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At the risk of sounding stupid, why is there no niche for AW?  AW have the same legitimate compliant as many SA, asian and FSU women.  There are no or few good men available.  The AW have been saying this for many years now.  Why are there no agencies for AW?  Just thought I would ask the question.

... in response to American Women M.O.B...  !!!, posted by yc on Jul 10, 2001

Many of the guys from countries I visit see AW's as a treat or prize. And the process is very expensive, would you spend $10,000 to marry an AW?

... in response to Monetary reasons, posted by KADAMS on Jul 11, 2001

10grand wouldn't even pay for dating an American Woman for a year these days

... in response to For starters? No, posted by JunFan68 on Jul 11, 2001

Ahmen brother...at least not any of the ones I dated or would have dated.

Actually by going to Colombia and finding wonderful wife I probably saved 30-50 grand just on 'stuff' one needs to impress to date AW. At least the types I dated or would date.

HD

... in response to American Women M.O.B...  !!!, posted by yc on Jul 10, 2001

I would think that internet dating services like you see on excite or yahoo or something like match.com are filling this role.  Also, I think there are non internet services like great expectations, but I've only gotten their junk mail and not investigated it.

... in response to American Women M.O.B...  !!!, posted by yc on Jul 10, 2001

The AW are a bunch of Queen of England types looking for the great big palaces and blue lakes in front and an ajax clean kind of guy who will not be humanlike but act like the Ken doll type of man.  A man used to be valued in this culture...now we are merely dead leaves blowing in the wind. The Queens should take off their crowns!

... in response to Re: American Women M.O.B...  !!!, posted by buzzy on Jul 10, 2001

My Thoughts Too!

The last 20 years has seen a tremendous change in the American culture, especially the AWs.  AWs have complained bitterly for ever about how awful men are. But with the oppportunity to be liberated, what have the AWs become, they have taken on some of the worse type of behavior that we are blaimed for.  

It is amazing to me how masculinized the AWs have become. If you live and work in other cultures outside the US, and you return to the States, it is like a bucket of cold water in your face.

I dated several AWs last year.  One of them made an interesting comment to me. In any given situation, either personal or business, she said she never knows how masculine to act! So many times she over does it.

Our society is constantly being bombarded with male bashing comments in the media.  Virtually every TV show, movie, and news cast, has some negative comment about men.  We are supposed to just drop our heads and say nothing.  But if you make any negative comment about AWs, you get jumped on. It is politcally correct to bash men but not women these days.

AWs want to be able to control and manipulate their men (if don't believe it just the "Rules" book for women). But they also want you to hold the door open and be romantic all at the same time.  I think many feel they have to train you like a new puppy. But once they get you whipped they lose respect for you. It is any wonder that most of us are angry and confused.  

If you ask what they want, they will not tell you, you are supposed to know somehow. If you guess wrong, you are in the dog house again (bad puppy!). Unforuntately being a mind reader has never been my strength.

AWs have also become black belts in mouth.  They want to be able say anything without consequences. However, if we say something back were are in trouble. If you hit them, your are in jail. Guys learned long ago if you pop off to another guy, you could get clocked.  

I just wonder if the AWs of today are actually happier than the previous generations?

mike

... in response to Re: Re: American Women M.O.B...  !!!, posted by denvermike on Jul 10, 2001

Don't talk to me about masculine women!  The last AW left me painful memories.  When she asked me to look at her tight ab muscles I was politely impressed but when she beckoned me to feel her tight biceps I figured it was a romantic invitation so I decided I'd give her a nice warm neck massage instead.  Quick as a goose she grabbed my hand and twisted it the opposite direction holding it until I was compliant.  She said she hoped it wouldn't interfere with my workout at the gym.  I told her I didn't work out in the gym but that I had lots of hard sweaty work around the house to do the next day.  She said "You don't go to the gym?"  I said "I don't have time."  "But I can build a shed, make and install a fence with posts, put on a new roof, lay a small concrete job, do some plumbing, trim the trees, paint, maintain plants, etc etc etc."  She grimaced looking surprised and disappointed and said, "You don't work out?"  I said "no."  That was our first and only date. But she did pay for her dinner!  LOL.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: American Women M.O.B...  !!!, posted by buzzy on Jul 10, 2001

Yep - only in America - pay to go to a place and lift heavy weights then pay to have someone else move your furniture, mow your lawn, etc.
-- Jeff S.

