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Title: Afghan shot in Cali Post by: Kenfer8 on November 28, 2001, 05:00:00 AM I read this article today in El Pais (Cali's largest newspaper)
www.elpais-cali.terra.com.co/HOY/periodico/JUD/B628N2.html The Afghan has been married to a Caleņa for 7 years. The couple visited a money-exchange place and then went home. A robber broke into their house and demanded the money. Of course the Afghan man resisted and then was shot 2 times in the head. He's expected to survive though. Title: What does this story mean to you? n/t Post by: HappyIdiot on November 28, 2001, 05:00:00 AM Title: Re: Afghan shot in Cali Post by: Craig on November 28, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Afghan shot in Cali, posted by Kenfer8 on Nov 28, 2001
Maybe I'm reading to much into this post. I'm trying to figure out the motivation of the writer. "Afghan shot in Cali." What's the deal-e-o here? To warn us that Cali is a bad place to go, dangerous, not for gringos? It's like posting "Swede shot in Boise" What's the point? Cali is a big City, not unlike all big city's there is crime. Watch yourself when you go to any big city. My question to the writer is.....Was your post written because you wanted to advise us of current events, or do you have another agenda? Title: Re: Re: Afghan shot in Cali Post by: Kenfer8 on November 28, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Afghan shot in Cali, posted by Craig on Nov 28, 2001
No hidden agenda here. I just found it interesting due to the current events in the world and that 8 or 9 out of 10 posts on this board have to do with Cali. And, besides, a lot of guys on the board ask questions about Colombia's safety, etc; others post messages dealing with bombs exploding in Cali and kidnappings. Title: Here we go again.... Post by: Hoda on November 28, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Afghan shot in Cali, posted by Kenfer8 on Nov 28, 2001
Kenfer, That are far more bombings and kidnappings in the two larger Colombian cities than Cali. I do believe, one of them is your "home" town. Please get a grip with the exagerations, 9 out of 10 post here, aren't about Cali. You're starting on this "Hate" of Cali all over again. You still haven't answered a single question in regards to what you considered "better suited marriage material" or why you feel that Cali women who join agencies are less than desirable. You still haven't posted ANYTHING of any real substance. You're a Colombian man!!!! SO WHAT? WE'RE NOT HERE FOR COLOMBIAN/BRAZILIAN OR ANY MEN FROM S.A....LOL SMACK!! SMACK!! Welcome back to the real world... Title: Hey Hoda! Post by: HappyIdiot on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Here we go again...., posted by Hoda on Nov 28, 2001
I think the disection of what posts are for what is another pointless exercise on divisiveness. No value is gained by deciding X number of posts were about topic A, and completely overlooks the obvious fact that quality is ignored by this meaningless metric. Any results on the investigation of the eBusiness? Who would have had means, motive, and opportunity? Well, some people just have trouble with sticking to a topic, they seem to jump from subject to subject and nothing ever seems to get answered. It's as if they are trying to destroy focus, wow, which would be like disruption. Who knows what the Colombian male's perspective based on this one "example"? If we can even determine what if anything is really being said. Nelson from LAI seems to have been posting and I hope he reads this board. From his posts, I'd imagine he would have some good insights, and the maturity to express them without rudeness. Title: Re: who are you... Post by: Kenfer8 on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Here we go again...., posted by Hoda on Nov 28, 2001
Who do you think you are to demand information from me in such a manner? Title: Please write us guidelines or post a form if you have a preferred method. n/t Post by: HappyIdiot on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM Title: Your anti-Cali nemesis...... Post by: Hoda on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: who are you..., posted by Kenfer8 on Nov 29, 2001
How quickly you forget! Your previous post, which were deleted were basically superficial with nothing, that hasn't been repeated here & disproved many times over. I'm gonna let you in on a little secret.... You & your post ain't above from being questioned here dude. I didn't demand a dayyum thing. I just questioned you. Don't like it? TOO BAD!!!! No free lunch...understand? p.s. How quickly you've gone from being apologetic to jumping bad! Title: You're entitled to your opinion... Post by: Kenfer8 on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Your anti-Cali nemesis......, posted by Hoda on Nov 29, 2001
However...other guys found my messages interesting...so what should I do? You can always skip my messages saving both of us time and bandwidth. The fact that I offered my apoligies doesn't mean that I'm going to let you or other people push me around. Since you're into little secrets, here's another one: there are no sacred cows on this board. Title: Glad you realized that....here's another one. Post by: Hoda on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to You're entitled to your opinion..., posted by Kenfer8 on Nov 29, 2001
