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never did hear from LLM or L E or LB or several others. i have heard back from L W C and L I , so im gonna focus on those two. im leaning towards L W C because L I has a membership fee , i have already been burnt once by L C ( fool me once shame on you , fool me twice shame on me ) . i think i'll stay at L W C and pay a visit to some of the others like norms , and latin best and maybe L E. anyone gonna be in cali around the first weeks of july ? im thinking on cali from june 30th to about july10th or 11th and then on to brazil for another 10 days . if you are gonna be in either place at those dates maybe we can hook up for a cold one and a little chat?

... in response to response, posted by pack on May 17, 2001

Dear Pack:

   I'll be there.

... in response to Re: response, posted by Larry in Dallas on May 17, 2001

really , excellent ! would like to say hi to ya while we are both down there. where you staying big D at L E or you getting a hotel room ? i havent totally decided where ill be but im leaning towards L W C condo. i do plan on stopping by to say hi to margareth , i like her i wanna talk with her she is a good lady.

... in response to Re: Re: response, posted by pack on May 17, 2001

Dear Pack:

   I won't be in Cali very much.  I am getting married then going to the san andreas island, then to bogota and then back to Cali.  I doubt if I will be in cali until th 15th of july, but who knows.
   By the way, I e-mailed margareth for you and she is waiting.

                                      Thanks,

                                      Larry in Dallas

... in response to Re: Re: Re: response, posted by Larry in Dallas on May 18, 2001

thanks for emailing margareth for me, i'll email her tonight. i do plan on stopping by to say hi to margareth if you are there we can talk , if i dont see you have a good trip.

... in response to response, posted by pack on May 17, 2001

You should give International Lady Introductions a try.  He`s one that will tell you like it is !!  He won`t "BS" you, and he "will" call you back.  On his tours, he teams up with TLC on these parties, and at the last one in Cali there were over a 1000 women there.(pictures to show it)   Now that should keep you focused !!!!  He is a real nice guy, and isn`t afraid to tell you the truth about all of this match making stuff.    He just saved me a bunch of money by telling me to back off from this women I was going to go see in Colombia.  Glad I did !!!!.....the only thing this girl wanted was a place to hold her family.  It seems that a 1500 suare foot house wasn`t large enough for her. I should have listened to him when I went to see a girl in Peru, but I didn`t !!   What a waste of money that was, and was only to-o-o-ooo  glad to get home.  This Ray has got a pretty good insight on the women.  And remember this,.....he`s there for you, so he`s on your side, instead of the women`s,......which I like.   His number is (toll free)   1-888-313-2133.    Give him a try, I really thing you will like this guy, and his approach to it all.

... in response to Re: response, posted by Ron on May 17, 2001

ron, thanks for the info!

... in response to response, posted by pack on May 17, 2001

Luz, the owner of LB, returned every email i sent to her within one day

remember that email to Colombia may not be reliable every day

so you have received responses from agencies whose owners are in america and are using american isp services

I never considered LLM or LE because of membership fees and "other" reasons

I think LI has some of the most beautiful women on its web site, but they still charge membership fees, so i passed on them also

I head to cali, 50 hours from now
first week at LWC ($35 a day)
second week at Norms ($35 a day)
and a 7 day membership at Latin Best ($50 a week),
somewhere in there

I also emailed alegrate.com
the web site looks nice
they charge $60 a day
but the owner did not email me for a month and i had already made my decisions, i dont think they offer a weekly membership

BTW I'll be in Brazil June 29 to July 14

... in response to Re: response, posted by jesse on May 17, 2001

hi jesse, how ya doin these days? you have been very helpful throughout my search, i appreciate it , thanks . so 50 hours and counting...you lucky dog! wish i was going with you.your plan sounds very good and makes sense. i will probably do something similar to what you are doing , LWC is looking good to me right now, norm ...i dont know still havent heard from him? L B is worth checking out while im there. what city will you be staying at in brazil ? will you visit a agency while you are in brazil? jesse have a safe and fun trip and dont forget to give us a trip report when you return.

