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Hi gang-- it's been a while. It's so boring now on this site, so here you go...

How was the first year or half year for some of you? How many of you would describe it as a living hell? How many of you are ready for a 20/30/40-year old helpless little baby that can't do anything on her own? It IS fun-- for the first few days.

My point: If you have a pretty full life and a few serious hobbies, you might find yourself devoting  every waking moment to her needs, with her wanting more! It's just not worth it IMHO. It shows you the great advantage of having an American woman. I would say the quality of my life has been downgraded many fold due to this woman in my life. This one will very likely get shipped back.

... in response to Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly Suc..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

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...This is so good it has just got to be fattening. It's almost enough to make me come outta retirement and offer a few opinions...but I won't.

All I'll say is that these are obviously not the actions of two people in love, two people who "knew" each other for four years before the marriage took place. People who seemingly based their motivations for marriage on something other than the right stuff. Also, I'm not taking sides but I remind you of one thing: The only consistent feature of all your dissatisfying relationships will be you.

Having said that, it's still good to see you've come to your senses. These women aren't worth it, no woman is. If you think otherwise you have bigger problems than any chick is gonna solve, FSU or not. No question they be lots of fun...from a distance. Close up the risk/reward, the cost/benefit analysis, is more than laughable. Unless of course you're one desperate
hombre...

Scaught Man, I wish you luck. When you pay to learn, you learn. A pity it won't mean a thing to the MOB cultists waiting in line for their Kool-Aid. Time to fill that hole in your soul a smarter and better way, a way that puts your interest's first and not those of an FSU floozie looking for a better life. (That would be 95% of them btw.)

I feel for you but it takes two to tango. Ah well, kinda funny in a way. People will deny it but there is no greater satisfaction than soaring on one's dream...except maybe watching MOB dreamers who have nowhere to land but in the ocean of reality.

Lets hope they're good swimmers.

... in response to Well now...., posted by LP on Apr 19, 2004

I thought that the entertainment would be too much of a draw for you to stay away too long. :)

... in response to Re: Well now...., posted by thesearch on Apr 21, 2004

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Hi Doc. Nah, just stopped by because a little birdie told me about Scaught's tale of woe. Like a woman whose been raped, it took me months to feel clean after getting away from this biz. I'm already getting creeped out again so I won't be back if I can help it.

Glad to see yer doing OK. Believe me, you dodged a bullet by blowing this nonsesne off. Best leave it to losers like MtMav and others who can't see the forest for the trees.

Adios..

... in response to Well now...., posted by LP on Apr 19, 2004

at what the wind blew in ..... "ol' full of himself L.P."
In your last post (and I do remember) you pompously stated: "My work is done here." (I wasn't the only one who noted your typical pomposity). Not exactly a man of your word. Obviously, you can't contain yourself. Is this the sequel?  Will it be followed by "The Passion of the L.P." and ascension into heaven in a biblical 40 days?
  You wrote: "These women aren't worth it, no woman is." Why then would you be taking up with the blond whose picture you briefly posted? A bit hypocritical!(BTW, nice pauch! How long did it take you to "grow" that?) Obviously, unlike your atypical, condenscending post to Scaught, YOU haven't learned. Desperate, Hombre?
  Socrates was right ..... "Character is destiny." Once the blond discovers YOUR true character ..... pompous, arrogant, condenscending, know-it-all, full of yourself etc. ..... she too will leave you like your first wife. Junior, there is still time to change although it is doubtful you will.
  Go away and, more importantly, ...... stay away!

... in response to Well now, look ........, posted by MtMav on Apr 19, 2004

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....I can rile one the Axis of A-holes.

1) The "pauch" is now gone thanks. Comes from sitting in the front of a jetliner counting huge amounts of money. Along with free travel and lots of young women who don't seem to mind it. How you doin? Seems that uniform and crappy GI salary didn't work out as well huh? Or are you too busy these days dreaming of the invasion and occupation of Halley's Comet?

2) First wife didn't leave me, I left her...for another blonde. Long time ago too. It's why I can have this blonde and all the others at the same time. Again old man, how you doing?

3) About the blonde. Whatsamatter? Jealous? Ain't getting the same quality are ya?

4) Nice to see yer still here while life continues to pass you by, I guess there *is* something more satisfying for me to see after all.

5) Guess my work here isn't done. Since you miss me so much I may stick around just to please you with my pomposity. After all, if that's what riles you then that's what I'll use. Lol, when are *you* gonna learn?

Nice talkin at ya, F U very much ;)

... in response to Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly Suc..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

if you do, that it will be easy to send her back? I would like to have to follow up on that one for everyone.

... in response to so, why do you think, posted by thesearch on Apr 14, 2004

I love you all.

... in response to so, why do you think, posted by thesearch on Apr 14, 2004

Sending them back after the divorce isn't exactly a walk in the park even if they REALLY deserve it. I'm getting some expeirience in this endeavor but it takes as much if not more patience than bringing them here and being married. I didn't follow an exactly orthodox method myself but then again, this kind of marriage isn't exactly orthodox :-)

... in response to Sending them back, posted by Travis on Apr 14, 2004

An offer of (1) a free ticket back and financial support for a reasonable period of time OR (2) nothing, should do the trick. If she stays here, I will divorce her right now, and she'll have no legal status in this country and I won't be responsible for her, and I won't care what she does. Now is the two-year waiting period. I was told by BCIS that if we get divorced during this period, she has no legal standing in this country. My wife was present during the same conversation. Back at home, I repeated this to her as justification why she must return home. I told her there is no choice. She doesn't want to live the life of an illegal immigrant; I know that for certain. She is basically a really good person at heart. She just has no business living with a member of the opposite sex.

... in response to Re: Sending them back, posted by Scaught on Apr 15, 2004

I think if you look at the INS web site, under permenent green card application...that you are misunderstanding the situation for your wife.

The only way she can be sent back is if you have not gone through the AOS interview....after she gets her temp. green card it is very easy for her to submit her own papers after a divorce prior to the 2 year anniversary of her interview...this web site does describe that divorce does happen, at no apperant fault of each other and that if she can provide info that she was married and legally lived with you (to prove the marriage was not a sham) then she will get her permanent green card without your blessing.

I am not sure even after divorce if you are off the hook for financial support for the 10 year period, some have said that it will not stand up in court...some have said they have had INS remove the financial support paper...and yet others have said that they have been totally screwed over by this contract and paid out large sums to buy it out.

Buyer beware....

... in response to Re: Re: Sending them back, posted by Apk1 on Apr 17, 2004

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haven't had an aos interview

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Sending them back, posted by Scaught on Apr 18, 2004

haven't had an aos interview

... in response to Re: Sending them back, posted by Scaught on Apr 15, 2004

Your wife has a third alternative and she can find it very simply by looking at the russian women abroad website.....

The law may state that she must go home but the law is not applied in this way.  If she takes legal advice from someone in the Russian community she will be told the truth.  She will be granted a green card following her divorce from you. THIS IS INS POLICY. They will only deport her if she commits a felony. This FACT is not published but is common knowledge in any immigrant community. They will also tell your wife that she can hire a "junkyard dog" divorce attorney who will send his bill you....