I don't have to skip anything. I'm definitely not going to skip a post, I feel is bass-ackward! Don't care who likes or dislikes you. You still haven't said didley squat about your so-called experiences. So I'll tell you again, NO FREE LUNCH!!!!! Got Milk? Title: Re: you don't have to... Post by: Kenfer8 on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Glad you realized that....here's another..., posted by Hoda on Nov 29, 2001
...do anything I tell you. The skipping of my posts was only a suggestion. Title: What-EVER!!!!! Post by: Hoda on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: you don't have to..., posted by Kenfer8 on Nov 29, 2001
Still waiting to hear about some of "Your" experiences. Or are they just private mailings of those who except your words without question? Got Milk? Title: WTF?! No free lunch, man, that's New York style or what? Post by: HappyIdiot on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Your anti-Cali nemesis......, posted by Hoda on Nov 29, 2001
Out here (Las Vegas), we've got free lunch, free rooms, free dinner, free shows. Everyone's a winner! You New Yorkers, you just expect that people will not dig, shift, and move on and on and on. How can you expect people to be responsible for what they say?! This thing about going from apologetic to assaultive, has nothing to do with being completely insincere. Nobody would ever need to say that. Sorry to dog you out Hoda, but you know we need to be careful that if people think and come to the same conclusions that we remain not a group or gang up on people unfairly by doing stuff like asking them what they mean.
Title: So that's where my tax dollars are going...Aarrghh Post by: Hoda on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to WTF?! No free lunch, man, that's New Yo..., posted by HappyIdiot on Nov 29, 2001
Free Lunch Las Vegas...Dayyum!! My bad Happy, heaven forbid we should accuse someone of being insincere! Just because my lady is from Cali & yours is from Brazil, we just "happen" to both request that the poster, expand on their beliefs? The "nerve" of us! Tsk, tsk,tsk...Just what is this world coming too? Lmao...Hoda Title: Re: So that's where my tax dollars are going...Aarrghh Post by: pack on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to So that's where my tax dollars are going..., posted by Hoda on Nov 29, 2001
im not sure but i dont think you can say insincere ,isnt that politically incorrect? Title: OMG you're so right! Post by: HappyIdiot on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to So that's where my tax dollars are going..., posted by Hoda on Nov 29, 2001
You are so right about that world thing. It's what the world's coming to. God forbid that we would actually have to take responsibility for what we say and thinking and stuff. That's um, unfair or something. You know hard and stuff. Hey why are you hating on me about my girl being from Brazil! You know this is a pro Cali board because someone said it and now the heat will be on me. It doesn't matter that I have been posting for months thinking that people were interested talking about Latinas. That would be like, the stated purpose of this forum or something. Title: The "stated" purpose.... Post by: Hoda on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to OMG you're so right!, posted by HappyIdiot on Nov 29, 2001
Bro, you better stop breathing that clean air out there! That stuff ain't good for ya! How dare you have a lady from Brazil! Better watch out! Me & my Cali/Colombia cartel will come & get you...BOO!!!! LMAO...Hoda Title: I knew it! Post by: HappyIdiot on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to The "stated" purpose...., posted by Hoda on Nov 29, 2001
You got me on the run now! I do have to answer some awkward questions about my town. I was talking to J the other day, and she said, I saw your city on television. (UH OH!) There was a man, with a big piece of wood and he mixed many kinds of food on a table then smashed the wood on the table and this disgusting food went out onto the audience. (I guessed correctly that the was Galliger(sp?) the comedian and his "sledge-o-matic") ... and the moral of the story.... I would not want to have a dress ruined by going to this kind of show. So, based on my international experience, I would highly recommend that you warn your girl before taking her to see Galliger. As usual, happy to help with meaningful personal insights! I'm sure they never say anything strange about New York.... heh Title: NYC Strange???? Hell no!!!! Post by: Hoda on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to I knew it!, posted by HappyIdiot on Nov 29, 2001
It's the rest of the world THAT'S STRANGE...LOL LOL...Hoda Title: Correction...Your Cali-Nemesis!!!!......nt Post by: Hoda on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM Title: Re: Afghan shot in Cali Post by: JunFan on November 28, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Afghan shot in Cali, posted by Kenfer8 on Nov 28, 2001
