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Title: Latin Love Mates????
Post by: Beto on August 09, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
Is there anyone that can give me some advice on this agency. I am considering going there in November if it is legitmate. Any advice you can give me will help alot. Thanks


Title: Re: Latin Love Mates???? Rip Off
Post by: PI on August 10, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to Latin Love Mates????, posted by Beto on Aug 9, 2001

Check the archives.  If you can't find that email me and I'll provide all the details you want from this rip off agency.
Wayne Brewer
New Mexico
505-275-7777


Title: Re: Latin Love Mates????
Post by: tommi on August 10, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to Latin Love Mates????, posted by Beto on Aug 9, 2001

Forget the agencies that require memberships. They are too risky and besides... there are plenty that will only charge you by the day.



Title: Re: Re: Latin Love Mates????
Post by: agency owner on August 11, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Latin Love Mates????, posted by tommi on Aug 10, 2001

Ya right. Forget the agencies that charge a membership or a fee! Everything should be free (I'm sure you work for free). Forget about help with Meeting the ladies, help with the visa, a safe place to stay, knowing the ladies and their families etc. Forget all that then then everyone can end up here whinning about everything. If your to cheap to pay for the help of an agency and all the hard work involved, then stay home, you would make a lousy husband anyway.

Sorry for the sarcasm Patrick, but I'm sure you know where I'm comming from.



Title: Re: Re: Re: Latin Love Mates????
Post by: tommi on August 13, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Latin Love Mates????, posted by agency owner on Aug 11, 2001

Given the instable atmosphere of membership agencies these days why should some poor gringo get jammed for a membership fee? For your information I was in Cali in June and stayed at a few agencies that did not charge membership fees. I'm not saying you're not entitled to be payed for "residual services" that you provide.If I can point someone in the right direction...and save him a few bucks, I'll do it. I don't give a s--- about your profit margin. If you're so concerned about your membership fees maybe you should consider alternative ways to charge your customers.


Title: Re: Latin Love Mates...looks like the owner is on the defensive!!
Post by: Chris F on August 11, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Latin Love Mates????, posted by agency owner on Aug 11, 2001

Everyone does deserve to make a profit...because after all the agencies are running a business.....however, why should someone pay hundreds of dollars up front for an agency such as Latin Love Mates ..when you can stay at many others like Norms or Latin Connecton..I know there others) for about $50 a day and get full use of the agency as well??  I have nothing against Latin Love Mates....and I am  sure they provide a great service.......just like many of the other agencies do.....for hundreds of dollars less!!!!!


Title: It's a business.
Post by: rafael on August 11, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Latin Love Mates...looks like the ow..., posted by Chris F on Aug 11, 2001

We all cheered on the "new breed" of agencies, that did away with membership fees etc. Bud and LatinLove fired the first shot. The problem is he wound up bailing because the revenue wasn't worth the work and hassle put into it.

It will take a while but the market will correct itself.



Title: Re: It's a business.
Post by: El Diablo on August 14, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to It's a business., posted by rafael on Aug 11, 2001

Hey Ralph,

The Latin Love of old and in its heyday was more than a matrimony agency it was an experience.  For $90 a day you could stay in a great place, meet Calenas, hang out at the pool, talk with all the other gringos and just enjoy yourself in a fun and relaxed atmosphere.  

I'll probably piss some people off but it was doomed to fail  not because of the breakin but because gringos are cheap bastards the second they get off their $750 flight from the States.  The nice furnished house, the pool, the AC in your room, the big staff, the parties, all these things cost real money.  You can run an agency on the cheap but it won't be special, it won't be an experience.  

In its heyday, I believe it would have taken at least $300 per day, day in and day out for Latin Love to have a modest profit.  While guys complain to no end about membership fees, they aren't very comfortable with $100 daily fees either.  People who are otherwise relaxed about their money become sudden bargain hunters the second they step off their plane.  We just had a trip report where the guy is complaining about an extra $6 he paid for a pivate pickup as opposed to the taxi ride he had last time.  I'm not trying to pick on this guy as he's really no different than anyone else.  

Anyway, I don't think another Latin Love like experience is possible from the agency scene in Cali today.  There are some decent places but it's just not the same in my opinion.  It takes money to offer the whole experience and we gringos aren't willing to pay.

