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Scaught,

You have provided the readers of this forum with much  very strong advice and cautionary tales based on your admitted bitter experience with an FSU woman.

I would be very interested in hearing a summary of this experience and I suspect others would be so interested.

Hamlet

... in response to Scaught, please tell your story, posted by Hamlet on Jun 14, 2005


We will never know the true story of course, but in my opinion he did abuse his wife.  He certainly tried to coerce/force her to go back to FSU. Read the posts on archive 250.

He went berserk at me when I warned him of what he is now claiming to be "the script". Patrick deleted all the insulting stuff back then. He will probably have to do the same now...

If you go to FSU, pick a puppy, bring her home to USA, get board with her, want a divorce, and then try to force her to go back to FSU, how can you be surprised when she bites you???

That is your script and you share it with a lot of other guys.  

You got the unhappiness you deserved.

... in response to Re: Scaught, please tell your story, posted by leslie on Jun 15, 2005

Why would I tell you the truth? I certainly have no intention of telling you or anyone else here exactly what happened. I don't owe you an explanation. I don't care if you are certain that I beheaded her with one swift stroke of a super sharp Arab sword.

The SCRIPT is worth its weight in gold. It's the most valuable piece of information ever presented on this site.

Good luck with that woman of yours! [On the train, Leslie bites into his vegemite sandwich, oblivious to the bus load of children stalled on the tracks ahead...]

... in response to Re: Scaught, please tell your story, posted by leslie on Jun 15, 2005

Unfortunately, Leslie, it sounds like some men react like that: since they didn't know the girl too well, they soon find out that things aren't working out (and it doesn't have to be anyone's fault), and try to get rid of her.  Now that girl left family, friends, possibly school or a career, and she finds herself kicked out with nothing to cling to.  Some ARE scammers, and I have no sympathy for the shit they pull, but others I'm sure are well-intentioned, and it's pity they get treated like that just because Mr. Big decided he wanted a new toy.  

I know they get villified a lot, but perhaps there is another side we very rarely think about: situations in which the woman is abused and the man cries "scammer" in order to monopolize attention and sympathy.

Just out of curiosity, does the US have any support system in place for MOBs?

... in response to Re: Re: Scaught, please tell your story, posted by Felinessa on Jun 15, 2005

"Just out of curiosity, does the US have any support system in place for MOBs?"

It's called the Violence Against Women Act of 1994. The problem being is there is absolutely no protection for the men that are falsely accused. And the women are not prosecuted for false statements when proven they were lying. Women are more often using this law as a means of retaining a green card at the price of a mans life. My ex tried just this after being married three weeks. I don't know Scaughts story, so I can't vouch for him and what happened.

Fortunately I had proof...an email she wrote, and audio cassette and photos. Most men in that predictament don't have the evidence I had. Though I still wrongly spent 1 night in jail for something I didn't do.

I think I have a unique insight into the anger one would feel after being used in this manner and I somewhat understand it.

... in response to Yes, posted by Travis on Jun 15, 2005

Yes, this is one thing that happened. There are so many clueless idiots on this list who need to know about this train wreck that they are about to become if they get involved with these FSU creatures.

Travis, you know. This information is also quite readily found on BCIS' website.

... in response to LISTEN TO TRAVIS PEOPLE !, posted by Scaught on Jun 15, 2005

Scaught,  time to cut back on the coffee,  too much caffiene.  Or didj'a get yer meds mixed-up?

... in response to LISTEN TO TRAVIS PEOPLE !, posted by Scaught on Jun 15, 2005

No, it's not. Nor is it available anywhere else. Perhaps that's because it doesn't exist? Or do you have another theory?

- Dan

... in response to "This information is also quite rea..., posted by Dan on Jun 15, 2005

http://uscis.gov/text/howdoi/battered.htm

Dan: You are mentally retarded. I will pray that you will find your false love in the FSU, and get the full script.

... in response to Okay, I see I am wasting my time on the ..., posted by Scaught on Jun 16, 2005

Surely you can come up with something more creative.

As for your posted link - it falls vastly short of supporting your claim that, "... it's the same four guys who are still married, despite the hundreds of new marriages over the past four years. Everyone else has been screwed over by the FSU Catalog Queens."

Now, as for your ceaseless rantings and tirades, I think Felinessa has you pegged when she surmises that your behavior on the board (boorish, overbearing and insulting) is only a glimpse of the hellish existence you created for the poor woman you duped into coming with you.

Thank goodness she found her way out. We should be so fortunate.

