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... in response to Who is in charge of this forum? NT, posted by Felinessa on Jun 13, 2005


Patrick is-- tell him you want my posting privileges removed.

Tell him you are one of those hot Russian desirable, superior babes and therefore you don't believe in free speech. Tell him you can't take it when someone shines a light on you. Well, that's pretty obvious.

I check in here once in a blue moon anyway to share experiences. Real ones, not theoretical ones!

Please post your Ph.D. thesis!  I want some large laughs tonight!

... in response to Who is in charge of this forum? You've g..., posted by Scaught on Jun 13, 2005

You are such an embarrassment.

That woman was a potentially invaluable resource to men on this forum.  She had the courage to lay out her story--which, by the way, wasn't as pretentious as you portrayed it to be--and you totally humiliated her.  One of the few women with the "balls" to join PL, express an intelligent viewpoint, share some insite, and you chased her off.

Congrats, PL Misogynist of the Year!

... in response to Re: Who is in charge of this forum? You'..., posted by doombug on Jun 14, 2005

You are so inexperienced with women that you find that this kid has enlightened you in some way? You are putting me on, right?

I hope everyone here stays, and more people join up, but just don't expect me to kiss their butts when they have nothing -- or misinformation-- to offer.

... in response to Who is in charge of this forum? You've g..., posted by Scaught on Jun 13, 2005

"I check in here once in a blue moon anyway to share experiences. Real ones, not theoretical ones!"

I don't see you sharing anything.  You're simply venting your anger on a woman who happens to be from the same area of the world as someone who hurt you.  You're perfectly welcome to share your negative stories, but please do so with civility.

In case your edits were done to remove the worst from your offending posts, I've turned off editing capability in your account.

... in response to Re: Who is in charge of this forum? You'..., posted by Patrick on Jun 14, 2005

Hello Patrick:

Ask Frankie O, Travis, Streetwise, Globetrotter if I am sharing anything valuable. For each one of them, there are hundreds more still cowering in the darkness of their failed efforts at finding love.

The point of view on this site is overwhelmingly in favor of trusting these FSU girls. Statistics are coming out to show that very few of these marriages work, and they end up disastrously. I think you would want people knowing the almost certain dangers of being involved with an FSU MOB.  If it happened to you Patrick (and it can't because your bride is not FSU), my sharing would not be questioned.

Men need to be warned. Period! There is a script they follow. It works quite well. Men, who did nothing wrong, have ended up in jail because of the women who follow it, who just so happen to come from these FSU countries. I think you should have a link to a page with this script, then no one would have to continually warn men. I offer to compose it for your site.

I have been on this site for about four or five years. I usually go many months without posting because other people with experience will step forward. I guess those people are taking the week off, or don't come here anymore. Anyway, it is probably a waste of time to share real experiences here. Anything that threatens men's propaganda driven dreams is pretty hard to overcome. They'll just have to learn on their own. Pain is a good teacher. Severe pain is the best teacher.

On another note: When Professor Cat Woman apologized, I edited a few things. That's it. I thought it was the right thing to do under the changed circumstances. Who cares if she posts or doesn't? What does she have to offer? She's a 24-year-old kid just taking up bandwidth. But don't expect me to swallow her ridiculousness. For example, her profile clearly claims she's a professor. I exposed that as a lie or distortion. Should I not have done that? Read her profile yourself. If you allow things like these to go on unchallenged, I will ask you why.

... in response to Re: Re: Who is in charge of this forum? ..., posted by Scaught on Jun 14, 2005

Scaught,

Write up your script and I'll put it on the scams page.

From my point of view, it looked more like you were simply attacking this woman out of the blue for no apparent reason.  She was actually skeptical of the motivations of many of these women herself, as you are.  Why do you dislike her?

Dwelling on what happened to you and lashing out at other FSU women isn't going to help you.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Who is in charge of this for..., posted by Patrick on Jun 15, 2005

The script is in one of the postings above. Each step is numbered. Please also add the url I just posted so people won't assume that Travis and I are making this up. It IS hard still even for me to believe that the US government is enabling these creatures to use our judicial system against us, but they are hanging us out to rot.

About the kid who claims she is a professor in her profile, but backed down when I called her on the impossibility of this: I tried to be critical of the substance (none) inherit in the information she posted. If you don't believe she is a fraud (read her profile and her postings for discrepancies), so be it. That's your business. No one has to take any heed of anything I ever wrote. If you check my previous postings, you will see I am a real professor, and I taught full-time at Harvard University and moved on to a better job, so I am in a unique position to see through phonies and wannabes like her. I don't flaunt it and really don't even want to bring it up here, but there it is.  I do take my profession very seriously, and do take offense to phonies and pretenders. If we had a phony aviator, would you stop LP from letting it rip? The real academic world is full of dissension. My colleagues are constantly at each other's throats. She needs to know her BS won't walk if she is serious about the field, and it is her advantage to know this sooner than later.

