Title: QUESTIONS? Post by: pack on August 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM i have recieved several emails and one person on the board also mentioned it...why im not asking for responses or advice. ok i am now...please by all means if anyone has any questions for me or advice or just a comment please feel free to fire away. thanks ..pack
Title: Re: QUESTIONS? Post by: FenixRises on August 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to QUESTIONS?, posted by pack on Aug 21, 2001
Back in part 10 of your report Sol posted this reply. "Pack, I don't know if you've been told this but look real hard for your role in this dysfunctional relationship. I had a five year relationship with an American girl. When I got out of it I did soul searching, counseling and other things to get my stuff together. It helped a lot. When I started my search in Colombia I had enough self esteem and good enough radar that I was able to quickly screen out the ones that weren't mature enough, or didn't really love me, or weren't really available for getting married. The first lady I met, in Medellin, was very nice, very pretty, a great hostess but had some qualities I didn't want in a wife - she was moody, opinionated, and needed to always have the last word. I had picked my last girlfriend all over again but in a prettier Colombian body. Well, I figured that out quickly enough and moved on. The lady I'm about to propose to is sweet, home oriented, wants to be a wife, lover, mother, friend, she is pretty, but not a model, is crazy about me, comes from a good home, has never even hinted at my giving her money, is very patient, appreciative of what I bring to the relationship, passionate, romantic, a great dancer, has very compatible values, and is emotionally very STABLE. Plus, I'm very clear that I have a tremendous amount to offer to this sweet lady. It is my experience that we attract people into our lives who are at the same emotional level that we are. Until I *emotionally* cleaned up tons of baggage that I got from my mom and past relationships I kept looking for women who needed to do the same cleaning up that I needed to do. It wasn't their fault that they showed up in my life - I drew them to me! Had I not done my homework I would have kept finding the same kinds of crummy relationships in Colombia, with the added danger that these women might use me to come to the U.S. or to seduce me into giving them money. If you've read old posts of mine it might now make sense why I am partial to letter writing first. I want the comfort of developing a common base first so I'm not as easily seduced by these gorgeous women. So, I agree with everyone else who says that there are way too many attractive women who are sweet and good marriage material but until you can see past your patterns you'll never notice them. Something to think about! Sol" Although I might have rearranged the words a bit this is IMO the best advice to you that I have read. Title: Re: QUESTIONS? Post by: Jes on August 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to QUESTIONS?, posted by pack on Aug 21, 2001
Pack You need to move on and kiss this friend of yours good-bye-
Title: Re: Re: QUESTIONS? Post by: pack on August 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: QUESTIONS?, posted by Jes on Aug 21, 2001
thanks for your comments and advice. Title: Re: QUESTIONS? Post by: buzzy on August 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to QUESTIONS?, posted by pack on Aug 21, 2001
OK Pack you asked for it. It's hard to top what's already been said but I'm curious. In all due respect.... are you in love or merely infatuated with L? Does she encourage you to stick around? If she's the one...then have you asked for marriage? If she responded "No" or, "Maybe later," wouldn't that free you from pursuing her? Why did you give her top priority on your trip? Is she that special? If you could go back in time and redo the Cali trip what would you do differently? My last question, will you do things differently on the next Cali trip? If these questions are uncomfortable disregard. Thanks and good luck. Title: Re: Re: QUESTIONS? Post by: pack on August 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: QUESTIONS?, posted by buzzy on Aug 21, 2001
hmmmm ok. #1 i dont know. #2 in the past years yes she encouraged me to stay around. this trip no. #3 we have been talking marriage for years. i asked her twice she accepted twice. #4 i dont know. #5 stay out of that taxi cab. no really...i guess i would have talked it all out with L the very first meeting and come to a definite decision. i wasted a lot of valuble time and emotions. #6 absolutely!! Title: Re: Re: Re: QUESTIONS? Post by: buzzy on August 22, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: Re: QUESTIONS?, posted by pack on Aug 21, 2001
