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I've spent around 7-8 months in Brasil, mainlyin Rio but have travelled to many cities within the country. I  have both brasilian and expat friends there and I speak the language.

Basically Brasilian women won't make good wifes, infact in most circumstances they fit within a 'nightmare scenario'.

Why?

In reverse order...

They tend to travel very badly, only a small percentage of the population speak English. If the girl leaves her country to  a foreign land she will have no friends and nobody to talk with. There won't even be any TV for her to watch. They tend top get homesick very quickly, infact from what I've seen, most girls last 3 months with there new husbands before returning home to Brasil alone.

The age thing

The younger girls tend to be outright gold-diggers and will spend your money as fast as you allow them. I know of several guys living down there who are now completely and utterly broke as they fell for some young thing who just spent their money then left. The older women (30+) are more genuine, however this is because a single girl of 30 in Brasil is not going to get a Brasilian man, secondly their face will be really screwed up by then. No this is no joke or insult, they are image crazy and will sunbathe from their early teens onwards WITHOUT SUNBLOCK, this catches up with them in their 30's when their faces will have more wrinkles than your scrotum. If you look at a lot of older Brasilians, (50+), you will notice Rodent cell carcinomas on their faces due to this abuse of the sun.

A bed for three

You best get ready to share, you may not be the only one. It is likely she will also keep some young stud Brasilian guy in the background as well as yourself. She may also two-time you with another gringo, usually the girl will ask you to send money for this, or money for that. The later situation has previously arisen with myself.

IQ/common sense deficiency

These girls are always looking for something bigger or better and won't be satisfied with what you have to offer. The last girl I was with over there lived with her mother and young son. They lived in the Zona Norte of Rio, basically a poor area but not an outright favela. Here's me , single, no kids and a good career. Was she happy? No, she lied and lied and told be all sorts of stories. She gave me a fake cell phones number, made dates she never showed for etc etc. However, when we were together she would say how she loved me, how she would miss me etc etc. I still can't understand why they just can't be honest. These girls never know when they are well off.

Brasilian Nationalism/Racism

Brasilians think they are THE BEST at everything, bar none. However in general they are mediocre in most respects.(hey they can't even win at football). There is a degree of anti US sentiment, including flyposters with ' USA '  with a red cross through it. If you walk with a girl in Rio, occasional passers by will say abusive things to her...basically infering that she is a puta. For this reason, many girls won't be seen with a gringo. To protect their women from these foreign invaders the Brasilian man will tell their women that only 'prostitutes' go with gringos. This makes forming a relationship very difficult if your partner is being constantly abused.

Big Spenders

many of the girls you will meet there will try and relieve you of as much cash in a short a time time a possible. You go to  a bar, she will order a expensive energy drink and whisky. You offer to buy a present? she'll always find the most expensive thing in the shop. Take great care with your cash and credit cards.

Beware the 'eye candy'

Many men who go to Brasil are blinded by the 'eye candy', basically the long hair, tanned skin and skimpy revealing clothes. The girls are excellent dancers and really make an effort to look good in most cases. The tend to be very affectionate and good in bed. However for a long term relationship you have to be able to see through this, in summary be VERY careful when selcting your choice....you probably get your heart broken....

ps I've been to the Maracana several times, guess you guys will have heard of Vasco, Palmeiras(SP), Flamenco, Botofogo and Fuminese ??

And they treated and treat him as one of them. They care about him and about every other American that I know is their friend. What's more, they are very jelaous of their American friends, so they were kind of jelaous at first when they met me because I am not Brazilian.

They are the nicest and warmest people I have known here. The first time they met me they were like just looking at me from the other side of the room. Them we started talking (They understand Spanish pretty well) I felt like at home. Second time was just big huges and smiles and teaching me Samba and talking to me and welcoming me to their community. I loved it.

Many of the woman are married to American man and what I have seen is that they are very happy couples. Married not only for months but for years.

The last time, my husband told me that he has many friends but he has not felt so good as when he is with his Brazilian friends. They don't change, they are nice all the time. They really worry about him.

