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OK guys,I just got off of the phone with Howard Calling me from Cali and he asked me to post his story as a warning to other guys.
Howard was going to marry his novia J in Las Vegas on the 30th of this month.He had the fiance visa approved.He has been with this girl for about a year.Howard is a Handsome 46 year old guy who speaks pretty good spanish and is in excellent financial shape.In my opinion he could have about any girl in Cali that was interested in a gringo.
The girl he got involved with is 19 (now)and for whatever reason he was taken with her.He rented a very nice 3 bedroom apartment for her in Ciudad Jardine and went down to see her about one week a month.He thought he knew her and was going to marry her.He was even in the process of renting a house for her family.I am sorry I didn't speak up before and my wife who spent some time with this lady thought she definetly did not deserve Howard.But I reasoned I didn't know her well and he is a smart guy who spent a week a month with her so who am I to say.My wife really did not want to talk about her opinions either.
About a week ago Howard confided that there had been some changes in her that toubled him.He talked to all his friends every one told him basically the same thing,she is not sincere and not the girl for you.I guess every one else had been holding their opinion also because he was so loyal to her.
Howard flew to Cali Sunday night,got a hotel room and went to the apartment Monday when she was not there.He found lots of things including flowers and a note profesing love from a guy with a latin name.He confronted her with this and she tried to lie her way out of it but he had the goods on her.He gave her her clothes and said so long.One doorman at the apartment who never said anything but hello and goodby to him opened up and told him she was seeing another guy in the building and that guys were coming and going all the time.
Howard wanted me to tell all of you guys that if you ever have any doubts about the lady you are dating to hire a private investigator to check her out.Howard had heard some stories but choose to believe J and not the stories.He even talked about the investigator but never did it.
Howard is in good spirits and is just glad he found this out before he married her.Already people are introducing him to new ladies they think would be good for him.He said he will stay a couple of weeks and just look around alot.Howard is a great guy and has so much going for him there are lots af women that would love to have him.Actually of all the guys I know I consider him to be the best catch a girl could get.
The other thing I and alot of other people probably feel bad about is we were going to let him marry her even though we all thought she was a bad choice.I guess we should have taken a risk and at least tried to broach the subject.My wife had really strong feelings but didn't want to say anything.When the question did come up last week I handed her the phone and told her he is your friend so tell him what you know and think and she really gave him her opinion in spanish for about 30 miniutes.
Thats the story guys.My wife and I and some other friends are very relieved that he didn't marry her.
I think the moral of the story for guys here is don't ignore those signs and intuition.I think they are always there with a problem girl but even a intelligent and worldly guy like Howard could overlook them.
If anything else comes up I will post.

Pete

... in response to Howard's(H2O)wedding is off, posted by Pete Eiguren on Jun 6, 2001

I can't believe it, I just can't believe it.

Are you all surprised about a 19 year old ---teenager--- to respond this way. She's young, without much life experience, and would like to date many people, and fall in love many times. This is part of growing-up, not a sign of poor character. So, please, allow these young women a chance to grow-up, and mature.

Ask yourselves this question, "Would you have been mature enough for marriage at 19 years of age?" If the answer is NO, then don't expect that a girl of this age will be too. If the answer is YES, then you were an unusual person, who matured at a faster pace than the rest. The likelihood to find such fast maturing young people is quite low. Usually, they are off bettering themselves, and not looking for a "MEAL TICKET."

If this girl happened to find a nice younger Latin boy in Colombia, who treats her right, and cares for her, then good for her.

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Please stick to rational argument and avoid name calling if you wish to continue posting (after registering, which is now required for you). WHile I may agree with your opinion of marriages between couples of such significant age difference, I don't insult the men trying to do it.  This guy may have had only the best on intentions.  You don't know him, and therefore, should not judge.[End Edits]

But this is just my opinion..... The Psychologist

... in response to Re: Howard's(H2O)wedding is off, posted by My Honest Opinion on Jun 6, 2001

She wanted sex with other men, and she did not have the class to tell Howard, she is a HO. Don't make the American excuse the "they drifted apart" or "she was too young", this is typical PC crap. She was not thinking about her future when this other guy was exchanging DNA with her. YOU KNOW WHAT SHE IS, SAY IT!