Thank you for your candid answers. No more questions...You may now step down from the witness stand. LOL. Title: Re: QUESTIONS? Post by: Craig on August 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to QUESTIONS?, posted by pack on Aug 21, 2001
Hi Pack it's easy for any of us to be arm chair quarterbacks, and give advise. I know that most of us have been blinded by love, or the promise of the same. So no lectures from me. I can only say that for me, the best cure for a lost love is a new one. I have met so many wonderful women in Cali, I'm sure you can, and will find the right one, as I did. Don't give up Pack. Next time try going with a group of friends 4 or 5 guys. Go to have fun, dance, food, wine, see the sites. No, expectation's Pack. Then watch, I bet you find what your looking for. Take care of yourself...Craig Title: Good advice Post by: Viajero on August 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: QUESTIONS?, posted by Craig on Aug 21, 2001
Craig, I think you've hit the nail on the head. I once went to Odessa with some similar advice in the back of my mind "Go to have a nice vacation with the possibility of meeting someone." I did, I met someone, and although it didn't blossom into anything I had a ball, mainly because I kept my expectations realistic. As for me, meeting my novia was unplanned. I was in South America on business, and when we met it was instant mutual attraction. Big surprise to both of us! Pack, my 2 cent's worth is to go and enjoy Colombia and you'll see just how surprising your future will be if you're open to the possibilities. Title: Re: Good advice Post by: pack on August 22, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Good advice, posted by Viajero on Aug 21, 2001
i think you are right. if the doctors give the go ahead i plan to return in november. i have two friends that want to go with me and i have recieved several emails of people i dont even know that want to go down the same time as i do. we may just end up with a party in cali come november. Title: Re: Re: QUESTIONS? Post by: pack on August 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: QUESTIONS?, posted by Craig on Aug 21, 2001
good advice! i think you have something there.i wanted to go with friends i couldnt find anyone that wanted to go with me at the time. i am happy i met cali-vet, ken , mr x and others to hang out with for part of the time there, those guys are a blast. Title: good advice Craig and my two cents Post by: ecos on August 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: QUESTIONS?, posted by Craig on Aug 21, 2001
It seems to me you are trying too hard maybe. I read a few days ago a guy went to Panama and found a girl but was real agressive and the trip ended on a sour note. what Craig said about enjoying yourself was great. visit some of the country. 17 days is a pretty good time to do a couple of things besides go from agency to agency. seems you may have let events control the trip rather than you controlling the trip. on a related note, it also seems your main romantic interest was the one controlling the situation. you should be in charge. I think women respect this more. also, it probably would be a good idea to set up a few contacts prior to the trip not just one. most importantly, I hope your health situation improves. I will probably making a trip in November, but I plan on going to Cartagena, Cali, and Bogota. If something happens while I'm there fine, but if not I'll be enjoying some of the attractions the country has to offer. No great expectations. Title: Re: good advice Craig and my two cents Post by: pack on August 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to good advice Craig and my two cents, posted by ecos on Aug 21, 2001
more good advice , thanks. yea i landed in cali unsure of myself and my feelings and before i knew it i was running in circles getting nothing achieved. i had some good times this trip and met alot of nice folks but i still concider it as a failed trip. Title: Re: QUESTIONS? Post by: markxport on August 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to QUESTIONS?, posted by pack on Aug 21, 2001
Hi Pack! Thank you for your posts. I found them to be fascinating and educational. Hope your feeling better! As for the ladies, whether it's L or someone else, just remember that your the one that will have to wake up next to her every morning, not anyone else on this board. Good luck and I sincerely hope you find what your looking for. Thanks, Mark Title: Re: Re: QUESTIONS? Post by: pack on August 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: QUESTIONS?, posted by markxport on Aug 21, 2001
thanks mark,i hope maybe my experiences can help others in some way. you are right when all is said and done i will be the one who will have to make the final decision. Title: Oh, one more thing... Post by: HappyIdiot on August 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to QUESTIONS?, posted by pack on Aug 21, 2001