Many of her friends are Brazilian woman on her latest 30ths and they are beatiful and I have not seen even one with a problem on their faces as you said and they are not living here for more than 6 years. What's more there are very intelligent people and more than all they have a heart fill of love and frienship.

So, my conclusion is that if you had a bad experience with a Brazilian woman or with some Brazilian women it does not mean all are bad women. There are bad women every where, but that is not a reason to stereotype people. I do not know exactly where you met these women but maybe you should try to look in a different place in Rio or Brasil and you will change your mind about them. Good luck.

The guys with the failed marriages I know of....most of these girls were in the 21-23 age range. obviously too immature at that age.

Regarding the skin damage, this tends to be limited to the girls of Rio or coastal cities who bake on the beach everyday. Women from cities of the interior or Sao Paulo will obviously not recieved as much UV over the years.

Esjay

Other married when she was 27. Her American husband divorced her because he wanted to re-married his previous Brazilian wife.

Her sister married when she was 24. Married to an American.

My husband is 40. So obviously most of his friends are near his age.

His friends are Cariocas and Paulistas and I have not seen any damage on their faces. They are beautiful even the ones who are almost 40. Logically, when you get 40 you dont look 20. Not Brazilians, not Americans, not Colombians or Russians or Peruvians look 20 or 25 when they are 35 or 40.

I have heard Bahia is a beatiful place. The woman are darker than the ones in Rio or San Paulo but beatiful too. I do not think they are agencies there and maybe they are not willing to leave their country as much as woman in other countries, but I am sure you can find many good women in Brasil as in any other country.

Also bear on mind that they as any others do not like when people do not show respect or interest for their culture or country. By the way, Portuguese is a beatiful language.

ps I speak Portuguese

Esjay

Second, I do not think the location factor can influence too much. Based on experience, I know that if a LA woman (including Brazilians) really loves a man she would follow him until the end of the world.

Third, before going at least learn a little of the culture like for example that Brazilians speak Portuguese and not Spanish. It really pisses them off if you thank them with a "Gracias".

No, I was kidding. Seriously, learn about the culture,the cities, the people the music (It is not only Samba over there) and you will make a good impression. As I said before show interest for the culture, ask questions about it.

I think most men here can recognize bad women, so just go there with open eyes and don't fall for the first mini skirt that you see walking by (but I have to admit it must be difficult).

If you only go to discos to meet women, it is likely that you are only going to meet party women. Well, maybe these doesn't apply to them. They like partying. They like dancing very much.

My point is that you can not put all them in the same sack just because some of them were bad to you.

Good luck,

Georgina

Type 1 (good girls) - good girls make good wives but they've been brainwashed into thinking only ''bad girls go with gringo's''. Trying to get one of these girls will be difficult. In all honesty you would have to live there, maybe enrol at a college or whatever in order to meet these girls.

Type 2 (bad girls) - these girls aren't bothered about being seen with gringo's as they are after the financial rewards. Just to inform you guys, in Brasil they have a soft type of prostitution wich is refered to as

'garota da programma' or the girl being on the 'programma'.

As beach side cafe's in Copacabana, girls will sit, and smile at the other male patrons. they will sit at your table and drink...later they will suggest that you go to a hotel to make love. This is what gives the negative assumption with gringo's. These girls may stay with a guy from a couple of hours upto several weeks. She will stay at his hotel and go shopping with him. I don't think it exists exactly like this in other countires like Colombia (maybe I'm wrong). Many guys who return from Brasil say how friendly the girls are, however they forget to mention the several 100USD changing hands. if you meet a guy who tell's a similar story after visiting Rio, ask him if he knows Help discoteque.

The middle class Brasilian girls can be extemely Snobby, its quite common for such a girl to totally ignore you even if just asking the time or directions. I'm not repeating just my own experiences but those that have happened commonly with other friends over there.

