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Someone is posting on the Latin woman list that the agency scene in Cali right now is very bad because nice girls don't join the agencies.
He is saying because one of the ex owners seemed to have branched off into running a call girl operation that nice girls now won't join the agencies and only players and users are left.This seems like a huge exageration to me.
Any comments from recent experience?Did it really change that much?

Pete

... in response to State of Cali Agencies, posted by Pete E on Oct 27, 2001

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I have been following the LWL and Mr Flecksteins path to "cali agencies are full of whores". This guy is another Hot mail goof. He dosn't say his history or experience. Today he made the comparison between the agencies and prison " crime schools" He is for hanging around universities and malls or going to Barrinquilla agencies. He is constantly insinuating that several agencies are involved in prostitution although he dosn't say which ones.
I think he has been around before under a different handle and may be involved in another agency. He seems to be hinting at the Big Dog tour which never happened. That list is really getting weird. At least here if you lie , you pay for it. There they just believe it. Saint Larry is there with advice 24/7 and it is unbiased of course.
I was there last month and it has not changed, just less men in town. Was there for three weeks and had contact with Norm, Keith and Bobby, Luz Amparo and Adriana Hochberg ( Buds Wife) Business is bad and got worse after the bombing but the women are still there and just a nice as always. My Colombian friends say that business is improving and things are looking better. JIM C

... in response to Re: State of Cali - Another GOOF, posted by jim c on Oct 29, 2001

Jim, I'm quite interested to hear what you've got to say about the above-mentioned thread, but why don't you bring up your objections on LWL? Why didn't you weigh in on that discussion? Unless you go by a completely different handle there, the pattern I seem to see is you lurk there, and then come here to potty-mouth LWL and its members.

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... in response to Re: Re: State of Cali - Another GOOF, posted by Bueller on Oct 29, 2001

I post under the same name there as I do here. By the way I am a member of LWL and have posted since December last year
I just feel now there are more anonamouse idiots there and don't usually bother with them. But when I read the trash posts which pop up in my E mail, accusing people I know personally, of being pimps and drug dealers. I don't want to bother with the clowns who, while knowing nothing, say yea thats horrible. Like Carlos the agency owner who says Norm is involved in Prostitution and then Larry G says Carlos is a reputable guy. Meanwhile Carlos lists the web site to his agency and tries to attract customers by saying Hey guys I don't allow hookers like those americans at MS Gringuitos do. DEA finally got them thats why they are going out of business . Its also why most of us don't bother with LWL too much anymore. The people who post there are not really credible any more and I delete most of their posts But thats just my opinion and if you want to spend the time you can copy my posts and put them any where you want. By the way Ferris have you ever been to Colombia or to an agency and do you really live in Spain. Or are you just another figment.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: State of Cali - Another GOOF, posted by jim c on Oct 29, 2001

It would be nice of you to share what you know over there, if nothing else for the sake of newbies. I know there has been a lot of trolling there, with Ed Beckwith and Biave among others posting stupid crap under assumed names. I'm not interested in copying and pasting your posts for you, but if you know better about Cali, etc. why not stand up and be heard like you do here. Silence is easily construed as consent or agreement in these forums.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: State of Cali - Another ..., posted by Bueller on Oct 29, 2001

Thanks for the offer ferris. I am too grumpy to waste my time. I would get too rude in that enviorment. I do not wish to be a crusader leave that to Larry G. I talk on this forum because I enjoy the repartee. By the way, if you live in spain, how do you know so much about the players in five months. JIM C

PS to give you a rude example, Copy and Pasting to LWL was not what I had in mind for you to do. Oh just got a post from Felckenstein he is congratulating the mystical Carlos for his honest post about the dirty americans. If you like it there more power to you.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: State of Cali - Anot..., posted by jim c on Oct 29, 2001

Jim, in your first post above you said:
"That list is really getting weird. At least here if you lie , you pay for it. There they just believe it."

Fleckenstein just posted his stuff again. If you know Cali but don't say anything, you're part of the problem.

Also, what do you mean by "By the way, if you live in spain, how do you know so much about the players in five months."? I' don't understand the 'five months' part.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: State of Cali - ..., posted by Bueller on Oct 30, 2001

Ah. Just checked my profile and it was created five months ago, got it. I've been hanging around PL a couple of years maybe, and have been in Spain for over a year. Been to Venezuela and Mexico, been to FSU a few times where I was "played", might go live in Colombia next year.

... in response to Re: State of Cali - Another GOOF, posted by jim c on Oct 29, 2001

For shining the light the light on the LWL troll. Gotta give Patrick a "BIG UP" for the way he treats posters who talk trash without backing it up with facts. BTW, are you still going to set up those english classes in Cali?