Did you sign a prenup??

No Then if your are not living in a community property state she can sue you for half of everything you own.  

Yes.  Well I hope you did it properly.  Your wife should have had a professional russian translation of this document and independent legal advice before she signed it. If you did not do this any competant divorce lawyer can have the prenup set aside....

In reality you have no legal right to send your wife back to Russia on your terms.  She will decide whether she stays or leaves. A judge makes the divorce settlement.

You really have presented yourself on this thread as an arrogant controlling guy.  All your wife would have to convince a judge of this would be to print out your posts here over the last few days.....

Your strategy depends on your wife trusting what you have told her.  You better pray that she continues to believe you and returns to Russia because if she finds out the truth your ass will be toast!

... in response to Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly Suc..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

Sorry to hear of your troubles...tis a rough game.  I don't doubt you as I've met takers over there as well.  My problem wasen't as yours, but a lack of trust.  You just never know how long they can be a good actress, if that's their game, thus a good reason for looking for red flags.

I haven't seen too many "gunning" for you, as the boys did me.  I just pulled the plug before I tied the knot.  You will do well, not too much damage, and now know that girls are the same the world over, and you're smarter than before.

Just thank your lucky stars you didn't play any longer than you did.  

When I went into this, I thought of what I would do if I wasen't "convinced" after 90 days that it would work.  I thought, send her back, and if we feel better about it at a later time, bring her back over.  Hell, the paperwork would have already been done, just have her get another police report and another physical, and resubmit, and wait again.

Anyway, good call, and good luck in the future.

... in response to Re: Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly..., posted by Globetrotter on Apr 14, 2004

I strongly sensed that you did the right thing in your situation. I wish you the very best in everything, my friend!

... in response to Re: Re: Being Married to a FSU Lady Hone..., posted by Scaught on Apr 16, 2004

Scaught, you have done well to identify, and do something about your problem, a taker.  Many can't do this and blame themselves, question themselves, and kick themselves in the ass for not doing "more."  

Now, if someone could only convince our "Romancho" that just maybe he is a boat, and a paycheck, that his squeeze 40 years his junior really doesn't love him for his supple body and his inquisitive mind, and she just might kill him for his social security check.  Well, there, LP would be proud...and it needed to be said.

You have identified the problem, and have done something about it....good for you!!!

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Being Married to a FSU Lady ..., posted by Globetrotter on Apr 16, 2004

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...but your pissin in the wind if you think you'll ever get through to most of these schmucks.

The basis for a life long partnership is *not* based on culture, a sexy accent, youth or physical beauty, miniskirts, on and on. All are transitory in nature. And as far as FSU women being better mothers, ect, well, they ought to ask their mothers. All of these clowns seemed to have turned out alright from childhood before developing head problems from later experiences that drove them into this racket.

Millions upon millions of people the world over know this to be true, they're happily together with their own kind. Amazingly (at least to MOB desperados), it's true of the vast majority of people on Earth including most Russians and Ukrainians. Read that again until it sinks in...

I'm not saying if they want one they shouldn't go for it. The fact is, on a core level, women *are* the same everywhere. I'm saying if you add up the additional risks and problems for what you get it's a gamble only a desperate or brainwashed fool would take. A wise man knows the above mentioned "benefits" of these women are as hollow as the reasons given for seeking them.

In fact it shows how wanting one based on those reasons is self-centered and a poor foundation for any relatioship, let alone marriage. Nor is escaping from a screwed up country on the girl's side. You can spout all the agency hype you want, the simple fact there is no MOB in stable and developed countries puts an end to the argument. Period.

MOB guys make these women out to be a big "secret" the rest of the world is clueless to. Well guess again. That they seek them for the above reasons shows their motivations are mainly driven by insecurity. Lol, like MOB guys are onto something special and the rest of the world is somehow clueless. It puts them in a minority, a group of men less enlightened, not more.

There is no shame in searching for a good mate anywhere as long as it's for the right reasons. I like women too, all women. I may even marry a foreign one someday if I ever find one that beats my local gal, which never happened in the FSU. But if I do you won't see me on a BB spewing sugar and spice. Secure men don't need to show off their mate like a pickup truck and power tools. Nor is their sole motivation in searching abroad to find a Barbie Doll to hang on their arm, men who do either are an abomination to masculinity everywhere.

At best if these marriages work (and I mean for a lifetime, else what's the point), in the big scheme of things, in the final analysis, they'll have wasted lots of time, emotion, and money for something they could have had right in they're own backyard. Or at worse, they get a trouncing that has much less chances of happening with their own kind. I hope Scaught returns when the time comes and tells them how he's just as happy with the local talent as he could have been had he rolled the dice on another FSU girl. And how he wished he'd not wasted time being blinded by the MOB light.

But hey, they won't listen to us. After all, we're miserable. Good jobs, great women, freedom from codependence and fear, good friends, toys many only dream about. You think all that just "happens"? I loved my involvement in the FSU because I always saw it for what it was: Fun. Adventure. A life experience. But a mission? You can't be serious...

In the end 80% of these guys are the lost souls the public perceive them to be and the biggest losers among them actually believe domestic woman are inferior. That seems so only to those seeking a mate based soley on the above mentioned criterion. And to do so from counties in turmoil is about as much proof as any rational person needs that MOB is a crap shoot with motives based on a twisted mentality. The funny part is many of those involved know this, they just won't listen to their gut.

If they want to they could fix their sorry assed lot, beginning now. Or they can (as I see many have) continue to sit around an Internet BB for years and talk crap while potentially good and loving mates pass closeby. If I were them I'd look in the mirror very closely and ask why they allow this to keep happening based on an illusion generated by hype and a few "sucess" stories, often from bigger social misfits than themselves. Who knows, they may find answers to other questions while they're at it.

'Dems the facts Globe. The sooner they admit this to themselves the better off they'll be and the sooner they'll quit wishing upon a distant MOB star. It's up to them, time's awasting.

Adios...

... in response to Re: Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly..., posted by Globetrotter on Apr 14, 2004

Hey Globe,

Just one thing I have to follow up on - I strongly disagree that women are the same all over the world. I think that each nation/cultural organism produces different people with different mentalities, ways, customs, etc. Yes, in the emotional realm most women the world over are the same, but outside that realm they are very different from country to country. FSUW are vastly different than Western women. *Generally* speaking, the Eurasian Russian/Ukrainian women is more self centered, more judgmental, and more temperamental than European and American women. They are more superstitious. They can be much colder, rude and arrogant. They are more gullible and more impressionable. They are much more prone to lie and be deceptive. This is a cultural realtiy of the post Soviet world.

One must bear in mind that the entire global existence of
"scammer women" and the like has to do with Russian/Ukrainian women -and this for a reason.

Yes, there are some real jewels there. But the unfortunate reality is that they are a minority, and IMO a small minority.

My 2 rubles.