... in response to Re: Re: response, posted by pack on May 17, 2001

i have purchased about 150 brazilian addys from Latin Euro
i have about 15 who said they wanted to meet me
of that i want to see about 5 to 8

be careful about the pics , some of them are old
i always asked them to send me new pics
and the differences can be dramatic - both good and bad

i fly into rio and out of sao paulo
i will purchase a brazil air pass which gives me 5 cities to to visit
i'm still sorting it out
for sure aracajo and forteleza in the north

can visit 2 more
and end up in sao paulo

there are 3 agencies in sao paulo
agencies not B&B

i dont plan on using them as i hope to have my dance card filled

some other guys are trying to go just for a week, and just to sao paulo, so they may use the agency

... in response to Re: Re: Re: response, posted by Jesse on May 17, 2001

wow! what a great schedule you have , cali , then several cities in brazil.....excellent trip! i look forward to hearing your trip report. i think that i had mentioned i have some friends a family ( husband , wife and two daughters ) they tell me you are gonna love forteleza , the husband told me the women are beautiful there and very friendly. they told me sau paulo is good except its a zoo something like 19 million people , they said sometimes you cant even walk in the malls they are so crowded. it sounds like you are hitting all the right places. i also went with latineuro and chose 25 from brazil and 10 from colombia , so far i have heard from 3 brazil and 1 in cali.good advice to get updated photos of the ladies i did that too. wow , didnt know there were 3 agencies in sau paulo , i had heard of one thats very popular there lots of girls im told. hey jesse do you have the adresses or email or phone to any of these agencies in sau paulo? so you are down to what about 30 hours and counting?

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: response, posted by pack on May 17, 2001

Marlu and Brazilkontakt

these are 2 of the 3
thats all i know about them

the owner on latin euro also knows one, but he wants about $100 to tell you the name

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: response, posted by jesse on May 18, 2001

thanks again jesse , yea the owner of euro told me he would give me the name of the sau paulo agency for $150. i was going to do it but now like you im starting to recieve letters and emails and phone calls from girls in cali and brazil . in fact i just got a call from a girl in sau paulo about 20 minutes ago, what a sweetie she is! so jesse whats the count down about 5 hours and counting? have a good trip !

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: response, posted by pack on May 18, 2001

Hey Pack,.....you got a Latin women to call you ????   Yikes !!   Lucky you !!..... I couldn`t even get them to send me a Birthday Card with all the stuff I gave them. I must be digging in the wrong well, or something.   THey only want "green cards" from me.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: response, posted by Ron on May 18, 2001

yea a lot of them only want green cards , you gotta watch out , look for red flags . i started sending out letters and emails at the suggestion of hound and several other guys on this board and so far its paying off , recieved 4 contacts from brazil and one from cali . two of the brazil babes call me or email me every day. they are sooooosweet! however dont forget i havent had the chance to meet them in person yet , so who knows what the future holds?

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: response, posted by pack on May 18, 2001

Lucky you Pack.  I couldn`t get one Latina to ever spend a dime on me.  It was always,..."give me", "give me", "give me" !   After 7 months with one, I couldn`t even get her to go out and buy a Birthday Card to send to me.  Yes, you have to be very careful.  Visited one girl, and it was then I found out about children !!!   Yikes !!!!    Had to cut that trip off real short.   Another one loved spending my money, but it was cute the way she did it !!! (only kiddin`)   It was "one for us" (to spend),.....and "One for me".....which went in her pocket.   I love the "Honest & Sincere" type !!!    I wish there was a better way to find out the truth before you go down and waste all that money.  I still haven`t learnt that yet.  I haven`t tried any of the party routes, yet.  I still have this thing in my head, that it`s like a "meat market", and I don`t want to look at it that way.  But it`s a bummer to be used, and used, by them......that`s for sure.   Maybe I keep finding the ones that were hurt, and used, by other American guys,.....and they only want to get even by hurting someone from America. Who knows how the mind works.  Men have been trying to understand females, know matter where they come from, since the beginning of time,....and they still can`t please them, or understand them.    Have fun shopping !!!!

