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Title: One Girl on Three Sites!! ?? Post by: Ken Power on December 13, 2001, 05:00:00 AM Hello gents
Does anyone know if agencies put member limitations on their ladies? Are they allowed to belong to more than one agency at a time? I ask because I have seen one girls picture/bio. on "at least" three sites. I admire her assertiveness, but it seems a little excessive. Maybe I'm wrong. Ken Title: Re: One Girl on Three Sites!! ?? Post by: denvermike on December 16, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to One Girl on Three Sites!! ??, posted by Ken Power on Dec 13, 2001
Hi Ken, It just my opinion, she is doing the same thing you are, so what's wrong with that? Just keep in mind that all the girls have contacts with lots of guys through websites and email. You would be a bit naive if you think that you are the only one that she is talking to. Good luck Title: Re: One Girl on Three Sites!! ?? Post by: Pete E on December 14, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to One Girl on Three Sites!! ??, posted by Ken Power on Dec 13, 2001
If I was one off these girls I would sign up for all free agencies.Why not get maximum exposure?On the other hand it is a sign of a somewhat sophisticated girl who might be more likely to be a user.I would just meet her and see what you think.Trust your intuition.Donīt let the little head take over.Remember for every horror story there are many red flags ignored. Pete Pete Title: Re: One Girl on Three Sites!! ?? Post by: digital1942 on December 14, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to One Girl on Three Sites!! ??, posted by Ken Power on Dec 13, 2001
You definetly should worry, as this is a red flag for a scammer. And if her first name is Ruby, she is a scammer. Title: Just registered, first post....trashing people.... Post by: Hoda on December 14, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: One Girl on Three Sites!! ??, posted by digital1942 on Dec 14, 2001
Oh Yeah, Lotta credibility here.....NOT!!!! Title: Re: Just registered, first post....trashing people.... Post by: digital1942 on December 14, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Just registered, first post....trashing ..., posted by Hoda on Dec 14, 2001
I have met her boyfriend a tall young Colombian. She makes a living off of gullable American men. Men who want to listen can check out these links. As for you goofy - get lost! 1. All Colombian Girls Ruby Amparo 2. Latin Best Here she calls herself Ruby Burbano. Check Album #12
Ruby Number C73 Title: I got your goofy for you..... Post by: Hoda on December 14, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Just registered, first post....trash..., posted by digital1942 on Dec 14, 2001
S.O.S.... You got goofed by a girl, so you think by trashing her without details makes your post/opinion valid. You probably were tossing dollars & got your feelings hurt. TOO DAYYUM BAADD!!!! When a man looks at more than one site or visits more than one agency, does that make him a PLAYER or a HO-STROLLER? You got the tasted slapped out of your mouth, so now you're pissed cause you got PLAYED...Ha-ha-ha! Punks jump up, to get BEAT-DOWN!!! GOT MILK S.O.S. Title: Re: Re: Just registered, first post....trashing people.... Post by: Jim L on December 14, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Just registered, first post....trash..., posted by digital1942 on Dec 14, 2001
I have met this woman in Cali. She introduced herself to me at a party at the old LL Crystal Palace in May 2000. She also introduced me to another woman that was with her: Dorian, her hermana gemela, although they didn't seem to look much alike to me. Later that evening she introduced me to her boyfriend and suggested the four of us go out to some clubs after the party, to which I politely declined. The boyfriend was Mauricio from LL and I assume this is the "tall young Colombian" you are referring to. I saw her again this past April - again with Mauricio. Beyond this I don't know much about her; what her angle is or if she even has one. But the multiple names and the fact that she's even in the books if she's involved with a Colombian guy does raise some questions. Can you provide any details? Title: Re: Re: Re: Just registered, first post....trashing people.... Post by: digital1942 on December 14, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Just registered, first post....t..., posted by Jim L on Dec 14, 2001
You were wiser than me to turn her down. I have been told that she is an old-timer that has been around for a long time and has taken men for mucho dinero. I am sure she will continue to be successful since most guys when taken are embarrassed and go away quietly and certainly do not want to be subjected to the attacks, skepticism, and so forth that can be easily launched against them. In any case, thinking men have enough information now decide for themselves. I have since moved on. Title: Good Team Work Guys !!!! Post by: Aaron on December 14, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Just registered, first post...., posted by digital1942 on Dec 14, 2001