WmGO

... in response to Re:  FSU Lady , posted by WmGo on Apr 15, 2004

Hey I agree too.  Environments certainly make people act a little differently, but the core is the same.  Slimmer?  Dunno, as the AW I'm seeing is 5'4" and 112 lbs...model territory, (if 5'4" girls could be) speaks perfect English, is a lawyer, has her own house and money, cute, and a very nice person.  Told her of my FSU adventures and she said some interesting things about it.

Still in all, the FSU is the greatest singles bar in the world, but will cost you $2Gs to walk in the door.  But man,
make sure it's really what you want before commiting for the time and effort it takes just getting her here.  And then the ride really begins!  I could have sworn that my RW squeeze was the real thing, and was very disappointed.  That's OK as I do well here also, and if the current one doesn't work, there are others interested, so I'm OK, but don't count myself out of the MOB scene just yet.

... in response to Re:  FSU Lady , posted by WmGo on Apr 15, 2004

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...as usual. Especially the part about the good ones being in a minority. Worth a hell of a lot more than two rubles.

You're a minority in MOB too my friend, it's a pity the two seem to have problems connecting with each other. Good luck...

... in response to Brilliant....., posted by LP on Apr 19, 2004

thanks LP. Good luck to you also.

One thing I should have added to my above post to make it more balanced are the things that FSUW adventurers know: FSUW are typically more sophisticated, feminine and charming in their conduct, speech, dress and mannerisms than their American counterparts, not to mention slimmer. However, it is the deeper inner things that matter and it is in that realm that most FSUW are lacking. Just like most of the really exceptionally pretty women I have dated here -the inside just doesn't match the outside. The girl I am dating now is a fox - with the mouth of a sailor! Not one to bring home to momma ;)

Have you seen The Passion?

... in response to Re: Connecting....., posted by WmGo on Apr 20, 2004

Hey William, whats going on with this fox bit :-) !!

Remember your being *watched* and I might just dob you in to Momma too.  LOL

If you really want a dose of *sailored mouths* and *female* all in one, come try our RAN *girls*. As Pop once said, dont go near them with anything less than a fourty foot barge pole!!!

Watch out Bro, I wont wish you good luck with the one you presently have *on board* either. :-)

... in response to A Fox! , posted by JohnL on Apr 21, 2004

Hey Bro.John,
Good to hear from ya mate! Yeah, I am giving her language lessons. I like to think there is hope for everyone ;) But I know not to be unequally yoked.
Take care man!
William

... in response to Re: Connecting....., posted by WmGo on Apr 20, 2004


Well, I'll agree on the slimmer and feminine part but not on much else. Must be because them southern bells you got down there can't hold a candle to left coast chicks. ;)

FSU women sure are emotional loose cannons though and that's long turned me off. Good fun to play with as long as they ain't MOB types. I quit dealing with them long ago, too slimey. (note the closeness to the word slimmer) But marry one? I dunno, that's for folks who can't do any better.

The Passion? Funny you should ask, I've had a copy on my PC since a week before it was released. Made it through the first 5 minutes and got bored. Haven't been back since. Guess I oughta watch it and see what all the hoopla is about but I dunno...it's just a movie. It certainly can't be any more smoke and mirrors than the real story is.

I'll keep an open mind though and try to sit through it this weekend when I'm laying over in some dumpy hotel. I hope it's entertaining, as least as much as hanging out at the bar with the groupies.

... in response to Re: Re: Connecting....., posted by LP on Apr 20, 2004

For the most part it is a very accurate presentation of the Gospels, with a little artistic license in a few scenes. Just remember, it is a true story. There is no historian in the world who denys the historical fact of the life, teachings, claims and crucifiction of Jesus. It is only His divinity and resurrection that are contested. History is moving very quickly now. All will be revealed very soon. Just keep yer eye on Jerusalem.

Have you ever heard of Rayford Steele? He is also a pilot.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Connecting....., posted by WmGo on Apr 21, 2004

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Ah well, you can't argue with a drunken man ;)

"For the most part it is a very accurate presentation of the Gospels, with a little artistic license in a few scenes."

Now how would you know that? Were you there?

"There is no historian in the world who denys the historical fact of the life, teachings, claims and crucifiction of Jesus."

Sorry, no sale. As far as I know there is no concrete evidence the guy ever existed.

"It is only His divinity and resurrection that are contested."

For all the misery it's caused in the world that little detail really should've been resolved by now. As I've said before, the world is full of nuts and there is no nut like a relgious nut. They're the Master Race of Nuts. It's the main problem I have with it.

"History is moving very quickly now. All will be revealed very soon. Just keep yer eye on Jerusalem."

Don't get me started. This country wouldn't have half the problems it does today if it weren't for Israel. It's ok for *them* to have WMDs, they'll even jail their own  citizens for 18 years just for mentioning it in public.

Now having said all that I'll admit one thing: If anyone ever does break down my beliefs about all this it'll be a guy like you.

"Have you ever heard of Rayford Steele? He is also a pilot."

There are lots of guys I haven't heard of but the Feds know them all. What is he a pilot of? My sources tell me there is only one guy with that name and the record shows he's not certificated. Ask to see his license. It could be an error but I doubt it. The gummint isn't known for good record keeping but aviation is a different story, especially these days.

... in response to Re: Connecting....., posted by LP on Apr 22, 2004

LP,

I can and have debated many many atheist and agnostic PhDs the last 25 years and can assure you that they always concede the historical reality and fact of Jesus. He is the most historically documented figure in the history of the entire world. To say that say that there is no evidence that He ever existed is the same as saying that there is no evidence that George Washington or Julias Caeser existed. That line of argument simply doesn't hold water. In point of fact, there are no serious and educated (meaning on the subject) detractors of Christ who argue His nonexistence. This should tell you something.

There is a book I want you to read. It is a short version of a larger tome. It is "More than a Carpenter" by Josh McDowell (his tome is "The Evidence Demands a Verdict"). These works, and there are many others that I can refer you to, will answer and address what you *think* are "points" that you are scoring.

Be careful about your comments about Israel. He who blesses Israel will be blessed - and vice versa. The fact that a tiny nation of 10 million people can be considered the cause of all of the problems in the whole world (a Biblical prophecy fulfilled right before our very eyes) should cause you pause and reflection. In fact, it is Satan himself who wants the world to think that way. Whether you choose to believe or not, Satan is just as real as me and you. And he wants another Holocaust. For a reason. You need to learn that reason. Until you do you will never understand History. And you become a tool for God's adversary (which is neither chic, nor cool, nor macho, nor enlightened).

If we were in the same room I could articulate more and better. In a matter of minutes I could show you things in Scripture that would have a profound impact on you. For now, I want you to go read  Genesis 3:14-15,Psalm 22, Isaiah 53, John Chapters 1-3, Romans 1:16, 3:10-28, 5:1,8-12, 6:23,10:9-10, I Corinthians 15:3-4,20-22, I John 1:8. If you don't I am going to have to call you chicken ;0

Oh yeah, you can read about Mr. Steele, a 747-57 pilot, in a book called "Left Behind". He reminds me of you, and I mean that respectfully. The similarities between the two of you are amazing.

