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I come for a visit, get treated regal,
So I stay, who care I illegal?

I cross ocean, swin the river, poor and broke,
Take bus to see employment folk.

Nice man treat me good in there,
Say I need to see welfare.

Welfare say, "You come no more,
We send cash right to your door."

Welfare checks, they make you wealthy,
Medicaid it keep you healthy!

By and by, I got plenty money,
Thanks to you, American dummy.

Write to friends in motherland,
Tell them come as fast as you can.

They come in turbans and Ford trucks,
I buy big house with welfare bucks.

They come here, we live together,
More welfare checks, it gets better!

Fourteen families they moving in,
But neighbor's patience wearing thin.

Finally, white guy moves away,
Now I buy his house, and then I say,

Find more wet backs for house to rent."
And in the yard I put a tent.

Send for family (they just trash),
But they too, draw the welfare cash!

Everything is very good,
And soon we own the neighborhood.

We have hobby--it's called breeding,
Welfare pay for baby feeding.

Kids need dentist?  Wife need pills?
We get free!  We got no bills!

American crazy!  He pay all year,
To keep welfare running here.

We think America darn good place!
Too darn good for the white man race.

**SEND THIS TO
EVERY AMERICAN TAXPAYER
YOU KNOW**

... in response to Poem for the Tax payers, posted by Humabdos on Jun 19, 2003

Mark it down on your calendars Amigos, por favor!

Senior El Humabdosa Del LocoLoco

... in response to Poem for the Tax payers, posted by Humabdos on Jun 19, 2003

Close the border with Mexico. Our Laws dealing with them is a Joke.

... in response to HumB, Gooood Post, sooooo true, posted by greg on Jun 19, 2003

"Hoffa Questions Bush Administration Plan for
Cross-Border Trucking
Statement by James P. Hoffa, General President

December 17, 2002

In the war on terrorism, President Bush has emphasized the importance of homeland security, even creating a cabinet-level department to address this vital challenge. Yet by flinging open our southern frontier to cross-border trucking at this time, he has set the stage for compromising our security, trashing the environment and threatening the livelihood of American workers.
As a condition for opening the border under terms of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), the Department of Transportation was to issue regulations governing the process. But in doing so, the agency ignored the National Environmental Policy Act, and with no meaningful facts to back it up, the agency found “no significant impact” and insisted that opening the border would not harm the environment. This, despite studies showing that Mexican trucks on average generate 150 percent more smog-forming nitrogen oxide and 200 percent more dangerous particulate matter than U.S. trucks.

In addition, there is no system in place to systematically inspect the emissions of trucks coming over the border from Mexico. These trucks may also be exempt from a 1998 settlement with manufacturers requiring U.S. trucks to remove “defeat devices” that permit them to test clean at inspection sites but run dirty on the highway.

To oppose this threat to public health, a collection of environmental, labor and business organizations, including the Teamsters Union, Public Citizen, the Environmental Law Foundation and the Natural Resources Defense Council, filed a lawsuit last May in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.

But President Bush indicated that he would not wait on the court's action. On November 27, he lifted the moratorium on Mexican trucks traveling throughout the United States. The court is considering a request by our coalition for an emergency stay until the environmental impact of the decision can be fully assessed.

Yet the dangers posed by cross-border trucking are by no means limited to air quality. Last January, the U.S. General Accounting Office confirmed that Mexican truck safety isn't up to U.S. standards. The agency found that the U.S. lacks sufficient inspection resources at the border to ensure the safety of the American traveling public, and that Mexico lacks adequate standards and enforcement to ensure the safety of its own trucking system.

The implications for homeland security are staggering. Last May, nearly eight tons of sodium cyanide disappeared from a truck hijacked in Hidalgo, about 100 miles north of Mexico City. Because of their low pay and long hours, Mexican drivers will continue to be vulnerable to mercenary offers from parties that may have more than larceny on their minds.

“Free trade” is nothing more than snake oil when two countries don’t apply the same set of rules, and tens of thousands of American workers will pay the price. By bowing to extremist laissez-faire ideology, President Bush has placed the future of homeland security and public health in the hands of exploited and poorly trained Mexican drivers. "

Border is open for business

... in response to Poem for the Tax payers, posted by Humabdos on Jun 19, 2003

They no longer need to come here, all of our factories are closing and moving the jobs down there to them.

... in response to Poem for the Tax payers, posted by Humabdos on Jun 19, 2003

i got guns i get my check back when time comes

... in response to Poem for the Tax payers, posted by Humabdos on Jun 19, 2003

The influx of illegal Mexicans seems to have subsided up here in MN as far as I can tell, or at least stabilized. No jobs here, no reason to come. When or If the economoy ever picks up, and business starts hiring again they will be back in droves. Im used to them now, they are just mosquitoes, a necessary evil.
There will always be a need for someone to flip the burgers and scrub the floors. However there should be a concerted drive, not only by the US government but by the Mexican government also, to get these folks to comply with Federal INS regulations. If they pay their $1000, and start paying their taxes, I dont really care if they are here or not. Loud, rude and mannerless people that they are.

