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I have been away from this forum for quite some time. However, I have read several threads about Guadalajara and Mexican women lately. I am concerned about the broad misconceptions and generalizations I am reading.

A little background for the new posters: I am posting under a new name because I can't access my old account. Some of you may remember I went to Guadalajara on vacation in June 2000, and met a beautiful woman. I sold my home and went to study Spanish in GDL for five months in January 2000. After dating, returning to Oregon and now newly married in November 2001, I am living in a small town in the Los Altos region of eastern Jalisco. My wife is a hospital Administrator and I teach English and am growing some Agave on the side.

The region where I live is reputed to have the best looking girls in the world. Although this claim is sure to be challenged, I think it is right on the money. The girls here are not the typical Hispanic girls you may see in the USA. Most of those girls are from the countryside or southern Mexico, where they are more apt to be pure Indian. The girls from  Jalisco, Sinaloa, Sonora and Chihuahua (all central to northern states) are the best looking in Mexico. Here in Jalisco, I can't decide which girls are better looking, the girls from GDL (Tapatias) or Los Altos (Altenas). Tapatias are tall, curvaceous with big brown eyes and morena clara skin. Altenas (my wife is an Altena) are renowned for being natural blond  with blue or green eyes, tall and curvaceous. Yes, natural blonde! I have seen the prettiest girls in the world here, I can vouch for that, because I see them everyday. Even though I am happily married to a beautiful, professional, educated woman, I still notice.

I believe the women here, in addition to being the prettiest on earth, are also more in line with what some men profess to be looking for, that is traditional. These girls are very traditional and conservative. They require much more time to get to know and many have no desire to leave Mexico, as things are very good here for the middle and upper classes. The only reason these girls go to the USA is for vacations or to study. You have probably seen them, and didn't even know they were Mexican.

Sorry to rock the Colombian boat on this Colombian agency oriented forum, but I have to tell you folks the best Latin girls are not in Colombia, they are directly south of the border in central Mexico.

Alteno (randy)

... in response to Let me tell you about Mexican women..., posted by Alteno on Feb 20, 2002

Thanks for the update.  Now, when are you going to start the Mis Alteñas agency?  Saludos desde los campos del Condado Frenso,

FF  

PD.  ¿Hay tilde sobre la "n" en alteño, como en "norteño", o estoy equivicado?  Pues es solamente para curiosidad, y muchas veces estoy equivicado sobre cosas que tenga que ver con el español.  Nunca he tenido oportunidad vivir en México, solamente he podido visitarlo.

... in response to Re: Let me tell you about Mexican women...., posted by FredFresno on Feb 21, 2002

My mistake, I forgot how to spell Alteno. I was thinking like the anglo I am...

... in response to Let me tell you about Mexican women..., posted by Alteno on Feb 20, 2002

Hello dear sir, first of all, I respect your opinion about Mexican women but I can't help but challenge your opinion regarding Mexican women. You are right, most of the women I have dated in Chicago were Mexican, Mexican-Americans. Yes, great memories from these former girlfriends, friends. Your right Mexican women from Guadalajara and Sinaloa are extremely beautiful.  You also gave examples of physical standards that correspond to region/state.  I will be honest most non-Mexican Latinos think that Mexican women are not attractive.  I am not one of them, I believe and have seen very beatiful Mexican women but most do lack something.  You see my friend many Mexican women have a pretty face but (in my opinion) they lack the curvaceous body to go with that elegant face. (Guys please don't  view me as a dog....I am just giving   my opinion on something based on what I have read).  Yes whether you believe it or not many Mexican women DO NOT have the body we all love to see on a women. My ex-girlfreind is from Jalisco and she had beautiful hazel big eyes, nice cute aqualine nose and lips with the perfect amount of thickness....but....she also had a flat butt, and twigs for legs nontheless she captured my heart, anyway I'm sorry if I sound like a generalizing cavemen but if you compare your Mexicanas' bodies with a Brazilian, Venezuelan, Colombian, Panamanian, Puerto Rican, Dominican, Cuban there is NO COMPETITION period!!!!! I honestly think this fact is due to history, you see my friend all the countries I mentioned there has been a significant amount of mixing of different races. These races include Mongoloid(Native American),Caucasoid, and Negroid. Mexico has not seen a significant amount of Negroid in their blood--many Mexicans seem to be proud of this(if I am being bias, pardon me). Yes, my friend, the past decade of dealing with Mexican girlfriends have taught me one thing indeed. Most Mexicans are racist against anything black(I know I have touch on this subject, but its dear to me, so forgive my boldness forum). My friend look at the Miss Universe competition--3 of the top 5 countries are Venezuela, Brazil, and Colombia---and what do these 3 countries have in common besides CURVACIOUS, HOUR-GLASS FIGURE, VOLUPTUOS WOMEN? All three also have a very diverse people that touch every strata of humans--with this thought I farewell you with a checkmate---Colamn