... in response to Howard's(H2O)wedding is off, posted by Pete Eiguren on Jun 6, 2001

My condolences and maybe congratulations to howard. I met him with Diego at Unicentro one time. I can appreciate the problem. We never know what a woman is thinking even if she is an AW. At my age {58} I try to restrict myself to women between thirty and forty. Most of them have lived and placed their priorities in order. It would be hard to convince this 19 year old that she had the world by the @ss and threw it away. In six months(maybe)when she is slinging pizzas she will begin to wonder what happened. Especially when Raul dosn't come around anymore.
     My novia brought a young friend of the family to LL. She met a guy in his forties. She was nineteen and had a new baby sired by her former boss. He fired her and refused to pay support.The gringo spent thousands on spanish lessons , gifts for the family, computor,and clothes for the kid. One day she was at the house and said that she was so sad that she was so young and had to marry an old man to support her baby. Needless to say  she did not appreciate her opportunity and take responsability for her life. I told my novia  that she would mess it up and she did.
    The temptation is great, they look so good, but like Eddie Fisher said on his fifth divorce "a pretty face is only a pretty face and not a person". It appears we are all caught between infatuation with beauty and the need for love. Sometimes you have to choose between the two. I'm still trying to choose. I hope some of you get both. jim c

... in response to Re: Howard's(H2O)wedding is off, posted by jim c on Jun 6, 2001

"Been there, done that."  Boy I hate those words.  LOL but they're true!  Anyway, I still hear from a lady in Lima who left me for her young lover who's also from Lima. We were engaged to be married.  A simple investigative surveillance would have alerted me.  A few dollars compared to the waste of money I experienced. Now she cries to me begging for money.  We have 20 years of age diff between us.  Apparently he left her with a baby for another young lady who also became pregnant with his child.  This guy gets around!  She can't find decent work in Lima.  And she wants to resume with me like nothing happened.  But of course I only see a person who made a bad decision . I don't see someone I want or love.  But things happen for a reason.  I wised up.  She wised up.  It takes what it takes.  LOL.  "Many a man in love with a dimple makes the mistake of marrying the whole girl."(Quote)

... in response to Re: Howard's(H2O)wedding is off, posted by jim c on Jun 6, 2001

my condolences to howard, and in some respect this may have been good to find out now, before he was married, i'm sure it doesn't feel good at this moment

i'm not willing to say that Howard was wrong because of the age difference.  last week at latin Best i met a 66 year old young guy from Florida.  He too had dated a 19 yr old, but had settled on a 23 yr old lawyer.  he said  he was going to return to the states, sell his house, transfer assets to his kids, then return to Cali and get an apartment and move in the the lawyer.  No one knows how it will turn out, i wish him the best and hope for the best. Hopefully she is a woman of her words and he will help her in whatever way he can and she in turn will support him and they will take care of each other.  He was frank in his assesment, he said that he will not live for ever and just wanted to be happy for the 15 to 20 years he has left on this Earth.  I hope it works out.

Jim, i finally met Martha Calderon, she came over to Norms one night after work last week. She is a bit taller since February. Approaching 6' 1"? So we will continue to talk to see where we go from here.

PEACE

PS i think a lot of 17 to 19 yr olds, from a lot of diifferent countries, think they have the world by the @ss
i had a young lady tell me that after she went to college and med school in Colombia that she was going to come to America and live in florida and make lots of money by being a Dr for the Latin community and would not even have to learn to speak english.  i didn't want to burst her bubble so i told her to check with the folks at the medical school before she started spending all that money.