How in the world do you get shot twice in the head and live? Must be the modern, advanced Colombian healthcare system that came through for this man...jaja Mike Title: Small caliber, grazing wound, shot in face not head maybe, but mainly.... Post by: HappyIdiot on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Afghan shot in Cali, posted by JunFan on Nov 28, 2001
Mainly who cares. No real implications were offered and I don't see this as particularly educating anyone about anything to do with the pursuit of Latin Women for marriage. Not surprisingly. Title: Re: Good for you... Post by: Kenfer8 on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Small caliber, grazing wound, shot in fa..., posted by HappyIdiot on Nov 29, 2001
Since you're dealing with Brazilian women and don't have plans to go to Cali...you don't care. So...you can always skip my messages and move on to others that catch your attention. Title: Do they have a traditional monarchy in Colombia? Post by: HappyIdiot on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Good for you..., posted by Kenfer8 on Nov 29, 2001
Just curious if someone would have to be born into it or they could elect themselves Little Princess? Thanks for explaining my options to me of posting or not posting, reading and not reading, it was very helpful to understand the full ramifications from the "Colombian man"'s perspective. Title: Re: Do they have a traditional monarchy in Colombia? Post by: Kenfer8 on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Do they have a traditional monarchy in C..., posted by HappyIdiot on Nov 29, 2001
Your welcome. Even the obvious is worth mentioning sometimes. Title: So... self elected Little Princess? Thanks for the confirmation. n/t Post by: HappyIdiot on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Do they have a traditional monarchy ..., posted by Kenfer8 on Nov 29, 2001
n/t Title: That was tooo easy Happy. You should be ashamed..lol Post by: Hoda on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to So... self elected Little Princess? Tha..., posted by HappyIdiot on Nov 29, 2001
Not too often, you see a person "pimp-slap" themselves.. Little princess....lmao! I'm gonna get you a spot on the Bernie-Mac show... Hoda Title: This is why we need more internet regulation I guess..... Post by: HappyIdiot on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to That was tooo easy Happy. You should be ..., posted by Hoda on Nov 29, 2001
I'm trying to feel deep and lasting shame, but my complete lack of conviction is hindering the process. I'm sure there will be laws against this one day. I only thank God this guy did not claim he was Brazilian, then I might feel some shame. But I suppose as long as they never really say anything about the country or the perspective of someone from the country it would be.... well just like any other foo. So are you and S going to get together over the holiday? Title: I wish.... Post by: Hoda on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to This is why we need more internet regula..., posted by HappyIdiot on Nov 29, 2001
Gotta save up for a bunch a stuff. God willing, this will be our last holiday apart. These holidays have been really, really tough. What about yourself? Blessed or Solo? Hoda... Title: Semi Lucky Post by: HappyIdiot on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to I wish...., posted by Hoda on Nov 29, 2001
Not sure yet where we will get together, but all the jacking around about visas is gettting to be too much stress for both of us. Unfortunately the agent that was supposed to be be the expert and be able to handle everything dropped the ball in a big way after about 2 months. So J will be flying to Brasilia next week to take care of everything. I asked if she wanted to, to check into getting a Mexican tourist visa, then we'd have more options depending on outcome. So, I'm not sure, Here in the US is #1 choice, but the other options are Brazil or maybe Mexico. Cozamel Island is a nice, romantic place. I've stayed at El Presidente a couple times, and would definately choose that place again. The nice thing is we *should* know in time to make plans. It is definately wearing the number of weeks that go by where you should know "next week". Title: He can reply or question whoever he wishes...lol Post by: Hoda on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM Title: Um, actually I can't..... Post by: HappyIdiot on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to He can reply or question whoever he wish..., posted by Hoda on Nov 29, 2001
You know how deeply affected I am by those internet manly words. LOL Gee, maybe that IS why people use reason and explanation over the internet!!! It's like you get judged on what you say! It's amazing that Al Gore would have invented that when he invented the internet. He was one smart guy, but not smart enough to have his brother count the votes in Florida. Title: Ouch... Post by: Hoda on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Um, actually I can't....., posted by HappyIdiot on Nov 29, 2001