... in response to I challenge your statement, posted by colman on Feb 21, 2002

The way a woman dresses/fixes her hair/puts on her makeup can and does affect the way she looks.

Living in NYC I get to see all types of Latinas, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Dominicans, Colombians, Mexicans, Brazilians, Guatemalans,  Salvadorans, you name it, we have it, the main difference I see is that the Puerto Ricans, Colombians etc. tend to dress more provocatively, Tight Jeans, high heels and they have a better idea of how to fix their hair and put on their makeup than their Mexican/Central American sisters.

To me that is the main difference.

... in response to Let me tell you about Mexican women..., posted by Alteno on Feb 20, 2002

hey man,

welcome back! i remember you from 6 months ago or so. you had a little site put together of pictures of your then future wife and her family, etc.

do you have any more shots of the area around where you are living? landscape, houses, etc. (o.k., women also!), so we can get a feel for the area?

i have heard many good things about gda since you posted your experiences here, and i like high and dry climates.

i do have one question. when the folks from your area talk about pleasure travel to the u.s.a., what are the places they would most like to visit? is it san diego and the west coast, or do they look to the east? what areas of the u.s. do they seem to have a connection to?

hey, congrats, i remember thinking what a lucky man you were when i saw your photos.

see ya,  bret

... in response to Re: Let me tell you about Mexican women...., posted by bret on Feb 21, 2002

Well, I can't really post any photos of women anymore, but I am working on posting more photos of my life here.

When Mexicans talk about travelling to the USA for vacations, three places continually pop up; California, Texas and New York City. That being said, my sister in law and her family are on a ski vacation to Bend, Oregon this week, after I told them how great the area is. Many Mexicans also like to take Ski vacations, and I remember one friend of mine who with her dad and brother drove to Ruidoso, N.M. from GDL just for a weekend of Skiing, a 20 hour drive, mas o menos.

Thanks for the kind words...

... in response to Let me tell you about Mexican women..., posted by Alteno on Feb 20, 2002

The 'pure Indian' comment gave you away even before I got to the end of your post where you revealed yourself.

I see things haven't changed.

... in response to I knew it was you Randy, posted by JUAN on Feb 21, 2002

Juan, I know you think you are some sort of champion of political correctness. I am describing my PERSONAL PREFERENCE here, which are natural blonde latinas with blue or green eyes (I just described my wife!). To me, there is nothing more exotic than a latina fitting that description. I have seldom seen a pure Indian woman here that attracts me, what is so wrong with that?

If I was looking for a woman in Colombia, I would go to Medellin or Bogota, because that is where the whiter (can I say white without offending you?) women are. If I was looking in Panama, I would go to the Chiriqui province, where the people there are descended from Swiss settlers. But you never know, I might have met a beautiful Morena somewhere...relax, Juan...please.

... in response to Let me tell you about Mexican women..., posted by Alteno on Feb 20, 2002


If your wife is Altena... you'd BETTER decide that Altenas are better looking... LOL

Thanks for the words of encouragement.

I've already decided that I'm heading there in April if things don't work out for me in Brazil in March...