LAter Hombre.

... in response to Re:  Israel....., posted by WmGo on Apr 22, 2004

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"The fact that a tiny nation of 10 million people can be considered the cause of all of the problems in the whole world"

I never said they were the cause of all problems, just many of ours. At least concerning how we apply our foregin policy and their insidious and damaging influence on our politics.

Why is it God's "choosen people" are so disliked by almost everyone in the world? And why are the (supposedly) most holiest places on Earth (regardless of the religion) nothing but rocks and sand? We even have a word in our language to describe such places: God Forsaken.

As Sam Kinnison once said (when describing how what he'd tell all the people in the Middle East who've been killing each other for a millenium: "See this? It's sand! You know what it'll be in a thousand years? It's gonna be *#%&ing sand!! And you're telling me these folks are enlightened?

"Whether you choose to believe or not, Satan is just as real as me and you."

Yes he is, and his name is George Bush. Otherwise no, I choose not. Next you'll be trying to convince me Satan's existence is as well documented (supposedly) as JC's.

"He who blesses Israel will be blessed - and vice versa"

For lack of a better work: Poppycock. Are you actually suggesting living in a particular place bestows special privledges? If that's true, you're in a heap of trouble ;) However, if there is a Hell there are a few folks in Israel who certainly belong there.

"You can read about Mr. Steele, a 747-57 pilot, in a book called "Left Behind"."

Left Behind? Ah, *that* Rayford Steele. From the movie of the same name. I hate to break it to you but he's a work of fiction. (You seem to be a big fan of fiction my friend)

"He reminds me of you, and I mean that respectfully. The similarities between the two of you are amazing."

Except my existence is based in reality, that's more than I can say for many religous fanatics. Their insanity was forever proven when the first ones took dietary advice from a talking snake. They have justifications for everything, like how it's ok to drop a big buck from 100 yards while pushing the other nine commandments with a straight face.

Sorry, no sale. We just see things differently, it's the same when it comes to me and people who think "certain" women are better than others. Condisering that, you'd better be careful about that "covet thy neighbor's wife" thing too ;)

See ya...

... in response to Re: Re:  Israel....., posted by LP on Apr 22, 2004

your chicken? ;), or you gonna do some reading instead of squawking like one ? :)-

Time to burn the midnight oil man. You can do it. Just give it a try. You won't regret it.

Good luck!

... in response to So you Admit, posted by WmGo on Apr 23, 2004

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...And even if I did I would deny it if it got around ;)

I'll keep an open mind but for now I leave you with the words of the great Russian philosopher Michael Bakunin, one of the fathers of anarchism: "Religion by it's nature is an impoverishment, enslavement, and annihilation of humanity. It is the weapon of the State and must be smashed before the right of self determination can be possible."

... in response to I admit nothing..., posted by LP on Apr 27, 2004

Ah yes, Bakunin, a major 19th Century radical. He also said "The passion for destruction is also a creative passion." In both declarations quoted he was just speaking for his spiritual father. I wonder where he is now.

 

... in response to Re: Re:  Israel....., posted by LP on Apr 22, 2004

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I didnt think I would see the day LP when you would make such a profound and totally incorrect judgement of a place or situation, or probably more to the point, believe some bit of garbage that someone has cited to you as fact. You created the first paragraph below, and OK quoted strongly for the second.

*******Why is it God's "choosen people" are so disliked by almost everyone in the world? And why are the (supposedly) most holiest places on Earth (regardless of the religion) nothing but rocks and sand? We even have a word in our language to describe such places: God Forsaken.

As Sam Kinnison once said (when describing how what he'd tell all the people in the Middle East who've been killing each other for a millenium: "See this? It's sand! You know what it'll be in a thousand years? It's gonna be *#%&ing sand!! And you're telling me these folks are enlightened?***********

I would have thought that a man of your travels would have been there and seen all for himself. Obviously you have never set foot on the place, and I wont blame you for not wanting to  take the L/seat in getting there.

Yes a couple of thousand years ago it WAS all rocks and sand. Maybe you can be excused for not knowing what is there today. It is NOT all rocks and sand TODAY, totally the opposite! FACT. You see this Sam Kinnison bloke led you right up the garden path. I respectfully ask, how does this Sammy bloke look in the eyes of any logical thinking person today? I am keen to hear.

*This place of sand and rocks* is one of the most developed and productive pieces of real estate on Planet Earth today. I thought you as the womans man would have known where most of Russias cut flowers came from today! Israel. They have even slaughterd most world markets in cut flowers, including the two boxes of flowers we send from Oz each year!  LOL In addition, the biggest revelations in Aquaculture, Horticulture, Agriculture, Viticulture and anything else that has do with water as the pre-requisite, has all happened in Israel in the last 20 to 30 years. Go and have a LOOK LP, staggering! More importantly, why is this so? You need to find out. I trust that you will, it will be worth it.If you choose to find out from the more enlightened book, I think you will find is says something like *A land flowing with milk and honey*. That seems a far cry from *rocks and sand* does it not? Or, is your head buried right in that *sand*? :-)

I wish you were here with me so that we could have a YAK about the above . (Oh, and talking about yaking, the 52 has gone, RIP land, and we now have a nice long four seater, meaning the bloke in front ends up with all the mess down his neck!) I still to this day dont know why the Russians never put little bags in the rear seats! I can only assume that their pilots were on rations or nothing at all.

Oh, I also noted that you twisted and made an attempt of puting words into Williams mouth with your above response; well that is how it appeared on paper, maybe it suited you at the time. In fact it is the worst post I have ever read from you, when compared to the enlightening observations you have reported on people and places worldwide for a long time. I enjoy posts from intelligent people, especially when it is a result of their personal experience, but just sprooking from philosophers and hiding ones head in the sand is about as good as your mate and buddy from Tx !!! Da?

Thumbs up to you LP, keep reading.
JL

... in response to Wrong, wrong and still wrong., posted by JohnL on Apr 23, 2004


...so cometh another drunken man ;)

Easy there Mate. In case you haven't figured it out yet I tend to be a tad sarcastic at times. I take very few things seriously and, inspite of how I come across, that includes myself. William is well aware of the respect I have for him even though we don't see eye to eye on this stuff. I'm sure he's not offended by my gentle poking.

However, I remain firmly convinced of my position: 1) Organized religion is responsible for most of the world's misery and is a great bane on mankind. 2) This is soley because it's believers are immovable and steadfastly resistant to the very likely probability it's all nonsense. As I said, they're the Master Race of Nuts.

It's true I have never been to Israel and I have zero interest in going. (I've got my own crosses to bear.) But I've been just about everywhere else in that part of the world and it *is* sand and rocks. I won't go into Israel any deeper, suffice to say I find them about as hypocritical and dangerous a nation as they come thanks mostly to their unhealthy, shortsighted perspective and how they manipulate my country's foregin policy.