Could you imagine the response, if the same thing had happened say in a Central or South American country? Hoda....BTW it's 50 & mild here! Glad I ain't living in Utah! They got pimp-slapped with 16 inches...brrrrr! Title: LOL yeah. Post by: HappyIdiot on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Ouch..., posted by Hoda on Nov 29, 2001
Snow looks really nice up in the mountains, I think. I can see a good mountain from my deck that gets snow on it in the winter. What's S think about snow/cold? Are you planning to move, if she can't acclimate? J has never seen snow, so we'll make a run to someplace and go sledding, etc to send some photos back to the family. If she doesn't acclimate, we'll probably move, but I don't think it's unfair to say, try it for a year, then decide. Needless to say, she is reasonable. Title: Brrr.... Post by: Hoda on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to LOL yeah., posted by HappyIdiot on Nov 29, 2001
Her first winter will kick her azz in a big way. She's trying to get herself mentally ready for it. She's been in contact with other ladies from Cali (whoops, I said the "C" word...Kenfer gonna be pissed...lol) who had to make the same adjustment. It won't be easy for her, but you know I'm gonna do my part to keep her warm...lol! Peace...Hoda Title: Re: Re: Afghan shot in Cali Post by: Pete E on November 28, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Afghan shot in Cali, posted by JunFan on Nov 28, 2001
Mike, Lets see,bullets made in Colombia?Head protector under his turban?Hollow between the ears?(Bin Laden Family tree)Ricoshayed off the grease? Seriously it does happen.A bullet that hits any part of the brain will cause damage,not always fatal.Remember Jim Brady,Reagans aide who got shot in the head by a bullet meant for Reagan?He has severe brain damage but is still alive.They wheel him out every time there is a gun control bill up.Hopefully this guy will not only live but not be a vegetable. I think Colombian medicine is a 2 sided thing.On the one hand they have some world class doctors,but the care most people get and the condition of the hospitals is substandard I am told. Also,I am told a hit cost about $200 in Colombia,so don't p--s anyone off. Oh,and I agree,lets lighten up. Pete Title: Re: Re: Re: Afghan shot in Cali Post by: JunFan on November 28, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Afghan shot in Cali, posted by Pete E on Nov 28, 2001
'Also,I am told a hit cost about $200 in Colombia,so don't p--s anyone off.' uhhhhh, gulpppp, {{pisses in pants}} Where did that come from Pete? Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Afghan shot in Cali Post by: Pete E on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re: Afghan shot in Cali, posted by JunFan on Nov 28, 2001
Mike, It came from a friend who knows somebody with some intimate knowledge.I immagine the price would vary,depending on the risk to the hit man.Then there might be discounts to friends,maybe a six pack if he is your Buddy. Pete Title: Re: Re: Afghan shot in Cali Post by: acatman on November 28, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Afghan shot in Cali, posted by JunFan on Nov 28, 2001
Dear Mike, do you think this is funny???? I see you use JAJAJA this is the Spanish form of HAHAHA. I used to respect your post. Some one get shot in Colombia and you think this is fun???? You are very sick!!!!!!! I have been married to a Colombia for some time now and i just watch the post to see what is being said, i don't post her much because i have very little to say, but your post made me mad,,,,,,,,how in the f*** can you make a f*** joke about this. You are very new and very stupid about Colombia. Some one shot your mother, brother or a love one,,,,,,,i would say HAHAHAHAHA, they don't know about s*** about the USA. Title: Pipe down over there Post by: JunFan on November 28, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Afghan shot in Cali, posted by acatman on Nov 28, 2001
Pipe down over there! No I don't think it's particularly funny. Still don't know how a guy lives after being shot twice in the head. Still wouldn't want that to happen to me and have to deal with Colombian healthcare...dig? "You are very new and very stupid about Colombia" Mike Title: Re: Colombian Healthcare system Post by: Sol on November 28, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Pipe down over there, posted by JunFan on Nov 28, 2001
Mike, What bad experience have you had or heard about regarding health care in Colombia? I've not had any direct experience but I know my fiance gets homeopathic and naturopathic treatments that are covered by the very inexpensive health insurance she has. Here in the US I have to pay 100% for any health practitioner that isn't a licensed MD. I'm not at all a fan of western medicine for anything but handling of acute crises (e.g. heart attacks, broken limbs.) Also, I don't have any evidence that Colombian hospitals handle gunshot wounds any worse than US hospitals do. Do you? I'd not hold the US as an example of great health care. Sol Title: Re: Health Care Post by: Kenfer8 on November 28, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Colombian Healthcare system, posted by Sol on Nov 28, 2001
