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Have any of you had any success with letter writing that you could share?  Is it worth time and effort, and where did you find the best places to get the names and addresses???

... in response to Letter Writing????, posted by casinobill on May 20, 2001

I recently married a great lady from Peru, we met through letter writing. Before we met, I ordered some addresses from SOTB/Latin Match. Got several responses. Then I placed my own personal ad with SOTB. My ad appeared in about 20 agencies in various cities in LA. In the six months or so that the ad ran, I received around 50 responses, most from very attractive, well educated ladies. All seemed very sweet. I didn't have any of the bad experiences with writing that Ron says he had. Guess he was just unlucky.
  My wife and I actually met through a site called Kiss.com. It's not an agency, it's a personal ad site that has people from all over the world. Type in South America into their search, and you will find more ladies than you could ever meet.

... in response to Re: Letter Writing????, posted by Red Clay on May 20, 2001

Good tip on that kiss.com site.  Cheap rates, easy connect, and lots of ladies.  Appears to be a first-rate service.  Another viable avenue among all the others: tours, intro agencies, referrals, random meeting, photo/letter clubs, etc.  Thanks for that tip.

... in response to Re: Re: Letter Writing????, posted by buzzy on May 21, 2001

I messed with that two, ended up corresponding with a Peruvian lady; not a bad service...but, by the time she wrote me, it was to late...I had already fallen for Beatriz...:-)

Mike

... in response to Kiss.com, posted by JunFan68 on May 21, 2001

Something interesting about kiss.com......the bio-info that the ladies write about themselves appears exactly as it was written-no translation or other "improvements". If they speak broken English, what you read from them is ....broken English. Kind of cute, but sometimes kind of sad, depending upon what they write about their situation.

... in response to Kiss.com, posted by JunFan68 on May 21, 2001

All's well that ends well! Congrats, if I haven't already, or even if I have.

... in response to Re: Letter Writing????, posted by Red Clay on May 20, 2001

I did the same thing Red Clay did, i placed an ad at singles site on web. I posted my singles ad on Americansingles.com instead going through an agency. I too found a Peruvian lady, they go to internet cafe's a lot in Peru. Then i communitcated by chatting on line with her on MSN, its faster than mail. I still send cards and couple letters and talk on phone some, but for most part i chat on line with her. :) Golden

... in response to Re: Letter Writing????, posted by Red Clay on May 20, 2001

I did the same thing Red Clay did, i placed an ad at singles site on web. I posted my singles ad on Americansingles.com instead going through an agency. I too found a Peruvian lady, they go to internet cafe's a lot in Peru. Then i communitcated by chatting on line with her on MSN, its faster than mail. I still send cards and couple letters and talk on phone some, but for most part i chat on line with her. :) Golden

... in response to Letter Writing????, posted by casinobill on May 20, 2001

When I firt started out, I did the letter thing with Latin Magic.   Never had one return.  It was as if none got there, or the post office guys in Colombia were opening them up to see if money was in them. Then I went to SOTB, and started writing, got responces, went down to meet some, but they were all lying right from the start about everything.  I wasted more money on females with this agency then any other.  But they do have the best prices on phone cards to Colombia.  Yeh !!!   Then I tried the personial add route, and everything I was looking for, and put down, .......it was the opposite that wrote back to me.  It was as if my BIO was written backwards.   I like long hair, but the girls with short hair wrote. I wanted thin and on the tall side, but the short and fat ones wrote.   I wanted someone that was never married before, but the divorced women wrote.  I didn`t want a woman with children, but the ones with children wrote.  Even when you think you found a good thing thru letters, be careful !!!!!!!!........everyone that I went to see started her lies thru letters !!!!   I`ve been burnt too many times thru their lies.   That`s what I`m trying to learn now !!!!.....how do you separate them, to find an Honest & sincere one.  They all write that they are honest, sincere, kind, caring, thoughful.....Blaa !, Blaa!,BLAAAAA......but that`s far from the truth. The one thing I learnt fast, and cost me dearly, is:........if one of these Latinas push you,or try to rush you,.... even in a nice way to come down ???.......stop writing to her !!!!!   Run as fast as you can away from that one. RUN FOR YOUR LIFE !!!!!!!! That was one of my "ROOKIE" mistakes !!!  Got court in that one a few times, before I learned that.  Lots of money wasted.  And even when you think you got it down,....they`ll still burn you !!!   Alot of these girls are good,....and you better not forget that.  Every guy is a "Chump" to a beautiful face. And these girls will use their beauty to get what "they" want.   There are good ones out there, but where ????????.....let me know when you find them.  OH, another thing I learned was to have a PLAN "B" if you go visit one,..... don`t be afraid to tell her to get lost, either, if you find out she isn`t what she said she was.  Another "ROOKIE" mistake.  After cutting a few  trips short because of all their lies, I should have gone to an agency in that city and paid the fee to meet their women, instead of getting mad, and jumping on the next flight home.   For alittle more money, and I was already there, I could have been meeting other Latin women in that city, and who knows what could have happened.  I could have had some fun.  "ROOKIE" mistakes has cost me thousands of wasted dollars !!!!!     Hope this helps.

