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According to the mentioned Decree, starting July 1, 2005 visas are not required for the US citizens who reenter Ukraine within six months after their previous trip to Ukraine or transit through its territory for a period of up to 90 days with a valid American travel passport.

For the US citizens who enter Ukraine with the purpose of employment, permanent residency, study and work at the diplomatic missions of the USA in Ukraine or with any other purpose if they are going to stay in Ukraine for more than 90 days, visas are required.

Ukraine Sets Visa Free Regime for Revisiting U.S. Citizens
Please, be informed that the President of Ukraine signed the Decree No. 1008/2005 “On the Establishment of Visa-Free Regime for Citizens of the United States of America” on June 30, 2005.

According to the mentioned Decree, starting July 1, 2005 visas are not required for the US citizens who reenter Ukraine within six months after their previous trip to Ukraine or transit through its territory for a period of up to 90 days with a valid American travel passport.

For the US citizens who enter Ukraine with the purpose of employment, permanent residency, study and work at the diplomatic missions of the USA in Ukraine or with any other purpose if they are going to stay in Ukraine for more than 90 days, visas are required.

....I see what you mean. No visa is required as the entry stamp in the passport would denote the previous entry. So I'm wrong that entry could be done without possession of a vaild visa. Then again, since the typical visa is good for 6 months the point is moot.

But a visa is still needed for a first trip or if 6 months elapses. That isn't an issue for guys who have lots of time off and can travel cheap but it's nearly useless for those who get a few weeks per year and must pony up for the fare. It's a step forward for UA though.

So, who's gonna be the brave one to try it?  I'd be interested to know what the real scoop is.

Now two people I know, one a client, who have never been to Ukraine before, who have gone without a visa. One man has been back for a few weeks and one client is there as we speak.

No visa is required to enter Ukraine if you are going as a tourist and your stay is less than 90 days.

...This ain't rocket science people. The typical private stay visa (don't apply for a tourist visa) is a single entry visa with a duration of 6 months.

Based on that the way I understand all this is:

1) As a US citizen you still need a visa to make your first trip.

2) You get the typical visa mentioned above.

3) You go.

4) You can go again within six months but can stay for only 90 days. Repeat as desired.

5) Beyond six months you need a new visa, assuming the original visa was a typical single entry 6 monther. (If it was a multi-entry visa of greater than 6 months duration this is all moot).

In effect the new rule basically renews the typical single entry 6 month visa as long as you enter again within six months. It simply negates having to go through the application process again and coughing up the fee. However, note that you're limited to a 90 day stay if using this "grandfathered" visa. This is in contrast to an allowed 6 month stay using the visa in it's "original" form. Note also that if you bug out of Ukraine during your trip this new decree should cover your re-entry. (Advantageous for taking her someplace).

That's my take on it. If anyone knows different speak up. Fwiw, I still feel a better route is to obtain a multi year, multi entry visa.

Fwiw, a condensed version of the decree itself. (I like the part about fostering contracts in "all fields of relationships". Somehow I doubt they were talking about MOB):

President's Decree No. 1008/2005

On Introduction of Visa Free Regime for US Citizens

With the aim to develop and realize into practice principles of the strategic partnership between Ukraine and the United States of America and guided by the aspirations to simplify the regime for mutual travels and to foster bilateral contacts in all fields of relationships, I issue a decree:

To introduce on July 1, 2005 visa free regime for the US citizens for entering Ukraine and for transit through the territory of Ukraine, if they visit Ukraine for the second time within 6 months from the date of their first visit to Ukraine for the period which doesn't exceed 90 days.

The President of Ukraine

Viktor Yushchenko

June 30, 2005

They aren't clear on defining the term "visit" so the only question I have is if the 6 months begins on the original entry date or the exit date. For example, you enter Ukraine on Sept 1 and stay one month. You exit on Oct 1. Does the 6 month clock start on Sept 1 or Oct 1? I'll go out on a limb and assume it's the entry date but hey, it's Ukraine...anything is possible.

If you want clarification Frank I suggest you send an email *and* pick up the phone. Do it for multiple embassies/consulates. Ask them about the points I made. Or check with the US State Dept. They should know and you should have better luck reaching them.

I thought you were going to Colombia? Becoming a tad erratic aren't we? Not a good sign. You just got yer ass whooped remember? Just what is it with you and the marriage thing anyway? Are you that lonely? You're beginning to come across as a real desperado.

Now there is only the $100.00 application fee for all tourist visas (I am not sure about other types of visas) for Ukrainian citizens.  It used to be $100.00 for the application plus visa fees as follows $10.00 for double entry and $65 for multiple entry.  Ukraine charged US citizens the same fees.