- Dan

... in response to LOL Personal Insults are the Purview of ..., posted by Dan on Jun 16, 2005

Hey everyone, Born Yesterday Dan (not to be confused with the knowledgeable and lovably cantankerous Dan who owns the agency) wrote that BCIS has no policy about ladies' staying by claiming abuse. I fired right back with the URL. So, effortlessly revealed to all as a prizewinning donkey in essence, he follows up with a nonsequitur.

Let's have a pool-- I say B.Y. Dan is gonna be fleeced down to the bone! Oh yeah! I put $500 down on it. Patrick, hold the money. Who says he will only be fleeced down to the first layer of epidermis, the 2nd, the 3rd layer, and who, alternatively, will wager it'll go down to the inner organs. I also put another $500 on her name being Katerina.

This should be a reality show! I would break down and buy a TV just to watch B.Y. Dan get put through the ringer by his sweet, sincere darling, sincerely interested in that green card via his chewed up and spat out body!

... in response to B. Y. Dan = Nonsequitur, posted by Scaught on Jun 16, 2005

OK - I'll take those odds. Patrick - will you hold the money???

Question for your Scaught - how long do I have to wait to take your $$

If I make it a year of marriage - do I get your money? Two years? Three? How long, exactly?!?

You already put $500 on her name - so does that mean I can collect if you are wrong??

Come on - put your money where your (LOUD)mouth is.

- Dan

... in response to "Dan is gonna be fleeced" . . ..., posted by Dan on Jun 16, 2005

I would be viewing your fleecing right now live on FOX, if the government were faster with processing Catalog Queen Visas. Three years will be more than enough, and the clock begins as soon as the arm strings of your straightjacket are untied!

It's gonna be either Katerina or Ekaterina. I also would also like the courtesy of receiving full credit for variations like: Katherine, Kat, "Professor Kat Kid", or "Catherine the Fleecer of Born Yesterday Dan".

... in response to Re: "Dan is gonna be fleeced" ..., posted by Scaught on Jun 16, 2005

Sorry Scaughty, but I'm afraid Dan is holding all the cards on this bet.  You had better take his advice and fold up your tent before you get fleeced.

... in response to Re: "Dan is gonna be fleeced" ..., posted by Scaught on Jun 16, 2005

Just want to be sure knumbnut - you are saying that I will not make it to 3 years of marriage to a woman from the FSU - and you will pay me $500 if I make it past that point.

Yes or no?

Further, you are adding another $500 that the woman whom I marry will be named Katerina or Ekaterina. So if I choose a woman of another name, you will pay me $500.

Yes or no?

I presume your wager is in US Dollars. I further presume you are in a position to make good on your idiotic wager.

Yes or no?

Come on ace - put up or shut your overloaded mouth!

- Dan

... in response to Scaught, please tell your story, posted by Hamlet on Jun 14, 2005

Has anyone considered that he actually did abuse his wife?

Does it seem impossible that someone who has shown plenty of obsessive, irrational, and violent tendencies right here would have the same behavior in real life?  Would you want to be married to someone with his behavior?

Shouldn't there be a website out there with a blacklist of dangerous men who by some fluke are not in prison or in the loony bin yet?

There's a section just for you at the Maxi-Max in Danemora.  It's the sex offender unit - serial rapists and killers, the kind of beasts who attack women and children.  You should consider yourself lucky to go there because abusers of women get killed pretty quickly in general population.

... in response to Re: Scaught, please tell your story, posted by Felinessa on Jun 15, 2005

...  Professor Cat Child is a 75-year-old geezer in a special nursing home for the mentally deranged who cross dresses and changes his gender on the internet? That would explain the lies in the profile, the bullshit advice, the mental lapses, degrees with no thesis, the delusions about being the Chancellor of Germany; this pretty much sums up his/her/its existence in a nutshell.

Let's humor her and pretend we don't know... shhhh! If we play along, it might be a quiet nuit pour les autres geezers dan le Maison de les Nuts.

... in response to Has anyone considered that..., posted by Scaught on Jun 15, 2005

Now you're just plain boring us with your incessant ranting and silly personal attacks. Please get some real help.

Ray

... in response to Time to put a cork in it..., posted by Ray on Jun 15, 2005

actually he is not boring me at all.  I want to hear what he has to say even if it is overboard a bit.  From what I have gathered and seen I believe this happens a lot more than I orginally thought.  Judging from the tour I was on most of the guys were clueless and would easily fall pray to any and all scams.  
Keep it coming
Fathertime

... in response to Re: Time to put a cork in it..., posted by fathertime on Jun 16, 2005

Read the post of Scaught’s that I was responding to. Is THIS childish nonsense what you want to hear???