... in response to Re: Letter Writing????, posted by Ron on May 20, 2001

Ron,

You should clarify a few things so the guys will have a better understanding of what happened.

1.  How many ladies did you write to through Latin Magic?  If it's only a handfull, it's not a very good sample size to judge anything by.  When I was corresponding, I was sending out letters to 30-40 ladies per shot and getting 5 or 6 replies. If you only write to 4-5, chances are not good of getting any replies.  That goes double if you're writing to the really young sexy ones.  It also depends on how you write and what you have to offer.  I remember when I started.  I thought I'd be getting responses from every lady.  I was 34 years old, 5'11", 170lbs, in great shape, an engineer, knew decent Spanish, and only moderately ugly. I had been going out with some pretty attractive American women lately also.  I assumed everyone else was the 55 year-old bald type with a big beer belly.  I was wrong.

2.  How many ladies did you meet through the SOTB writing?  You mentioned "some" and that "they were all lying".

3.  Could you let us know what exactly each of them was lying about?

I traveled to meet 4 ladies (only one each time).  I found that one of them MAY have lied.  Her bio was off by ten years.  She said that TLC must have made a mistake entering her age.  It's possible.  I just wonder why your experience was so different than mine.  Perhaps some details can shed light on it.

... in response to Re: Letter Writing????, posted by Ron on May 20, 2001

Oops...too late!

Ron, you need to chill awhile, before you make ANY more trips ANYWHERE! The soil in your garden isn't ready for the seeds of love. Therefore, anything you plant, will yield nothing but weeds. It should be very clear to you you by now, that you've painted yourself in a corner here.
No one needs to justify your demands success or failure.
Life is like that you know...No total failures or successes. BTW...I got lucky my first time down. I also did my "check-up from the neck-up" BEFORE, I REPEAT, BEFORE, I went down. There were ways you could have graceously excused yourself from your incidents. But you chose to run & now rant here...

Chill for awhile dude....Hoda

... in response to Re: Letter Writing????, posted by Ron on May 20, 2001

Ron sounds like you had some bad experiences dude? we have all been burnt a time or two , so dont feel like the lone ranger. it does sound like you have learned from your experiences . hang in there.

... in response to Re: Re: Letter Writing????, posted by pack on May 20, 2001

Pack,.......Thanks !!!......I want to learn all I can before I go down there next time.  I`m learning more from the people who tell you the "truth" about what happened to them, then the ones who just "brag" about it all.  It`s happened to them too,(that`s for sure).....they just don`t want to tell you.  "Image", I guess ???  I want to know why some say,... some agencies is good, when other`s say the same one rots.  Some are saying it`s "over priced",...when others are telling you,.."It`s a great price !"  If a guy comes on this board and says he was ripped off by an agency,.......I would like to know why, and which one !!!!      It`s a hard way to learn the ropes,......and it`s a very expence way ....too.   Maybe we can get Michel B. to pay for our next trips !!......he seems to think this is so easy, and we shouldn`t feel bad after spending 3K, or more on each failed trip.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Letter Writing????, posted by Ron on May 21, 2001

Yep, people here tend to be kind of defensive. Also. even "bad" agencies have good women as members, just as "good" agencies have "bad" women.

