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Just before the complete thread about brasilian women was deleted [Edited by board moderator:  Post was actually archived, and can be found in archive042 or directly here.]

Several important issues were raised which i'll answer now.

1- 'All my friends must be ugly'

The 30 or so people I know or associated with varied from 21 year old blonde scandanavians to 65 year old bald fat guys. Basically a good cross section of the population.

2- 'how can I know 30 people'

I can't remember who wrote that line, basically they musn't get out much. I was there for 7-8 months and often hung out in places where gringos meet. To hang out /chat with 30 people over the period is  very low number.

3-' I'm a agency guy trying to get you guys to go to Colombia(words to that affect).

Check my ISP....btinternet (british telecom), ie based in the UK. I guess your answer to that will be that I must be a drug baron who has stolen advanced CIA telecommunications equipment which allows me to hack into some satellite or whatever....just to trick you guys!.

I think you really need to sit back and analyse your thinking, rather than accept that I've been there and had a lot of experience , which I was relaying to you in good faith. However you'd rather generate some 'James Bond' like plot to help maintain you false mental picture of a country.

You quoted carnaval,,,,,its like a Brasilian seeing a Mardi Gras video and thinking all American women run around pulling there blouses up!

4- People shout 'gringo' or abuse in Colombia as well.

In Brasil, it is not a drunk in a bar that says abusive comments. it is just as likely to be a well dressed women in a shopping mall who will pass the comment. In addition to this, the abuse isn't directed at the 'gringo' but the girl who is with him. This highlights another aspect of the Brasilian, they are very shallow. In a similar situation a British girl would tell the abusive person to  go f--k themselves. However in brasil the girl would stop holding your hand and try and pretend she wasn't with you.

Esjay

... in response to Answers to Pack et al : Brasilian women, posted by Esjay on May 5, 2001

Where did you spend most of your time in Rio? I'm sure Rio has it's fair share of "sex tourists". It is possible many Brazilians will assume that both 21 year old scandinavians, and 65 year old bald fat guys, were there to "score".

They might be assuming that any young attractive Brazilian girl with a foreigner is "working".

There is a town in the DR called Boca Chica. During the day it is a great place to hang out. Great beaches etc. I always avoided Boca at night because it was basically overflowing with "working girls". I've only really been in Boac at night with my wife. They have a few nice restaurants and one place that is great for watching US sporting events on satellite.

I am sure many people in Boca assume she is "on the program" because of guilt by association. When we are in Santo Domingo or other towns, nobody even looks twice at us.

... in response to your 4th point, posted by Ralph on May 5, 2001

You hit the nail on the head! In Rio it seems that the locals consider all tourists to be 'sex tourists'. Trying to make head way with normal girls is very difficult as they may think you are confusing them with being 'working'. take the ferry over to Niteroi, the girls are more open there(v.few tourists).

ps Been to the DR several times, Boca Chica ia a pit!

... in response to Re: spot on, thats why its so difficult ..., posted by Esjay on May 5, 2001

Boca could be cool. I like Neptunos. I like the Hamaca. I like the fact that it's only 40 minutes from SD! I like Portofino's in the daytime as it is right on the beach and the owner is from Boston.

I have never spent more than one night there and those nights I was with my lady. We also drive out to near the airport to Pio Pio. They have live Bachatta on the weekend.

If it was closer I obviously would prefer La Romana!

I've never been further north than Santiago, so I can't speak on PP or Sosua etc.

... in response to Boca, posted by Ralph on May 5, 2001

Sosua is full of Germans and whores.  Boca is filled with Italians, French, Canadiens and whores.  while the beaches are nice and you can get some good food, these were my least favorite places in the country.  I like SD.

... in response to Sosua, posted by Traveler on May 5, 2001

I guess I can skip Sosua then. I prefer SD as well, but on those rare occasions I'm in the mood for the beach, Boca is the closest. Boy, do I miss it down there! It's been over two months! It might be a loooonnnggg!!!! Time till I go again.

... in response to Thanks, posted by Ralph on May 6, 2001

but after dark every girl is a prostitute

the boca beach is better than Sosua's as well.

... in response to Boca, posted by Ralph on May 5, 2001

I heard of one good place to meet girls in Santo Domingo(but never actually gotto go there) was on a Thursday night at the Ramada(?) hotel. The deal was that guys paid 20US or so to get in and all drinks are free, however girls get in free and can drink for free also. According to the guys who told me, the ratio was 5 girls to 1 guy. Most of the girls were middle class(ish) and that it was a good place to meet a nice girl.