Btw, Sam Kinnison was hardly a philosopher (although I sometimes wonder). It was a joke son, lighten up. I knew I shouldn't have discussed religion or politics, it violates a basic rule of mine: People are screwed up and need to worry about other things. As whacked out as Dubya is I have to give him credit for something he recently said. When asked how he thought history would remember his war, he held out his hands and replied: "Who knows? We'll all be dead."

Lol, an enlightened intellectual if I ever saw one. Another believer too, and the most powerful man in the world. Be afraid, be very afraid.

... in response to Re:  FSU Lady , posted by WmGo on Apr 15, 2004

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(I had to delete the expressions that told Lezbo whut I rally thunked abowt her.)

Leaving this board, I will tell you I am going to miss you. We go way back a few years on this site. I have probably read all of the billions of posts you have made (not as many now as before). You have a unique and valuable perspective and it's great that you have been here so long to share it with people.

I can say the same for soooo many of you. And I thank you all. There can't be a better resource for guys who dare to set foot into these difficult but potentially rewarding waters. I learned a lot and I hope I added something to help someone out once or twice.

I am giving up on FSU women-- not because there aren't some great ones over there (including some that some of you have brought back), but I have moved since I started and there are a lot of nice ladies right here that I will date when this is all over-- the danger of my breeding unwittingly with a close cousin has passed: ) Now it seems like such a hassle to go through all the traveling and paperwork for a relationship. It just doesn't seem very natural and organic to me.

... in response to Re: Goodbye Bill and Gang !*!*!*!*!*!*!*..., posted by Scaught on Apr 16, 2004

n/t

... in response to Re: Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly..., posted by Globetrotter on Apr 14, 2004

If there is doubt early in the 90 days, she can go home, both of you can think about it. And anytime before the original 90 days are up, she can go back to the embassy and get another visa, thereby, getting closer to 5 or 6 months, to make the decision that will change both of your lives, hopefully for the better!

... in response to Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly Suc..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

Probably better to say being married to "YOUR FSU lady sucks" as opposed to "a FSU lady sucks" as the original statement sub consciously makes one ask the question, what is wrong with scaught? Is he not patient etc. After reading a few comments by you one wonders what may be wrong with her. If she was a complainer from day one, then that may just be her nature and after a while that gets old and destructive - and who wants to live their life this way - as opposed to you being just not patient.

... in response to Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly Suc..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

Scaught, Scaught, Scaught,

First of all, I gotta say the I've never seen anyone throw out a simple attitude/statement who fired up the old crowd to this degree and this fast.  Your brief statements almost instantly brought out both the old farts & the newbies just about instantly.  That was a flash, man!

I outright admire your verbal hatred and negative enthusiasm of this woman cuz I have a guy's rights general attitude about the whole dating man/women thing... Without taking a side, I very was surprised that people didn't come out of the woodwork slamming on you. Maybe this board has mellowed...

Would you let me play the devil's advocate here?  You may have a completely valid attitude and then again, you may not.  So, without any ill feeling I'll throw some comment back to you... OK?  

There's no use for me to go on if this is not an agreeable thing....

Bob

... in response to Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly Suc..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

Less of a blanket statement..could we say?
It would suck for me if my wife went back.
I would survive I suppose, but it would suck.

Karl

... in response to Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly Suc..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

If you were dropped in Russia, you would likely need some help too, Scaught.  The issue is not only how willing they are to adapt, but also how much you help them to adapt.  If you don't help them to help themselves, you share as much of the blame.

If she's stuck at home all day, going stir crazy, then you are going to have to expect a heavy investment of your time and resources to keep her happy.  If you get her out and doing stuff on her own, your time and resource commitment will decrease.  Try enrolling her in an ESL course.  Teach her to use the municiple bus system.  Help her find a job.  Teach her to drive, if you have the patience for it.  All of these help her break her stranglehold on you, as she reaches out to some independence on her own.

Best of luck.  I hope it works out for you.

... in response to It is a heavy commitment to take on, posted by John K on Apr 13, 2004

Don't know why you thought she's cooped up. She has been attending ESL classes several hours weekdays, cool shops and supermarkets all within minutes of walking. Got her membership in a gym a 30 sec walk from here. Failed her driving test. She doesn't appreciate anything and complains about everything. I see no difference regarding complaints I've commonly read here about American women. We just aren't compatible living together in this country. Nothing can help. This relationship and she are a complete drain and HUGE waste of my time.

... in response to Re: It is too ridiculously heavy a commi..., posted by Scaught on Apr 13, 2004

That is one of the big draw backs with this whole MOB scene.

You really do not know what you are getting until she gets here and you start living together in most cases - same for the lady. Even taking your time with several trips does not necessarily eliminate situations like yours being the result.

And, the MOB government program is not set up for men to seek women for potential marriage. It is set up for American men/women to have a way to bring a lady/man into the system that they have met, fell in love and got married or want to get married.

I suspect that it was orginally intended for US citizens who were in other countries for employment or education that met and fell in love with some non US individualone while out of the country.

... in response to Re: Re: It is too ridiculously heavy a c..., posted by thesearch on Apr 15, 2004

I love you

... in response to Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly Suc..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

Hi Scaught,

Sorry things didn't work out for you. I would describe my first two months as a living hell and the year that followed the seperation but for different reasons than yours. Consider yourself lucky in that at least you didn't have to deal with a false DV charge...at least not yet. I hope that doesn't occur. Take care.

... in response to Re: Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly..., posted by Travis on Apr 13, 2004

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Believe me, I am getting her out of here before something strange happens.

... in response to Re: Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly..., posted by Travis on Apr 13, 2004

I brought a "beautiful" blonde here, made me miserable, so she went back! Better to be alone than, married to the wrong person.
She never walked past a mirror without admiring herself, I thought about putting a mirror in the bottom of the pool to "get rid of her"! ;-)

... in response to Re: Re: Being Married to a FSU Lady Hone..., posted by jrm on Apr 13, 2004

Hey JRM:

This one must be her twin sister. She makes me late with her hour-long mirror checking every morning. I don't have a pool, but I could try a full sink: )

Mega Dittos with everything you said. You been there, man... life's too short for this crap.

... in response to Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly Suc..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

Marrying outside of your culture is a challenge, no doubt - but there are rewards as well.

How many times in your life will you ever get the chance to watch someone become a cosmopolitan, educated, world-traveller? When will you ever be welcomed into a new (and I mean FOREIGN) family and way of life? When will you ever get to observe the processes of forming new opinions from a completely blank slate? Isn't it nice to occationally get a point of view that is not somthing parroted off of the evening news? The most rewarding thing about going beyond your own borders is the discovery and growth that comes with it - I tell ya, I wouldn't trade it for anything. The other side of the town where I live is utterly blase compared to the experiences that I have had as a direct consequence of my marriage.