In case of a serious illness you may want to get treated in Colombia. There are excellent doctors experienced treating people who are already sick. Preventative medicine in Colombia is not as widespread as in the U.S. Doctors in the U.S. have more experience in preventative medicine. In case of a serious accident, when time is of the essence, you have a better chance of survival in the U.S. Everything from the ambulances, paramedics and trauma centers in the hospitals is much better than in Colombia. Title: OK Guys You Got Me This Time Post by: JunFan on November 28, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Colombian Healthcare system, posted by Sol on Nov 28, 2001
you're right...Colombia's healthcare system is great...I'm sorry...sniffle sniffle...but if it's all the same, I'll have them fly me to Miami if it's at all possible....jajaja Sol, Mike Title: Re: Pipe down over there Post by: Cali vet on November 28, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Pipe down over there, posted by JunFan on Nov 28, 2001
Junfan Tell us please what information you have that leads you to make disparaging remarks about medical care in Cali. An American friend of mine living there broke both bones in his in his forearm in a fall recently and told me he received excellent medical attention. I also sat next to an American on the plane on my last visit who was on his way down to Cali to get a bunch of dental work done. It was his second trip for this purpose as he was thoroughly pleased with the results of the first one. If you have a first or second hand account of a medical experiences in Cali please share it with us. Title: Re: Re: Pipe down over there Post by: pack on November 28, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Pipe down over there, posted by Cali vet on Nov 28, 2001
the medical and dental services in cali are excellentand cheap to! Title: So You're Piling On Huh? Post by: JunFan on November 28, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Pipe down over there, posted by Cali vet on Nov 28, 2001
Uhhhh, you really got me there CaliVet...let me see. First of all, I'm not making some huge insult to Colombian healthcare...the facts are, it's much lower quality than here. That's pretty much it. I have never been in a hospital in Colombia, nor do I ever care to go. And I've never been to Cali. Sure, my wife has told me that the public hospitals are terrible, so you have to pay for the private ones, and blah blah blah. oh, by the way, there's just a little bit of difference between a broken arm and a double-head wound, don't you think? And you can go ahead and do your dental work down there, I'll take care of mine up here, thank you. CaliVet, have you ever heard of anyone surviving two bullet wounds to the melon before?? Pretty amazing huh? Lighten up guys, Title: Re: So You're Piling On Huh? Post by: Wasp on November 28, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to So You're Piling On Huh?, posted by JunFan on Nov 28, 2001
Junfan, Looks like your the latest target for the pc police. What are you going to tell us next? You smoke tobacco and go hunting? Title: Re: Post by: Cali vet on November 28, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to So You're Piling On Huh?, posted by JunFan on Nov 28, 2001
Instead of an empty headed, unsubstanciated "the facts are, it's much lower quality than here" I asked you for a first or second hand example. You've offered some decent information in the past but on this subject you're just being a blowhard. Title: Re: Re: Post by: JunFan on November 28, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re:, posted by Cali vet on Nov 28, 2001
Your turn then...why don't you puke up some facts for us about how Colombian healthcare is better than ours is? By the way, you sure have been to Colombia a helluva lot. Having any luck finding a wife yet? Isn't that why you go to Colombia? There's only a couple of hundred thousand of them down there for you...wouldn't think it would be all that hard for a resourceful guy like you. Mike Title: Re: Re: Re: Post by: Cali vet on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re:, posted by JunFan on Nov 28, 2001
Blowhard The facts don't make me puke you do. Yeah Colombia's great isn't it. Only a couple of hundred thousand you say? Well einy miny miney moe and you, blowhard will never know. Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Post by: JunFanTX on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: Re:, posted by Cali vet on Nov 29, 2001
Well, maybe you'll find one before your 60th birthday...gotta find a woman to spend those golden years with. We're all pulling for you! Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Post by: Cali vet on November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM Title: Re: Afghan shot in Cali Post by: El Diablo on November 28, 2001, 05:00:00 AM ... in response to Afghan shot in Cali, posted by Kenfer8 on Nov 28, 2001
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