Another fact, I have brown hair and can be mistaken for a white Brasilian. Many times I've been in upper/middle class disco's down in Leblon/Ipanema, girls have approached me and started a conversation, however when they realise I'm not Brasilian they always make up some excuse or just cut off the conversation. Other friends have had experiences where a girl has startedto chat to them in a club, after 1-2 mins some guys will introduce themselves as her brother,brothers friend or whatever, after a few secinds of rapid Portuguese the girl will make her apologies and walk off. These things aren't isolated but comeplace. Basically trying to find a wife in these places would be like trying to swim upstream in a fast flowing river.

It seems to me that the majority of guys on this board what to jet in for 2 week periods and find a wife usually with the aid of an agency. This tactic just won't work in Brasil, especially in Rio or Recife.

Esjay

http://www.fotosefestas.com.br/

Esjay

Two girls immediately come to mind whose marriages lasted 3 months. Not a good start.

I know three guys who were cleaned out by Brasilian girls. One was TOTALLY cleaned out, I mean ALL his money gone (he was renting an apartment so had no fixed assets)...the girl accessed the joint account and cleaned it out then left.

Brasilian guys tend to like younger women and often have affairs. The women you see on the Brasilian sites are desperate, Brasilian men don't want them anymore so they have to look overseas. You may notice on the very few Agency sites that the majority of women are over 30. Compare this with Columbia where the are many girls ages 21-30, with good educations. In Brasil generally it is the poorer girls who will go for a gringo, usually these girls have little education.

I also know several other guys who bought their girl a flight ticket, the guys went to the airport and their girl never showed. In these cases the girl had cashed in the ticket and spent the money. She usually made up some story about the mother being ill etc for not flying.

Recife is  primarily a sex tourist destination (esp popular with Germans). Not an ideal location to find a wife.

In summary...Brasil is a good place to go for 2 weeks fun and games...but find a wife....NO

If you have further questions then please email me

Esjay

ps I'm heading for Columbia in June....

when you get there how do you intend to find a decent girl?

Esjay

but the facts....

I've been to Brasil, you've been to Colombia...as yet we can't directly compare the two countires ourselves as we only know one...however guys I know who have been to BOTH places stated that Colombia is a far better place to find a nice girl.

I have been to Uruguay, Argentina and Paraguay. The atmosphere in these Spanish speaking countries was far different that that in Brasil. These countries may be on the same continent but they are vastly different places.

I say again, my report was a compendium of around 30 guys findings, not my sole experience.

OK Pack, I know you'll never believe me until you've seen it yourself. I suggest you go to Rio and check out Ipanema/Leblon(middle class areas)...and try making a conversation with some of these nice middle class girls. You'll be lucky to get anywhere with them. But no harm in trying.....

Esjay

 *30 friends who went to brazil, one succeeded*

 I gave him the benefit of the doubt, and attributed it to him having only friends that are old, ugly unrealistic wooldernink/joja types promising the world to super-model-in-training types.

 Your theory sounds even more plausible.  Either way, good guys succeed with good women........everywhere!!

 GO GET HER PACK!!!!!!

Regards,
Doug Y.

How CAN they disagree about the language? how many people speak Portuguese? You take a girl from one of the coastal cities of Brasil with hot weather and beaches and take her to a industrialised city , in a cold and rainy place...do you blame her for being homesick...how can this 'family' disagree with that statement?? maybe its a case in point, i.e. you can't tell a Brasilian anything because they always know best!

Esjay

i haven't been to brazil, so i can't say, but i will take your word on what you say in your post.

there is just one little issue i have with something you said, and i included your quote above in this post.

they are not mediocre racing car drivers!!! they have produced some of the best and most respected formula 1 drivers in the world!!!

emerson fittipaldi is still the youngest driver ever to win the f-1 driving championship, (a record he has held for about 25 years)..... later came to the u.s.a. to race indy cars and won the indy 500 twice. but the most respected brazilian f-1 driver, the late aryton senna is widely regarded as the very best open-wheeled racing driver that ever lived!!!....literally worshiped in the racing community.

those are just two legendary brazilians who were were not just good, but the very best in the world. the list goes on. here in the u.s., brazilians dominate the champ car racing series....gil de ferran(the 2000 champion and fellow ft. lauderdale resident), cristian fitipaldi, cristiono da matta(current points leader), helio castro nevis(top notch driver for roger penske, race winner in the long beach grand prix last week with a dominating flag to flag win), tony kanaan, roberto moreno, among many others. i could go on and on.

i know this is board is about women, and not many people will find this interesting, but the fact is in the racing world, the brazilians are some of if not the very best. never, were they mediocre.

thank you for your time,   bret

The Brazilians on the other hand have a very well developed interest in their forms of martial art:  Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Vale Tudo (means 'anything goes').  They are also alot bigger than their Colombian brethren.