I met Ruby too at LL in May 2000. She was also hanging around this Maurico guy, who is about 6'1, light skinned, with hazzle eyes, with brownish blondish hair. Also, this guy is much younger than she is by about 5 years or a little more. However, it wasn't clear to me if they were going together, but she was just driving around with him in a used but sporty suv. Personally, I would stay away from that group, even if it means staying away from the new LL. Being honest, Title: Detail, details, details Post by: Patrick on December 14, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Just registered, first post...., posted by digital1942 on Dec 14, 2001
We've had quite a few people come into the three message boards here making up stories. Sometimes they register several user names and change the stories. The usual operating mode is to register without any information listed in the their profile, then start immediately with negative posts. I wouls assume most of these types are simply disgusted with the whole concept of marrying a woman overseas (i.e. "Mail order bride") and know very little about it. The more detail a poster gives, both about himself and about what happened, the more believable negative stories become. I'd suggest letting the guys know how it is she "took men for mucho dinero." Did she get you to send her money? If so, what kind of story did she use to do it? That's the kind of information that can help men to avoid the same mistakes. I realize that you're angry and probably are simply using the message board to vent, but please give something back for the opportunity of venting here by posting details so others might be better prepared to avoid this kind of thing. Title: Re: Detail, details, details Post by: pack on December 14, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Detail, details, details, posted by Patrick on Dec 14, 2001
absolutely correct...we want to know about these kind of women...but you must give us the details...more info please! Title: Re: Detail, details, details Post by: jesse on December 14, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Detail, details, details, posted by Patrick on Dec 14, 2001
The woman in question is Ruby. She is well known by most who have visited Cali. She is the girlfriend of Mauricio, who runs Latin Love/the new version of the Crystal Palace. If you invite her out, she will need to bring a translator, who is also her boyfriend. A few agencies know her scam and have removed her from the books, others may or may not know, and she is in all of those agencies, as well as a few address seller sites. I have personally been at parties where she was at, where she came escorted with Mauricio. I even saw him get mad and act like he wanted to fight when another Colombian male flirted with her. She is 30 and Mauricio is 20, so he's trying to keep a hold of his good thing. At least one other guy has posted about his "date/adventure with her" and her "translator/boyfriend" and I know of one other American male who is too embarrassed to post about how he got taken. Title: Re: Re: Detail, details, details Post by: pack on December 14, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Detail, details, details, posted by jesse on Dec 14, 2001
sounds like the boyfriend is involved also...doesnt lok good for LL? Title: Re: Detail, details, details Post by: El Diablo on December 14, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Detail, details, details, posted by pack on Dec 14, 2001
I think everyone who has spent any time in Cali has run into the two sisters at one time or another. My 1st trip in October of 1999, the two of them showed up at LL one night about 8 PM and managed to talk this American, mid 30's into taking them out to dinner. The sister, not Ruby, had been showing up at LL at all hours trying to get this guy to show interest her. He was clearly not interested but ended up accepting their invitation somewhat begrudgingly. I was going to have dinner with my amiga and as things turned out we got dragged along with them. It was funny, the sisters drove us to Rancho de Jonas in an SUV and when dinner was over they pulled up to a gas station and filled the ENTIRE tank despite having only driven a few kilometers. Take a guess who paid!! lol This particular encounter is not untypical of Cali it seems to me. The other gringo wasn't interested in the gal yet it didn't stop him from making out with her!! From my perspective, it's not clear who was using who. As far as Mauricio is concerned, I've always liked him and found him to be trustworthy. I used to drop in at LL a lot and I never saw any suspicious behavior from him. I believe he hooked up with Ruby some time while I was living in Cali. They obviously met through LL and it seemed to me anyway to be kind of an on again off again