On your profile it lists you as 22. Is that right or is it a misprint? Title: Re: Oh, one more thing... Post by: pack on August 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Oh, one more thing..., posted by HappyIdiot on Aug 21, 2001
must be a misprint, im 53, i look about 37, right now i feel 73. Title: Some comments Post by: HappyIdiot on August 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to QUESTIONS?, posted by pack on Aug 21, 2001
Hi pack, It sounds like you've got a lot on your mind since your return. My first comment is off topic, so I will keep it short. A couple years ago I was diagnosed with a heart problem. At the time it was very scarey and combined with a questionable cardiogist, I was very concerned, to say the least. My best wishes to you on this heath issue and I would really urge you to get a doctor that you can talk with and have explain issues and options. This is not the kind of thing where you want to have a doctor that seems "too busy" to answer all of your questions to your satisfaction. One of the things that I have wondered since you told your story is if "L" has some reason to be on again and off again with you. You seem to have known her for a significant period of time, and yet you did not go down there to see her, and yet you did many of the things that a person would do if you were committed to her. To compound things, it sounds like she may be having trouble with her finances for whatever reason. It seems like there is some implication that she may be seeing other people, which doesn't seem like such a crime since you two broke up months ago and also you went down there for the express purpose of seeing others. She may or may not be a good person, and I'd suggest you try to collect your thoughts and decide a few things. Here's the stuff I'd ask myself. Is this person a friend? Has enough damage been done that our relationship is not repairable? Can we both forgive the past and let it go? If you have doubts about any of these (I think) you should really talk with her to clear them up. If you can't talk with her, I'd really take a hard look at how you can have any sort of sustainable relationship with her. Also, this doesn't sound like you, but check with yourself and make sure your motives for keeping going with "L" are not to keep her from moving on. I can understand it hurts to let go, and it also hurts to see someone move on. This might be a way you can help her future if you don't think you two will have something that can last. As far as "A" is concerned, you'll have time to correspond with her, and get to know her. Hopefully the agency that you stayed at will keep an eye open for you for other good matches. If it is realistic, maybe you can send him a small gift while you are still fresh in his mind to grease the wheels on this. Take care, and I wish you success. I hope things don't seem too overwhelming to you. Title: Re: Some comments Post by: pack on August 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Some comments, posted by HappyIdiot on Aug 21, 2001
three doctors have looked at me so far and from them i have recieved all kinds of maybes. my regular doctor called me just today he has scheduled me to chek in at a heart center and to be seen by a specialist. you have alot of good questions and im not sure if i can answer them right now. i find myself questioning why i even went down there at this particular time.i have alot to think about and some decisions to make. Title: Good luck with the Doc's, a lot of the stress is just from not knowing. n/t Post by: HappyIdiot on August 22, 2001, 04:00:00 AM Title: Re: Good luck with the Doc's, a lot of the stress is just from not knowing. n/t Post by: pack on August 22, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Good luck with the Doc's, a lot of the s..., posted by HappyIdiot on Aug 22, 2001
thanks happy, you are right i think about it all the time. Title: Re: QUESTIONS? Post by: cdrab on August 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to QUESTIONS?, posted by pack on Aug 21, 2001
Pack I enjoyed the story very much.It isn't very often that someone will share there storys on such a personal level, Thanks. I think we learn from our mistakes and all you have to do is reread your posts from a critical perspective and you can see where the problems are. I hope this hasn't discouraged you in your hunt for the right one. I just can't believe that L could use you like that.It's amazing what a beautiful Latina can do to you. Wish you the best in the future. Clint Title: Re: Re: QUESTIONS? Post by: pack on August 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM Title: The next time.... Post by: El Diablo on August 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to QUESTIONS?, posted by pack on Aug 21, 2001