... in response to Poem for the Tax payers, posted by Humabdos on Jun 19, 2003

Hum,

Its not just the folks from down south.  The school district where I teach has over 50% of the students on free and reduced lunch and breakfast.  Last year a lady started an after school latch-key program.  It won't be long and we will be feeding them supper.  These kids are 99% white.  If these parents can get their kids in a special education program(IEP), then they get more free money.  When is it going to stop?  When will people see that we are creating a 2nd larger generation of free-loaders?

This has been a unpaid announcement for lower taxes!

steveb

... in response to Re:  Poem for the Tax payers, posted by SteveB on Jun 19, 2003

NEVER, EVER vote for a Democrat! :-)

Ray

... in response to Simple solution..., posted by Ray on Jun 19, 2003

thats not the answer ,i think the best way is for all of us is to figure out a way not to pay any taxes and use the money on what we want to instead of being taxed 10 times on everthing we by after taxes have been taken out of pay checks allready

... in response to Re:  Poem for the Tax payers, posted by SteveB on Jun 19, 2003

You have three users of the American system.

1 You have Hums illegals

2 You have the lazy Americans

3 Politicians and Top managers who steal the big money.

4 The middle class get it from all directions and are slowly being brought down to the lower class through taxes for all the lazy people and greed of top executives who continually give each other raises while cutting the common workers pay. The weaker the middle class become the weaker this country will be.

... in response to Re: Re:  Poem for the Tax payers, posted by stefang on Jun 19, 2003

in a few years there will only be very rich very poor and mexicans no middle clas
tneal

... in response to Re: Re:  Poem for the Tax payers, posted by stefang on Jun 19, 2003

Let's not forget that the rich will soon be paying no taxes at all.
Bush's new slogan: "Leave no millionaire behind".

... in response to Re: Re: Re:  Poem for the Tax payers, posted by William on Jun 19, 2003

I love you william!!

... in response to LOL, posted by Lori on Jun 19, 2003

Careful what you say Lori, "RAY" is listening

... in response to Re: LOL, posted by Dingo on Jun 20, 2003

And be careful also Lori, or Mr. Dingo will sick the big bad "White Republicans" on you ROTFLMGDAO!

... in response to Re: Re: Re:  Poem for the Tax payers, posted by William on Jun 19, 2003

William Buckley said it bast in his "Parable of The Tenth Man"

By William Buckley
Published April 27, 2001

Every night, 10 men met at a restaurant for dinner. At the end of the meal, the bill would arrive. They owed $100 for the food that they shared. Every night they lined up in the same order at the cash register. The first four men paid nothing at all. The fifth, though he grumbled about the unfairness of the situation, paid $1. The sixth man, feeling generous, paid $3. The next three men paid $7, $12 and $18, respectively. The last man was required to pay the remaining balance of $59.

The 10 men were quite settled into their routine when the restaurant threw them into chaos. It announced that it was cutting down its prices: Now it would charge only $80 for dinner for the 10 men. This reduction wouldn't affect the first four men -- they would continue to eat for free. The fifth person decided to forgo his $1 contribution to the pool, and the sixth contributed $2. The seventh man deducted $2 from his usual payment and now paid $5. The eighth man paid $9, the ninth, $12, leaving the last man with a bill of $52.

Outside of the restaurant, the men compared their savings, and angry outbursts began to erupt. The sixth man yelled, "I only got $1 out of the total reduction of $20, and he" -- pointing to the last man -- "got $7." The fifth man joined in the protest. "Yeah! I only got $1 too. It is unfair that he got seven times more than me." The seventh man cried, "Why should he get a $7 reduction when I only got $2?" The first four men followed the lead of the others: "We didn't get any of the $20 reduction. Where is our share?"

The nine men formed an outraged mob, surrounding the 10th man. The nine angry men carried the 10th man up to the top of a hill and lynched him. The next night, the nine remaining men met at the restaurant for dinner. But when the bill came, there was no one to pay it.

Well, parables do have their weaknesses. But they can be useful. Mrs. Clare Boothe Luce had the habit, in search of analytical clarity, of chopping off seven zeroes to illustrate her points. Thus the population of the world was 800 (read 8 billion) and that of the United States, 30 (not 300 million).