relationship. My impression is that it was not a very serious relationship, you know similar to ones we used to have when we were teenagers. (At the time Mauricio was about 18 and she was probably mid twenties or so) Anyway to make a short story even longer, I would see them together occasionly at LL however I don't remember there being anything clandestine or secretive about their dating. I don't know anything about Ruby dating other guys but I wouldn't necessarily be surprised by it either. Again I'm not at all convinced that going out with some gringos while dating Mauricio or between dating Mauricio is any worse than what many gringos do. Just my opinion... Anyway, I'm not convinced it does any good to identify a particular woman as a scammer. Nine times out of ten in my opinion there is more to the story than meets the eye and a forum like this only shows one side. I personally think it's better to help identify those things that might be red flags or things to watch out for when getting to know these girls. A lot of these girls that aren't overly serious and are using guys and being used themselves aren't that difficult to identify. I think it takes a bit of dating practice in Cali to do so however and perhaps this is where the problem lies. El Diablo Title: Re: Not the Rubby who used to manage latin Love Post by: Pete E on December 15, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Detail, details, details, posted by El Diablo on Dec 14, 2001
HD, I donīt want anyone to confuse Mauricioīs Ruby with Rubby Rios who managed Latin Love.She was first class,a good manager and cared about the couples she hooked up.I hear she is in Miami starting some sort iof agency. Pete Title: Re: Re: Not the Rubby who used to manage latin Love Post by: pack on December 15, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Not the Rubby who used to manage lat..., posted by Pete E on Dec 15, 2001
i heard that about two years ago that she was in miami starting up a agency...what ...shes still there and still starting up an agency? sloooooow? Title: You're right Pete, not Ruby Rios Post by: El Diablo on December 15, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Not the Rubby who used to manage lat..., posted by Pete E on Dec 15, 2001
Thanks Pete, you are right they are different people entirely and I appreciate you clarifying this point. I can see how a person could become confused after reading my post. To be honest, I'm uncomfortable with the idea of identifying any of these girls by name. Upon reflection, I kind of wish I hadn't jumped in and added to this thread. I've heard NOTHING to date that would convince me that this particular girl is a scammer and it doesn't seem relevant whether or not some of us guys like her or not. Who knows one guy might dislike her and another guy might think she's great. I'm sure there are Calenas who don't particularly care for me and I would feel pretty bad if my name were being thrown around some forum as her's is here. Say hello to Rocio and Sabastian for me. El Diablo P.S. If you're bored sitting around the house, think about checking the Cali real estate market out. I got the Sunday El Pais my last trip and we called a lot of adds looking at apartments to buy in the North. It was a lot of fun and kept me active during some of those times when there isn't much to do. Title: Re: Re: Details and I know them Post by: H2-Oh on December 15, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Detail, details, details, posted by El Diablo on Dec 14, 2001
El D is right about Mauricio and Ruby. I was hounded by Ruby to have a sita with her sister. I talked to her sister for about 10 minutes so she, Ruby, would leave me alone. She's a very pushy chica and I would not give her the time of day. Another thing, Ruby, Mauricio, Adrianna and some other friends went out dancing last year. The ifrst and only dance I had with Ruby, she told me that the chica I was with was a whore and that I should have a date with her sister. Needless to say I was offended and didn't talk to her anymore. My 2 cents, H2-Oh Title: Re: Details and I know them Post by: El Diablo on December 15, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Details and I know them, posted by H2-Oh on Dec 15, 2001
I hear what you're saying H2-OH and I've seen the same kind of classless behavior myself. Remember my birthday party I had this past April. Your ex was there among others. I also invited Mauricio, Norm and the all gringos at Mis Gringuitos. Mauricio brought Ruby and at some point around 11PM she threw an absolute tantrum and started kicking him and yelling obscenities. He wisely escorted her downstairs and out on the street but she continued with her little performance for quite some time. Anyway, maybe she was mixing the rum with the aquardiente or something. In any event, it added a little drama to my 40th birthday party. lol El Diablo Title: Re: Re: Re: Details and I know them Post by: pack on December 15, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Details and I know them, posted by H2-Oh on Dec 15, 2001