Hey Pack here are some things you might consider the next time you go to Cali: 1. Stay at one agency like Ricardo's or consider renting an apartment. All that switching from agency to agency would have caused me some major anxiety and frustration. I like having my own place to come home to and escape the agency craziness. Also I feel much more comfortable having friends come by at my own place. If you get an apartment you can probably work some kind of short term deal with the agency owner also. 2. I think you said you were in your 50's. Leave the 20 year old crowd of women behind and stick to the 30's. Pete's an example of someone in his 50's and his wife is 35 I believe. It seems to be working really well for both of them. 3. Don't waste a lot of time on women who can't seem to find the time to see you. If she's interested, she'll find the time in her shedule. 4. Pay close attention to a woman's character. Does she do what she says and do her morals match your own. Is her family honorable or are they riddled with problems. 5. Avoid L and her family, friends, or whatever at all costs. Do not write her, call her, or even mention her name. (-: I know you like her child but sometimes you have to just move on if only to save yourself. I can see you stopping off at her place to give her child a gift and then getting sucked into her lure all over again. 6. As you did this last time, hook up with some other gringos of like mind while you are down there. For me, half the fun of Cali is getting together with the gringos down in Cali. A couple of non-romantic Calena friends is great too. Anyway, these are a few thoughts that a had. El Diablo Title: Re: The next time.... Post by: A1A on August 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to The next time...., posted by El Diablo on Aug 21, 2001
Pack, I agree with El Diablo on the age issue. You never mentioned why ya'll broke up earlier, was age an issue? I just got back a week ago from Cancun where I had met an attractive 32 yr old single mom. I had hoped to move things along from friendship to a romance. She declined, when I asked why, age was number one (I'm 47), and she had no desire to move to the USA, for all I know, I wasn't her type either. Evidently, I misread friendliness as interest, but I had to go for it. I believe that you are seriously misreading "L" also. Time for both of us to move on. Maybe I'll see you in Cali this fall. Take care of your health first. A1A Title: Re: Re: The next time.... Post by: pack on August 22, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: The next time...., posted by A1A on Aug 21, 2001
i really dont think age was afactor. we have been seeing each other for almost four years and it was never a issue.i think the problem is she wants to be married NOW, ahe wants a home NOW, she wants out of colombia NOW, and she decided i was the one. i also thought she was the one for me. the reason it never materialized was because everytime we would get ready to move on a date and time a little sometimes big red flag would pop up and id get gun shy. this inturn would anger her and she'd call off our relationship. a few months would pass and we'd be back together again giving it another try...this went on and on for close to four years and before i knew it ...its happened again. Title: Re: The next time.... Post by: Bueller on August 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to The next time...., posted by El Diablo on Aug 21, 2001
El Diablo said: "3. Don't waste a lot of time on women who can't seem to find the time to see you. If she's interested, she'll find the time in her shedule." Title: Re: The next time.... Post by: pack on August 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to The next time...., posted by El Diablo on Aug 21, 2001
hmmmmm..good advice El Diablo..noted and recorded! thanks! Title: The next time.... Post by: El Diablo on August 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to Re: The next time...., posted by pack on Aug 21, 2001
Hey Pack, As a Cali regular for the past couple of years and currently not engaged, I'm not trying to set myself up as some glowing example of what to do. Far from it, I've messed up a bunch of times but unlike you, I kept my stories more private than public. (-: Most of what I learned in these adventures came from my mistakes and failures rather than anything I knew on my own. But having said that, every person will approach this adventure differently. There isn't one way or even two, there are many and it's a fool who thinks his way is the only way. Anyway I thought I may have come off as preachy in my last post and I just wanted to set the record straight. eL dIABLO Title: Re: The next time.... Post by: pack on August 22, 2001, 04:00:00 AM ... in response to The next time...., posted by El Diablo on Aug 21, 2001
preachy? no not at all...wasnt taken that way. no problema! |