Basically Ukraine is trying to do away with multiple entry fees with their new schedule.  But in typical FSU fashion the wording is obtuse and the bureaucracy doesn't know how to interpret this.

...I dunno, you've always struck me as a happy-go-lucky kinda guy ;)

I seriously doubt any US citizens entered Ukraine without a visa of some form. Euro folks can do it until Sept 1 as I understand it though.

"Settle" for an AW? Yeah Frank, you could. Most everyone else in the US does. There are plenty of good ones out there. Maybe not as many 21 year old trophies as you'd like but plenty of good ones who are nevertheless looking for exactly same things you are and are way less of a risk. But you don't really want that do you? Instead you want other, more shallow traits, for purely self centered reasons. Why is it that MOB men condemn AW for shallowness and then go abroad armed with the same? It's the height of hypocrisy. If you're to the point where you really think FSU women are "better" in ways that truly matter in a partner, in ways that will power a relationship over a lifetime, then you're further gone than I thought.

I remind you billions of people the world over "settle" for marrying their own kind and are just as happy as any MOB couple. Jeez Frank, do you *honestly* believe MOB guys have stumbled onto some great secret of maritial happiness? One that the rest of the world doesn't know about? Good grief, you'd have to be seriously screwed up to believe that. The "problem" doesn't lie with any particular brand of women Frank, it lies with MOB men. It lies with you. The sooner you wise up to this basic truth the better off you'll be and the sooner you'll find real happiness.

And that wasn't the source of my puzzlement anyway, it was why you're in such a headlong rush to be married in the first place, why you seem to feel the need to depend on another individual for happiness or to feel complete...so much so you're willing to go through what you already have and whatever awaits in the future.

...No need to get riled. Permit me the pleasure of more rambling:

I think you missed a few of my points, one of which is you don't seem to be looking for an A/W. Not in the last few years at least. You seem to have focused (and still are) all your attention abroad. Nor do you have to have one night stands with the AW you were meeting. How hard have you been trying to do otherwise? And you're trying to convince me there are no AW who want to have a family? Come on, do you really believe that? What planet are you living on?

Lol, I wonder how many guys wish they had your problem: that every women they meet is only looking for casual sex. Is that representative of the women in Texas? Since when? If that's the kind of women you're always meeting than you're looking in the wrong place, age group, galaxy, something. Whose fault is it you're dealing with those types? Whose fault is it you're dealing with the kind you've been meeting in the FSU? Or the one you married? You're the one doing the pickin' Frank. Here, chomp on this:

http://tinyurl.com/55qjx

There's nothing wrong with marrying a foreigner if you meet one in a "normal" way. But you're shopping for them in impoverished countries where their motivation for marrying you is anything but pure. Jeez, your recent experience alone should've shown you that. If you think otherwise you're more naive than I thought. And of course they understand you're seeking a wife, why else would you even be in those particular countries? Duh.

How come you don't go to Spain or France? Or New Zealand? You know, where men are men and the sheep are nervous? Or any number of other countries? It's because there is no market, because the motivation for marriage in those countries would be based on something other than a desire on their part to escape or a desire on your part to snag something you can't get at home...and not because of the local talent. It ain't their fault, it's yours. You've been hoodwinked Frankie, sucked deep into the MOB ether. There is only one chance for your salvation. Come my son, come over to the Dark Side and pray with me:

http://tinyurl.com/97ygr

Btw, I wasn't refering to your ex-wife's looks. I'm aware of what she looked like. I know she was nothing to write home about but I was refering to her age. And if it wasn't her looks, what was it that attracted you to her? Was it her personality? Her desire to be wife and mother? Her fidelity? Are we talking about the same woman you just sent home? The one you picked in spite of all the red flags? You're awash in a sea of lemon juice Frank.

As for you getting lots of action I'm also aware you're not quite the dashing leather clad rocker you make yourself out to be. So don't try and BS me Frank, I know better.

My point still stands: As long as you're unwilling to face the fact the problem is yours and yours alone, either in attitude, technique, demographics, ignorance, or whatever, it's gonna be a rough ride. Sure, you may pull this off. Anyone can go over and find an FSU girl to marry, Lord knows there are plenty of FSU women looking specifically for "easy" guys like you. But the odds of you being happy, no, the odds of you staying happy, are much slimmer when compared to doing it the normal way, and for the right reasons.

Btw, what happened to this wonderful 6 year marriage of yours? Lemme guess: Whatever happened was mainly her fault right? Most MOB guys blame the woman you know. They haven't learned the only thing common in every one of their failed relationships was themselves.