Scaught: “... Professor Cat Child is a 75-year-old geezer in a special nursing home for the mentally deranged who cross dresses and changes his gender on the internet? That would explain the lies in the profile, the bullshit advice, the mental lapses, degrees with no thesis, the delusions about being the Chancellor of Germany; this pretty much sums up his/her/its existence in a nutshell.
Let's humor her and pretend we don't know... shhhh! If we play along, it might be a quiet nuit pour les autres geezers dan le Maison de les Nuts.”

I can’t remember ANYONE objecting to Scaught’s telling his story or warning others of prospective abuse of the system. If he would simply state his point in a rational manner without the stupid attacks on innocent posters, then just MAYBE more people would listen to what he has to say.

IMO, he comes across as a psychotic, boorish woman-hater who is projecting his hatred on any and all Eastern-European women. As I stated before, the guy has every right to tell his story and state his opinions, BUT just because he thinks he has been wronged, that does not give him the right to attack female posters for no reason. Do you disagree???

Ray

... in response to Time to put a cork in it..., posted by Ray on Jun 15, 2005

In a few days I will be in cabin for two months on a lake away from computers and all this rubbish. And none of you will even cross my mind. I will probably lurk in the fall to see who admits to being imprisoned by their hot, desirable FSU darling! But I probably won't want to waste anymore of my time. By then Cat Prof Kid will have racked up 8,402 posts of nothingness which several of you will receive like communion.

... in response to Time to put a cork in it..., posted by Ray on Jun 15, 2005

Something just isn't quite right.  Maybe Scaught has gone overboard a bit, but I'm not convinced that he's completely off target.

... in response to And yet ........, posted by John F on Jun 15, 2005

Who cares about what I, or Travis, or Streewise say? Why would any fool set on a FSU babe want to see their future from Jimi Hendrix and The Voice of Experience?

It's better to speak with an immigration official who will scare you straight! Maybe you guys will believe someone in a uniform!

... in response to Scaught, please tell your story, posted by Hamlet on Jun 14, 2005

Felinessa,

I sincerily hope you continue to post here. I think varied opinions and input are very much a positive. Scaught is angry right now, I don't really think it's personal. I can't say I blame his anger at all. Maybe it's misdirected right now though.

Scaught,

I would be interested to read your story but I understand if now is not the right time for that. I have a gut feeling that it isn't too dissimular to my own but likely a more recent expierience. I've at least had almost two years to calm down. I almost wrote "to get over it" but I'm not sure it's something anyone gets over entirely.

I think the best approach to this forum is a broad spectrum of opinions...the positives from the guys that have successful marriages, the negatives from those that were defrauded and from ladies from that part of the world that have more insight into the mindset of these ladies involved in MOB.

We need to keep in mind that we're all here to help each other.

One more thing. Frank, maybe you should take at least a few months before jumping back in the saddle. You're likely to have some continued resentment and you wouldn't want the next girl you meet having to deal with that. I had to wait some time before I dated again just because I had a lack of trust for women in general. But it isn't women I don't trust, it's my ex...it just took a little time before I really knew that.

... in response to For Felinessa and Scaught...and Frank, posted by Travis on Jun 15, 2005

Thanks for that Travis. But like I said if I run an ad it will take I'd say at LEAST about a month before it runs as Jack is out in St Petersburg I believe he'll be back in a few weeks. Then I have to get my ad & pics THEN they have to run. THEN the responses come in. So we're talking a few weeks or even months already. THEN my trip won't be till at least another 4 months of so. I figure I SHOULD be a lot more emotionally rooted & grounded by then. I guess even though I'm hurting & everything beyond what words can express I can look ahead & KNOW that I WILL Get over this setback as devastating as it might seem AT THIS TIME.
Thanks for the concern though. To me writing also seems to be a release. Some call me a fool & yes I DID play one but honestly I"ve NEVER been one to care what people think. Perhaps that's been one of my flaws.

... in response to Re: For Felinessa and Scaught...and Fran..., posted by Frank O on Jun 15, 2005

Frank: I honestly do not mean any disrespect towards you, but it seems I am wasting my time here.

I seriously fear for what is very likely to happen to you. You seem to be the proverbial moth flying into the flame. One of your wings got already burned off and you are struggling to return to the fire, only to be totally consumed.

Scaught

... in response to Re: For Felinessa and Scaught...and Fran..., posted by Frank O on Jun 15, 2005

Franky O.... Sounds like a good plan, and good motivation as well...