I have a co-worker who is French, and married to a Brazilian woman.  They keep a house in Sao Paolo but he told me Brazil is an extremely tough place.

My .02

Mike

I'd venture a guess that if someone is "caught slipping" in the wrong part of Brazil, being taken down to the ground and twisted into submission by some Brazilian jiu-jitsu will likely be the least of his worries. -Chances are much better that he'll be staring at the business end of gun.

.02

Tai

ps - If Vale Tudo means "anything goes", there was alot of "Vale Tudo-ing" going on in my neighborhood growing up in East Oakland....but in Oak-town it's called the "okey-doke". ;)

I would agree that most women I met had no desire to really leave Brasil and not many speak english(hence no marriage agencies) but many guys I met had married and stayed in brazil. One of my friends is married to a brazilian girl and has no problems other than the usual ups and downs

Nice to see conversation on a country other than Colombia (like that one, huh Malandro). Seriously gentlemen, Do Brazilians consider themselves Latin, even though spanish isn't the primary language? Estay, there's got to be good women in Brazil! There are good & bad EVERYWHERE! Everything you've said about Brazilian women, could be applied to women anywhere. There are racial issues that every Central & South American country tries to keep in the closet. Some more successful than others.

You are absolutely correct about the sex trade & social stigma's attached to those involved in it, directly or indirectly. I'm not gonna be the one to judge Brazil's social or civil morals. Rudeness to foreigners can be found all over. You'll also find those who'll do alittle more to help a foreigner in their country. I've never visited Brazil, however much of what you said, echo's what I've been told by friends who have spent considerable time there. Except for your blanket assesment of Brazilian women.

If you're going to Cali, don't let your guard down! My lady is Colombian & others on this board who have Colombian ladies will sing their praises (Sorry Malandro).
Just remember, you'll also find good & bad women, no matter where you travel.

Peace....Hoda

p.s. If you're serious about searching for a lifemate in Cali, or wherever in Colombia, I'll be glad to help.

I note that several others in this forum expressed doubt that the conclusions you reached are valid but I also note that none of them reported having any of your experiences living in Brazil.

You mean to say that in living 7-8 months in Brazil you've never come across any decent Brazilian women? It would have been interesting to know where and how you were spending/focusing your time.

In a country as large as Brazil, writing off all the millions of women as "nightmares", "gold-diggers", and "two timers" is at the least illogical..and at best...suspect.

.02

Tai

ps - There are millions of AW that "swear" they can't find a Good man.....attitude and perspective shapes one's reality.

Esjay

 Every mistake I'VE ever learned from, I'VE found my part of the blame.  That goes double-ditto for my bros and everyone else I look up to.

 Beyond that a brief (or extensive) self-analysis to avoid repeating those mistakes could also be helpful (mandatory).  A good start could be: does THIS euro make a good husband?  and if not why not.  Of course, if you're not looking for wife material say so.

 If you are, where would you look?  At a night club or party zone or in the front row at mass?  Somewhere in between?  Where?

 a hint:  My fiancee doesn't drink "energy drinks or whiskey".............unfrrrrrrickeeeeeenbelievable!!

 Malandro.........er Traveller is correct with a qualification.  "The same could be said about women from Colombia, DR,"  don't forget USA, Myanmar, Russia, Botswana etc, etc.......Especially if one doesn't change the attributes of their (woman) picker.

 OR......all brazilian women are worthless, and all euros are incredible catches.

 this is sounding all too familiar!  Do Richard Wooldernink and John De Vries have a British cousin?

 Inquiring minds want to know!

 Regards,
 Doug Y.

