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Do some research, don't get sold on the first site with pretty faces. Several guys have recommended travelling to Cali,checking the agencies out and negotiating a daily rate, etc. Business down there is tough right now, several agencies in Cali have closed this year or reorganized, so put those negotiating skills to work.  

Good luck.

Aspiring-Latin-Models' claim that the women are not models is untrue. This particular girl is in fact a model, and she looks pretty good without a bathing suit. I'm not saying that it's a scam, but the site's owners are either misleading potential clients or they are unaware of the types of girls they are attracting and thus passing off as quality wife material.

That being the case, I think I'd look elsewhere. Get some recommendations from the guys here who have successfully used other agency websites.

But the point of my last post is this - Aspiring Latin Models claims that their women DO subscribe to those values, and further they state that the girls on their site are NOT models, but that they use that term because it evokes the idea of beauty. This is simply not the case. At least one (probably more) of these girls is a model. I've seen her naked already, which I'm sure her mother would not like to know when I meet the family for the first time.

This is either a case of misrepresentation to potential clients like Joey, or the owner(s) of that agency are too dimwitted to realize that the girls with whom they are associated have misrepresented themselves. Either way, is this the kind of agency you'd want to spend your hard-earned cash with when there are so many other agencies with good track records?

If they are in fact misrepresenting their member girls to potential clients, then it's a sure bet that the ones Joey would like to meet will all be out of town, visiting sick grandmothers, be recently engaged or just not at home each time they are called on his behalf. "But stay one more day, señor, and perhaps you'll have better luck tomorrow. May I add that extra day to your bill?"

I just don't buy it - this is a red flag. My policy is to strengthen all my advantages and weed out the liabilities. If they can't tell the truth before Joey goes to Cali, then this is a liability and should be avoided.

1. The girls subscribe to "traditional" values.

Probably many, even most of them do. However, some of them appear naked on porn sites. It's the responsibility of the site owners to do some investigating and drop these girls or quit making the claim that the girls subscribe to traditional values. It can't be both ways.

2. The girls are not models.

Well, some are. And dating and/or marrying a model is probably a good thing (I dated a model, and it was fun). But this is misleading to the client. There is no need to state that the girls are not models - who cares? But don't make a point to claim that the girls aren't models when in fact they are!

So what's the big deal, you might ask? Simply put, Joey and men like him (meaning men like us) deserve to know what they're getting into before they plunk down a wad of cash for an airline ticket and make a trip south. This is not a cheap trip. Add to that the investment of your hopes and dreams of finding someone special, why would anyone want to deal with someone who is telling outright lies? Doesn't make sense.

Business practices like this are prosecuted in the courts in our country. Granted, ALM's lies may be small ones, but why should they be rewarded for telling them? I am merely answering Joey's post by saying that he is considering spending money with someone who does not deserve it. Better he should spend it with agencies that have proven themselves and treated members of this forum fairly and with integrity.

And yes, you're right. Many of the girls "make the rounds" of the various agencies. Why shouldn't they? More exposure increases their chances of meeting some nice guy and starting the life they want.

And it's reasonable to expect that the occasional scam artist or prostitute flies in under the radar from time to time. When that happens, those of us who have knowledge of that should warn the others who read these posts. This is my warning - it appears to me that ALM is either scamming potential clients or are themselves being scammed. If this is not the case, they need to get a little more business savvy and straighten out their marketing approach before they can expect to make any money, because other agencies with more smarts, more experience and more integrity will put them out of business.

"Several of them [the ladies] have been previously employed in the Television and/or Fashion industry. These women are no longer involved in those businesses..."

So, it sounds like some are former models.  Perhaps you've seen some of their previous work?  I think you're grasping at straws on this.  Granted, the owner has a bad reputation for verbally abusing clients and the price is quite high, but saying they're "lying" when they say the women are not models sounds like nit-picking to me.

If I were looking, I'd stay away from this agency simply because I think very beautiful women tend to be very high maintainance.  I've dated some really attractive women before and I didn't see much in the way of character in many of them.

Let me summarize then I'll get off my pulpit. I may be naive, but I take people's word for things. If a businessman represents his product in a certain light, I take that for face value unless I have reason to believe otherwise. I conduct my business with integrity, and I expect others to do likewise.

It's not about the girls, it's about the business. I submit to you that at least 2 of the girls never once walked into ALM's office (or anyone else's). I know that their photos came from a stock house, a business which specializes in selling photos to commercial enterprises. In other words, some of those girls do not even exist, and Joey has no hope, ever, of meeting them. If he sends money for their addresses, I think he will have been taken for a ride. Personally, I think I'd like to be warned of a potential rip-off agency.

ALM is saying that these girls want to meet/date/marry nice men. Every other dating and marriage site makes the same claim. The point is, I tend to believe that the others are acting with integrity and ALM is not. I suggest that Joey patronize those agencies that have served the members of this forum well and leave ALM alone.

Don't leave me hanging on your Hal Wenz question.  It's been so long ago but the name really rings a bell.  Are we talking about the same Dutch guy? I'm curious, why the question...

El Diablo

It's the same guy, I remember he had said he lived in Chicago.  I was thinking he was Dutch though.  He was going to charge me $50 for the condo, when I mentioned my two amigos would be traveling with me he said it would be $150 for the three of us.  The whole episode with the Bogotana chica was bizarre to say the least and I believe Hal was somehow involved in it.  I'm really dating myself with all of this but my contact with him occured way back in 1995.

El Diablo