... in response to Howard's(H2O)wedding is off/ to Jim C, posted by jesse on Jun 6, 2001

Oh, I am not preaching to howard, just waxing poetic. Been there done that.  I'm still recovering from my breakup. Although my problems were a result of her neurotic child. I didn't see the red flags as Larry G would say. Listen Jesse!  Martha is not six one, she is five eleven you only need to get up off the floor and look into her beautiful eyes to see she only looks that tall from down there. By the by did she ask about me? nyuk nyuk I wish I was younger. jim c

... in response to Re: Howard's(H2O)wedding is off/ to Jim ..., posted by jim c on Jun 6, 2001

hey, she wore her heels to meet me!!
she said she wanted to be as tall as possible!

i mentioned you and she said "Jim who?"
then i said the guy i sent to meet you after you stood me up in february!!  then she said "oh yeah, that Jim"

... in response to Howard's(H2O)wedding is off, posted by Pete Eiguren on Jun 6, 2001

A little too old to be with a 19 year old? You make the guy sound like a great "catch" but really, what in the world can a 46 year old man have in common with a 19 year old kid?

... in response to Isn't a 46 year old guy, posted by JUAN on Jun 6, 2001

A 19 year old knows how to keep her legs closed, right

... in response to Isn't a 46 year old guy, posted by JUAN on Jun 6, 2001

Dear Sir:

   I met Howard last December and he is a nice man.  He is financially successful (owns a large nursery business) with many employees, didn't look his age but younger.  Yes, he has his teeth and hair.
   Personally, my fiance Nidyan did not like Howard's fiance either when she met her, but since I knew H2O not at all we did not say anything to him.
   Anyway, Howard will find a better lady in Cali next time.

                                  Larry in Dallas

... in response to Isn't a 46 year old guy, posted by JUAN on Jun 6, 2001

Juan,
Age differences like this are not common here but in Colombia they can be.If the guy is handsome he can have even the very young girls if he wants.I think the problem was not he is too old but that she is too young.(this may sound stupid).I think he would be better off with a 25+ girl but even some of the 21 year olds can be very mature.In this case I think it was a problem because she is so young and immature he gets discounted for his age even though to a girl even a little older or more mature he would be a prime catch.This is no average 46 year old we are talking about here.I'm sure he could have alot of women here but maybe the real young ones are part of the attraction of Colombia.I met his girl when I first went down and didn't give her a thought,but I am quite a bit older than Howard.I told her and her friend,joking around,that I was looking for 35,not 18.I am now 58 and my wife will be 35 next month.Even though thats a big age difference its not like the same number of years if the girl is only 18 or 19.And of course I don't think I am the average 58 year old,but we can deceive ourselves.
Maybe some guys in their forties still have the immage of a very young girl.I dated women 19 or so when I was in my mid thirties and thought they were definetly too young.For me I still want an attractive woman and I wasn't finding that in women anywhere near my age.
I'm sure Howard can find a great woman if he is a little
carefull.The problem is not finding a woman there(thats a cinch)but finding a good one.

Pete

... in response to Re: Isn't a 46 year old guy, posted by Pete Eiguren on Jun 6, 2001

Me and my big mouth! I never thought the young guys would begin to agree with me. Hey stick to the young senoritas you guys still have time to screw up. Leave the older ones to us senior citizens.  by the way spoke to Robert Simmons of LL today and he indicated that he was going to actively try to sign up older girls and recognized the problem that the agency was overloaded with young ones. jim c

... in response to Re: Re: Isn't a 46 year old guy, posted by jim c on Jun 7, 2001

I'm not as old as you are however I looked at the calender and did some math..and asked myself a few questions...and Wallllaaaahhhh...."How Much Time Do I Have Left to Keep Screwin Off", Jumped Out at Me Bold......and my answer to myself was 'preferably none'....LOL...so in my case I decided I'd leave being a Sugar Daddy on a Tickin Clock to others and concentrate my efforts on finding and being found by Enduring Love.

Seems so far that by leaving the Denial to others and concentrating on a Goal of "The Last One" instead of simply "The Next One"  I've done just fine.

But each to their own. Although the part I still don't get is why go away from ones home town to be a Sugar Daddy...????