The one agency owner, that has gotten the most bashing, for being overpriced, rude, and running an"escort agency", used to get defended from time to time by one gentleman on the LWL.

Now, I don't remember many positive things said about this "gentleman", but this one guy, used to sort of defend him. Wanna guess where that guy met his wife?

If some have bad luck at an agency, but other's met their wives there, it is only normal to see differing opinions.

Also, may times we give the agencies way too much credit and blame. Agencies introduce you to women, the rest is up to you! I would put more thought into what you are going to do, than what agencies will do for you.

... in response to Why?, posted by Ralph on May 21, 2001

I agree with you, Ralph.  THere are good, and bad....everywhere, and they come in every shape and size, and color.    This whole thing started by just asking where you could find and "Honest & Sincere" Latin Women.  I know there`s "Honest & Sincere" ones out there, but I just can`t find them. And away this whole thing went, into everything,.....where  even some guy  makes a statement that all Colombian men are liars, to defend the Colombian women,....I guess. Alot of this stuff isn`t my doing.  But we both know that can`t be true.  I would still like to know how to find that out.   Us guys wouldn`t be looking for Latinas, if we could have found an American women, right ???    We`re all sick of them, that`s why we`re seeking Latinas, because we read some agencies headlines that Latin women are what we are looking for. Yes !!!.....we are looking for what they say !!!   They say what every guy wants to hear about the way women should be !!!      Then why do they act like American Women, when you go down there to meet them ??? You will be sick of them, too......when you get them home, after spending all that money,.....and they start acting like the American females, do.  But when they are already doing it, before you even get them home ?????  YIKES !!!!   I just had a string of them in a row,....that`s all.   Maybe I got smart on this last trip I was going to take !!    I took my the money I had for the trip, and put it on a Harley !!  Best move I made for this summer !!!!!!!

... in response to Why?, posted by Ralph on May 21, 2001

Success is far more dependent on the man than the agency.

... in response to Good advice, posted by Patrick on May 21, 2001

Hey Patrick, I have emailed you a  few times and gotten no response. If the answer is no, just tell me. I'm a big boy;-)

... in response to Do you check your email;-), posted by Ralph on May 22, 2001

I've only been checking email sporatically since December, when my home system on which I run the business side of things melted down, taking hundreds of hours of programming with it.  I don't even respond to banner advertisers at the moment.  I hope to have everything restored soon and will once again start reading email once it's all done.

... in response to Re: Do you check your email;-), posted by Patrick on May 23, 2001

I sent in a request for link exchange a while back. Had no idea you were having such trouble. Good luck getting it back up and running.

... in response to Re: Letter Writing????, posted by Ron on May 20, 2001

You weren't very clear the first time. They ALL lied to you? How sad. As for what would have happened if you went to an agency? They would have all lied to you also. Sounds to me like Sister Margret from Saint Marry's Accemedy would have lied to you.
Yeah, that's it Ron, they're all lying b*&^%$, right?.

I used to work with a guy who had been divorced thirteen (13, count em!) times and he sounded a lot like you, and it was NEVER his fault either.

... in response to Tell us how you feel, Ron, posted by Michael B on May 20, 2001

If you could read Michel B., and read what I wrote, I have said very clear this is what I`ve been thru.   This is what I have been thru, and there seems to be the same pattern from them, over, and over.  If you got lucky,.......that`s cool !!    But if you could read,......I have been saying that they all can`t be like this !!!, and still trying to find a nice one........but maybe you can`t understand English. If this isn`t a place to tell each other what we have been thru, then why don`t you make up stories about how you`re the "big stud" when it comes to landing Colombian women, and you can get anyone you want, or how many you got when you went down there,  and all the other crap you have to offer this site.

... in response to Re: Tell us how you feel, Ron, posted by Ron on May 20, 2001

I can read, write, speak and understand English quite well, with maybe an occasional spelling error. Apparently I read English much better than you, since I never wrote that I was a big stud, nor that I had more than one woman, nor that I could get anyone I wanted. In fact, I never claimed to have even been in that country, nor any other "crap".