Been to PP and Sosua, seems to mainly cater for Italians.

Esjay

ps don't you miss those motoconcho drivers?

... in response to Answers to Pack et al : Brasilian women, posted by Esjay on May 5, 2001

Where did you spend most of your time in Rio? I'm sure Rio has it's fair share of "sex tourists". It is possible many Brazilians will assume that both 21 year old scandinavians, and 65 year old bald fat guys, were there to "score".

They might be assuming that any young attractive Brazilian girl with a foreigner is "working".

There is a town in the DR called Boca Chica. During the day it is a great place to hang out. Great beaches etc. I always avoided Boca at night because it was basically overflowing with "working girls". I've only really been in Boac at night with my wife. They have a few nice restaurants and one place that is great for watching US sporting events on satellite.

I am sure many people in Boca assume she is "on the program" because of guilt by association. When we are in Santo Domingo or other towns, nobody even looks twice at us.

... in response to Answers to Pack et al : Brasilian women, posted by Esjay on May 5, 2001

are you for real man . everone and i mean evreyone i personally have spoken with face to face or on the phone or emailing or any other way about the subject of brazil or brazillian women or any of the other comments you have made about brazil in general have all disputed your claims , all of them ...not one person said to me oh yea hes certainly right about that . not one ! they have all said basically you are full of it. the only thing i can come up with is that you must have some hidden agenda , a reason to make these sort of comments, why i dont know and personally i dont care . i will say this i recieved a phone call last night from one of the girls i had written to in brazil and she is an absolute sweetie , a very nice person just like everyone else i have associated with from brazil.

... in response to Re: Answers to Pack et al : Brasilian wo..., posted by pack on May 5, 2001

Looking at the history of this thread, together with your questions regarding Brasil it becomes quite clear that you initially possessed little or no info about it. Since I posted my initial report, you suddenly had a multitude of Brasilian friends etc who contradicted what I said. Why not invite these friends to join this board and share their insights....one to one.

To give an example, your last two question today were, 'should I go in winter' or 'which is best SP or Rio'. Why not ask all your experts back home?

Esjay

... in response to Re: Re: OK..bring your sources to this b..., posted by Esjay on May 5, 2001

esjay , whats your problem dude do you have a lot of free time on your hands or something? first ... i did not ask YOU anything about winter or summer in Rio , if you notice i asked RALPH the question not you! and for your info i am on this board to learn more about these places in sur america ...thats what this board is all about , learning , trding info , helping each other , i can ask a question of Ralph or anyone else if i want to, its non of your business what i ask Ralph or anyone else...got it! however i think i will ask my brazillian friend their opinion , i will be seeing them later today . as far as your remark about all the brazillian friends i have , well i dont know where you got that idea but in actuality i only know one brazillian family here in town. however i know numerous people who have travelled to brazil and they all say that you are totally wrong about the women of brazill and the people of brazil. in fact i dont recall even one person on this board confirming what you have said. i rest my case

... in response to Re: Re: OK..bring your sources to this b..., posted by Esjay on May 5, 2001

Esjay,

Plenty of guys would like to hear about Brazil. Including me. However there has to be Good Things and People there also. You sound like you tried many things and some didn't work out the way you planned or wanted them to. Welcome to earth. I've had plenty of things that didn't work out. You stand back, Say to Yourself, ..Oh well...another experiment that failed....you laugh at yourself and the things that went wrong, kick back, have a think and move on back to trying to acheive the original goals. But with the knowledge aquired of 'what didn't work'. It's ok...every honest person has experiments that failed . And the more one lives 'outside the box' the more likely things are to go wrong in the game somewhere along the line. But surely you can look back and see where things were good ? And that's what people like to hear about. The missteps combined with the success's to help develop plans that help avoid the downs and point others towards the up's. Surely if you had it all to do over again there are things you know now, you didn't know then that would help guide you toward more of the good and less of the bad. Why don't you pass on some of that kind of wisdom to the guys here that are interested.