As for my account and looking at my inner self? if you had read my article correctly you would have realised that it is a summary of both mine and my friends experiences in Brasil. A couple of quotes for you,

firstly a friend who is soon to  marry a Colombiana, i asked him to compare Brasil and Colombia. he said Colombian girls were intelligent and thought before they acted, however he considered brasilian women to be stupid and only living each day as it comes and not thinking of tomorrow. (this guy had visited many central and south american countries.)

Another friend who know the DR etc well described brasilian as a quote ''unfriendly bunch of mother f****rs''.

Read the whole article again and consider it as one, rather than picked and one sentence and arguing with that alone.

The language barrier is enough to put Brasil to the back of the line.

Esjay

Now you're talking Doug Y's thing.  Ask him about the Hooker's he's visited in LA - he's posted on this board about his experiences.

 Is that all you've learned after one year of archive surfing??????

 We reeeeeeeally need to put together a foundation to provide some scholarships to Norm's or LL!!!!!  

 Competition will be fiiiierce. You better get to work on that application goog.  You've already failed at two semesters of archive surfing.

 I got the first $100,  what do you say fellaz?

Regards,
Doug Y.

I pay enough in "Taxes" for corporate & social WELFARE!!!!

Boooyaah....Hoda

Houndog

Houndog

Hoda

Houndog

Brasilians think they are THE BEST at everything, bar none. However in general they are mediocre in most respects.(hey they can't even win at football). There is a degree of anti US sentiment, including flyposters with ' USA ' with a red cross through it. If you walk with a girl in Rio, occasional passers by will say abusive things to her...basically infering that she is a puta. For this reason, many girls won't be seen with a gringo. To protect their women from these foreign invaders the Brasilian man will tell their women that only 'prostitutes' go with gringos. This makes forming a relationship very difficult if your partner is being constantly abused.*****

You will easily find the same types of attitudes and comments when dating Mexican-American women also. I'm sure other countries might harbor those sentiments also. However I never experianced ant thing of the sort in all my trips to Colombia. In fact I noticed the opposite. I was welcomed with open arms.

Houndog

A few more examples, hotels will 'bump' gringos off the reservation list if its a holiday and lots of Brasilians show up needing a room. This has happened many times and I've about 20 or so witnesses who have been victims of this treatment.

Queue jumping, go in a gas station or store, very frequently the attendant/assistant will serve any Brasilian who arrives until you are the only person left in the queue.

I could go on!

you don't have to feel guilty for that. unless of course, you are british, in which case i kinda apologize for the previous statement, but not really!!!

by the way, you are very correct about the warm reception in argentina and uruguay. i had the very same experiences.

the whole of the latin world always, i mean always talks about how arrogant are the argentines and how they see themselves as better and more sophisticated than everyone, but i never felt this myself. not once!. and man o' man, talk about beautiful women!!!

having said that, you might want to do a little research on "that war with them" thing.

que le vaya bien, bro,

bret

Esjay

Esjay

if Colombia is such a great country, why do all those women want to leave??  why don't you move there with your fiancee???  I'm sure you would not be the only illiterate auto mechanic in Colombia.

The friendliest people I have ever encountered are probably dominicans.  however, their hospitality does not prevent some men from expressing resentment that foreigners are "stealing their women".  

what do you think they say about Americans when you are not around??  do you think the men sit around Cali and say, "Man, I wish some more agencies would open up so my girlfriend, sister, daughter can marry a gringo."  

"Boy isn't that nice, the girl I had a crush on all through highschool and college is marrying a 45 year old gringo.  How sweet"

p.s. I know only one gringo with a succesful marriage to a Brasilian girl, he lives there though and is fluent in the language.

lets look at Colombia or the Dominican Republic.  women are obviously looking for a better life.  that may be a euphemism for gold digging but that is what it is.  

when I was in the DR last year I took a girl to a night club, a couple of guys came up to her and basically cussed her out because she was with me.  It happens everywhere.  

P.S.  this is the latin board.  Brasil is in latin america.  Posting information on countries besides Colombia is perfectly acceptable.