By these devices, it is true, clarifications are more nimbly arrived at. As the parable above informs us, 10 percent of the American people (the 10th dinner guest) pay 59 percent of all the taxes. The lowest 40 percent pay none. The fifth quintile, 1 percent; the sixth, seventh, eighth and ninth, respectively, 3, 7, 12 and 18 percent of the taxes.

The parable, of course, then brings in the drama: The proposed tax reduction of President Bush would reduce income taxes by a total of 20 percent, and the benefits of that reduction are distributed along the lines suggested for the 10 diners.

And yes, the protests arise, reaching maximum volume in the matter of relieving the 10th man from his customary contribution of $59 toward the common meal, to a contribution of $52.

OK, but the drama is then taken to what one might call a fourth act, which is one too many. The 10th diner isn't going to be lynched, because his survival is too necessary to the other nine diners. What they will do is attempt to diminish the reduction in his allocation of his benefits from the reduced dinner price and spread it among themselves. They'd like to see the 10th man continue to pay 59 percent of all taxes. That way it doesn't hurt.

Ah, but the parable writer obviously believes that it would hurt, in the long run. Because if that 10th diner tires, or is crushed into diminished productivity, he won't have the $59 to contribute to the pool, and that would be very, very inconvenient. Perhaps even life-threatening. If the restaurant has to go without that critical subsidy from the 10th diner, it might just have to reduce the rations paid out.

Granted, if the parable were refined even further, it would have to ask, What was it that caused the 10th man to be so obliging in the first place? Were they threatening to lynch him if he didn't put out? Did the 10th man plot to protect himself? Was he the critical voter in Florida in November 2000?

... in response to Not in your wildest imagination, posted by Jeff S on Jun 19, 2003

Makes perfect sense to me Jeff.

But I doubt that you'll EVER convince a die-hard liberal (LOL)

Ray

... in response to Re: Re: Re:  Poem for the Tax payers, posted by William on Jun 19, 2003

Are you one of those whining liberals who believe that it should be against the law to work hard and get rich in this country???

Do you also believe that those who don't pay taxes should get a "tax cut"?

Just curious... :-)

Ray

... in response to Robin Hood?, posted by Ray on Jun 19, 2003

Not a whinner but a middle of the road person who has his eyes open.
Bush and his right wing buddies have zeroed out inheritance taxes. Only applied to millionaires anyway.
They are reducing the capital gains taxes again, too.
Secret plans to zero that out also.
No income tax on dividends, either.
What do millionaires do that DOES get taxed??
With the 'reward the rich' tax plans comming out of this White House, only middle income folks will be paying taxes.
This means that work, (i.e. wages and salaries) carries the major burden of the income tax. The rich, who benefit most from the American system, pays little of nothing.
Of course, large campaign contributions are expected in exchange for these tax breaks.

Oh, bye the bye, the working poor, who pay little, if any, income taxes include the military that did a wonderful job
in Iraq. They do pay taxes, just not income taxes.

... in response to Re: Robin Hood?, posted by William on Jun 20, 2003

Love him or hate him, this is from the Census Bureau. Can you honestly say this is fair?

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/menu/top_50__of_wage_earners_pay_96_09__of_income_taxes.guest.html

... in response to Try this link, posted by surfscum on Jun 20, 2003

Typical Rush, long on wind and short on facts.
Where are the actual numbers? What is the 50% dividing line?
Since the truely poor pay no income tax, that skews the figures.
He sites the fortune 400, but doesn't mention how many millionaires don't pay any taxes at all.
The figures he does site are all pre-Bush tax cuts as well.
With three, so far, tax cuts aimed at the wealthy, the rich pay less now than they did then.
Let's not forget that well paid accountants will tell their rich clients how to 'adjust' their income stream to avoid even the taxes they would otherwise pay.

Of course, Bush allies have also blocked the rules/laws to stop corporations from opening a mail drop in some Caribbean  island to avoid corporate taxes as well.

Lower ranking soldiers with wife and a kid or two, are eligible for food stamps and pay little, if any, income tax.
The working poor still pay SS taxes and Medicare taxes and, in most states, state income taxes.
Taxes start at $5 of income, after ducks and exemptions.

... in response to Re: Robin Hood?, posted by William on Jun 20, 2003

Do you really believe all of that communist nonsense that your are spewing?

And don't tell me that the military doesn't pay income taxes! I spent 20 years in the military training to kill commies and I paid more than my share of income taxes (ROFL)

Tip of the Day: Get your facts straight before you post!

Ray

... in response to What a bunch of ignorant lies..., posted by Ray on Jun 20, 2003

Boy you just can't get along can you Ray?

William was correct about everything he said.
This just goes to show how lost you really are.

According to Rush 96% of the total taxes are paid by the top 50%, he then goes on to say the top 50% starts out
at $26,000 for a couple, I don't know what country
him or you live in but $26K does NOT make one rich here
in the good ole US of A.