... in response to LOL - Only in America, posted by Jeff S on Jul 10, 2001

n/t

... in response to Re: Re: American Women M.O.B...  !!!, posted by denvermike on Jul 10, 2001

I agree with you...the old double standard...that a few of us are willing to put forth the time, money and effort to leave behind.

HD

... in response to American Women M.O.B...  !!!, posted by yc on Jul 10, 2001

Can you see AW putting up with macho Latinos, Arrogant Asian men or strong willed Russian men? As George Carlin says, there's a continuing "pussification" American men going on, and these are the only ones suitable for most AW. When AW say there are no "good men" around what they mean is there aren't enough men around they can keep on a short leash. Just my 2 cents worth.
-- Jeff S.

... in response to Yeah - right, posted by Jeff S on Jul 10, 2001

George is right, and most guys know it. I really don't see anything wrong with being macho, what does AW want, a fish? Oh I forgot, they want an equal partner who wants more from her than just sex. A man to share, and reap, and kiss her feet..... I am getting all sappy..........

The woods are full of old AW's who thought the knew what they wanted.

... in response to Yeah - right, posted by Jeff S on Jul 10, 2001

Is'nt it great how vocal we become after having been liberated from the "AW Beating Us Down and into Shape Syndrome"...LOL...I have'nt had to live up to a single unexpressed, unrealistic expectation(demand) since I met my wife.

Like pack said...Thank You AA..and Avianca and ACES...LOL..

HD

... in response to Re: Yeah - right, posted by Houndog on Jul 10, 2001

Ain't life grand! Best to you and your sweetie.
-- Jeff S.

... in response to Yeah - right, posted by Jeff S on Jul 10, 2001

But for all that is being said I truly believe that the macho/manly attitude of LM is one of the main reasons why  latinas are so feminine and beautiful, we don't let our women walk all over us, they know their place.

The agency scene is huge in the Phillipines/Thailand, Russia and LA and the women are said to be the most beautiful/feminine women in the world, one of the reasons for the agencies popularity and women's displeasure with the locals seems to be that the men in these countries are said to be too macho....coincidence?

Then look at the AM with their sparkling reputations of being "nice" guys and "great husbands" yet lots of them can't stand the women in their country.

Coincidence? I think not.

... in response to There's been a fair amount of latino bas..., posted by JUAN on Jul 10, 2001

Juan

Are you qualified to be "casting the first stone" here?  Let me quote you:

"But for all that is being said I truly believe that the macho/manly attitude of LM ..."

Here you have expounded a stereotype on LM.

"Then look at the AM with their sparkling reputations of being "nice" guys and "great husbands" ..."

Here you have expounded a stereotype on AM.

I believe that these prejudices exist in all races and cultures.  Do you think latinos don't stereotype gringos?  Does Aaron think African-Americans don't stereotype caucasians?  Get real!

Do we have to be so politically correct that we can't discuss our opinions about other cultures or races?  Do you think that maybe LM in general could improve their treatment of LW in marriage?  Maybe there's a value in discussing these ideas.  Or maybe we should sweep it all under the carpet and keep very quiet so that we don't offend anyone.

Steve

... in response to There's been a fair amount of latino bas..., posted by JUAN on Jul 10, 2001

Hola Juan,              

I read your good comments on the Planet Love Board. I'm a African-American male. Since I am from a minority group that has been a target for racism, similar with Hispanics, I can easily recognize prejudice, discrimination, and racism. Those comments made on the board about Hispanic men were very racist, and those idiots did nothing but circulate negative sterotypes about Hispanic men.

I'm sorry that you had to be confronted with that. No....I never will believe that all Latin men are abusive, controlling, and womenizers. I know too many Latinos, men and woman, that are far better than anyone else who posts on this board. My Latin friends are doctors, psychologists, lawyers, engineers, teachers, and I am also good friends with a guy who's father was once a congressman of Costa Rica. This man and his entire family met President Ronald Reagan and Pope John Paul. Most of the Latinas I know would never even think about using a marriage agency. They would consider that a very desperate way to meet men.

Because of the racist comments on the PL board, along with other nonsense, I have decided to never post on this board again. Also, I believe that most of the men involved in Latin American marriage agencies are American males, with little respect for Latin culture. Most of these men, have stereotypical beliefs and prejudice viewpoints towards many aspects of various cultural groups. This is why most of these men FAIL in their pursuit for a decent Latina wife. They don't value her, her cultural values, and her identity.