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: resp..., posted by Ron on May 18, 2001

well im sure there are women all over colombia that will use a man but i know there are women here that will do the same thing and worse....so i'll take my chances in SA , i think the odds are better for a good relationship in SA as opposed to north america.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ..., posted by pack on May 18, 2001

Agree !!!.......I`ll give it one more shot as far as a trip goes.   Just heard back from the guy at Latin Love Mates.  Check his site, out !!!!   If you want girls with long beautiful hair from Cali, check out the 24-29 range.    Some of the most beautiful women I`ve ever seen in one place.   Please don`t look at the ones I fell in love with, OK ???  (smile) Just check out the first 5 galleries.   In the fist gallery, check out Magnolia, Gloria, and Martha.....and in the second one you will have Nhora, Cecilia, or Carmen...and then there`s Anna in Gal 4, Ingrid in 5,....and if you really want to hurt !!!.....and can handle a 31 year old, check out Lina in the first Gallery of the 30-35 year olds.   OUCH !!!!     Any of them would look real good on the back of my Harley.   That might be a place to go for Happy Huntings !!!!!

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ..., posted by Ron on May 19, 2001

hi ron, well about L L M i have checked out their web several times and you are right they do have nice looking ladies. i have decided against LLM for several reasons #1 they are still the old type model of agency in cali and by that i mean they have a high membership fee , i think guys at least guys on this board are to smart for that. #2 i have sent them numerous emails with no response from them , so i assume they are asleep at the wheel or they do not need my business bad enough to return a email. #3 im not sure what it is about this company but they just strike me as a little mysterious , let me explain , i have never met a person that has used their services , i have never seen a trip report on them , i have never seen any sort of chat about them on this board or anywhere else , just to quiet for me, makes me uneasy. i still find myself leaning towards L W C , norms , and Latin Best ....however i am always searching , who knows whats around the next corner.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ..., posted by pack on May 19, 2001

Interesting information, you have .   I just got an e-mail back from a Ryan Hemingway who runs the place(LLM), I guess.   I was asking lots of questions about his agency there, and what makes his girls different from the others. I gave him some examples of what I`ve been thru, and was looking for the "Honest & Sincere" type, and was tired of playing these stupid lying games I`ve been going thru with the other agency girls. He wants me to call him, and he wants to tell me about his agency, and his girls.  He said he could set me up to meet hundreds of beautiful women......(but that`s what they all say) !!    If you have the time, check out International Lady introductions, and his tours,......... he teams up with TLCworldwide.com (that will bring you to that site) and they put some big parties on where 800 girls showed up at there Cali party.   I would think at some point, that too many females can create a problem where you really  end up meeting none, because there are just too many to look at.  I like the B&B route for sleeping because it`s half the price of the Hotels they have down there.  It`s $50, instead of $100 per night.  I guess that the membership fee pays for all the girls to eat, and the rental of the halls etc.  I just don`t want to go down again without a plan B.   I`ll try to find out as much information as I can when I talk to this guy, and let you know what I found out.   He does have some beautiful women on his site, that`s for sure,.....and I never saw them on any other site, either.   He`s got the best looking so far.  I did find out some real good info, and that the over all business has dropped  50% in men going down to Colombia, because of our economy slumping, and the guys don`t have the extra money to take these fun trips down.  THere`s been alot of these agencies closing up to,....so we all better watch our deposit, or who we give it to.  I remember that alot of guys on this board talked of a guy named Ed, and some called him an ex-CIA drunk, who had a place called Latin Connections,(I think) but it isn`t around anymore. Is the guy who has Latin Women Connections,part of the same outfit, or new one  ???? I just got to stay away from Bogota,.....been burnt two times now.  I guess you keep looking, right.   Tell me your thoughts about the Internatioal Lady & TLC tour.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ..., posted by Ron on May 19, 2001

ron, i dont know never was really interested in the tour thing. i like to travel by myself or with one or two friends , make my own arrangements and begin hunting. im really anti membership fee since the whole latin connections thing.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ..., posted by Ron on May 19, 2001

tell me more about Bogota, Ive been thinking about going there. I could use all the help I can get!