sounds like this lady is bad news...thanks for the info...guys going to cali beware...remember these names. Title: Re: Details and I know them Post by: El Diablo on December 15, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Details and I know them, posted by pack on Dec 15, 2001
For me anyway, there's a huge difference between being a pushy chica with absolutely NO class and being an out an out scammer. I'm certain of the former but unconvinced of the latter. El Diablo Title: Re: Re: Details and I know them Post by: pack on December 15, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Details and I know them, posted by El Diablo on Dec 15, 2001
i dont know but she seems to be trouble either way you look at it. Title: Details and I know them Post by: El Diablo on December 15, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Details and I know them, posted by pack on Dec 15, 2001
That we can agree on...(-: Title: Re: Re: Detail, details, details Post by: pack on December 15, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Detail, details, details, posted by El Diablo on Dec 14, 2001
iv never run into the two sisters ...however their reputation is well known by frequent travelers to cali. Title: Re: Re: Detail, details, details Post by: Patrick on December 14, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Detail, details, details, posted by El Diablo on Dec 14, 2001
So, does the "mucho dinero" that Digital says this lady has taken men for consist of nights out on the town and tanks of gas? Sounds like quite a scammer! Newbies reading only what Digital originally posted are probably thinking of guys who were conned out of thousands of dollars. The paranoia in this runs deep. No doubt there are scammers, but it seems that most times we get to the bottom of a story, it turns out there wasn't much to it and as you say, we only get one side of the story. I know there are scammers out there, but I think it's usually over-stated by guys who are a bit paranoid. Title: Re: Re: Re: Detail, details, details Post by: digital1942 on December 17, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Detail, details, details, posted by Patrick on Dec 14, 2001
When I said "mucho dinero" I meant as in thousands of dollars. This Lady is not publishing her picture everywhere she can find in order to get gas money and drinks. I myself was only taken for the latter. However, an extremely reliable source told me about the former. Although I can speak for myself, I am not at liberty to reveal somebody elses name. In any case, its not necessary because if a man is looking for a wife he clearly is wasting his time with this Lady. I also think it was of value to specifically point out the picture of this one Lady instead of describing her modus operandi because she is so unusual it is not that much value to describe what she does. She just has to be identified by her picture so men can avoid her. I also must admit that I am somewhat troubled by how much of a benefit of a doubt a scammer is given on this board. It seems like every benefit of a doubt is given to the scammer and the victim requires a mathematical proof. If this is the natural order of things then maybe we should return the Marines and let Osama go. In any case, you have allowed the information to get through and I thank you for that. Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Detail, details, details Post by: pastilla100 on December 18, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Detail, details, details, posted by digital1942 on Dec 17, 2001
You did the right thing digital. When I served in the military we were expected to watch each others back. You cared enough to warn us. I don't think I would want any of these other guys in my unit. Couldn't depend on them. Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Detail, details, details Post by: El Diablo on December 17, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Detail, details, details, posted by digital1942 on Dec 17, 2001
Hey Digital, Are you familiar with the idea of fair play or the notion that the burden of proof is with the accuser, not the accused?? You posted a women's picture, identified her by name yet you haven't really given us any facts. You are passing on hearsay information that is at best vague. No real details, no names, you yourself are posting from the position of anonymity and you won't reveal your friend's name because you indicate you are not at "liberty" to do so. Do you see the irony of this statement!! If you're not at liberty to name the guy, who I presume is your buddy, why are you at liberty to name the girl (including photo)? This my friend is called a double standard or having your cake and eating it too. I personally know who this girl is and I gave a few detailed first-hand stories (not hearsay) of my encounters and what I think of her. H2-OH did the same. For me, this