... in response to Let me tell you about Mexican women..., posted by Alteno on Feb 20, 2002

Randy,
Thanks for the post,its good to get some real imput.I was one of the guys questioning the looks of the girls there,but you make such a good case I'm almost convinced without seeing it myself.Sounds alot different that the Mexicanas we are used to seeing.
You mention the girls are not anxious to leave.This puts them in a different catagory than most Colombianas.I also remember reading that the Guadalajara area has alot of American retirees.For the guys old enough or with the means to live there,how do these girls who would rather stay feel about age differences?What Else can you tell us about living/retiring there?What about crime?Cost of living?
Weather?Issues with the government?

Thanks

Pete

... in response to Re: Let me tell you about Mexican women...., posted by Pete E on Feb 20, 2002

Hi Pete, nice to hear from you. I will answer your questions below:

1) Problems with age gaps: This doesn't appear to be an issue at all here. In one of my classes, I have a 34 year old single factory manager and a 17 year old hottie sweetheart of a girl. He has been flirting with her forever, and after class he asked her out, and she accepted. I asked my boss if this was a problem here in Mexico. He said no, of course not. As long as the girl is over 16 and the family gives the go ahead, any thing is possible. I asked the same question of the professional family I lived with in GDL, after they tried to fix me up with the 17 year old neighbor girl across the street. They looked at me like I was from Mars. She was a perfect female prototype too, about 5'11" with long blonde hair...Anyway, no, age differances don't appear to be a problem. I like the combination of beauty and maturity I find in my wife, though, as she is 36 and I am 41.

2)Retirees in Jalisco: Yes, there are many retirees in GDL, but the majority live one hour south of GDL, in the beautiful Lake Chapala area. There are about 7,000 or so retirees, mostly from Canada and the USA. They have quite a Gringo infrastructure there, so the culture shock for new arrivals is minimal. Here in my town, I am the only Gringo.

3)Crime: Crime, of course is everywhere. There seems to have been a proliferation of Cholos (gangbangers from the USA) home for the holidays. Hence, the crime rates soar, and before the police (who would rather do nothing) catch them, they are back in the USA. Car theft rates in GDL are among the highest in Mexico.

4) Cost of Living: This is on the increase, especially since the government is raising taxes on everything from food to water to gas. I would say the cost of living exceeds the rural area of eastern Oregon where I am from. But there are still deals out there, and rents are far cheaper. You just have to know how to shop, and having a Mexican family helps in finding deals.

5) Weather: The weather here in Los Altos is anything but tropical. We are at 7000', so we have a brisk, healthy climate. It has snowed in the hills surrounding town twice this winter, and the temps have been in the twenties often. The climate in GDL and Lake Chapala is about ten degrees warmer.

6) Govt. Issues: Red tape and a slow beauracracy is a way of life here. I just have to get used to it. The cops are usually not trustworthy and lack education. However, I know a couple of Engineers who are on my Soccer team that have really pushed Sewage treatment and traffic control, so there are some good, hard working public servants out there.

Hope this helps...Alteno

... in response to Answers to all of your questions, Pete....., posted by Alteno on Feb 21, 2002

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... in response to Re: Let me tell you about Mexican women...., posted by Pete E on Feb 20, 2002

I don't think you can take a colombian wife to live there.  I think it's for mexicans and americans only.

... in response to Re: Re: Let me tell you about Mexican wo..., posted by omar on Feb 20, 2002

If we ever moved to a latin country for my wife it would have to be Colombia.Call my question general interest.

Pete

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Let me tell you about Mexica..., posted by Pete E on Feb 20, 2002

Colombian women won't live in Mexico because of their loyalty to soccer.  So its better to consider Colombia or US.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Let me tell you about Me..., posted by omar on Feb 20, 2002

I understand from a friend who tried to bring his that it's as hard to bring a Colombian woman into Mexico as the US.