El Diablo



Title: Re: Re: It's a business.
Post by: jim c on August 14, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: It's a business., posted by El Diablo on Aug 14, 2001

hey james

It seems like I am following you today. The Latin Love nut was about $5,000 a month, two rooms at $100.00 for the whole month would have done it There was room for profit but the confidence in the security was a major fear of the frightened who were new to Colombia. Some of the others on these boards just would not let the scandal die. Hey some of the newbys think they will get shot by farc in Unicentro.  There is no agency that provides the luxury and service that LL did when john and Bud were running it.

  There is no reason for the membership fees charged for the agencies that are now in existance. If you understand the costs. Most of these homes rent for less than $1000 per month some as little as $350.00. The bilingual employees work for about $200. to $250. a month. The maids for $100.00 to $150.00. I believe that a weekly rate is the fairest and this doesn't include room and board. It is the choice of the agency owners to discount the rate if you stay at the agency and others who wish to stay in better accomodations should not be penalized. The whole membership scam is to insure that you will not go elsewhere and if you find a novia they will have got the maximum money out of you. Hey Norman ran for three monthes for thirty five dollars a night including three meals. I am sure that many will disagree with me but the girls are free to them and you are paying big bucks to meet them. On the other hand there are some really cheap guys involved in this. jim c



Title: Re: Re: Re: It's a business.
Post by: El Diablo on August 16, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: It's a business., posted by jim c on Aug 14, 2001


Howdy Jim,

Being a good friend of Bud's, you probably have the inside scoop on costs at the Palace.  I do believe however that's Bud's operation was considerably more expensive than your typical agency.  Did you ever see Ruby's paycheck, you could pay for at least several Veronica's with it.  Also the utility bills could be outrageous, I thought my 300,000 peso electricity bill was bad until I heard one month what they paid, I think it was more than the rent, the phone bills were terrible too as the three lines were constantly in use.  In any event, if I'm in Cali for only a week or two, I'd much rather stay at the Palace, pay a little more, than stay at the present group of agencies.  There's just no comparison in my opinion.

But if I'm living in Cali as I do from time to time, the daily rate just doesn't work for me and I prefer a membership type fee structure.  Bud was kind enough to give me a membership fee type deal for when I lived in Cali last year.  I didn't have all that many appointments however it allowed me to contribute something reasonably fair and not take too much advantage of my friends like Veronica.

I guess the whole cheap gringo thing is one my pet peeves and so perhaps I'm making more of it than is reality.  I sure did run across it a lot though...  Take care.

El Diablo



Title: Re: Re: It's a business.
Post by: jim c on August 14, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: It's a business., posted by El Diablo on Aug 14, 2001

hey james

It seems like I am following you today. The Latin Love nut was about $5,000 a month, two rooms at $100.00 for the whole month would have done it There was room for profit but the confidence in the security was a major fear of the frightened who were new to Colombia. Some of the others on these boards just would not let the scandal die. Hey some of the newbys think they will get shot by farc in Unicentro.  There is no agency that provides the luxury and service that LL did when john and Bud were running it.

  There is no reason for the membership fees charged for the agencies that are now in existance. If you understand the costs. Most of these homes rent for less than $1000 per month some as little as $350.00. The bilingual employees work for about $200. to $250. a month. The maids for $100.00 to $150.00. I believe that a weekly rate is the fairest and this doesn't include room and board. It is the choice of the agency owners to discount the rate if you stay at the agency and others who wish to stay in better accomodations should not be penalized. The whole membership scam is to insure that you will not go elsewhere and if you find a novia they will have got the maximum money out of you. Hey Norman ran for three monthes for thirty five dollars a night including three meals. I am sure that many will disagree with me but the girls are free to them and you are paying big bucks to meet them. On the other hand there are some really cheap guys involved in this. jim c



Title: Re: Re: Latin Love Mates...looks like the owner is on the defensive!!
Post by: pack on August 11, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Latin Love Mates...looks like the ow..., posted by Chris F on Aug 11, 2001

chris there is no longer a latin conections. but you are right i just got back from cali last night  and there are plenty of agencies that dont charge membership fees or at least a small fee, no need to pay 700 , 800, or more to agencies for a membership, tell you more when jet lag wears off.