Regards, Houndog

... in response to Re: Re: Re: OK..bring your sources to th..., posted by Houndog on May 5, 2001

I'd agree about it being an experiment that didn't go to plan. I was seduced by the glitzy image, sights and sounds of carnaval etc and lost sense of reality. Only after spending an extended period in a location as well as speaking the language do you get a true feel for a place. Even if you make short trips or just haven't been there often, the 'novelty factor' gloss's over the cracks. You can't see with an unbiased mind and will only see the positive aspects. After an extended period the 'novelty factor' wears away and you can see how a place really is. Knowing Portuguese is exceptionally important in Brasil, you may think you can communicate via a dictionary but in general you will lose most of the message. its not just the actual words but the tone and manner of use. If you aren't fluent you lose most of the message.

Esjay

ps you could say the above about anywhere (ha ha beat you too it!)

... in response to Re: Re: Quite true.., posted by Esjay on May 5, 2001

*****I'd agree about it being an experiment that didn't go to plan. I was seduced by the glitzy image, sights and sounds of carnaval etc and lost sense of reality. Only after spending an extended period in a location as well as speaking the language do you get a true feel for a place.****

Well yes & no. Sure, one can't completely totaly know a place short term. One could not even know the city I live in, if only here for a week or two. And believe me there is plenty here you don't want to know. But with certian insights it is possible to gravitate towards the better things and away from the worse things. However, unless you see both how is one to know ??

******Even if you make short trips or just haven't been there often, the 'novelty factor' gloss's over the cracks. You can't see with an unbiased mind and will only see the positive aspects. ***

Well yes & no. You don't hear the guys that have been to our Ladies and their relatives house's in Colombia talking about the fact there is NO hot water. NO A/C, only fans if they're lucky. Very few phones, high unemployment..but it's all there. Poor beggar children asking for money. Hunger, poverty, desperation. WE SEE IT. Good People are not blind. We don't talk about it much because of the way the People there are able to cope with the circumstances. Inspiring actually how positive about tommorow they are and grateful for 'What they Do Have' they are. I thank my God everyday for the bounty of blessings he has bestowed on me when I compare myself to them. Yet they take there circumstances in stride and carry on...I for one am always humbled by there acceptance and perserverance and tenacity to accept their situation. And grateful I don't have to walk a mile in their shoes.

**After an extended period the 'novelty factor' wears away and you can see how a place really is. ***

Read the above again.

**Knowing Portuguese is exceptionally important in Brasil, you may think you can communicate via a dictionary but in general you will lose most of the message. its not just the actual words but the tone and manner of use. If you aren't fluent you lose most of the message.**

Esjay...communicating is important 'everywhere'. There are misunderstandings right here on this board all using the same language. And this is a real world perfect example. "IF", "IF", "IF", WE TRY...and possess "A TRUE WILLINGNESS & DESIRE" to communicate with each other then we move past the misunderstandings. However..."IF" there is no true desire to get along and communicate and gain understanding of course no amount of dialouge will suffice. The women here or there that truly want to be with you will make an equal amount of effort to 'help' get beyond the misunderstandings...in fact that was and is one of my tests of true sincerity here and there. Willingness to expend effort vs Paying Lip Service. Like the saying goes, actions speak louder than words.

Regards, Houndog

Esjay

ps you could say the above about anywhere (ha ha beat you too it!) ****...yep..I said it about Houston...LOL

... in response to Answers to Pack et al : Brasilian women, posted by Esjay on May 5, 2001

I was in Brazil and found just the opposite. I found that many people wanted to get to know or talk to "Gringos".

One cab driver tried to "take me for a ride" but other than that I found the people in Brazil at least as friendly as Colombians, maybe more so in some ways.

... in response to Where in Brazil?, posted by Ralph on May 5, 2001

there you go esjay words of a man who has been there

... in response to Re: Where in Brazil?, posted by pack on May 5, 2001

Yeah, he was there for 2 days...

Esjay

... in response to Re: Re: Where in Brazil?, posted by Esjay on May 5, 2001

so 2 days , 2 weeks , 2 months , RIo is Rio !

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Where in Brazil?, posted by pack on May 5, 2001

FWIW, I totally disagree with the above statement. Never been to Rio, but 2 days is not 2 weeks, is not 2 months. Rio can´t be THAT different. You need to live in a place for a year or so, assuming you speak the lingo, to really understand what it`s like (as a place to live, anyway) after the initial charm wears off. Maybe longer, if you don´t speak the lingo.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Where in Brazil?, posted by Bueller on May 5, 2001

Lets all be honest, Pack didn't think before posting the message just above Buellers. Time means everything, 2 days is virtually nothing in the scheme of things. The excitement of an initial visit masks things that aren't right or that we wouldn't except in our own country. Take for instance the street kids, in Rio you will see children aged 4 or 5 living under blankets on the street...most gringo's walk past and ignore them,,,however if this occured in the USA or europe there would be a public outcry.