Regards, HD

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Funny you mentioned that......., posted by Houndog on Jun 7, 2001

Hi HD

I dont know what your choices were, but I live on an Island packed with tourists. Most of the local women don't have baggage they have baggage trains. Too much money, too many men, too many drugs, too much booze and an attitude that says " I don't need you I have a vibrator". Add that to a statement that my father said to me ten years ago " you are lucky, you haven't had to see an old woman naked" . ( he is eighty five and married a fifty year old five years ago )
     Call me shallow, thats why I go to Cali. I would rather be suspicious of the intentions of a beautiful, trim calena, than of a calculating demanding Aw that only thinks-- what can you do for me?  Naturally I would want the woman that is with me to love and respect me.  But in the process I would like to enjoy looking at her. After many years with beautiful exotic women, I realize my limitations. You can't stop father time. But in Cali you can set the clock back just a little. It is  better than lap dances and fantasys or settling for a fat wrinkeled aged princess with memories of grandure. Hope this doesn't sound depressing to any one,  I still haven't slept with a woman over forty. jim c

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Funny you mentioned that..., posted by jim c on Jun 7, 2001

Jim,
Oh you are so politically incorrect---and I love it.The last woman I dated here before I went to Colombia and found my wife was 48 I think.About the second date she showed up in these shorts and T-shirt.I took a quick look and decided I didn't even want to know what she looked like with her clothes off(put it on-put it on!).
Unless I got very lucky(and I wasn't) there was no way I was going to get anyone like my Colombian wife.
This is probably the main reason guys go south.We want a nice looking woman and that is hard to find here,especially as you get older.I saw HD post below and if you are trying to find a good looking 52 year old they do exist but you will probably get hit by lightning before you find one.
Of course this is unfair and I have some women friends who are 50's and overweight and they would be appalled at my post here,but I don't think they are likely to read it.I think its just the way most guys tend to be.
And how about our looks?Well guys have an advantage here.If you have good heredity and keep your body in excellent shape(mine is 20 lbs more than excellent)I think a guy can look pretty good well into his 60's.The bod can still be good(with work) and if your face has aged a little you could be considered rugged,not pretty.I think Clint Eastwood is about 70 and still looks pretty good(and has a 30 year old latina wife).
If my wife and I ever split I would be right back down south in a heartbeat.What I would have to settle for here I can pass on.
Never saw an old woman naked,I love it.Whoops,if I live more than 20 years I may have to trade mine in.(just kidding,just kidding).
With all the problems that can be encountered by looking for younger latin women I think most of us would have to admit that it beats the hell out of what we were doing before.
I'm so bad,go ahead and flame me!

Pete

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Old broads without c..., posted by Pete Eiguren on Jun 7, 2001

Hey Pete your not bad just honest.
    When we are in our fifties we are caught in the middle, young enough to want them pretty but condemed if we say so. AW find our attitudes insulting and act like we are pedaphiles or have never grown up. I like being a dirty old man and believe that a good wine dosn't have to come in a dusty old bottle. As for the young guys don't believe the propaganda. We are still just as dangereous and often age and treachery over comes youth and skill.
jim c

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Old broads witho..., posted by jim c on Jun 7, 2001

Forgive me if I'm not sympathetic to the plight of older women in this country.  There are a few women in their 40s and 50s that still look hot.  The rest let themselves go physically and they say we should love them for their "inner beauty".  They say men are shallow.

American women are just as shallow.  After I started losing my hair I couldn't buy a date with an attractive woman in this country.  It didn't matter that I exercised and kept myself in good physical condition.  Nada.  The competition is fierce for attractive, older women in the US.  It's simple supply and demand.

So I had to settle for a stunningly beautiful 21yo latina who signed a pre-nup.  Imagine that.  That would never happen with a beautiful American woman.  

Thank God for Colombianas and K-1 visas.

... in response to American Women are just as shallow as Am..., posted by DallasSteve on Jun 8, 2001

Good for you!! You deserve what you search for! Another honest man is found. jim  c

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Funny you mentioned that..., posted by jim c on Jun 7, 2001

I highly recommend you get some preserved/well taken care of over 40 women naked, in the hot tub, on the kitchen table, shower, bubble bath or any other place of choice lights on or off. My last AW GF was 52 an x ballerina...Italian, and between the French Kissing and Fantastic sex that lasted for hours and hours I really think you've been missing out.