Title: Re: Re: Latin Love Mates????
Post by: Chris F on August 10, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Latin Love Mates????, posted by tommi on Aug 10, 2001

Tommi is right. It is much cheaper to pay by the day then pay a large upfront membership for several hundred dollars. Also remember that many of the woman are members of several agencies


Title: Re: Latin Love Mates????
Post by: adriana on August 10, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to Latin Love Mates????, posted by Beto on Aug 9, 2001

Hi Beto, I can not advertise on this board,  if you want please write me on e-mail at adrianacali@aol.com


Title: Re: Latin Love Mates????
Post by: DaveyRich1 on August 09, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to Latin Love Mates????, posted by Beto on Aug 9, 2001

THE HOUSE IS PRETTY NICE THE ROOMS HAVE AIR CONDITION THE GIRLS WHO WORK THERE WILL WORK HARD FOR YOU IT IS JUST A TIMING THING AS FAR AS THE GIRLS IN THE BOOKS I THINK THEIR WEBSITE HAS BY FAR THE BEST LOOKING GIRLS BUT WHEN I WAS THERE ALOT OF THEM WERE ALREADY WITH GRINGOS BUT I PAYED BY THE APPT. SO IT WORKED OUT GOOD 50.00 A DAY FOR THE ROOM AND USE OF THE AGENCY PLUS A COUPLE OF MEALS


Title: Re: Re: Latin Love Mates????
Post by: Thomas on August 10, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Latin Love Mates????, posted by DaveyRich1 on Aug 9, 2001

Hey Beto. You werent happy with Latin Encounters or you just didnt find what you were looking for? I was planning on going to Cali in Oct and Latin Encounters is number 1 on my short list. I am also in my (late) twenties. Ive also thought about the issue of wheter the ladies are already talking to gringos or not. Im sure the best looking ladies get the most inteveiws etc. Do you recommend Latin Encounters for someones first trip? Its hard for me to imagine that you didnt find what you were looking for after being there twice. My mindset is dont even worry about whats on the websites and just judge when you get there.Thanks in advance for your help brother.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Latin Love Mates????
Post by: Larry in Dallas on August 10, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Latin Love Mates????, posted by Thomas on Aug 10, 2001

Dear  sir:

  I also love Latin Encounters.  The agency has great looking women.  Sorry, but i took the best one and she is now my wife in Texas!!!!!!!!!

                                   Larry in Dallas



Title: Re: Re: Re: Latin Love Mates????
Post by: Beto on August 10, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Latin Love Mates????, posted by Thomas on Aug 10, 2001

Thomas,
I had a great time at Latin Encounters. I met two great women and I had the time of my life dancing and dining out on my dates with my dates but the girls I met we went out got all close and then they are slacking on their end of the relationship. She has not written in over a month and I call her about once or twice a week. Margareth is great and she in my close friend. I highly recommend her agency. For me I feel that the lady for me is not there because I went on many dates and the majority seemed to like me alot because they are still asking about me(not to sound cocky). I had a great advantage because I am only 26 and bilingual. It was easier for me to be more intimate with them. I feel that I am going to try Latin Love mates but I don't want to pay a membership but I still want to stay in the agency and make a few appointments.  I am still young but am getting ready to settle down but I don't want to rush into anything that is not right. If I were to meet someone this trip that blew me out of the water I would think about an engagement but would not get married for some time. I am still a little confused about my feelings but maybe this trip will help. Take care


Title: Young women
Post by: Patrick on August 10, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Re: Latin Love Mates????, posted by Beto on Aug 10, 2001

Just my opinion, but I think it's a bit harder for the young guys simply because they are dealing with younger women (at least, thats what I would hope). The younger ladies tend to be less serious about relationships, particularly long distance ones.  Going out with Americans while they're in town is fun for a lot of them, but actually settling down with one is another matter.  I think there's a fair number of younger ladies who join the agencies more out of a sense of adventure than to really find someone to marry.  When they just go in to meet some guy and are asked out for a date, many will accept, but when it comes down to continuing a long distance relationship, many don't make the effort.


Title: Young Mothers sometimes more mature
Post by: rafael on August 11, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to Young women, posted by Patrick on Aug 10, 2001

While I agree that many of the younger women are less mature and serious, I think you will find that single or divorced Moms tend to mature a little bit quicker. Having a Child
tends to do that to people.