Ah well. It's your life Frank, not my place to tell you how to run it...but you'd better not come cryin' again.

I think it's time you had a kid.  Your profile says you've been married since 2000.  Is that true?  I might be tempted to join the Church Of Reality myself if it weren't for the fact that my two year-old daughter takes up pretty much all of my spare time.  Diapers, skinned knees, and reading the potty training story book keep me from contemplating "reality" too much.  I figure by the time she's out of the house alzheimers will most likely keep me from any further contemplation.

...Lol, now *that's* gotta be an interesting read. Never could get the hang of it myself. The pile of old clothes in the hallway has served me well for years so I see no need to change now.

I guess that Heaven's Gate thing still has you folks spooked down there eh? Fear not, I'm as solid as a rock...at least until the Mother Ship arrives.

I really oughta check out the stuff people send me before I use it but now that I've waded thru the Church Of Reality a lot of what the guy has too say makes sense. I was actually buying into some of it before I saw he's a redneck from West Virginia who came up with all that while on the wacky tabacky. Lol, talk about being a hypocrite. I still believe mainly as he does though: you have to deal with the way things are, anything else is a delusion.

Me married? You gotta be kidding. Has to be vicious rumor perpetrated by my enemies. A kid? No way, kids are for people who've never had them. I already have two from a marriage in a galaxy far, far away. In fact I'm a grandfather twice over. Besides, birthing another two-legged tumor now would severely cramp my style. My squeeze and the dog give me enough grief as it is. But she's a good dog, turns out she'll let anyone eat out of her bowl...no matter how drunk he is ;)

...Lol, I see you've stumbled onto one of my categories of MOB men you asked about earlier.

No, fraid not. It'll get unpleasant in about half that time. Your Princess Buttercup is still at the 'lil darling stage but they all go downhill at around 13. It's even worse with girls. But look on the bright side: She'll have learned to use the potty by then ;)

Gets better once they leave the nest as long as they don't return or you end up having to deal with their divorces, financial or legal screwups, ect. If you're real unlucky you might even end up raising their kid(s). Then it's all downhill again as you become elderly and they begin circling over your assets like vultures. I dunno, sometimes I think I should've just gone out for a pack of smokes and never came back. Or harvested their organs for beer money and been done with it. Anyway, you have my sympathies well in advance ;)

Pssst, hey Frank: Guess I was wrong, you do bruise easily. Relax. Btw, you come across as being nowhere near ready for primetime in the fatherhood department. I'll wager you're unaware of that too. Then again, maybe you should have a kid. You'll get to learn there are some things in life that can't be undone, can't be made to disappear, and must be paid for.

I think you have no right to tell Frank not to come back and tell about another misery. This is the place for doing it, and as far as I remember a lot of guy thanked him for sharing with them. You are not obligated to get engaged in his life and problems, and his problems are not yours. In other words, Frank has the right to share with us his problems even if you don't like it.

However, I think many men seeking a foreign bride are unrealistic and believe they leave their problems behind them when they go to a foreign country. I, myself has adviced Frank to look for a woman in his own country. I don't think he took that advice seriously. I tried to enlist some of the problems with living with a foreign women, and there could be more to that list, but I got a feeling he wouldn't listen and is seduced by the beautiful ladies he can find in the catalogs and knowing they are within reach.

Frank has openly and somewhat naive told us about his failure. Most guys here have showed him their sympathy. Your letter is of a different nature. I think, if you really would like to do something good for Frank, you would have reveal a little more sympathy and understanding. I think you hurt him by your posts, and that was not necessary unless you wanted to demonstrate something for yourself.

1) Of course I have no right to tell anybody what to do about anything. I'm sure most everyone understood what I meant by the comment. Regardess of what I (or anyone) says Frank will continue to do as he wishes. That he will likely continue to pay a price for doing so will be his burden to bear and is of no concern of mine.

2) This is a place for telling about such miseries as his? You've got to be kidding.

3) Along with others, I too offered sympathy for his situation. Was that not a violation of your "us not being obligated to engage in his life and problems" statement? Sorry, you can't have it both ways. And considering the background and cuase of his problem, exactly what was Frank "sharing" with us that had any real value? Any benefit gained in doing so was his, not ours.

4) Those who responded were few compared to the number of those here. I'll wager the vast majority of those who didn't respond felt quite differently about Frank and his problem. You're failing to consider them.

5) Hurt him? If Frank is a big boy he'll hardly be hurt by anything said on an internet board. And if he can be, he ought to consider that before posting intimate details of his life, especially blantant screw ups. I doubt he's anywhere near the marshmellow you're coming across as.

5) That Frank is naive is an gross understatement but that is the least of his problems.