With my recent (and temporary) flurry of postings, you can see that I feel a strong sense of responsibility to share my real experience, and also that it is the rule, not the exception, but you can see for yourself how ingrained the russian babe propaganda is. The maimed go back for more, as if it were a hunting trip and they are obsessed in getting the bag limit. They think a scammer list will help. They think most of these women are basically good. I can only relate the facts as immigration officials and a few of us here know all too well, but I can't let myself get too involved in caring about if anyone is going to wise up about the pursuit of these FSU creatures.

But Patrick, you would be doing a HUGE service to men if you post the script and the url (from bcis). We see postings by a lot of hot air types who have nothing to say and can't learn even from their own tragedies, but the sizeable numbers of lurkers who are proceeding cautiously will be all the wiser and fully armed.

Probably my aggressiveness turned some people off from the message. That's too bad. I didn't act chivalrous toward the fraud. I wasn't in the mood, and it wasn't deserved. The script posted with the bcis url about abuse-- http://uscis.gov/text/howdoi/battered.htm -- can stand alone as a resource without the clash of personalities getting in the way.

... in response to H e l l o    P a t r i c k !, posted by Scaught on Jun 16, 2005

Scaught, you didn’t try to be critical of any substance in her first post. You came out shooting and made a complete ass of yourself. If you would have actually READ her post before you attacked, you may have saved yourself the embarrassment.

The lady never claimed to be a professor. What she said EXACTLY was “When I finish my PhD”. So Mr. intelligence, how in the hell did you interpret that to mean she was claiming to be a professor with a doctorate degree??? It sure seemed to me that she was telling us that she was a graduate student with a scholarship, NOT a professor.

You also accused her of being Russian, seeking men to write to her, wanting to immigrate to the U.S., etc. Absolutely NONE of that came from her post. It came from YOUR deranged mind! You just ASSUMED that she was one of those evil bitches that you are obsessed with, didn't you?

Now why don’t you stop with the idiotic nonsense about falsely claiming to be a professor? She never said that, so give it a rest.

Just my $.02,

Ray

... in response to H e l l o    P a t r i c k !, posted by Scaught on Jun 16, 2005

Introduction to The Script

All FSU women know The Script before coming to the US, or once they get their FSU network going (give her a few weeks or a few months at the most). A scammer list will not help you. Each and everyone of them is quite capable of pulling it off, regardless of looks, age or professed belief in Christianity. I understand you are in a state of complete disbelief. This disbelief is going to ruin your life. Welcome to the Kafkaesque World of US Immigration Law-- a world in which the guy is left wide open by the Gov to get completely screwed!

The following will be confirmed by anyone who works in US Immigration. Hey, don't take my word for it! URLs are also provided to encourage your own personal exploration. Warning: What you learn will completely contradict the proganda about the desirable and sincere Russian/Ukrainian/Lithuanian/Romanian/-ian babes, and what wonderful spouses they will make you! It's up to you to figure out what is real. I conclude that the pursuit of these women is completely stupid for Western men, but you could argue that there is a fine line between stupidity and bravery, and I will wish you luck-- and you'll need tons of it!!!

The Script

(There are variations, but this is the core.)

1. You get married.
2. You treat her well, but you want a divorce because it isn't working.
3. Her visa status is threatened by divorce. The US Immigration people will let her stay, according to US law, ONLY if she is abused. (See: http://uscis.gov/text/howdoi/battered.htm )
4. She plays the abuse card. She packs up and moves out.
5. She moves in immediately to a shelter for abused women to get the judge's sympathy.
6. She slaps a restraining order on you (no proof of anything needed!) with the wildest allegations and files for divorce, if you haven't already.
7. There is a trial. Preponderance of the evidence does NOT apply in these proceedings. (See: http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:j0YugBpT2uIJ:www.massoutrage.com/rodirtytricks.htm+constitutional+right+%22trial+by+jury%22+%22restraining+order%22&hl=en
). One judge decides your fate. The judge leans (by law) towards believing the immigrant. (Any lawyer will tell you this-- contact one who has experience with retraining orders.) If you lose, you may be imprisoned, even though you never did anything wrong. You also may never work in your profession again (depends on the job).
8. You lose the trial as there is no need for any evidence other than her word to convict you, or you win if you videotaped or audiorecorded your every conversation with her to prove your innocence (so don't expect to prevail!).
9. You are imprisoned because of her perjury, or you are free to pay her thousands of dollars in spousal support.
10. She stays in the USA!!! She gets permanent residency and the Evil Empire wins!!!