isn't about whether or not she scammed your buddy. For me this about fair play and burden of proof. I think if a guy steps up to the plate and identifies a women as a scammer and shows her photo for all to see, he himself outta come out from behind anonymity and first identify himself and second give a COMPLETE history of what happened and the relationship he has to all the parties involved. I know a particular woman who scammed a friend of mine in Cali. The story was pretty ugly and it's clear to most people that this was a scam. I've never given out her name in a public forum, not because I think she's innocent but because my friend would prefer to keep his anonymity for obvious reasons. This gal who took my friend is bad news but even the worst of the worst deserve to be treated fairly. El Diablo Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Detail, details, details Post by: digital1942 on December 17, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Detail, details, details, posted by El Diablo on Dec 17, 2001
I understand and respect your position, but the concepts of "burden of proof" and "hearsay" have been devised to be narrowly applied in a court of law in specific situations. We live our daily lives and make important decisions every day based on hunches and non-provable intuitions. I'll accept all information wherever it comes from and may decide to reject someone without knowing for certain just to protect myself. I understand that "details" were missing in my report, but I gave what I could. I worry about some men going to Colombia full of vague notions of Yankee "fairplay". It's just a different point of view. Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Detail, details, details Post by: El Diablo on December 18, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Detail, details, det..., posted by digital1942 on Dec 17, 2001
The notion of fair play isn't vague, we all know it and many people live by it. In this case, it's the idea that a serious accusation should be accompanied by disclosure. When it's not, it is referred to as an unsubstantiated claim or charge and on the scale of things carries less weight than rumor. The only vagueness has come from you Digital. You've provided no details, identified no one but the accused and yet you persist in hiding behind anonymity. Are you familiar with the concept of unintended consequences. The "unintended consequence" of making an unsubstantiated claim in a serious matter might be that the person making the claim seems far less credible than the accused. El Diablo Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Detail, details, details Post by: Patrick on December 17, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Detail, details, details, posted by digital1942 on Dec 17, 2001
I suggest posting details next time rather than a simple slam. It's much more believable, and helpful. Others had to fill in the details for you on this and without them, it doesn't sound like we would have gotten any. Title: the other side of the story.... Post by: Hoda on December 15, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Detail, details, details, posted by Patrick on Dec 14, 2001
somestimes finds guys who throw money around, get pissed when the lady in question, refuses to be brought!!! I wouldn't have believed it, if I didn't see it for myself. Too many men from the U.S. go south, with the attitude that they can literally buy love. After they (Mr.Money bags) spends some money, they expect some booty. When the lady informs them, that she can't be brought. The guys scream SCAMMER, SCAMMER, SCAMMER...LMAO! Hoda... Title: Thanks Jesse Post by: Patrick on December 14, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Detail, details, details, posted by jesse on Dec 14, 2001
Now we know both who she is and what she's pulling. See how easy it is to give details? Title: Re: Re: may happen a lot Post by: Cali vet on December 14, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Just registered, first post....trash..., posted by digital1942 on Dec 14, 2001
Sounds like you may have had a less than happy experience with Ruby. As we all know it wouldn't be the first time an agency girl has a steady Colombian boy friend. I met a girl in B/quilla about a year ago who I was really interested in but after seeing her a bunch of times I realized she wasn't sincerely interested despite things she said to the contrary so I dropped it. However I remained good friends and in contact with her girlfriend who likes to give me updates on what I missed. Turns out my miss x herself contacted a guy in a TLC brochure and invited him to come down to meet her. His plane was late and miss x wanted to leave but my friend convinced her to stay as the guy hardly speaks Spanish, it was his first trip out of the US and he didn't know how to get to his hotel. Thanks to my friend they stayed and met him. Nice chick miss x! Following a second visit he and miss x decided to get