As far as Lap Dances...a fantasy is a fantasy is a fantasy is a fantasy...here, there or on mars...LOL..unless the guy is Quasimoto...take the 700 it costs for a plane ticket and one can get a date with a 20 something right at home, believe me !!!! With all the permanance of some of the 20 yr old Calenas. Heck if one starts offering up Apartments, a not to expensive car, shopping, perks, one could easily find several one could  rotate with...LOL.

Been there done that...! And they are no different than a fantasy that ends over there. Actually it's healthier to know Exactly How the Cow Ate the Cabbage rather than living a delusion.

HD

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Funny you mentioned ..., posted by Houndog on Jun 7, 2001

Hey HD I don't get your post I don't date the 20 year olds. Mid to late thirtys are my taste. I agree about the twenty somethings, but call me shallow the fifty year olds don't work for me. My latest is 37, a calena and an employed engineer. Never did the sugar daddy thing, I'm too cheap. Its very inexpensive to entertain in Cali for me compared to Key West and there are a thousand times more women. For the life of me, I don't understand the cow and cabbage thing. Please enlighten me I guess I skipped that class. jim c

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Funny you mentio..., posted by jim c on Jun 7, 2001

Didn't mean to get sooo Deap with the Cow&Cabbage philosophy.

I guess the Block I've been around was larger than the one some others have been around..LOL..

BTW...I forgot to mention I had a 48yr old GF from Medillin(sp?)visit me here in the states a couple of years ago..she could rumba 3 times a day..;-)...(you get that right?)and her body could rival any 35yr old AW. So between genetics and taking care of what one was given age isn't the only deciding factor in quality. Maybe you should get out more ? Try a few new things...or old things for the first time..;-)..

HD

... in response to e: Re: Sorry man...., posted by Houndog on Jun 7, 2001

thanks for the advice dog, but I think I will stick to the new things until I have to settle for something old, but she will be rich so I can pay for the lap dances and the electric wheelchair. Jim C

PS please explain the cows and cabbages I always enjoy your farm humor. Example "even a blind hog can find an acorn"

... in response to Re: e: Re: Sorry man....something old ,s..., posted by jim c on Jun 7, 2001

:o  I THOUGHT IT WAS....EVEN A BLIND PIG CAN FIND AN ACORN  ..WELL DAM.....LOL....HUMMM COWS AND CABBAGE......I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TOO....HOUNDOGGIE DOG IS OLD SCHOOL, SO HE KNOWS MORE :p .....MY PERSONAL FAVE IS ..."IF I TELL YOU A CHICKEN DIPS SNUFF, YOU CAN REACH IN HIS POCKET AND GET YOU A DIP"....  SOMEONE TOLD ME THIS ONE ...WAS FUNNY TO ME

... in response to Re: Re: e: Re: Sorry man....something ol..., posted by Golden on Jun 9, 2001

Reminds me of the saying,...Twenty Years Experience is Considerably Different than One years Experience Twenty times...

....didn't say I knew more....only the Block I've been Around could have been larger. No real way to know for sure though right ???  :-)...

Regards, HD

... in response to Re: Re: Re: e: Re: Sorry man....somethin..., posted by Houndog on Jun 9, 2001

Come on dog get out of the south forty and tell us about cows and cabbages.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: e: Re: Sorry man....some..., posted by jim c on Jun 9, 2001

Well Jim,

I used that cliche in context so everyone could get it. I like cliches and have found they carry profound significance boiled down to simplistics. I suppose we all can overlook at times how simple life really is, looking for complicated Truths to the Universe and the Meaning of Life.

Here goes, " How the Cow Ate the Cabbage"...it walked up bent it's neck and opened it's mouth, "WE INSERT CABBAGE" it bites off a hunk and begins chewing. That's "REALITY"!! Every other supposition of how the cow eats the cabbage is "FANTASY", "IMAGINATION", "WISHFUL THINKING"...or just plain old "DENIAL".  As in, you see something right before your very eyes, but wanting it to be different to satisfy the wants of self, refuse to accept/recognize what one is seeing.