Bill

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ..., posted by casinobill on May 20, 2001

Bill,......when the guys on this board tell you that the women from this part are this way, and the ones from this city are a different way,.......take note of it. Now,...We all know that they all can`t fit that mold, but......  My experience with Bogota women is that they are like our American women, telling "you" the way it will be.   It`s like they have this additude that you will be lucky to get me, even thou I don`t have much (or anything).  One told me that my 1500 square foot house wasn`t big enough for her, and she`s living in a rented place with a total of two rooms.  I guess it was a bathroom, and everything else.  Bogota women, I guess like all women,....love to have you spend lots of money on them !   They must think that every American guy is rich, or something !   I was just going down to see another one, this June, (stupid me !!!)from there, and I was going to use my down payment for my new Harley, and found out thru someone that she only uses guys to take her on vacations.  I was going to fly her up to Cartagena too, and meet her there for 10 days.  Good thing I listen to that person,....because my Harley`s coming in next week, and have stopped writing to that girl , and it took me over 7 months of writing to find out what she was all about,....so you have to be careful,....and I`ll be the first to say I still haven`t got it down, and I still can`t find the answers to all of this, either.  If you like the noice of cars, trucks, buses,and lots of people, and everything else that goes along with cities(cough-cough !!!! from the fumes)......maybe you`ll like the city.  A city is a city to me.  Don`t make a difference if it`s Bogota, Lima, London, Paris, New York, Boston..........too much noice for me,....I `ll take the ocean. Lima was real bad with the fumes from the buses, and trucks,...and the non stop blowing of the horns.  Everyone loves to blow their car, truck horns,....even thru the night.    But the agencies are mostly in the city.   So my problem is trying to find a girl, with a "country girl heart", that is living in the city,..........which doesn`t seem to exist.  Maybe there`s a way to get in, find the women of your dreams, and get out, real quick.   I haven`t been that lucky, yet.  So the good thing that happened on this "last trip" is that I got a new Harley !!!!!!   And what a beauty she is, too !!! (smile)   And she`s an American, too !!!!    Can you believe that ?????  (talkin` about my Harley-Davidson, now )   (Ha-Ha)   I think it will be one beautiful summer this year !!!     Have fun hunting !

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ..., posted by Ron on May 20, 2001

it is true that a lot of these colombian women think we (americans) have a lot of money, they probably watch to much american t v ? example : i'll try to make a long story short. have a friend lives close to me , he married a calena , and all through thier courtship he told her he was a man of moderate income ( makes about $35,000. a year) he told her up front we will live a simple life , do you understand? si si i understand. well once she arrived here the demands began , credit card , driving lessons , car , college courses , cloths , trips , and now she wants to bring her mother up here. the poor guy is losing it , going in debt, and worried, doesnt know what to doabout it all . so you see all these colombianas ar not humble , shy little girls, some can take you to the bank just like the AW can. however i also believe that your chances of finding the right girl is better in cali  as opposed to bogota , i think the cali girl can go crazy with the credit card because she has never had it before , where as the bogota girl goes crazy with the credit card because she has had it before and expects its now from you.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ..., posted by pack on May 20, 2001

OUCH !!!!!     That`s one of the problems with alot of these Latin women....big time!!!  Some how,.... some one told them that they can trade off, or make deals with the guy that asks them to marry them.  If you give me this, and if you give me that, on & on their list goes !!!!!!!.....they think they are doing you a favor by them say "YES" to you. I don`t need that crap from someone.  Even the Bible says that you leave your family to make your own.  The husband is suppose to be number one in their lives, as she is to you. Even before children,......but that doesn`t happen, either.   The man really gets beat up !!!  I better get myself fixed so no kids will come about. (smile)  Matter of fact, it`s happening to a friend of mine too !!!....I want kids, I want education, I want new car, I want trips to see momma every month, I want !!!   I want !!!!   I want !!!!  ....and the record plays on & on !  Oh well,...to each his own.  MAybe we should be looking in the mountains of Colombia ??   Do you know of any agencies in the Andes ???   Would those women have teeth ???