I do know why all the women lie to you....but it won't do you any good to tell, because you won't beleive me or fifteen other guys until you figure it out for yourself. When you do get it, the women will quit lying to you.

And for telling you that, you should pay for MY trip.

... in response to You just TOLD us why they lie to you. Th..., posted by Michael B on May 21, 2001

I can hear your mind saying,...."if this guy would be honest  with them, then they would be honest with him".  Am I right ???   If not,....I`m sorry for thinking that you were thinking this. Really.    You tell me, Michael B., and get your 15 friends to vote on it, OK ?   What are the chances for having it all work out on the first time down ?? What would be the chances for having it work on the second time down ???    Could the same thing happen two times ???   Could it happen three times ????   I don`t know how many times Houndog went down before he found his wife. Can you tell us Houndog ????    Like the rest of us,...you are looking for someone that doesn`t have the additude of an American women,......but it would be interesting to hear their side of the story as they tell everyone how they did you wrong,......and it was never your fault.   To make this very clear to evryone on this board, I ask you:   "If a Latin Women tells you she has children, and you "find out" when you get there, was she lying to you ?"   Just let your answer be "YES", or "NO" !  Just one simple question for you, so everyone knows how you think, and how I think.  Simple enough, don`t you say ?????    Answer this one too: "If she never told you that she was on drugs, and had breakdowns till you got there, was she lying to you ?"  Just a simple "YES", or "NO".   Just answer these two simple questions.

... in response to Tell us how you feel, Ron, posted by Michael B on May 20, 2001

wait a minute michael give the guy a chance to tell his story. Ron , it would be better if you were a little more specific , give us more details . mikes right you just cant start calling them all liars , tell the story .

... in response to Re: Tell us how you feel, Ron, posted by pack on May 20, 2001

Lying to me would be like :   you have how many kids ??? (when you get there) !!!!      Another would be:  Forgot to tell you I take drugs, and had 2 break downs !!!!!    Hows......you and the picture don`t look the same........there`s about 30 more pounds on you !!!     Hows:.....you want to bring who ????........you mean the whole family ????   And....."You mean my house isn`t big enough ?"     How`s this one???  "So I left everything in the taxi,....Don`t worry !!!.....you buy me new things!!" HEY !!!.....If you`re not "Honest & Sincere" with someone,.....then you`re lying to them !!!!!    That simple to me.  Hey Pack,........I`m still waiting for Houndog to tell me ( and us Rookies)how many thousands of dollars he wasted, before he found the right one.   He won`t tell me.   Can you be "HONEST"  Houndog ???  Asked him three times now.  Now that`s strange.  Also,....Houndog,......it was you who said that you had a "void" in your life !!!!.......not me.    I`m looking for someone to share in my life.  Different motives I guess, but that does make either one wrong....so you know !

... in response to Re: Re: Tell us how you feel, Ron, posted by Ron on May 20, 2001

man, with all due respect, you gotta wise up a little bit, or you are gonna get taken for a ride in any country you happen to be in.

some women lie in every country, this one, that one! it doesn't matter.

look, in this world, you have to be the master of your own destiny. you control the details of your daily actions, not some hot babe you just met. if some women lies to you and spends your cash, and you let her, then it is your fault!

o.k., maybe the first time in life that a woman takes you for a ride, it's her fault. we were all once young, trusting and not to smart. and we have all been burned before in our lives. but you get smart or you lose again.

you gotta get tough in life. you control who spends your money, not some woman. you go on like some love sick teenage girl, "oh, she took me for this, she took me for that, i wasted all this money and no sweet girl".

well welcome to the real world!

these women don't want a softie, they want a strong man and a sensitive man, but they want it in one person! just like we want sweet AND attractive. but you have to play hard ball in life, or you will get taken every time.

i have read a few of your posts, and you sure whine a lot about what a victim you are. well, take control of the situation, 'cause in life people will always lie to you, even the ones closest to you sometimes. if you haven't figured that out, then you haven't lived long enough.

maybe you should put this columbian thing on hold for a while until you mature in life, and learn a few things about the real world, because you just might find what you think you are looking for down there, get married, and then you would really have something to whine about.