In conclusion, you are now wiser as to what cards you bride is waiting to play against you. If you go through with the marriage, odds are that she will definitely go through this script if you decide to end the marriage. Good luck with whatever you decide, but aren't the local girls looking much, much more attractive now?

... in response to Here's the Manual/ The Script, Complete ..., posted by Scaught on Jun 16, 2005

Introduction to The Script

All FSU women know The Script before coming to the US, or once they get their FSU network going (give her a few weeks or a few months at the most). A scammer list will not help you. Each and every one of them is quite capable of pulling it off, regardless of looks, age or professed belief in Christianity. I understand you are now in a State of Complete Disbelief. This disbelief is going to Ruin Your Life. Welcome to the Kafkaesque World of US Immigration Law-- a world in which the guy is left wide open by the Gov to get completely screwed!

The following will be confirmed by anyone who works in US Immigration. Hey, don't take my word for it! URLs are also provided to encourage your own personal exploration. Warning: What you learn will completely contradict the proganda about the desirable and sincere Russian/Ukrainian/Lithuanian/Romanian/-ian babes, and what wonderful spouses they will make you! It's up to you to figure out what is real. I conclude that the pursuit of these women is completely stupid for Western men, but you could argue that there is a fine line between stupidity and bravery, and I will wish you luck-- and you'll need tons of it!!!

The Script

(There are variations, but this is the core.)

1. You get married.
2. You treat her well, but you want a divorce because it isn't working.
3. Her visa status is threatened by divorce. The US Immigration people will let her stay, according to US law, ONLY if she is abused. (See: http://uscis.gov/text/howdoi/battered.htm )
4. She plays the abuse card. She packs up and moves out.
5. She moves in immediately to a shelter for abused women to make it look good and get the judge's (and everyone else's) sympathy.
6. She slaps a restraining order on you (no proof of the alleged abuse  whatsoever is needed!) with the wildest allegations and files for divorce, if you haven't already. Ooops! There goes the US Constitution out the window!!!
7. There is a trial. Preponderance of the evidence does NOT apply in these proceedings. (See: http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:j0YugBpT2uIJ:www.massoutrage.com/rodirtytricks.htm+constitutional+right+%22trial+by+jury%22+%22restraining+order%22&hl=en
). One judge decides your fate. The judge leans (by law) towards believing the immigrant. (Any lawyer will tell you this-- contact one who has experience with restraining orders.) If you lose, you may be imprisoned, even though you never did anything wrong. You also may never work in your profession again (depends on the job).
8. You lose the trial as there is no need for any evidence other than her word to convict you, or you win if you videotaped or audiorecorded your every conversation with her to prove your innocence (so don't expect to prevail!).
9. You are imprisoned because of her perjury, or you are free to pay her thousands of dollars in spousal support.
10. She stays in the USA!!! She gets permanent residency and the Evil Empire wins!!!

In conclusion, you are now wiser as to what cards your bride is waiting to play against you. If you go through with the marriage, odds are that she will definitely go through this script if you decide to end the marriage. Good luck with whatever you decide, but aren't the local girls looking much, much more attractive now?

... in response to V 1.1 Here's the Manual/ The Script, Com..., posted by Scaught on Jun 16, 2005

Introduction to The Script

All FSU women know The Script before coming to the US, or once they get their FSU network going (give her a few weeks or a few months at the most). A scammer list will not help you. Each and every one of them is quite capable of pulling it off, regardless of looks, age or professed belief in Christianity. I understand you are now in a State of Complete Disbelief. Holding stubbornly on to this disbelief is going to Ruin Your Life. Welcome to the Kafkaesque World of US Immigration Law-- a world in which the guy is left wide open by the Gov to get completely screwed!

The following will be confirmed by anyone who works in US Immigration. Hey, don't take my word for it! URLs are also provided to encourage your own personal exploration. Warning: What you learn will completely contradict the proganda about the desirable and sincere Russian/Ukrainian/Lithuanian/Romanian/-ian babes, and what wonderful spouses they will make you! It's up to you to figure out what is real. I conclude that the pursuit of these women is completely stupid for Western men, but you could argue that there is a fine line between stupidity and bravery, and I will wish you luck-- and you'll need tons of it!!!

The Script

(There are variations, but this is the core.)