So when we give a prostitute money for sex or to be a Sugar Daddy we Know 'How the Cow Ate the Cabbage', (We INSERTED CABBAGE, Reality), but when we give a Novia (supposedly a novia) money (Perks,Apts,Cars,etc)for sex and companionship, but never throw demands for Emotional Love, Devotion, Loyalty, etc. into the game 'definatively', we can't/don't know if they are with us because of/for the money and convience or not. We cloud the issue by clouding the rules. Therefore we are INSERTING CABBAGE, but denying that's what we're doing. And then try to rationalize what we are seeing to match what WE WANT to see. But rarely do we get to have life both ways. Pay to Play and Recieve "Unconditional" Love .

So watch how you bend the rules, you just might be bending the results also. Or, Watch What you Wish for, you just might get it, or, like Buzzy said, "Many a Man has fell in love with a Dimple, but married the "whole" woman.

OR, Morals, Values and Character, don't pick a woman without them.

Deal With Reality, Fantasy Just Prolongs the Pain.

Over and Out

HD

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: e: Re: Sorry man......., posted by Houndog on Jun 10, 2001

Thanks dog for the post it was very deep and appreciated. Jim C

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: e: Re: Sorry man....some..., posted by jim c on Jun 9, 2001

The one that us country folk use in Wisconsin is... "slicker than calf sh!t on glass" or my personal favorite..."hornier than a two pecker billy goat"
                          Evan

... in response to Re: Isn't a 46 year old guy, posted by Pete Eiguren on Jun 6, 2001

Pete,

First let me say I agree with you for the most part, and I send my condolences and best wishes for the future to H2O.

I will have to disagree however that 25-30 yr age differences are common in Colombia....although even 90 yr old men can have sex with 19 yr olds...here or there...under certian circumstances. I actively persued finding out about how big age differences "really are" on every trip I made to Colombia, talking to and asking anyone and everyone that would listen.

The answers I recieved lead me to believe...along with many personal observations...that an Older Colombian might have young girlfriends(18-25) and be their Sugar Daddy...but "Marriage" between people of 20-30 yr diffences where the woman is very young is very uncommon. Now when the women are over 30 then the picture changes slightly, with the age difference possibly widening with no ill effects.

IMO...a 40-45 yr old guy "married to" a 19-22yr old girl is agency hype ...but is not the norm or even very common. Of course there are exceptions, however exceptions don't define the rules.

Just my observations...your mileage, risk and luck may vary.

HD

... in response to Re: Re: Isn't a 46 year old guy, posted by Houndog on Jun 6, 2001

I guess I should mention that my future Suegro (father-in-law) is around 75 and my future Suegra is around 48 years old.  He was around 45 years old when he married my future mother-in-law and she was all of 18 years old.  From what I can tell they have had a good marriage. This was his second marriage.  He was an accountant for a sugar cane factory but is of course, retired.  They raised 3 wonderful daughters who have all turned out to be responsible, good women.

My girlfriend has told me that Bernardo (her father) is often in a "bad mood".  From what I can gather he is kind of a "curmudgeon" (a little like Andy Rooney).  Of course, he is still trying to keep an eye on the younger 23 year old with her boyfriends, etc., which can make a guy a little cranky.  

Anyway, Bernardo and I get along great.  Since I found that he likes his cerveza, we now have something in common that we like and can share.

So I think it still is unusual for an age spread this great for marriage in SA, but, it does successfully happen.

... in response to Re: Re: Isn't a 46 year old guy, posted by Houndog on Jun 6, 2001

HD,
I agree that forty something guys and girls 18-22 is not a good idea but I think  it is very common.Actually girls in their 30's are not that great in number at the agencies compared to younger girls.I think the age thing is alot different there and not just with gringos.One Colombiana I know married a Colombian guy 46 years older than her.They are not still married.
You can go to Colombia,find a girl the age you were thinking
and be happy about it.(I did)Guys who hang around longer seem to gravitate to the younger ones,but mayby they are both just playing.

Pete

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Isn't a 46 year old guy, posted by Pete Eiguren on Jun 6, 2001

Pete,

Almost every single one of the Ca. Bunch has an unhappy busted 19-22 yr old story to tell. The archives are full(as well as LWL)of lust gone bad stories with the "little girls" as they're refered to by Colombiana's at or over 30. Yes I was asked to my face in Cali, why I was interested in Women, when all the other Gringo's were interested in "Little Girls" !