Peace...Hoda

p.s. Not all hotmail users are GOOFS....LOL!

... in response to State of Cali Agencies, posted by Pete E on Oct 27, 2001

Hi all,
Do you know that about 12% of the Americans polled believe that Elvis Presley is alive?
What that represents to me is what I call the crazy factor.
As regards any issue 10% of people will be off on the fringe at any given time regarding an given subject.
I have been to Cali twice this year. I dealt with Luz Amparo's Latin Best and had a couple of good long conversations with Robert V. owner of LWC. I like him and his agency. There have also been numerous good reports from Ricardo's and Norm's Mis Gringuitos. Some of the other agencies have had favorable reports as well. Since I would generally discount 10% of all reports as being either exceedingly pro or con, therefore representing the fringe, that leaves 90% of reports somewhere around the truth. If 1/3 to 1/2 of those remaining reports were negative then I would suspect the agency involved. I haven't seen anything like that about any agency. Maybe agencies aren't for you. That's ok as there are other possibilities. And there certainly are horror stories. IMO the root of horror stories is the baggage people bring with them. Whatever your attitude and beliefs you will bring them with you and interject them into any relationship you have with any person. In our society it is very normal to deny our "stuff". It is much easier to blame "that agency" or "those flaky women" than it is to 'fess up to our own stuff and own it.
I believed the "good stuff" I read and took note of the cautions warned about. I took a good and realistic attutude with me to Cali and found not only a great lady to start a relationship with but I also met many other attractive, sincere and decent women.
As the old saying goes "You get what you pay for", just be aware the exchange often isn't in the coin of the realm.
Fred

... in response to Re: State of Cali Agencies, posted by FenixRises on Oct 29, 2001

Fred wrote:

"IMO the root of horror stories is the baggage people bring with them. It is much easier to blame "that agency" or "those flaky women" than it is to 'fess up to our own stuff and own it."

Dayyum....wish I said that!!!!

Way to go bro......Hoda

... in response to You tell'em Fred!!!!!!!, posted by Hoda on Oct 29, 2001

You know, I have seen that time and again here. You get a guy who comes down here and interviews 10 women, goes out on a date or two, and the woman doesn't call him or doesn't want to go out with him again, etc and it's the Agency's fault, or the owner's fault, or the woman's fault. I truly don't understand that. I mean come on, the problem may lie with themselves and not everyone else.
Like the old saying goes,"If it walks like a duck, if it swims like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, it's proabably a duck."
C-YA
Keith

... in response to State of Cali Agencies, posted by Pete E on Oct 27, 2001

I was thinking about going to Cali soon. Would you guys recommend any agencies? Presently, I'm part of Latin American Introductions in Bogota, and with my membership I'm entitled to use the sister company in Cali called Latin Best. I was also thinking about visiting other agencies as well, or other special places in Cali to meet women that you veterans know about.

If you don't mind, what agencies would you guys recommend?:

Latin Best
Latin Connections
Latin Encounters
Latin Internet
Latin Love
Latin Women Connections
Latin Love Mates
Mis Gringuitos

Thanks,

Just Curious

... in response to Re: Re: State of Cali Agencies - Best Ag..., posted by pack on Oct 28, 2001

Pack,

These were the agencies listed in the Two Gringos Guide, so I haven't done much else but look at the web sites of a few so far. Your suggestions on the agencies still in business would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Just Curious

... in response to Re: Re: Re: State of Cali Agencies - Bes..., posted by Just Curious on Oct 28, 2001

wow ...agencies still in business? thats a tough one. the agency industry in cali and colombia has a whole are going through some big changes right now, some are merging, some are closing there doors all together and this happens almost on a weekly basis. i wouldnt be so bold as to recomend A agency to join?visit at this time i think its gonna take awhile longer for this to settle down. there are a few agencies that seem to be a little more solid than the others...but who knows at this point. i suggest anyone going to cali and uncertain about the agency scene just go and visit them all and make your decision. i personaly have my favorites and they are All Colombian Girls, Aspiring Models, Latin Encounters. good luck in your search.

... in response to Re: State of Cali Agencies - Best Agenci..., posted by Just Curious on Oct 28, 2001

Aren't you the guy who posted that he had a serious gal in Bogota but wasn't sure where it was headed? I don't understand the desire to venture off to Cali. Let's say you do go to Cali and find a gal you would like to know more, now you have one gal in Bogota and one gal in Cali. What's next a trip to Cartagena!! (-: You may end up with a serious potential gal in every city and what a logistical mess that would be. I think it makes a lot more sense to concentrate in one city. If a person is traveling all over Colombia it doesn't allow sufficient time to do what is most important and that is get to the know a person.