1. You get married.
2. You treat her well, but you want a divorce because it isn't working.
3. Her visa status is threatened by divorce. The US Immigration people will let her stay, according to US law, ONLY if she is abused. (See: http://uscis.gov/text/howdoi/battered.htm )
4. She plays the abuse card. She packs up and moves out.
5. She moves in immediately to a shelter for abused women to make it look good and get the judge's (and everyone else's) sympathy.
6. She slaps a restraining order on you (no proof of the alleged abuse whatsoever is needed!) with the wildest allegations and files for divorce, if you haven't already. Ooops! There goes the US Constitution out the window!!!
7. There is a trial. Preponderance of the evidence does NOT apply in these proceedings. (See: http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:j0YugBpT2uIJ:www.massoutrage.com/rodirtytricks.htm+constitutional+right+%22trial+by+jury%22+%22restraining+order%22&hl=en
). One judge decides your fate. The judge leans (by law) towards believing the immigrant. (Any lawyer will tell you this-- contact one who has experience with restraining orders.) If you lose, you may be imprisoned, even though you never did anything wrong. You also may never work in your profession again (depends on the job).
8. You lose the trial as there is no need for any evidence other than her word to convict you, or you win if you videotaped or audiorecorded your every conversation with her to prove your innocence (so don't expect to prevail!).
9. You are imprisoned because of her perjury, or you are free to pay her thousands of dollars in spousal support.
10. She stays in the USA!!! She gets permanent residency and the Evil Empire wins!!!

In conclusion, you are now wiser as to what cards your bride is waiting to play against you. If you go through with the marriage, odds are that she will definitely go through this script if you decide to end the marriage. Good luck with whatever you decide, but aren't the local girls looking much, much more attractive now?

... in response to Re: Re: Who is in charge of this forum? ..., posted by Scaught on Jun 14, 2005

I'm VERY dubious about ALL women now. I KNOW that's stupid but man from here on boy am I going to second guess EVERYTHING a girl does or tells me. Having said that I'm going back & trying again. No more Mr. Nice Guy.

... in response to Who is in charge of this forum? You've g..., posted by Scaught on Jun 13, 2005

Thanks, Scaught, I already did.

I believe in free speech.  What I don't believe in is slander.

If you want a good laugh, re-read your posts.  The KFC similes are precious.

... in response to Re: Who is in charge of this forum? You'..., posted by Felinessa on Jun 13, 2005

[This message has been edited by Scaught]

Where's the thesis? I want to read it.

P.S. Cat Woman, I love you!

... in response to Re: Re: Who is in charge of this forum? ..., posted by Scaught on Jun 13, 2005

Oh, Scaught, my lovely friend, me wish could send thesis to you, but computer broke!!! Disk lost!!! Why things like that happen to me?? Only you, mine lovely, can help.  Send $500 by Western Union? 1000 kisses.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Who is in charge of this for..., posted by Felinessa on Jun 13, 2005

C a t   W o m a n :  Y o u   a r e   a l r i g h t ! ! !

Cool reply. Seriously!!!

You know, probably five or six idiots will offer you money for your broken computer!!! Will you split it with me 50/50? I feel I deserve it as (1) I inspired your message, and (2) I am your manager.

We scam five or six today, but I see us working as a team to milk several grand a month from trusty, lonely souls. We deserve the money more than they do!

Scaught

... in response to Cat Woman -- U  R  OK in My Book!, posted by Scaught on Jun 13, 2005

http://www.antiscam.org/cgi-bin/as/search.cgi?template0=nomatches.htm&template2=details1.htm&scammers.login_option=6&scammers.login=HalidaAlekperova

What's money for a computer when this tart got 60 grand? SIXTY GRAND, people!!!! That's a college degree ... a house ... 3 new cars ...

... in response to Re: Cat Woman -- U  R  OK in My Book!, posted by Felinessa on Jun 13, 2005

NT

... in response to Re: Cat Woman -- U  R  OK in My Book!, posted by Felinessa on Jun 13, 2005

Right, I say let's go for it!!! Believe me, there's a nice, lovable, kind, trusting "Ole Red" on every corner in this country who doesn't know how good he's got it already. You know a house you would call a dump is half a million dollars in San Diego? I am not kidding. How about getting half of that action times 100!

I need to get the money back my Ukrainian criminal bride took me for, so I am highly motivated, and I work well with others. The best part is we can set our own hours and work from the comfort of our own home computer. Maybe Patrick can provide the seed money for photographs and postage. We need to create a few new websites that look legitimate. Maybe you could write the article about how intelligent, moral and desirable these women are. We need our own version.

So much to do!!!

Scaught