bret

... in response to uhh...hello?????, posted by bret on May 21, 2001

Hello-o-oooo, to you too !    Rookies, aren`t wise.....don`t you know that ?  Trying to learn the ropes, as they say.  Hey Bret,.....I guess you haven`t found your Miss Right, either ?  How many times have you gone down ???In the beginning,.....I got court up in the believing what the Agencies  say about these women, that`s all.  Go to any Web site, as you`ve been and read what they tell you about them !!!    Doesn`t it sound wonderful ????   It did for me, and for you too,I guess......or you wouldn`t be here, or looking at Latin women yourself.  I know people lie, in all countries,......but it`s a "choice" someone makes to do, or not. These women,....the way they are written up,...aren`t suppose to be like this, remember ?????    Are you saying that these women will lie to "wimps", and not to "Real men" ? So they will use the guys that are kind, and nice to them, if that`s a wimp to you ???......and not use the ones that are tough, and in control  ????     If that is it,.....then that tells me alot about them.   I thank you for that bit of information.   The tapes I listened to from these agencies,......the women were always saying that they love a man that is tender, and shows respect, and......(well, you know what they say !).......so I`ve had the wrong approach to all of this.    I wonder why they made that tape, then ????? The Agency wouldn`t lie to us, would they ?   I have to call these agencies and tell them that.   THe women don`t really mean what they say on the tapes.    I don`t mind taken the "hits", from you guys,......I`ll be ready the next time down, that`s for sure. (smile)  Houndog !!!........how much money did you waste again ???........and how many trips down ????   I`ve been waiting, and asking you, a bunch of times now.  And be "honest" with me, OK  !   You`ve been the full route in all of this....(the "goods, and the bads", the "ups & downs")!!!........so tell me the truth, if you`re going to answer.   Are you going to answer ????

... in response to Re: uhh...hello?????, posted by Ron on May 21, 2001

See above "Check yourself, before you wreck yourself". Your rantings are showing that the problem is not just with the women you are meeting

Relax dude....

... in response to Re: uhh...hello?????, posted by Ron on May 21, 2001

When Brett & Houndog agree on something (anything) ...YOU...SHOULD Listen Closely...Carefully...even write it down..!!!

My fiancee and I are going to lunch...after she gets up off my lap...soooooooooooooooo...NONE of it was wasted..!!!!!

Houndog

... in response to uhh...hello?????, posted by bret on May 21, 2001

Well you finally pleasantly surprised me. I agree with your statements and perspectives.

They DO want both in the same person. Most want a smart strong guy that they feel safe with. Many women pull 'their stuff' to see if the guy is smart enough, strong enough and in control enough to make a good partner for them.

Most women don't want a victim or a wimp...they want a Man.

Houndog

... in response to Letter Writing????, posted by casinobill on May 20, 2001

dear Sir:

  I prefer visiting the ladies in their country.  I never was successful when I wrote the ladies.  Either they never responsed after I wrote to them or they stopped writing after a period of time or I stopped writing to them.

                               LArry in Dallas

... in response to Letter Writing????, posted by casinobill on May 20, 2001

well i dont know if you could call it a great response but i started a letter writing campaign about a month age , sent out 35 letters and have recieved 5 responses. i think most of the agencies will sell you addresses.

... in response to Re: Letter Writing????, posted by pack on May 20, 2001

from what i have heard several guys on this board have been very successful with letter writing , hound , jesse and several others, im doing o k for a beginner.

... in response to Letter Writing????, posted by casinobill on May 20, 2001

You will do yourself a BIG FAVOR, by reading the archives. There are MANY success stories there from all the many ways of being successful. And a few horror stories that give a glimpse into how to fail bigtime.

I met thru writing, after visiting an agency first.

Personaly I think the key is to develop 'any good plan', then go get your feet wet. After the intial Baptism into this 'Process", one can then alter/modify the plans according to individual needs/tastes/choices/constriants. There have been success and failure stories using every concievable method.

Every guy I know that has been successful has put
"A LOT" of effort into finding "That Special One" from the literaly thousands of choices.

Done properly considering the life altering effects of a decision like "marriage" warrants, one can find not only a woman of his dreams he loves, but one that truly loves him back.

Bueana Suerte, HD