I had loads of fun introducing Lena to what I thought were the greatest things about my country, while pointing out it's shortcomings and not sugar-coating it. For that first year, we went everywhere together, saw some cool sights, did things that seemed commonplace to me but utterly fascinated her. ("Mexican food? Whats that?") I grew up on the beach, but Lena had never seen the ocean before I took her there - seeing that expression of profound gobsmack on her face is something I will never forget! Likewise, I was impressed when 30 people from her hometown turned out for a shashlik party in my honor. "Southern hospitality" has nothing on the way Russians treat their guests - and they know how to party, yes indeed :)

I also had the pleasure of teaching a willing and motivated student. I taught Lena how to drive a car and change a flat, use chopsticks, write a check, make a collect call, convert F to C, and a hundred other things. I enjoyed it - not sure why, perhaps just because I got to show someone the RIGHT way to do things for a change.

Of course, YMMV according to innumerable factors. I got lucky, she got lucky, lucky breaks on meeting the right people in town, and lots of hard mofo'in work. Nothing is easy, but I don't see how it would be any easier with an American chick either. You just trade up to a different (not harder) set of problems going global.

Sorry things didn't work out for ya, but don't fall into the trap of blaming it all on FSU, women in general, or any other thing - it just didn't work out. I found a keeper, and a lot of other men have too, so it ain't all about the FSU. I don't mean to cast aspersions or anything, but it seems like every divorced guy I've ever met sings the same song.

Just remember, borders are for chumps. Good luck man.

... in response to The upside, posted by Ken W on Apr 13, 2004

Hi Ken:

I am truly happy that you have found happiness. My intention is not to point out that some of these marriages won't succeed.

If I were plopped down in the middle of Russia tomorrow (remember, she's had years to prepare for this, with extensive hand holding once here) with NO prep, I would take care of myself. I have plenty of experience in foreign countries.

This childlike dependency really turns me off. I want a relationship with an equal, not a baby to toilet train.

I want to be a husband, not Big Daddy.

On the side about experiencing other cultures, I personally found most of her folk wisdom to be BS. I have heard the most illogical crap spout from her gums. Most people over there are very ill informed. If my kids ever repeatedly any of that crap, I'd go for sole custody. Thankfully, we have no children.

... in response to Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly Suc..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

Scaught,
Sorry to hear of your misfortune.  Marrying a foreign woman certainly has some burdens that cannot be seen beforehand, but I have a question for you: Using your 20/20 hindsite, was there any indication, before you brought her here,  that she would behave this way?

I for one, appreciate your post here because it will help others understand that this quest to find a foreign bride is not all peaches an cream.
KenC

... in response to Re: Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly..., posted by KenC on Apr 13, 2004

Hello Ken:

There were signs before she came that our relationship would fail, and also signs it would succeed. I took a lot of time with her, but you don't know until she comes here and face the nitty gritty. Until then, it's all signs: positive and negative. So we had our trial marriage to see what would really be, and it's clear that it just can't work out. I honestly can't imagine anyone staying with this woman. That's why I can't be jealous. Anyone hooking up with this harpie is going to hades in a handbasket.

... in response to Re: Re: Being Married to this particular..., posted by Scaught on Apr 13, 2004

This is a real risky business for both parties, and both parties should be aware of the "dangers".
It is easy to get suckered, but not so easy to get "unsuckered". Don't let the little head tell your big head what to do. And proceed with caution.
I am going back next month for my most extended stay, to see a woman I met 18 months ago casually (not online, agency,etc.) She was married when we met. She got divorced in January. She is not the most beautiful, but is a hell of a lot more fun to be with.

... in response to Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly Suc..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

Sorry to read your story Scaught.  She is so Americanized.  Completely self-centered,  very very AW thing,  she learned well and quickly.  I understand your trauma as I have known a few AW's that sound just like your FSU wife.

The best thing about them...is when they are gone.  Peace.

... in response to Sounds Like She's Americanized!, posted by tim360z on Apr 13, 2004

Right, there is no future with such a self-centered beast. When I wasn't feeling well, she was angered that I couldn't take her places. There was no concern about my well being, at all. This disappointment she expressed was completely open! At least she doesn't try to hide how disgusting she is.

Yes, when she is gone, there will be PEACE, at last... but the party's gonna be first!!!

... in response to Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly Suc..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

how do you expect someone to comment on a short letter with not much info. FWIW did you think it was going to be easy, and she would adjust in a month or so?

... in response to Re: Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly..., posted by mudd on Apr 12, 2004

Why do so many think that if you don't want to go on forever with one of these FSU loser beetches that you must be stupid???

Look for some good details under Detective Jack's post. He got it all out of me with his halogen flashlight in my eyes.

... in response to Re: Re: Being Married to a FSU Lady Suck..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

How could someting go so wrong is such a short amount of time???? sounds like my Ex

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Being Married to a FSU Lady ..., posted by mudd on Apr 12, 2004

Good question:

I think this FSU species is very high strung by nature. Also, some of them have heard bad stories and are poised to jump on the guy at the first sign of discomfort.

I am not going to play this sick game. It's just not healthy and life's too short to put up with women like this.

... in response to Your Good Question: Answered?, posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

Is her name Larisa? In the dictionary, if you look up "high maintenance", you will see her photo!!

... in response to Re: Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly..., posted by mudd on Apr 12, 2004

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n/t

... in response to Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly Suc..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

Scaught,
Sorry to hear about your difficulties, however, I can relate somewhat.  Even in most AM/AW marriages, the first 1 or 2 yrs can be difficult.  Add issues like homesickness, missing family and friends, lauguage & communication problems, cultural differences to the adjustments of two people from different cultural backgrounds getting to know each other as husband and wife, I'd say that the odds are fairly long.  The positive experiences of many posters on this board suggest that there are lots of success stories out there, but unfortunately I haven't known of very many successful AM/FSUW marriages amongst my wife's friends during our 5 year marriage (maybe 3 out of 15 may stick, with several of her friends married multiple times since living in the US already).

In my own failed marriage, a lot of irreparable damage took place during those first two years.  Today, we actually get along much better and are pretty friendly now, but the trust and magic has been lost forever.  She is probably more appreciative about all the little things that I took care of for her while we were together, things that her new boyfriends can't or won't do for her.

I know that my ex was a quality person in her homeland, but she has americanized very negatively since living in the USA.  She gets A LOT of attention from men here in the USA that she never got in her homeland, and she is pretty full of herself now and is definately high maintenance, but she wasn't when I met her.  My ex was living briefly in the USA when I met her, and I lived with her for 6 months before we married, so I spent more time with her than most guys get to spend with their fiances.  But I cannot say that I really knew her or what she would become.

Do not take my post as a slam on FSU women.  I know that individual differences matter much more than cultural stereotypes, so there are no doubt many excellent women out there.  But at the end of the day, even where no red flags exist, there is an element of high risk that cannot be removed from the equation, no matter how well you think you know her.

Best of luck to you.

... in response to Re: First 1-2 years, posted by Jersey Mike on Apr 12, 2004

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Man, do I hear yah!

"Irreparable damage"!!!  "Magic has been lost forever"!!! You summed it up very nicely. The crap accusations and nasty words are sending her home for good!!!

I sense she and I are at a point where we could start again, but I can't forgive the words that have sprung from that beetching pie hole of hers.

This woman was also very different in her home country. I don't recognize this woman I have known for about four years now.

The humane thing is to send her back where she belongs.