El Diablo

... in response to Re: Re: State of Cali Agencies - Best Ag..., posted by El Diablo on Oct 28, 2001

I guess I should have posted that it doesn't look good right now. She's been difficult to get on the phone and seems like she's avoiding me. I know she's busy working 10+ hour days and dealing with family problems, but one night I called and the person hung up on me 3 times without saying anything. Although it was late, her father told me to call at that time, so I'm assuming it was her. I shouldn't have to be hit over the head with a bat to determine what that means. However, she says to my agency contact that she's still working on the Visa... I almost run out of hope with this girl, and that only makes sense.

Anyhow, things don't look good so I'm just keeping my eyes open since I've been to Bogota already twice and have seen most of the girls at the one agency. I'll call this girl in the next couple of weeks one last time to see what happens, but I'm thinking she's just moved on. Once I know for sure, I'll consider going to the Cali branch of the same agency for a different perspective. I'm definitely not a player trying to get a girl in every city. I'm serious about this Bogota girl, but not willing to wait around forever if she's had a change of heart.

Some advice would be helpful since there seems to be several options as listed in the Two Gringos Guide. Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Just Curious

... in response to Re: Re: Re: State of Cali Agencies - Bes..., posted by Just Curious on Oct 28, 2001

The Bogota situation sounds bad, you're right. If you're planning a Visa with her and she's not very attentive to you this is a major bad sign. A gal who's planning a VISA visit should be crazy about you not indifferent. We all work long hours and yet most of us find ways to show that we care about someone, telephone calls, email, cards etc.. I'd suggest moving on and finding someone who will be attentive not indifferent.

... in response to State of Cali Agencies, posted by Pete E on Oct 27, 2001

Pete,

Business is bad right now. Which is great thing, if guys would get of their duffs and go. There are still many nice women at the agencies, that are still many nice women you can write to first & then visit. There are still many nice ladies who haven't signed up with agenices, that a guy can meet via club, mall, etc etc. Pete, that poster from LWL was trying to imply that the remaining agencies were turning into some sort of whore palaces & that the women who are currently joining have less than stellar reputations. That's a bunch of B.S. Fellas whether you do the agency thing, or write first or freelance...NOW IS THE TIME TO GO! Whether it's Cali, Bogota, Cartegena, wherever....GO!!!!!

Peace in the middle east & everywhere else...Hoda

... in response to State of Cali Agencies, posted by Pete E on Oct 27, 2001

Pete,

I've been in Cali for a couple weeks and I'm running into gringos at all the regular hangouts. I don't pay much attention to the agency scene anymore but I doubt people's perceptions in Cali have changed that much. To be truthful, I'm not sure if the perception was very good to begin with. What drives the industry in my opinion, is gringos willing to travel. The continuing problems in Colombia and the events of September in the U.S. are probably more responsible than anything.

El Diablo

... in response to Re: State of Cali Agencies, posted by El Diablo on Oct 27, 2001

Fellas,

I bumped into a few ladies who used to work at "The Palace" & "Latin Internet". Business was a little slow before the attack. Now the flying fears, have cut down travel even more. I didn't spend any time at the local gringo spots. I can get that flavor here. The ladies mentioned that, some of the gringos who frequent Cali are veterans who by-pass the agencies all together. Keep in mind that, these men know more about the in's & out's of Cali, than those men using agencies. Some are serious about finding love, some are strollers. I ain't judging, that's there business. Because of certain cultural norms that I have witnessed in my trips to Cali. It is not difficult at all meeting "FINE" women. And of course with certain...(BIG) ahem....norms. Being a "Married" man in Cali can be adventurous & dangerous!

Peace in the middle east & everywhere else...Hoda

... in response to Business is sloooow....., posted by Hoda on Oct 27, 2001

Didn't quite follow the middle sentence here, Hoda. By 'norms', do you mean standards?:

"It is not difficult at all meeting "FINE" women. And of course with certain...(BIG) ahem....norms. Being a "Married" man in Cali can be adventurous & dangerous!"

... in response to 10-9?, posted by Bueller on Oct 28, 2001

Bueller,

By "norms", I mean certain socially accepted practices and/or standards that are accepted by some men and women in Cali. There are men in Cali who have relationships outside of their marriage. Because of the beauty, the number & the approachability (?) of some women. It is quite easy, no check that, it is too easy/tempting for a married guy to have an affair on the side. Bueller, I understand the "how" of why some men in Cali have affairs, I don't accept the "why" they have affairs. If a guy is still going to be a player after getting married. Why get married in the first place?`

Hope this helps....Peace

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