married in April. What he doesn't know is that she is now on her SECOND Colombian lover since she met him a few months ago. I asked her friend what's the point? Why marry a gringo she cares nothing about? She said well the locals were good for lovers but don't have any money or good prospects. Marrying a gringo will solve her friend's practical needs ($). This is the first time I've been privy to a running account but I'm sure it happens all the time. I think the lesson here is that young guys going down for the first time, who know little Spanish and maybe haven't had a lot of experience with women, should be on super high alert! Title: Cali-Vet,....I hear and agree... Post by: Aaron on December 14, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: may happen a lot, posted by Cali vet on Dec 14, 2001
with what you're saying. Also, I think it should be added (I'm not trying to suggest anything about you, but just speaking in general) be careful with the girls under 25. Although players come in all ages, shapes, sizes, and colors, I would be very careful with the younger girls. They're likely to play the most games, and not mature enough to make a serious commitment, let alone marriage and then relocating to the US. Aaron Title: Re: Cali-Vet,....I hear and agree... Post by: Cali vet on December 14, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Cali-Vet,....I hear and agree..., posted by Aaron on Dec 14, 2001
That may be, however in this case miss x just turned 27 and the poor guy she's milking is 28. I neglected to mention that she's got him sending $200 a month untill they get married. My friend and informant, the girlfriend of miss x said he seemed very innocent and inexperienced with women. I hope he figures out what's going on before he actually marries her. In either case he's got a hard lesson coming up. After a couple of dates I recognized her for what she is. Add her to this Ruby character who's 30 and I think it shows the older they are the slicker they get if it's their nature. Title: Vet.....I'll drink to that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! =0) Post by: Aaron on December 14, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Cali-Vet,....I hear and agree..., posted by Cali vet on Dec 14, 2001
"I think it shows the older they are the slicker they get if it's their nature." Definitely true!!! Now this is coming from a man with experience. Be cool, Title: Re: One Girl on Three Sites!! ?? Post by: Patrick on December 14, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to One Girl on Three Sites!! ??, posted by Ken Power on Dec 13, 2001
I think it's fairly common and I would not think any less of the woman for it. Afterall, you're perusing at least three agencies to have seen her there, why should she be limited in her selection while you and other men can go to any agency and get to know as many women as you want? If a woman were to ask me how best to maximise her chances of finding a good man, I'd recommend that she join as many agencies as she can find. Title: Re: Re: One Girl on Three Sites!! ?? Post by: john_paul32177 on December 14, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: One Girl on Three Sites!! ??, posted by Patrick on Dec 14, 2001
i would like to add to the discussion. sometimes they enroll in one agency and the agency they are in are the one to send her information to several other agencies even without the knowledge of the girls. this was the experience of my wife and several others in the agency she registered originally. needless to say she wasnt to happy about that. i met her through an ad of south of the border and she didnt even now what it was. Title: Ditto.... Post by: Hoda on December 14, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: One Girl on Three Sites!! ??, posted by Patrick on Dec 14, 2001
Since this guy looked at three sites, should a women raise a RED FLAG or call him a Ho-stroller? LOL....Hoda Title: Hell No !!!!!!!!!!! Good point Howard !!!!!!!!!! Post by: Aaron on December 14, 2001, 05:00:00 AM Title: Not a reason not to trust the girl Post by: Michael B on December 14, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to One Girl on Three Sites!! ??, posted by Ken Power on Dec 13, 2001
"Allowed" to join more than one agency? Sure, why not? And even if not "allowed", how is the next agency going to know? Spend 16 hours per prospective member looking to see if she's on any other site? Keep in mind that some of the agencies have more than once site, and when a lady signs up at one, they put her on all 3. Some less than honorable agencies "steal" women's pictures and descriptions from other agencies. Some agencies put pictures of ladies that aren't even aware that their picture and profile are posted (and would be really angry if they found out) Some agencies even use professional models, sometimes with or sometimes without their consent or knowedge. I wouldn't hold it against the lady that you see her in more than one place. |