I read on another board a few days ago how a guy saw somebody being run over. He said their legs looked broken as the were twisted to one side. The driver got out of his car and dragged the pedestrian to the sidewalk....then got back in his car and drove off....is this the considerate behaviour you friends tell you regarding Brasilians??

Esjay

... in response to Where in Brazil?, posted by Ralph on May 5, 2001

Salvador,Porto Seguro,Arrial Da Aduja, Sao Paulo, Niteroi,Curitiba, Foz d'Iguzu,Campinas

and of course Rio,

if you've been to Rio Ralph, we can discuss that first as that was where most of my time was spent.

Esjay

... in response to Re: Where in Brazil?, posted by Esjay on May 5, 2001

you know what esjay you may be the only man on planet earth and planet love that hasnt heard of the famous Rio with their beautiful women and beaches . one of the best places to be on earth and you slam it ...amazing !  if you decide to go to colombia have fun , if you dont have a place to stay in cali might i recommend the Hotel Torres.

... in response to Re: Re: Where in Brazil?, posted by pack on May 5, 2001

yeah I might stay there (lightning can't strike twice can it?).

Esjay

... in response to Re: Where in Brazil?, posted by Esjay on May 5, 2001

I actually spent more time in Sao Paolo, but did spend a few days in Rio as well. I'll be heading back to Brazil maybe twice this year. I really wish I spoke Portugese as I liked Brazil a lot.

... in response to Re: Re: Where in Brazil?, posted by Ralph on May 5, 2001

hi ralph , man im so excited i have been hearing so much about brazil and their beautiful women , im heading down there i just dont know when or where. would you suggest i wait until their summer months or is their winter months o k to visit? also as far as meeting a lady would you recommend Rio or Sao Paulo?

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Where in Brazil?, posted by pack on May 5, 2001

I probably won't be much help because I wasn't looking to meet women when I went. Brazilians describe those two cities as follows:

In Sao Paulo people live to work.

In Rio people work to live!

I found Sao Paulo to be a large conjested business type of environment. It is also very spread out. There are a couple of areas wher there are a bunch of hotspots in one place but for the most part you spend a lot of time travelling. I can recommend a great Rodizio Restaurant in Sao Paulo. I believe it is spelled Barbacoa. Best Rodizio I have ever had.

In Rio try Porcao! Probably best to go in the summer if you like the beach. If you are looking for nice women, you might not want to stay in Copa Cabana. Apparently in the summer there are a lot of "pros" hanging out on the beach. You might want to try Ipanema or the other areas further north.

Do you speak Portugese? If not it most likely will not be easy. I was lucky and met an english speaking cab driver that drove me around ALL day, for maybe $35. Plus I bought him dinner at the Hard Rock and some beers in the cafes and clubs. It was good to have a torguide.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Where in Brazil?, posted by Ralph on May 5, 2001

thanks Ralph, i'll probably plan my trip around november or december. i may just split my trip between Sao {aulo and Rio . i was talking to a friend who had spent 2 weeks in Rio area , in december. he warned me that you can really get hooked on this place , on his last day there he was at a sidewalk cafe with friends on copacabana beach drinking , watching the girls walk be , he was having so much fun he forgot about his flight and missed it!  thanks for your input Ralph.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where in Brazil?, posted by pack on May 5, 2001

Bring your friend along to the board..at least if there is another person here with a decent knowledge of Rio we may be able to agree agree about somethings.

Esjay

ps...Copa is not a good place to find a 'good' girl.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where in Brazil?, posted by Esjay on May 5, 2001

o k Rio is no good , Recife is no good , Sao Paulo is no good , copa is no good basically no where in brazil is any good to find a woman ...right esjay ? but5 cali is a good place right ? as long as you dont book a rom at the Torres Hotel because bombs are blowing up there! lets not forget the airport where the cops hassle you. yea you are right why would i want to go to Rio with tons of women in thong bathing suits , or Sao Paulo with a population of 19 million people and even more women than Rio when i could go to cali. are you kidding me bring a friend to the board ...why these brazillan friends of mine arent interested in your attitude about their country or their women. you say you where there 6 months , they were there their whole life . they think you are a goof to even talk the way you do .  who in their right mind would come on here and slam everything about brazil then turn around and praise a country that is in a civil war for crying out loud! thats like someone saying yea the french riviera stinks , im going to bosnia. come on man ...get real!