6) That many MOB men are unrealisitc is another but you're either ignorant or ignoring why they're unrealistic. I am not and do not.

7) In case you haven't noticed, my posts are usually of a different nature. I don't think like most of these guys. That said, I've been in somewhat of a foul mood the last couple of days. I have good and bad periods, just like anyone else.

Streetwise: I was kidding. It's no secret here what I think about any form of religion or cult. My point was that MOB (speaking of cults) men adjust "reality" to meet their needs, ignoring the way things really are. Some adjust so much they're barely hanging on. Worse, many in MOB enter it just barely hanging on.

Point 3.
His experiences can be a learning lessons to most of us if not to you.

Point 4. How can you elaborate that those who didn't reply have another opinion than those who replied. Do you know something the rest of us don't. It is more logic to assume that what was written is what most people thought.

Point 5. You're apparently right. He says himself he was not hurt. Still I sense a sensitive feeling in his reply. And you are stilling trying to run over him.

Point 6. it would be interesting to hear you elaborate this a little more.

Point 7. I've noticed your posts are different. However, I'm not sure if it is so because you are different or just pretend to be different from the rest of us. I would be interesting to hear more about that. In fact I've always found it interesting to listen to people who is thinking differently, and I always defend their right to do so and the value of it.

"Honestly" you didn't finish reading the post? But the marriage and "her fault" comment was at the end? More self denial?

Shrinks? I'm not a fan of the profession as I've had to deal with them for career related issues but they've instilled in me an interest of human behavior, including my own. So lay back on the couch and continue to tell us all about how you perceive yours. It's fascinating stuff.

Hangover? I hope not as in ethanol. Little old for that kind of thing aren't you? Besides, I thought you guys prefered controlled substances?

I'm just pulling yer chain Frank, no harm intended. I'm off to work tonight so everyone gets a break from my whackiness for a week or so.

Anyway I am curious why exactly do you want a MOB instead of an AW? Soulds like you do pretty well for yourself with the AW woman whereas I do not?  If I had good AW options I would probably forget all about MOB.  
Thank you
Fathertime

...My thought is I am almost always lovable if given a chance but the AW's I want will not give me that opportunity just as I won't give the ugly ones that like me the opportunity...

Kinda makes you a hypocrite don't it? No wonder don't you have "good options" with AW. You base the quality and selection of a mate on looks. Meanwhile you confess you're not up to their standards in that department but are lovable if given the chance. So you refuse to accept from AW the same strength you offer as one of your best qualities? Yep, you're classic MOB material alright.

Lol, you continue to be one of the shallowest guys I've ever seen grace this place but I gotta give you credit: At least you're self-aware and not living a delusion, you freely admit to being one of the messed up that mostly inhabit MOB. That's pretty rare in this biz so there may be hope for you yet. Then again, a guy who says he has no time and willingness to seek a mate at home but has the time and willingness to do so abroad implies a few cracks in the shell, so I'm not sure what to think ;)

Oh and yeah, at 37 you're ready for the grave. Boo-hoo, yer breakin' my heart. I'd kill to be where you are...

I would like to hear more from you because thus far I am not finding anything useful that I did not already know from your post about me but perhaps the next one will give me an insight that will inspire a change in my attitude.  

BTW I am not upset about being 37 there is no need for crocodile tears on this subject.

Thank you for your interest
Fathertime    

Quirky instead of messed up? OK, fair nuff. But ya gotta admit, this statement:

"What I do have is a very stong adversion to meeting woman that I mutually click with. I am just too damn quirky and extreme for my own good but that must have its perks or I would not be that way"

would be considered by most to be a sign of more than quirkiness.

My point was that men who seek foreign brides are viewed as being "different" (just ask the public in any country involved for their opinion) and you seem to fit that fit description quite well.

It'd be interesting to know your past relationship history, number of marriages, relationships, their outcomes, ect. Care to enlighten me?

I will tell you a bit of my past but I would like to hear some of yours as well.  You must have a first hand  experience or two that something can be learned from.

As a young man I did not have any serious relationships.  I honestly was able to attract woman but just had no long term use for them.  I shake my head in disgust when I think of how immature I was but I learned a lot along the way and was lucky to not be one of the guys who was always out in the cold with women.
I have been married once (7years)to an outstanding American woman.  Ultimately we both evolved in different directions and we split but still remain buddies.  I am very involved with the childrens lives and am semi-retired through the dumb luck of the real estate market and some useful talents I have parlayed.  
Of course there is plenty more but this gives you a general idea of who I am. I await some details of your personal life perhaps there is something to be learned.

Thank you
Fathertime

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