I'm not that way. I respect Latinos, men and women, Cultura Latina especialmente cultura Colombiana, and I am looking for a Latina for marriage. I want to do this the right way, with time and patience, and a high level of respect for all my future Latino in-laws.

Keep your head up.....Viva La Raza!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aaron

P.S. When they get off the plane from their trips to Latin America, they begin to show their "true colors." I wonder if they had the courage to express their beliefs about Latin men directly to their faces.  

... in response to Re: There's been a fair amount of latino..., posted by Aaron on Jul 10, 2001

I was going to make this fairly long post stating how ridiculous this discussion really is.  But you know what--I just said "What is the use."  This is useless wear and tear on my keyboard.  Think about it!!!  A person posted comments(as long as it is done within reasonable limits) about latinos--next thing you know, he is a racist.  I guess this board has gone the way of the liberal media... taking what a person says out of context of what it was intented to be.

FWII(For whoever is interested), latinas have bashed latinos also.  Just go to some of these agencies websites and view some of their reasons for seeking an AM for marriage.  But I don't see anyone getting all rawled-up and bent out of shape over that.  IT IS THE SAME EXACT THING!!!!  I guess it coming from a latina make it alright.  Besides, AM have bashed AW.  AW have bashed AM.  African women have bashed African men.  Asian women have done the same and so have FSU women.  I wonder if latinos bash latinas.  I guess nobody really care... ????

PS:  I guess somebody is looking for the latina version of the liberal AW(not all).

... in response to Re: There's been a fair amount of latino..., posted by Aaron on Jul 10, 2001

What's the deal? When we talk about people of color, we are racists? Get a new handle guy, this excuse is getting weak. Not all AM's are pushovers either, and yes we would tell them to their face, so? Times are changing, get used to it. We are going to some of the most dangerous places in the world to look for a wife, do you think we are scared?

I been to Africa, I got off the plane, was I scared? NOPE.

The race card is front man.

... in response to Re: There's been a fair amount of latino..., posted by Aaron on Jul 10, 2001

.. because they certainly weren't mine. I did use the term "macho" in my post but I certainly don't consider that a racial slur - in fact, I rather think it's a compliment. Doesn't it mean more "masculine" or "manly" than, in your words, "abusive, controlling, womanizers" and I think "drunk" was even used. I also went went on to explain how I consider myself more like traditional Latinos, than modern "pussified" American men. As for me being an idiot circulating negative stereotypes about Latin men, again, you have the wrong guy. I speak Spanish, spend many weeks per year in Latin America, have very strong personal and business ties in Mexico, and am surrounded by mostly Latinos & Latinas in my work.

As for how I treat and am treated by Latinos when I'm actually there, I get invited to their homes, quinceneras of their daughters, their wedding anniversaries, and yes, I too know the mayor of a major city in Central Mexico, two federal Senators, quite a few promimant business people, attornies, and the chief of police for the Federales in BC.

-- Jeff S.

... in response to I don't know whose posts you guys are re..., posted by Jeff S on Jul 11, 2001

Why apologize? You did notthing wrong, did you? You expressed your opinion in a clean and informational matter.

No need to say your sorry, is there?

... in response to why apologize?, posted by KADAMS on Jul 11, 2001

I didn't apologize. It just irks me when people pay zero attention to what you actually say and jump to a completely invalid conclusion lumping you in with their own fantisizedized version of ogres. That's the exact behaviour they're supposedly angry about happening to them. I can't imagine they can't see the hippocracy in that.
-- Jeff S.

... in response to Re: why apologize?, posted by Jeff S on Jul 12, 2001

Most people are not that difficult to understand, everybody has a handle. You make good observations, and I think you have very good intentions, but some folks just like to be mad and cram their anger in peoples face.

they need a hobby.

... in response to Re: There's been a fair amount of latino..., posted by Aaron on Jul 10, 2001

Wow!!!!!!!!! Aaron, not all on this board are latino bashers. I agree there are good and bad in every race and culture. I think some men just need to feed big egos when they try to put down ALL latinos.It's the "white Knight" rescuer thing.