... in response to Re: Re: Let me tell you about Mexican wo..., posted by omar on Feb 20, 2002

..n/t

... in response to Let me tell you about Mexican women..., posted by Alteno on Feb 20, 2002

I suppose it depends on the circumstances as to if they would leave Mexico or not. I have been writing to 3 girls right now in Guadalajara. All three are seniors at the University of Guadalajara and getting ready to graduate from college in about 3 months. They are all in the 23-25 year age range. All three of them want to come to the U.S. to start a new job and have a new husband and start a fresh life, but I suppose if you get a girl who has an established career in Mexico then it might be difficult to get them to leave. I think it all depends on the circumstances and every situation is different. I am 26 years old, well established with a good job and everything and most women consider me average or ok looking so alot of them look at me as the perfect potential partner but yes I guess if there is a big age difference also the family of the girl may not like that because you are right most Mexican families are very conservative. I am not trying to get a solid 10 runway model. I just want a nice, sweet, fairly educated girl that could be an 8-8.5 on a scale of 1-10 with a personality and Guadalajara there are tons of girls that fit in that category.

... in response to Let me tell you about Mexican women..., posted by Alteno on Feb 20, 2002

I have learned to grow skeptical of claims that one part of the world has the most beautiful women.  However, I have been to Guadalajara, as well as other locations in Mexico and they certainly match the Colombian women for looks.  And thanks to the French influence there are natural blondes there.  Of course, there are also pretty women in the U.S as well.  The problems I had with Mexican Matchmakers is that most of the women tended to have children, or were young and conservative, but conservative meant they wanted someone catholic which I am not. Also, they were not very good at keeping appointments.  However, I am not knocking the place because it may be the perfect fit for some of you men out there.  So, at least check it out to see if it fits your needs.  I think the reason most of us are going to Colombia is simply the choice available is much greater than anywhere else.  And the women are willing to leave.  Also, a tip to younger guys in Southern California who can stomach nightclubs.  Check out a place in Tijuana called Plaza Fiesta.  It is a plaza with about a dozen nightclubs in one small area.  On Friday and Saturday nights it is packed with middle/upper class chicas dressed to kill.  There is also a place in Zona Rio (Ochaos) that has a Ladies night on Thursday.  You will find plenty of chicas in Tijuana as beautiful as the ones in Guadalajara, Colombia, or the U.S.

Keep your options open.  I do.      

... in response to Re: Let me tell you about Mexican women...., posted by digital1942 on Feb 20, 2002

I ALWAYS shake my head when I read or hear guys talk about a place with the 'most beautiful women in the world.'

I don't care what anyone says, there is no place on earth where EVERY women is beautiful, attractive, stunning, choose any adjective.

Likewise, there is no place on earth where all the women are dogs.

Another thing guys forget is just because you find a woman to be absolutely stunning and have fallen head over heels for her doesn't mean she is going to be attracted to you.

It never hurts to be loaded like randy Gerber but not all guys have that advantage.

... in response to I agree, posted by JUAN on Feb 21, 2002

Of course no one place has the best or worst looking women. But of all the places I have been in Latina America and North America, this region right here where I live, has the best looking women I have ever seen...period, end of story.

And what is this loaded comment about? Do you know me? I didn't think so, so you have no right making a comment like that. I sold and consolidated all of my worldly assets before coming here so I could do this. I have a differant philosophy than most on this board, which is you only go around once in this life, so live a little! Think outside the box, make a move. You can always go back to the USA and get back into the rat race if it doesn't work out.
So far, so good here in Mexico. My wife has a great job, we have a sweet house sitting deal with my sister in law, I have a small income and a chance to grow my own Agave...I am really glad I made the move. It is possible if you really want it...

... in response to I agree also..., posted by Alteno on Feb 21, 2002

From reading your posts in the past I thought you were loaded.

Apologies.

To tell you the truth, I've thought about doing the same thing you've done but being that I'm 25 I still don't have enough assets to sell or have enough money saved up to do it.

I commend you for LIVING your life.