More importantly the REAL rich, those individuals making
over 200K a year or more can afford the high priced accountants
to help them AVOID the big share of taxes.  The little guy
is more concerned with getting by and getting their rapid refund.

Finally, Rush's figures don't say what % of the "real"
richs income (200K or more) goes towards taxes compared to
what percentage the average Joe pays in taxes relative to his income.

Yes Ray, I to served in the US Military and you are right
we DID pay MORE than our fair share of taxes.
That is exactly William's point.

... in response to Re: What a bunch of ignorant lies..., posted by Dingo on Jun 20, 2003

Oh, I can get along just fine there Dingo. It seems that YOU are the one with the serious hang-ups! :-)

Ray

... in response to Robin Hood?, posted by Ray on Jun 19, 2003

Work hard and get rich?  No I don't think it should be against the law.  Take jobs overseas where people have different economies and can work for much less without starving, while Americans who wanted enough pay to not starve in OUR economy and no longer have jobs, so that you can get rich?  Yeah I think that should be against the law.

... in response to Re: Robin Hood?, posted by lswote on Jun 19, 2003

i smoke and cigs cost $0.75 Cents in the pi same brand made in usa they cost $3.75 both made and shipped from usa explaian that one

... in response to Re: Re: Robin Hood?, posted by nealt on Jun 19, 2003

maybe America is trying to save lives by over taxing ciggs. It's a good thing. So, of course, smoking in a country other than the U.S. would probably be cheaper.

One thing I did when I went to Vietnam was to totally quit smoking. I have not smoked since. I say, if you can quit, then quit NOW!  Do it for the wife you brought to America. Do it for your kids. Don't make them have to care for a person who is dying from breathing problems.
I've been there. I have buried my grandmother, grandfather, aunts, uncles, great aunts, great uncles, and we all smoked it up at there funerals---go figure!.
I love ya--that's why I am harping--LORI

... in response to Re: Robin Hood?, posted by lswote on Jun 19, 2003

It's always about some evil person grabbing his filthy lucre from the sweat of the poor worker's brow. Right out of the thoeries of Marx.

Let me tell you how it REALLY is. Your customer - in my case the big three automakers, tells you that in order to get the contract, you have to reduce your prices 5% every year for the next five. In Chrysler's case they automatically deduct it from the bill. You bill them $1.00 and they pay you $0.95. So you build new equipment, automate, streamiline everything you can, whip the workers harder, whatever, just to hold your head above water because next year, you KNOW it's going down another 5%, and the year after that, and the year after that.

Then your worker's compensation insurance bill comes in, DOUBLED this year! Oops, the year's up on the lease, here's a 20% increase. Out here in California, our brilliant liberal Democrat governor signs long term electricity contracts for nearly three times what the rest of the country is paying - electric bill +50%. Now our radical left state assembly passes a bill saying employees get 6 weeks off with pay if a member of their family is ill. Naturally everyone's grandmother is suddenly in dire straits, so some go home with pay. So I have to hire temps to maintain keep production at the same level - same production, more costs. Time for a wage increase - same production, more cost again. Another notice from the state arrives. What's this? an tax assessment for clean air? I don't have any machines that create

What's my option? Run the stockholders out of money then shut it down in a couple years? Close the doors today and send everyone home? Raise my prices anyway and have my customers put the parts out for competitive bid (probably in China anyway) or look to cut a few costs (labor, rent, taxes, government add-ons, electricity, etc) by moving some unskilled labor jobs across the border, while keeping the majority of the skilled labor jobs here and the doors open for another year or two? What would you do?

It's really easy to fantasize about fat cats smoking big cigars and sipping single malt in the country club bar and patting each other on the back - the movies make that abundantly clear - but it's about as real as their depictions of every 24 year old petite blonde with big hooters being able to kick the crap out of any mafia hitman or ex-marine bodyguard they come across.

- Jeff S.

... in response to Yet another simplistic viewpoint., posted by Jeff S on Jun 19, 2003

No more simplistic than Ray trying to say the liberals are upset with a man working hard and getting rich.  Plenty of examples where people are getting rich not by working hard but by working angles on people who ARE working hard.  Bush's Enron buddy Kenny boy comes to mind.

... in response to Yet another simplistic viewpoint., posted by Jeff S on Jun 19, 2003

semi-Skilled? If you ship a plant overseas it kills more then the semi-skilled jobs in that plant. What about all of the skilled trades men who work for shops that support that factory. IE. tool and die makers and small custom jobe shops. In my home town in PA. Amp Industries decided to move all of there production plants to china and put 23 small machine shops out of busness.

... in response to Re: Robin Hood?, posted by lswote on Jun 19, 2003

Hey, don't blame ME! Blame the labor unions... :-)