I was told by BCIS that if we are divorced within two years, SHE GOES BACK. I am sending her back first just to make certain she goes back. Ma momma didn't birth no id-ji-it.

I will help her get resettled. She'll probably have reverse culture shock for several months and people will look down on her as my reject. I don't want to sound heartless, but her new status was won fair and square.

... in response to Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly Suc..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

Maybe you're trying to liven things up on this Board; I agree it that the Board is not as much fun as it once was.  I can emphathize with your situation; there are times that I feel like I do too much handholding but, on balance, as all of the other responses to your post reflect, the gains far outweigh the inconveniences.   I agree with Jack and the others who question why this issue was not raised earlier in the relationship.  I think at this point to "ship her back" would be cruel and unfair.  I am sure she wants to be more independent.  I would suggest giving her the time and ability to do that.

... in response to Re: Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly..., posted by Charles on Apr 12, 2004

;isfuher9p'

... in response to Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly Suc..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

I would say that by your comments you went into this relationship with your eyes closed and your head in a place where the sun don't shine.  What were you thinking when you brought her here?  Of course bringing someone from a third world economy is going to need your help to adjust.  She has no family or friends here and she's totally dependent on you.  Did you think she was a toy you were going to play with and then put up on a shelve when you got tired.  My wife is totally dependent on me.  That's what any body with half a brain is going to understand when they bring someone here from the FSU. This is not a girl from Western Europe where they live paralle to us.  They don't drive so you have to drive them everywhere. Most of them don't know how to use simple tools that we use such as a micro wave oven. They have to be taught everything.  They certianly don't arrive here with a command of the English language they need to go to ESL classes to learn and more than likly you'll have to drive them there. The list goes on and on and if they come with a child then the needs are compounded. But it does get better with time.  

I have said this before on this site.  This is not an undertaking for the weak of heart or for those who struggle fiancially just taking care of themselves.  This is a time consuming and very expensive undertaking.  You're also involving another persons life into this mix and this should only been done with someone who has their eyes wide open.  

Mark

... in response to Re: Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly..., posted by tbirdjoy on Apr 12, 2004

I would say that by your comments your worthless, meaningless, empty sad existence is now filled with true love, hope and significance. Good for you both!

We clearly are two different people. I have spent enough years with this woman to know she's just going to drag me down more and more. Lucky for you your experience is totally different. Guys-- look at TBirdJoy--You, too, can succeed!!!

As for me, I lived in other nations for several years and never was so hopelessly dependent on others as this creature is totally on me.

It is obvious that she'd need some help, but I am too old (I am more than five years   y o u n g e r  than you)  to raise a baby. Now if I quit my job and my hobbies-- in other words devoted my entire existence to her, we'd have a winning formula. She could be the parasite and me the host.

Maybe this deal IS better for the elderly. Retired men have the time to devote to adoring their FSU babes, carting her prized butt all over god's creation.

I did learn a lesson: If it ain't broke, don't go fixin' it. I realize now how truly happy I was before I ever stepped foot in the FSU.

I really wish everyone the best. If you are already married, I hope it is forever plus a day.

... in response to Re: Re: Being Married to a FSU Lady Trul..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

Since you don't know me nor do you know about my life I can tell by your sacastic wit that you are probably no joy yourself to live with. It takes two to tango and I can't imagine that you are the poor hapless victim in all of this.  Be a man...admit that you are part to blame and stop airing your dirty laundry in public.  Just rectify the problem and get on with your life.

Mark

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Being Married to a FSU Lady ..., posted by tbirdjoy on Apr 13, 2004

Will do. This thread is almost spent, then it will be forever forgotten. And there is no lesson to be learnt.

You gotta admit, it was apoplectically boring here.

Men: write 'em, visit 'em, date 'em, wine 'em, dine 'em, make 'em smile, and love 'em if they deserve it, but don't hesitate to dump 'em if they are all about themselves. Never put up with their CRAP!

Here lies:     S   C   A   U   G   H   T    (200 posts)--

His motto: Goodbye FSU gal, Hello peace, tranquility and happiness .   .   .

... in response to Do: Re: Mi: So: Fa: La: Ti: Do: Being Ma..., posted by Scaught on Apr 13, 2004

I do want to thank you for livining up the Board.  I spend a lot of time reading and commenting on the Latin side just becasue it hops more.  I had fun! Take care of yourself and maybe take a vacation in Columbia.  A lot of guys swear by it.

Mark

... in response to Re: Re: Being Married to a FSU Lady Trul..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

Give her money to adjust to life there again, and ship her back, tomorrow! Life is too short to be so miserable.

... in response to Cut your losses! , posted by jrm on Apr 12, 2004

I am following your golden words of advice to the letter, believe me!

... in response to Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly Suc..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

There were plenty of times when I wanted to ship her back during the 1st 2 years...much less so since then, but SOMETIMES!

AW are a lot easier to deal with since you don't have to hold their hands every minute of the day for the simple, basic stuff. But EVENTUALLY that will diminish, but it takes a LONG time...maybe too long for your level of patience and endurance.

Good luck, I feel for ya!

Stevo

... in response to Understand where you're coing from..., posted by Stevo on Apr 12, 2004

I am just going to date a bunch of people. I got this marriage thing out of my system for quite a while, I think.

I really have nothing against all FSU women. In my experience they can be fun, but the one I chose for marriage became pathologically dependent on me, not to mention her beetching pie hole. Where are the websites extolling these more down to earth qualities of this edgy breed? They don't exist because they don't generate revenue.

... in response to Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly Suc..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

Well Scaught, it has been some time since we heard from you.

Sorry your having a bummer of a relationship, it does happen.

So Scaught, you did not see these problems in the first 90 days?  You mean she was different in the first 90 days and after 90 days she turned into this helpless baby?

I don't know what your answer will be with regards to how she acted during the first 90 days but if there were any problems or things you did not like, then WHY did you marry her?

Now in an attempt to help other guys not make the same mistake as you did, please explain how you went about your search.  Did you meet many ladies, a few ladies, or just your bride?  How many years age difference between the two of you?   How much time did you spend with your bride before you proposed the K-1 to her?   When she arrived into America how long did you wait before you got married?

... in response to Well Scaught, posted by Jack on Apr 12, 2004

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Yes, Jack-- it has been a while. I have suffered... suffered... suffered greatly during this absence.

She was a beet-ching, whining, helpless freak since she the day she got here. I saw she had culture shock, and gave her time, being the patient, understand gem of a guy that I truly am. She insisted that I buy her tickets home before the 90 days was up. I did it--- twice! Weird things happened which never happened before regarding the tickets (they were freak acts of nature reported in newspaper headlines). She simply COULD NOT leave. The 90-day period was gone. It seemed god did not want this woman to leave until I had learned my lesson completely-- since 90 days was not enough, we got married to see how things would develop. (This was just a few months ago.) Now I can see life with her is always going to suck. Now I bet the plane tickets will come through!