... in response to Re: Re: Where in Brazil?, posted by Ralph on May 5, 2001

Where abouts in Rio did you stay? Copacabana? Give me a few landmarks you know and I'll relate some info that you'll identify with.

Its actually spelt Sao Paulo, the girls there tend to be less pretentious as those in Rio.

Esjay

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Where in Brazil?, posted by Esjay on May 5, 2001

Crappy hotel called California I think. In Sao Paulo, I stayed at the Rennaisance, the Mercur and the Best Western. Complicated  trip. I was in town for a large Convention.
Rio was just the weekend and I just decided tyo go because I had no idea if I were ever going to have another chance to visit Brazil.

I was also there in August, which is winter. Could be a lot of the "less desirables" aren't around as much in winter?

... in response to I think I was in Copa, posted by Ralph on May 5, 2001

I've been past the hotel you mention, the name is in a large chrome 3D typeface (just so I've verified that I know the place).Its situated on Av.Atlantica, thats the main road that runs along the beach in Copa. Did you meet any friendly girls while you were there?

... in response to Re: Orthon California, posted by Esjay on May 5, 2001

Tell ya the truth I don't remember much what it looked like. It was on the main drag. I did notice a nice Marriott being built and will most likely stay there next time.

Did I meet any nice girls? Well one day I was having lunch and there was just a bunch of people hanging around . Some guys came by and did a cool acrobatic show in the street etc.

When I got up to pay my bill, a very cute young girl was walking by with shopping bag in hand. I must have smiled or something because she walked on over and introduced herself.
I speak zero portugese but  with my Spanish and her Portugese she asked me if I had been to Rio before. I told her it was my first day. She told me I should take a taxi to the statue of Christ up on that mountain. She told me some other places to check out and offered to show me around.

Even though she was just being friendly and I am sure she had no interest in anything other than being nice, I declined.

I had a similar experience in Sao Paulo where 5 female college students showed me around and looked out for me. They were all very young and seemed happy to have someone to practice their English with. They showed me the ropes and invited me to a huge music festival, but we never made it there.

I was engaged at the time so I was not looking to meet women. I don't think these women were looking for a man either. Just being friendly. When in the Discos with these girls, all the guys came over and wanted to talk to me as well. The college kids probably don't get much chance to practice English and enjoyed asking me how I like their country!

All of the people I met while doing business were great as well. Hotel staff and waiters etc were all very friendly.
I didn't sense any bad feelings toward gringos at all.

... in response to Re: Re: Orthon California, posted by Ralph on May 5, 2001

I'd agree with your observations, however the guys on this board are concerned with finding a wife in these places. Like you said, they are friendly(on the surface) but dating one is a different matter. I too have had encounters with the 'university student' type of girl. They will usually bring up something about their 'boyfriend' during the conversation.

Esjay

ps the Marriot is now open, the inauguration was about 4 weeks ago.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Orthon California, posted by Esjay on May 5, 2001

I admit I ahve zero experience with trying to date Brazilians, or wanting to Marry one. None of the students I hung out with brought up boyfriends during conversation but I'm sure they had boyfriends. They most likely didn't feel obliged to bring it up as I wasn't "hitting on them". We were just hanging out as friends etc.

If you were looking to meet a wife, I'm sure Brazil might not be the easiest place to be successful. Brazilians LOVE their country and are not as "motivated" to leave as say Colombians. Colombians also love their country but between the economy and the violence etc. there are more people looking to get out.

I guess the Marriott opened late. they were talking november or december when I was down there.

I liked Brazil a lot. I'm not sure I would go there soley to look for a wife etc. I never really went anywhere looking for a wife. If going on vacation I would prefer Rio to Cali although I had a great time in Cali as well.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Orthon California, posted by Ralph on May 5, 2001

Yeah, they took over 4 years to build that hotel, I think another major chain was building it at first then aborted construction. About 1 year ago it seems the Marriot chain bought the shell and finished construction. The views good from the top, there's a central glassed over courtyard about 18 floors high which most of the rooms look into.

You're right about Brasilians not wanting to leave their country, the only guy I know who is married (successfully) to a Brasilian lives there and has done for over 10 years. This is borne out in the nearly non-existence of marriage agencies, the ones that do exist seem to have the same girls on that they did two years ago!.

ps I heard of a French guy have a lot of luck up in Sao Luis, its a small city up near Belem.

