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Did anyone catch the HBO documentary Chernobyl Heart on Thurs. night?

It's a report on the work being done by the Chernobyl Children's Project in Belarus, where the deformities and cancer among children is staggering, and will continue for many years.

If you plan to watch it, I recommend doing so alone. It's the most heart-wrenching program I've ever seen. It's only 40 mins. long, but I had to bail after 20 mins. There was a segment on a young girl who had been born with her brain outside her skull... I couldn't watch anymore after that. I'm going to give it another try on Sunday, I don't know if I can articulate my reasons for wanting to finish it... perhaps because it seems cowardly to turn away from such tragedy.

Anyway, if you've felt outrage about the way the Soviets handled Chernobyl and its aftermath, this will amplify your feelings many times over.

... in response to Chernobyl Heart, posted by Mark A on Sep 11, 2004

Hey MarkA, glad that you have a heart for these people. There are many hundreds of International Agencies trying to help these poor souls now. I dont know where it will end, I have always had this *gut feeling* with Class 8 materials and their bi-products ..... I handled them for more than ten years.Not any more.(And all the flak will not change my mind). Help them if you can.

Closer to home, consider the effects of mobile phone use 1 GHz and above. RF is just as accumulative in the body as Cesium. I call it *Phone Dome Syndrome* I wonder what the Telecoms will call it in twenty years from now .... wait till you see images of grey lumps growing on the brain and hanging out of their ears. Nope you wont hear it coming from the Telecoms, I wonder why, Mmmmm .........

Put your mobile phone under the hammer, the SLEDGE HAMMER before its too late.

Im gone, this monitor is burning me eyes ...........

... in response to Re: Chernobyl Heart +, posted by JohnL on Sep 11, 2004

I guess I need some education. Isn't everybody - everywhere - exposed to RF - all the time? If only from the television and radio stations - not to mention all the other radio traffic out there. Are you suggesting it is BOTH accumulative AND damaging?

Looking to be educated . . . .

- Dan

... in response to RF is Accumulative?!?, posted by Dan on Sep 11, 2004

G'Day Dan
Above 1 Gig everyone must take care. Remember the *badges* that they wear in the X-Ray chamber? They are monitoring the *acceptable dose limits*. You see lots of Class 8 materials emit different ~ lengths, all the way from Gamma down. It is all RF to varying degrees, even from some REE's and naturally occuring elements.

Hey Dan, I will leave this for perhaps one of the more knowledgeable engineers of this board to explain, he will do it just fine ! I know he can.

I have to be out of here in a few minutes, gone for a week .... sorry.

Its not a matter of believing me, it the results that are definitive and conclusive, not the arguments for/against. IMHO

Take Care Bro !

... in response to Re: RF is Accumulative?!?, posted by JohnL on Sep 11, 2004

[This message has been edited by LP]


Well, there is no question RF enegry above 1 Gig can be harmful in sufficent power but to say it's "accumulative" is a bit off the mark. Did you mean to say the damage is accumulative? Are you suggesting there is a specific dose? I'm not aware of one if there is. It's my undertsanding the jury about cell phone emissions is still out. My personal belief is that the power levels are too low to worry about.

Cesium is accumulated in the body chemically as the body can't distinguish it from (as I recall) calcium. RF is energy and as such can't be accumulated in the same sense. One can't equate RF energy with ionizing radiation emitted by an absorbed radionuclide, the wavelengths are vastly different. There is none of the particle based energy associated with Alpha and Beta and the wavelength is far to long to produce Gamma.

That's my take on it. I'm not a real wiz on this stuff though, I'm still trying to fathom the duality of light as both particle and wave ;)

As for Chornobyl, all I'll say is the scientific truth is out there and this definately isn't it. I'm sure it makes for good TV though...

... in response to Re: Re: RF is Accumulative?!?, posted by LP on Sep 11, 2004

We really won't know anytime soon about cellphone emissions cause if we did it would shut down that industry in a heartbeat.

Probably the only people who will feel the brunt of this technology are the kiddos who and folks who have those things attached to the side of their heads all the time.