... in response to Re: Re: For Felinessa and Scaught...and ..., posted by Jwood66 on Jun 15, 2005

Well considering my circumstances I"m TRYING to do the right thing. Most of all I"m trying to think beyone what I'm FEELING now to what I'll be DOING 4 months down the road.

... in response to Scaught, please tell your story, posted by Hamlet on Jun 14, 2005

Scaught..........please tell your story.  If I was here when you were first posting, I don't remember.  Tell us what happened to you.

I don't look at things through rose colored glasses, but how they really are.  I don't think the FSU is the be all..
end all, but simply another avenue.  Sometimes it works, sometimes not.  Either way, the way I see it, it's 50/50 at best, and maybe worse.  But don't piss on the messenger, be he/she either male or female.  Personally, I liked hearing from an Eastern European girl having lived in both cultures, and she had good things to add.  You can't pee on everyone just because U'r hosed!  Blame yourself for that one.  Many here are quite happy...KenC comes to mind, and he has probably broken more rules that everyone, and God bless him and her.

Funny, the things SHE said were exactly what were happening to me at the time over some visits with eachother.  "Honey, please buy me these $200 boots, and then...the $400 coat."

I had my "caution flag" up then, but cause I have $, I thought...why not....plus, I felt I was getting my money's worth.  Ok for then, but what about the future, I thought?
First the Benz...then, the Bently?

Everybody here knows my story, and each meeting outside Russia had a trip report.

Sorry your trip ended so badly, but maybe you have only yourself to blame forso many unexplained reasons, as nobody here has ever met you.  

I'll say it once again....look at all the options, don't count anything out...look here, look there, and pick the best for both of you, while being realistic.  At the end of the day, anything can work, and anything is possible, if you go into it thinking with the right head...heart to follow.  

So...do you fel lucky today....punk?  (not you Scaught)

... in response to I Second That................., posted by Globetrotter on Jun 14, 2005

I've been on this site for four years, and it's the same four guys who are still married, despite the hundreds of new marriages over the past four years. Everyone else has been screwed over by the FSU Catalog Queens. This includes the gals from Romania, Baltic Republics-- all the places under the soviet thumb.

It's a waste of time stating the obvious conclusion, whose introduction is looking for a gal who just wants a visa and will lie her ass off to get and keep it.

They'll tell you how they aren't desperate to stay in a western country, how "successful" they are, but when they are faced with deportation back to their soviet shitholes (nothing has really changed over there-- "meet the new boss-- the same as the old boss"), they are capable of ANYTHING-- committing a felony for them is akin to pouring a bowl of cereal.

But 99.99% of you won't believe it until it happens to you. You won't believe the immigration officials, or anyone on this site. You'll just have to find out the hard way. Even then, most of you will go back for more.

... in response to I Second That................., posted by Globetrotter on Jun 14, 2005

Some of you are missing the point. I don't have A story to tell (my story). I have THE story to tell. There is a SCRIPT. If the FSU women don't know it already, they learn it after a little time here from the other FSU women.

1. You get married.
2. You treat her well, but you want a divorce because it isn't working.
3. Her visa status is threatened by divorce. The US Immigration people will let her stay, according to US law, ONLY if she is abused.
4. She plays the abuse card. She packs up and moves out.
5. She moves in immediately to a shelter for abused women to get the judge's sympathy.
6. She slaps a restraining order on you (no proof of anything needed) with the wildest allegations and files for divorce, if you haven't already.
7. There is a trial. If you lose, you may be imprisoned. You also may never work in your profession again (depends on the job).
8. You lose the trial as there is no need for any evidence other than her word to convict you, or you win if you videotaped or audiorecorded your every conversation with her to prove your innocence (so don't expect to prevail!).
9. You are imprisoned because of her perjury, or you are free to pay her thousands of dollars in spousal support.

It's a lose, lose, lose situation. That's the script.

When you think it's a matter of choosing well, you are wrong. I married someone fairly close to my age (the oldest woman I ever dated in my life), same occupation, I visited her in her country four times. All her friends and coworkers vouched for her upstandingness. Met her family.

You just don't know what these FSU women are capable of when the chips are down and they are faced with going back to the US. I'll say it again: You just don't have any clue what monsters these FSU women are capable of when the chips are down and they are faced with going back to the US.

This is NOT my story. It's THE story, confirmed by Travis, others who have posted here and lost interest and left, and also any US immigration official will tell you this is the script they ALL follow when they need to.

... in response to Missing the point -- It's The Script ! !..., posted by Scaught on Jun 15, 2005

Scaught,

Thank you for this valuable posting.  I don't doubt that this happens.  The only remaining piece (or pieces) of information that would put this in context is statistical information and of that it seems none exist.  

Hamlet