... in response to My Mistake, posted by JUAN on Feb 22, 2002

accepted. I didn't post anything here to draw you into an argument...really! I am just trying to point out the differances I note with the Mexican women in the USA, and the women that actually live here in Mexico. If you saw some of these women in NYC, for example, you wouldn't even believe they are Mexicana's...Anyway, thanks...

... in response to I agree, posted by JUAN on Feb 21, 2002

.. that she even mildly interests you for the long term. Who hasn't been extremely turned on by a stunningly beautiful women and then just as turned off once you get to know her.

-- Jeff S.

... in response to Re: Let me tell you about Mexican women...., posted by digital1942 on Feb 20, 2002

The women in Guadalajara tend to act conservative but the minute they fall for you, they are yours forever and will do almost anything for you in bed and everything else  according to my friend Eduardo from Mexico city. I am Catholic so I don't think I will have a problem, but you are right the culture in Mexico is alot different then in Colombia. If you understand the women and what they are about, they are actually not a bad choice. All Mexican women have a wild streak in them, however in public they very rarely display this wild streak.

... in response to Re: Let me tell you about Mexican women...., posted by digital1942 on Feb 20, 2002

in Los Altos, and I am glad that you mention that. My wifes great-great grandparents were full Dutch. She is mistaken for Canadian, American or Russian in her own country. People really scratch their heads when she comes to the USA. But the European look is my personal preferance. There are so many pretty Morena Claras and Morenas also to choose from, if that is your interest. But the sociological implications of natural blond Mexican girls really interests me, as I used to think all Mexicans were muy moreno.

As far as traditionalist women, these girls are about forty years behind us in the dating game. Again, not all girls here fall into this category, just the majority, but like everything in Latin America, that too is changing rapidly. With the influence of MTV, etc., this may be the last generation of traditional women anywhere, not just in Latin America...Alteno

... in response to Let me tell you about Mexican women..., posted by Alteno on Feb 20, 2002

Venezuelan women are the best looking in the world in my opinion. Are the women really traditional? A lot of the women on the Mex. Matchmakers site seem to have one, two children. Are the Mexi-men leaving their wives or is it out of wedlock that they are having their children?

... in response to Re: Let me tell you about Mexican women...., posted by stefang on Feb 20, 2002

stefang, have you been to Venezuela? I went a couple of years ago, and didn´t see many pretty women. They win a lot of beauty pageants, but I´m told surgery frequently has a lot to do with that. The people there were really nice to me, so I´m not trying to put them down or anything; it just wasn´t whiplash time.

... in response to Re: Let me tell you about Mexican women...., posted by stefang on Feb 20, 2002

Hey, Randy, welcome back. stefang raises an interesting point above about women with children. Someone who has spent time in GDL mentioned something similar to me: after getting to know a woman for a while, he would try to hold hands with her, only to be told, "oh no, that´s only for serious boyfriends and girlfriends!". But as he pointed out, a lot of these women had children, so obviously *somebody* was getting more than just hand-holding. What´s your take on that?

  Teo

... in response to Re: Re: Let me tell you about Mexican wo..., posted by Bueller on Feb 21, 2002

began with dating, then two weeks later I asked her to be 'novios' (boyfriend/girlfriend). For about three weeks I only got the cheek kiss thing. My girl was just being cautious, as Gringos have sort of a bad reputation here. Don't get me wrong, there is every type of girl here in Jalisco. You can find whatever you are looking for, it is just that I think the majority, especially in this region where I live, tend to be very traditional in relationships. But, as I said before, this is changing rapidly due to outside influences...

... in response to Let me tell you about Mexican women..., posted by Alteno on Feb 20, 2002

My major concern with mexico is that the girls may not want to leave.  This is one of the things holding me back about going to mexico.  I do believe what you say about the women in that region be beautiful.  I have been to puerto vallarta many times.  

However, it does not bother me to much that the women want to take thier time getting to know someone.   But as long as they are clear that we are looking for a wife and not 'just friends'.  

My question Randy is... Since you been down there a while,,, have you had any conversations with other women in those areas you mention,  on what they might do if they met an american with the possibility of a reationship?  I would be interested in hearing the feedback.