Esjay

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Orthon California, posted by Esjay on May 5, 2001

i dont blame the girls  for not wanting to leave their country , beaches , carnival , perfect temp , friendly people, why leave ? which brings up the interesting question ..are the cali girls leaving cali to escape the proplems or because they really like the gringos? at least you know if you bring a girl from brazil she must like you and is moving for you not the problems. makes one think for a minute doesnt it?

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Orthon Californi..., posted by pack on May 5, 2001

Pack,

When one of my best friends first heard about my looking south he had all the same suspicions you seem to voice here. About 'their motives'. Flip forward 2 years, on the 10th of this month he is making his second trip to visit his GF in Lima. And while there, he is going to help her with all the Docs necc. to get a tourist visa. He's a lawyer so he can deal with the papers himself. He told me the other day, he would never look back and she is one of the sweetest, nicest Ladies he has ever known. Just as many of the rest of us say. So the motives of the "Good Ones" is the same as the motives of all "Good Ones" everywhere. A happy, loving life. And the motives of 'others' are the same, find someone to further their agenda.

IMO, if you only seek out 'good ones' that's what you will find. And vice versa. However one miust know how to differeniate between the two, some of us do, some of us don't. Make sure you fall in the category that does and you will be just fine.

Regards, Houndog

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Orthon Californi..., posted by pack on May 5, 2001

While it is definitely harder to find a woman that hadn't thought about marrying a gringo or leaving her country, I think thos relationships have the best chance for long term success.

I personally would rather have a girl decide to marry ME, rather than deciding to Marry ?a Gringo? then picking one.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Orthon Californi..., posted by pack on May 5, 2001

What you say is correct, however a girl must fall in love with you first. In my experience a girl will put up a barrier because you are a gringo. Many times I've been approached by girls in standard disco's down in Ipanema, however as soon as they find out I'm a gringo...its goodbye. If these girls have already decided that a gringo is not for them and have a 'closed mind', how will you open it.

Esjay

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Closed minds, posted by Esjay on May 5, 2001

boy you just dont have any luck do you. every story you tell women are running away from you , why is that ? you say its because you are a gringo? hmmm interesting? im reading tons of posts on this board about men going  south meeting ladies , getting married , having fun , positive trip reports one right after the other. then we come to esjay and the women are running away from him....interesting?

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Closed m..., posted by pack on May 6, 2001

Is the above meant to upset me? Ha Ha

Let me explain again in SIMPLE English.
Down in Ipanema are some trendy clubs/bars which I usually go to at weekends. On occasion a girl has come up to me to speak, however after 1 or 2 sentences (ie she realises that I'm not Brasilian, she will make excuses and walk away). Not after 1 hour or 6 hours, but after about 30seconds. This happens all the time. Another point here, if you don't speak the language well, YOU ARE GETTING NOWHERE IN BRASIL. Even the majority of the middle classes don't speak English, you also tend to get the feeling that they can't be bothered putting the effort in to understand you if if you speak 'broken' Portuguese.

Esjay

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: You'..., posted by Esjay on May 6, 2001

and you try to understand me and what several people on this board have repeated to you numerous times ..what you are discrbing to us CAN BE SAID ABOUT ANYPLACE IN THE WORLD! cali , D R , mexico , china , france where ever? look if you had such a bad time in brazil im sorry , and if it was as miserable as you say it was for you then i would suggest never go back there, try somewhere different . but to generalize the way you do about the country its people its women is just not accurate especially when any person on this board that has had any experience with brazil says just the opposite of you. good luck whatever country you decide to visit next.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ..., posted by pack on May 6, 2001

I only count Ralph, he was in Rio for 2 days. Who are all these other people???  there you go again pack...just inventing and inventing!

Esjay

... in response to Re:  Which other people..I only count 1 ..., posted by Esjay on May 6, 2001

you know what esjay , you are beginning to bore me. i think this has become a dead subject. you have come on here slammed a country its people its women and now that you have run out of gas , oh sorry petro , now you start this silly inmature bickering "who else pack , come on pack , bring them to the board pack, blah blah blah " how does the hound say it ? oh yea ...next time try taping a thousand dollar bill to your forehead maybe one of the brizillian girls will give you the time of day. as for our conversation if you wanna call it that is over, i will take your advice on brazil with a grain of salt. goodbye esjay and good look at the next country you visit.