   Also, many do not wish to see that though some of the men have bad behavior,the very women they are with accepted that bad behavior and put up with it. Noone with much self respect should have to put up with bad behavior in a relationship. If all latinos were soooo bad,and latinas put up with it the cheating and all,what does that say for her charecter,her self esteem? I know alot of latinas that will not put up with any crap,either from an AM or latino.  And many latinos that treat their significant oher like gold.                      
 

  I think this biz attracts  people who have had bad relationships with others from their own country.Being discouraged with their dating pool,they seek greener grass elsewhere.  Therefore perpetrating the myth that all AW are feminist,and ALL LM are cheaters. That truly is a shame.  

,   Funny, I see AM who are happy with their AW spouses. with surveys saying 75% of AM would marry the same woman all over again. Also,most Aw are the ones to initiate divorce. So not all Aw are horrible creatures,and not all AM believe that.

  I see latin couples all over who have a connection an AM/LW will never have. I see an ease in talking,an ease in dancing,a comfort they seem to share with each other. So I do not think the men are as bad as some LW who have been hurt by some are saying.
 
   Men have such huge egos. I have heard many latinas say they do not like AM because they are cold,lousy in bed,bad kissers,unromantic,have no rhythem,can't dress. Would the men then get angry and say they were being bashed and grouped as a whole and not an individual?......Of course. That would be a huge stereotypebut it is a MYTH believed by many.

... in response to Re: Re: There's been a fair amount of la..., posted by rick13 on Jul 11, 2001

That's what stereotypes are.

A lot of guys on this board bash AW making statements like  "most AW" are such and such but they haven't dated or seen "most AW". The United States is a country of monstrous proportions.

Statements such as  "most latinos" or "the typical latino" is a wife beater, drunk, cheater, yet you know they'll never meet "most latinos".

Rick13, be careful when stating that not all AM are unhappy with their AW or that they're not p-whipped because they are with an AW, be careful when stating that not all latinos beat their wives/girlfriends, are irresponsible, are drunks or just plain ad husband material....it could get you in trouble on this board.

Aaron, I've wondered the same thing at times, I've wondered if the guys who bash latinos here show their contempt for latinos when they are in LA.

... in response to People believe what they want to believe, posted by JUAN on Jul 11, 2001

It 'should' go without saying that each person speaks of 'their' personal experiences and those of whom they converse and compare with. So of course no 'one' can or will meet 'everyone'. Rather than picking apart posts on technicalities...if one was amind too...they could draw general references for their own benefit by using the information comparitively. As a yard stick more or less to gauge ones own experiences against those of many others.

Thus knowing others have seen potholes in the road,  an open eye is warranted when traveling that stretch of highway. It does not mean because others have seen or hit a pothole that we 'will' or 'must' hit the same potholes..

HD

... in response to There's been a fair amount of latino bas..., posted by JUAN on Jul 10, 2001

Juan,

I don't believe that any group of people can or should be painted with the same brush so to speak. Because of that, the title of your post grabbed my attention.

However, you make a statement that seems to run contrary to your initial declaration.....

What do you mean by "they know their place"?

And...what does a LM's "macho/manly attitude" have to do with a latina being beautiful?

-just curious

Tai

... in response to Re: Did I miss something?, posted by Tai on Jul 10, 2001

Tai, what I  meant was that for the most part in latin culture the couples know who the man is and who the woman is  in terms of their roles in a relationship.

To me it's a matter of respect, a woman, from ANY country/ethnic group can NEVER respect a man she can control, manipulate or break down in any way and from some of the stories I've read on this board the impression I get is that the guys doing the complaining about AW have allowed that to happen in their past relationships with AW.

I'm not anti AW at all, in terms of physical beauty I find that lots of them rate VERY highly contrary to what some on this board would have you believe, and in terms of personality I find many of them to be sweet and friendly,  I've  met b******, feminists and physically unatractive AW, these seem to be the ones preaching that fat is beautiful, hatred of men, hatred of beautiful women etc.

Controlling? Only if you let them.

As to why I credit the macho attitude in latin culture for latina beauty, I didn't word it properly, physical beauty is a product of genes and good diet but I do think the level of femininity can be attributed at least in part to the "macho" culture.

... in response to Re: Re: Did I miss something?, posted by JUAN on Jul 11, 2001

I understood what you meant. AM blame AW for being monsters they themselves created( No, I do not believe AW are that way).

