going crazy about all this and even why would a guy want to look elsewhere other than the USA.

This guy who owned the agency was not a good representive for anyone who is looking for a woman anywhere but the U S .
Of the couple of women from other countries who were on the show they said very little. They looked very intimidated by just being there and to tell you the truth they had reason to be.

I am a black man and I have no problem with race.  I have dated just about every race of woman I can think of. A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN IS A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN NO MATTER WHAT COLOR SHE IS.  A person has to make me not like him or her for a reason other than the color of his/her skin.  Now Montel having being married to a white woman and catching a lot of **** for that especially being famous and all should have done this show a lot better or not at all!!!  But then ratings does keep the show on and I bet more women watch him than men.  In my opionon it all boils down to money. He like so many others sold out.

... in response to Re: Re: montel, posted by jDave on Feb 26, 2002

First let me say that I am not a Montel fan one way or the other. I do think he is one of the better talk show host 99% of the time. But I haven't watched him in years to be honest. I did tape the show as you did. I watched it last night when I returned home. I have several points to dicuss:

FirstI totally disagree with you. I think the show was very good. Of course he is going to play the middle, that's what a talk show is about. It is supposed to discuss both sides of an issue.(pro-con). His job is to play devils advocate.

Perhaps you would have preferred 60 minutes or 48 hours air a story in which you would have never seen or heard or any good aspects of foreign brides.  

Yes, the show spoke of spousal abuse, it is an issue!, but as Montel pointed out, abuse runs rampid in traditional marriages as well, so why the all the fuss for these marriages since they only comprise 5% of all marriages. He only only gave abuse the time and spotlight it deserved. The entire show wasn't on abuse.

If anything, the Montel show was, in many ways, very supportive of this alternative. Yes the men on the show may not have been representative of all men, but the funny thing about this alternative is that it is comprised of men of many different backgrounds.  So no one he could have put up there on stage would have been truly "representative".

In addidiion, Montel pointed out the fact that these marriages only make up 5% of all marriages.  He also pointed out that US "MOB's" exist for millionaire men.  Not one of the critics could or would address this issue. This leads to the other important thing that was brought out on the show(to my surprise as well)

No one on the panel or in the audience for that matter could provide a argument opposing men seeking foreign brides other than with the poor reason/excuse of "it diminishes the pool of good American men"(how selfish of AW..ha ha). Not one person would comment on the issue of a man only seeking true love, second chances at life and children, desire for a stable relationship and simply a persons right to make a choice in who to pursue in relationships.  These are all the reasons for choosing this alternative, ...In my opinion, this is what the show came back to.

The show also gave time to the policical issues surrounding foreign brides.(having to jump through hoops when you marry a woman just because she is from another country, how absurd). Again as Montel aked out, "Why?".  

Perhaps the show doesn't show everthing through rose colored glasses, but in my honest opinion, I think the show was very fair to both sides(if anthing, with a slight advantage to "pro" side of seeking a foreign bride).

Granted he didn't have a lot of "diversity" on stage, but at least he put some dignified people on his show. Having explored Russian women, I can tell you from my limited experience that the Russian women on his show were very representative of what you find. The vast majority of them are very well educated and the fact remains that American Russian marriages are the dominant pair now in inter-cultural marriages.

I would have liked to have seen the show speak more the differences in culture as a reason for men making this choice. He kind of let it be implied that this was a factor. But in my opinion, it was not salient enough.

Just my opion. ????

... in response to Montel- "I thought the show was goo..., posted by Onephd on Feb 26, 2002

The show also pointed out how the entire West coast was populated with an earlier verion of Mail order brides.

Montel points out that America used MOB with American women and it was O.K. but now since the men are looking at foreign women, this is wrong????

again just my 2 cents on the show

... in response to Re: montel, posted by yc on Feb 24, 2002

I don't think a simple guy meets girl and lives happily ever after is up to the level of the senationalism they usually try to have to keep the show exciting.Kind of like the front page of your newspaper,its usually bad news that makes the news.

Pete

... in response to Re: Re: montel,probably a negative story, posted by Pete E on Feb 24, 2002

Here's some links of situations that we would all admit were terrible for people that had met through the "mail order" process.  I think the reason for this kind of show it typically that the audience is the kind that goulishly enjoys to look at a car accident.  So I would expect that given the need to sell TV you can be sure there will be some sensationalist antics.  My opinion is that it is no secret that there are people unsuited for marriage involved in this process.  But this is not any different than the people that are "dating" in the typical fashion.  Anyway, here's some links.

A longer article with both sensationalism and some presentation of varying points of view.
http://www.heraldnet.com/Stories/00/11/12/13147929.cfm

Scroll down to read the slant on the Susana Blackwell murder.  Timothy Blackwell was convicted and is serving life in prison.  A couple of things not mentioned, she had a boyfriend, and she was pregant, not from her husband, but from her boyfriend.  Worth skimming only so that you will be prepared in the event you have to deal with someone of this mindset.
http://www.feminist.org/news/newsbyte/maybyte96.html#new0530

MOB and boyfriend kill husband who is 40 years older than her!
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/crimesofmailorderbrides

Man and his convicted sex offender roommate kill MOB!
http://www.heraldnet.com/Stories/01/5/2/13703891.cfm

... in response to If you can't/don't want to watch..., posted by HappyInBrazil on Feb 25, 2002

The following sentence is such disinformation:  

"The tragedy of Remerata's murder has brought increased criticism to the practice of purchasing mail-order brides, a practice many women's rights organizations consider akin to slavery; women are sold into the custody of a man they must live with for at least two years in order to obtain citizenship."

Feminist groups keep insisting that we buy these women.