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ..., posted by Ron on May 20, 2001

Hey Ron,

Thanks for the great insights..  I was considering selling off the 1980 Z-28 I'm restoring to finance this endeavor.  She has t-tops I'm ready to open up and cruise..  It was completely stripped inside and out and is primered, bored out and built up 350, built up 350 automatic and a 4:11 posi rear end. I think I'll cruise the summer and work on my Spanish, continue my research and travel in the fall.

Hey did you ever make the trip to Cali?? If so, was it really any different?

Bill

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ..., posted by casinobill on May 20, 2001

Bill,....looks like we need to start a new column.....running on the outside, very close to the wall. (smile)    So you like Z`s ???   Ready for this ??   I`m working on getting a 1969 Z-28 for a friend, with a 302, that has never been used, in mint condition.   Do you know what that engine is worth, alone ????    More then a few Latina trips !!!..that`s for sure.   Like you, I will be having fun on the Harley, this summer and fall, instead of going down for the Latin women. They`re starting to give me a headache, like American women do.  All these agencies talk how they suppose to be "old fashion", and how they suppose to be this & that,..........but you can`t find any of them.I need a rest from them, and then start off in the fall with a better additude.  This time I`m going to approach it with a ...."What can you do, or offer, me ?" additude.  I don`t need to hear, "your house isn`t big enough"......from someone who doesn`t own anything. Or when they leave all that you brought them in the taxi, they say,....."No problem,.....you just buy me new ones !"  I found some real winners !!!!!!    TO Cali, I have never been, but from all the photos I`ve looked at so far, the girls look to be the prettiest,.....but I wish I could see there "HEARTS",......and Cartagena seems to be the prettiest city.......so I still need to think it out. But this summer I am going to have fun riding in the warm summer wind.   I wonder if Latin women are like American women, and when the ring goes on......the bike leaves !!! No way !!!!!!    Ain`t going that route !!    Going to make sure the little Latina likes to do the same things I like to do, that`s for sure.   So, like you,....I`m going to keep searching, and trying to learn more on how "not" to be used !!!!  (fat chance)......keep checking out the agencies, and see what the fall brings.  Maybe more chrome for the Harley !!!!   (smile)   Was up to Laconia last year after the meeting, but they said there were over 250,000 Harley`s up there.   That had to be one super place to be, you think ???   That sounds better then a room full of Latin women at one of those parties. You tell me !...the sound of 200 Harley`s purr--rrrrring, or the sound of 200 females, in one room, all talking about their hair, their nails, their clothes, their new perfume, what some guy did to them, etc. ???     Yikes !!!...better not say to much, might get myself in trouble.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ..., posted by Ron on May 20, 2001

ron , if any woman american , colombian , whatever , says to you your house isnt big enough! IMMEDIATELY leave, walk away , split ,relocate , move on , buz off , go away! this is a red flag! you can never make this woman happy.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ..., posted by pack on May 20, 2001

Guys,

A little about what got me started on all this.... I recently concluded a thing with a Chinese Natl who I had met at work (casino). I work there, she was playing there. We were only involved for a couple of months, but I heard about my townhouse, the waterbed, etc,etc.

I started finding out that she had already seen too much of the BIG money in the US, she started in the Seattle are. I then find out she is working to a deadline!  Regulation 245I (INS), She had to get married by May 1st or go back to China!!!!!!!!!  How do you spell GREEN CARD????

Maybe she was sincere and given time it might have worked out, but I was not about to commit on a deadline like this.  I learned a lot about the Chinese and their culture, and don't eat Chinese food anymore!  I have always appreciated Latin Culture and people, got on the net, and here I am.  

I guess I'm going to date myself now, I had a brand new 69 Z-28 302, would now be worth $30,000.  If Ive learned anything from my research so far.  You gotta know yourself first, real well.  Put together a plan and a realistic list of what you are looking for and more importantly what you are bringing to the table.  Then, stay focused!!!!

Bill