Maybe some will shop long enough, hard enough, and get lucky enough someday to tell about finding one that "Truly Loves Him" as in the forever type. But 40-45/19-22 "IS NOT COMMON." If it was, you could have/ would have sited ALL the happily ever after stories you seem to know about. At least Edge cited "ONE" exception to the rules....and like him, I know of "ONE" exception, my fiancee's Uncle 65/33 , who readily admitted he was an exception and knew it.

Now buying companionship and finding love are two different things...which would you like to discuss ???

HD

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Isn't a 46 year old guy, posted by Houndog on Jun 6, 2001

Hd,
Maybe its just the people I know,but I know alot of guys dating very young girls.(Actually I was blown away by this when I first went down)So far their track record is not good,but these younger girls will date the older guys.
It may seem like buying love and in some cases may amount to that,but its a little different,more ongoing and more complicated than just hitting the cat houses.Actually prostitution is more honest than alot of these relationships.You pay your money and get what you came for.
Just a clean business deal,no BS.But I think the guys are looking for more than that,and thats when deception can come to play.

Pete

... in response to Re: Isn't a 46 year old guy, posted by Pete Eiguren on Jun 6, 2001

Pete - with all due respect to Howard.  I do not know him and will take your word on what you say about him.  Maybe he was blinded for awhile. A Caleña 19 years old is very young to me.  I am around the same age as Howard.  My fiancée just turned 30.  I am much happier with a woman around this age. She is still young enough to look great and is more mature and sure about wanting to get married. I have met several women younger than 25 while traveling to Cali and other cities and I have not met anyone I would seriously consider marrying.  My girlfriend's younger sister is 23 and is pretty mature for her age.  She is a mechanical engineer and has a good head on her shoulders.  She knows how to speak english and is also very pretty. However, she still acts like a 23 year old much of the time.  Her friends are around this age, etc.  I would consider her too young for me.  I want a woman who is also closer to the age of my friends and neighbors so she can assimilate easier with them also.

It sounds like Howard dodged a bullet and I hope he can find himself a good one.

... in response to Re: Re: Isn't a 46 year old guy, posted by Edge on Jun 6, 2001

I totally agree.Even though Forty something guys and 18-22 year old girls is common,I think it is a bad idea.Howard is looking at some other girls in their early 20's and I think he would be much better off with late 20's-early 30's.

Pete

... in response to Isn't a 46 year old guy, posted by JUAN on Jun 6, 2001

A 46yo man with a 19yo fiance.  What was he thinking?  Doesn't he know 22 years is the limit.
Just joking.  I'm 44 with a 22yo Colombian wife.  I think what problems we have had (15 months together now) are more a result of differences in personality than in age.  She's an extroverted party girl who likes to stay out late and makes friends with everyone she meets.  I'm a quiet, stay at home, family man who programs computers and keeps a meticulous house.  But then, I never expected her to stay.  I just can't resist her.  And if she left tomorrow I'd go back and get another.  I've had more fun in the last 15 months than in the first 43 years of my life.  Solo se vive una vez.
OK, if you want something valuable from my experience it's that the most uncomfortable times are when she wants to hang with friends her age.  I don't fit in at all.  But when we're alone together it's all good.  I feel completely at ease with her and I treasure every moment.

... in response to Do as I say, not as I do, posted by DallasSteve on Jun 6, 2001

This guy comes closest to the mindset that I have. I will be 47 in August and will be heading south in the next year or so, and if I get a beautiful, young (25 or so) woman to share my life with me, it's up to me to keep her in my house and content. Steve, treasure every moment. I know that I will when my time comes.

... in response to Good role model I think, posted by MikePastore on Jun 6, 2001

Personally I had my GOALS & EXPECTATIONS for Myself in Life and in Love especially, set considerably higher than one that didn't bail yet. I found for me, having a legally binding roommate far below what I needed or deserved in life.

And with the proper amount of Learning about self, the time, money and effort it isn't neccesary to lower ones expectations to barely above zero to still have them fullfilled. To me at least.

My standards for a relationship are far above those mentioned above and I found "all" I wanted, needed and more.

HD