I also think that once an agency "scene" gets more known, the news spreads pretty quickly amongst the less serious, "free night on a Gringo" girls. that doesn't mean that there are not a ton of great ladies available, I just think that the more prevalent the agencies become the ratio of serious, versus "party girls" or GCS goes down.



Title: to echo what Patrick said.....
Post by: Edge on August 10, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to Young women, posted by Patrick on Aug 10, 2001

I was just talking to my novia and she has a friend (amiga) who she is trying to set up because she has some other gringo friends.  My novia likes to play matchmaker here or there when she can.  One of the gringos is down in Cali now visiting her amiga.  Her amiga is 29 and my novia is coming to the conclusion that she is just not quite ready yet to get married.  She is still "adventurous" (the word my novia used) at 29 so you are probably going to run into this more with the younger women.  


Title: Re: Re: Latin Love Mates????
Post by: Beto on August 10, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Latin Love Mates????, posted by DaveyRich1 on Aug 9, 2001

How long ago was it when you were there and did you have to buy a membership which the guy in the Miami office told me was $550. Were you visiting other agencies while you were there or just Latin Love Mates. I am 26 years old and bilingual. I have been to Latin Encounters twice but did not find what I was looking for. The ladies on the website who are in my age group, there is no way of knowing if the girls on the website are already talking to a gringo. I want to call the agency in Cali to ask but I believe they will say oh no they all are not talking to anyone and then when I arrive they are not available. I do not want to pay $550 +50 a night if the ladies that interest me are already taken. Do you have any advice on how to go about this. There are about 5 in the 18-24 range most are 18.  I talked to the guy in the Miami office and he told me the last tour group six got engaged while down there in there first trip. Is this normal or do you find it strange?  Thanks again


Title: A bit unrealistic
Post by: Patrick on August 10, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Latin Love Mates????, posted by Beto on Aug 10, 2001

I don't think any agency can tell you if each of their female members is "talking to" someone.  Nobody could monitor the ladies' relationships that closely, nor would most of the ladies stand for that level of intrusion into their personal life.

I find the notion of guys getting engaged to someone they just met a bit disturbing, but maybe they were there on  repeat visits to the same woman.  Don't let fear of losing a lady because some other gringo may commit faster push you into making a very important decision too quickly or you could be making a mistake.



Title: Re: A bit unrealistic
Post by: Beto on August 10, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to A bit unrealistic, posted by Patrick on Aug 10, 2001

Patrick,

I agree with you it is just difficult at times always wondering what they are doing while you are not there with others. I don't want to make a mistake by doing something before I am ready. Do you think it would be alright if for example one were to meet someone on a trip and proposed to the young lady and did not get married right away but gave it some time? You are right about the young 18 and 19 year olds. I don't know how to handle this because how do I know if it is for real or she is just having a good time? Being 26 what do you recommend for my next trip in November to Latin Love Mates? Thanks for your advice.



Title: Re: Re: A bit unrealistic
Post by: Patrick on August 10, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: A bit unrealistic, posted by Beto on Aug 10, 2001

I really can't give you any advice for how to spot the more serious young ones.  You may have already hit upon it-  If they continue contact with you after you've left, then they're interested.  If not, then move on.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Latin Love Mates????
Post by: DaveyRich1 on August 10, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Latin Love Mates????, posted by Beto on Aug 10, 2001

BetoHello My advice would to make reservations the first night at the windsor plaza and go personally to the agencies
you can make a better deal in person with cash in hand their was no one staying there and i had a friend with me no $550 fee just 100 for 6appts. good luck


Title: Cap locks
Post by: rafael on August 10, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Latin Love Mates????, posted by DaveyRich1 on Aug 9, 2001

Just a FYI, besides making your posts very hard to read, typing in ALL caps is considered "yelling" on the internet.
Just a little , "nettiquette" info for you.


Title: Try this key.....
Post by: Michael B on August 10, 2001, 04:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Latin Love Mates????, posted by DaveyRich1 on Aug 9, 2001

It's on the extreme left of your keyboard, third one up from the bottom, it says "Caps Lock", press it (once only, please) and those ugly upper case letters will go away and your posts will be so much easier for all of us to read.

Thank you, come again.