 You have a voice,speak up! To allow a woman to mold you,and yes dear" her to deah will get you what you allowed.  If you are forever meeting that sort of woman,what about you is making her that way?maybe you are a bit too passive and allow a woman to control. The same way I believe a woman who claims all men are bad is sending off some sort of negative vibe that attrats that sort. People will take advantage if you are a doormat. Even a baby will take advantage of parents that spoil.It is human nature.                                      
 

 AM need to stop the AW bashing and look a how their passive behavior is playing a role in society. It is so obvious many are so in awe of women and act as though each beautiful one is some angel sent from above.Red flags are everwhere at times,but they just step over them and contiueto moon over their prize. Reading these boards remind me of how boys were in Jr. High School, where a pretty woman was way above us,and we woud do anything to have one,put up with all sorts of behavior. We were whipped!
 
  We are not boys anymore. A woman needs a man who understands his role as a man,and a man needs a woman who understands hers.That is the beauty of the sexes.  For those who accuse AW of being so masculine,wonder why. There needs to be a balance somehow!!

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Did I miss something?, posted by rick13 on Jul 11, 2001

my keyboard keeps sticking. Time for a new one.

... in response to There's been a fair amount of latino bas..., posted by JUAN on Jul 10, 2001

I live and work around many, many Latinos and spend a substantial amount of time in Mexico. I just wanted to point out that the typical modern young American woman wouldn't put up with a traditional Latino man and vice versa. That's why MOGs (Grooms) for most AW would be a disaster. (As it would be for me and a modern, young AW.)
-- Jeff S.

... in response to There's been a fair amount of latino bas..., posted by JUAN on Jul 10, 2001

I hate to stereotype all latino men as being this way or that.  They all cheat on their women, etc.  I do not think that is the case.  My girlfriend's sister has had a boyfriend for the last few years that I do not imagine is going out on her.  Just from getting to know him.  He is very devoted and in love with her.  I could be wrong.

In contrast though, I saw something in Cali you do not run across here every day.  My girlfriend and I were walking in the early evening on some back streets near my hotel.  Across the street I saw a young couple pushing a stroller and the guy looked a little agitated.  Next thing I know, he hauls off and smacks her pretty hard right there in the street.  My girlfriend kind of seemed like this is a normal thing you see.  It did not upset her.

One thing about my girlfriend/fiancée is that she is ever vigilant about the possibility that I might have another woman.  This is how she is conditioned growing up in Cali.  If I do not call her at the appointed time or have to change the time I am to call her, she gets a little suspicious.  If she sees a little pattern of behavior like going over to a friend's house frequently, she will make sure that I know she has her eye on me as best she can.  For me it is amusing and I understand where she is coming from.  I know with her old boyfriend that she had for 8 years, she has told me she tried to monopolize all his time so he would not have any other time for other women.

You gotta love those latinas.

... in response to Yeah - right, posted by Jeff S on Jul 10, 2001

you are right jeff. it seems a large percentage of american men have allowed themselves to be controled by the AW, those men are doomed. the rest of us arent going to take it anymore and we are heading south to find real women and leaving our AW to themselves.

... in response to Re: Yeah - right, posted by pack on Jul 10, 2001

Pack,

They have no choice...and are not inclined to seek out what 'we' are. Being an enabler is fine with many guys...plus...what choices do they have if they are lazy ?

I have several divorced friends who keep failing over and over with the dating game...sure they get laid...but them...next....but they're used to the game and the rules so they just keep playing ring around the rosy...hoping next Friday Night will be different.

HD

... in response to American Women M.O.B...  !!!, posted by yc on Jul 10, 2001

Here's a joke that is popular at the United Nations that will partially answer your question.  My former Japanese girlfriend, an executive at the Secretariat, told it to me and she said it is universally appreciated at her place of employment.

HEAVEN AND HELL FOR UN WORKERS

HEAVEN IS A...
French chef
British policeman
German mechanic
Italian lover
Japanese wife
American home
all organized by a Swiss

HELL IS A...
British chef
German policeman
French mechanic
Swiss lover
Japanese home
American wife
all organized by an Italian

... in response to Re: American Women M.O.B...  !!!, posted by Hamlet on Jul 10, 2001

Ive heard something similar to that before.. a Chinese friend of mine said that even in China American men are recognized as being good husbands and American women are recognized as being awful, b!tchy wives. He said he came here and found out that this perception was far too nice to the American gals.