This will absolutely not help anyone find a good woman in the FSU, but I will play along: I dated a Ukrainian girl in the US, I dated another FSU gal who was in the US from a different FSU country, I later wrote to many when looking for a wife and then chose this one who seemingly had her act together, spent three years visiting her, traveling, met the family, etc. We have ten years age difference, which makes her the oldest woman I have ever dated in my life. We waited 90 days to get married-- we maxed that visa sucker out.

Everywhere we go, guys notice how gorgeous she is. It never ends-- but that's the fun part. I don't have a jealous bone in my entire body, not even in my head. That's not the point. The point is her beauty makes this suffering hardly worth it. I don't care what she looks like. I just want her outta here, like a Ken Griffey Jr. homerun.

I will be so happily thrilled when she's gone! Jack, I'd like to invite you to the party I'm gonna throw!

Jack, I know you are happily married. I am really happy that things are working out so well for you, Tbird and the handful of other guys that post here. The Magnificent Seven show others that it can be done, although this experience, I believe, is not at all representative of what most will encounter.

... in response to Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly Suc..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

Sorry things are not going well for you.  Could you remind us on where she is from, how long she has been here, what your age differences are, if you are from a city or country spot here in the US?

... in response to Re: Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly..., posted by Bobby Orr on Apr 12, 2004

See my reply to Jack: He got it all out of me with splints under the nails-- a picnic compared to the hell of being hitched with this FSU witch. I gladly spilled it all.

About the country or city: she has been out of the house several hours a day and on vacations out of state. That girl gets around!!! There are dozens of nice stores within walking distance. We have a very comfortable home.

... in response to Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly Suc..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

Well my wife is not here yet so I'll see. HOwever she IS fluent in English & already has work lined up (grooming dogs which is her love). Sorry to hear you feel that way but like other's have mentioned she DID ditch her whole life to come here with you. I know if I MYSELF were to move to Ukraine to be with Diana I would probably be so incompetent & dependent on her it would NOT EVEN be funny. The other thing is like the Bible says you should have "count your cost" before you started this endeavor.

... in response to Re: Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly..., posted by Frank O on Apr 12, 2004

Hey Frankie Baby:

I have a good feeling about you. Getting the dog grooming gig is seriously gonna be your buffer zone and help her adjust. This girl here has no life of her own. No hobbies. Oh, sorry... torturing me is her hobby. She is the most boring soul on earth to be tethered to.

If she ever makes you crazy, don't even think about swinging that BC Rich Mockingbird, or whatever vintage model it is.

Music will keep you young!

I have counted my cost, and am selling before I am completely drained by this FSU virus.

... in response to Re: Re: Being Married to This FSU Lady H..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

VERY beautful. I might dare even say THE MOST beautiful women I ever saw IN PERSON & definately the most beautiful I ever dated. But dang she was BORING!!!! It was all about her. Looking back in hindsight I'm glad she ditched me before I ran out on her. By the way my axe is a BC Rich Gunslinger. My wife likes to sing so we get along great. Still not sure how she'll handle the Texas heat though...

... in response to She sounds like the Marina I dated...., posted by Frank O on Apr 13, 2004

You guys are going to have a lot of fun together.

The Gunslinger covers a lot of sonic ground, but I'm sure you want to Rock Out on it.

Maybe you'll have her come either before the real heat, or when it is subsiding. But with the dog grooming, the music connection you two have, and no doubt other things, the weather probably won't really matter much.

That Marina and this one here don't fit the popular description. It's great that she ain't in your life. You have nothing but good things to look forward to.

Take care-- Scaught

... in response to Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly Suc..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

We been married almost 3 years now,,,,,, and while I understand what you mean, I just don't agree with you. At moments, yes it's been trying to say the least. The few "downsides" have been almost exactly what I expected, but the "upsides" have far exceeded anything I have dreamed of. I personaly would never marry an AW again, but, in the same breath, I would'nt recomend marrying a RW to anyone either,,,, It's not for everyone!
My 2 cents

... in response to Re: Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly..., posted by Stan on Apr 12, 2004

Hey There in Paradisio:

I am glad, believe me, that your experience with your woman is different. I wish this woman here only on Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein. She has to go back before there are more American victims.

I was weakened by this parasite and couldn't write for a while. Now I am gaining strength.

Boy, do I count my lucky stars! Remember those guys that were accused of stuff by their FSU babes and had restraining orders or whatever? Knock on wood, this parasite hasn't come up with that one yet!

... in response to Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly Suc..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

Well, I don't know...

I would say that you DO need to modify your life. You are right, it takes more time to be married to someone coming over here, who barely speaks the language, and doesn't know the customs, and (probably) doesn't drive.

But, then again, she DID leave her family and every thing she knew to be with you. Her life kind of got upset to... doncha think?

I agree that this is definitely not for the self-centered, who wants their life to stay the same...

On balance, though, (since you asked) it's approaching 1 1/2 years for us, and my life has definitley been upgraded.

I'd do it again in a heart-beat.

YMMV (and apparently, does...)

... in response to Re: Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly..., posted by MarkInTx on Apr 12, 2004

[This message has been edited by Scaught]

Maybe we are both self-centered. She definitely is all for herself. I was very willing to help her a lot-- at first. No more. In any case, it's not working and it never will, nor should it. I didn't want my life to stay the same. I wanted it to be better. However, she has caused singlehandedly a tremendous negative sloping downgrade in the quality of my existence on this planet--- Would anyone like to refute this factoid? I would never refute the fact that your life has certainly improved.

I am really glad that your relationship is going great. You are doing everything right. You show it can be done.

... in response to Re: Re: Being Married to a FSU Makes Me ..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

Of course it CAN be done...

It can be done with AM/AW, RM/AW, AM/RW

Let's face it... it CAN be done...

As for your quality of life going downhill... how could I refute that? I only know what you tell me... You may be 100% correct.

All I am saying is that each man and each woman is unique.

There is no such thing as a Russian Woman Species...

If you say you married a woman who made your life miserable, I'll believe you.

But -- believe me -- it's not because she is Russian.

The guys who go over the first time, and who think that ANY Russian Woman will make them happy just because she is Russian are sure to be disappointed.

But, likewise, guys who come on here and who say that all Russian Woman are b*tches, and will make your life a living hell if you marry them are likewise myopic.

Sorry it didn't work out for you Scaught... I feel badly for both of you...

... in response to Maybe... and maybe its just being marrie..., posted by MarkInTx on Apr 13, 2004

In several months I will be going on three years with my Olga, and every day is like the first month.  If you choose to experience these daily tribulations as an adventure and make the decision to go the long haul and ride it out, you may end up with a fun life.  
They like to run the house and that is the way they are.  If you accept this, you will probably survive better.  Their bedroom is their private domain and castle, and you are their guest.  You MUST accept certain changes.
Every day can be an adventure.  We just got back from a month in Paris last week, and they can squeeze a dollar 'till Washington screams (or whomever is on the Euro coin).  You must learn what is important to them, and make your decision to marry be determined by what changes you will accomodate.
They bring their experinces with them (as you do, as we and every woman does).  The first thing you MUST tell them is do NOT NOT NOT put the bacon grease in the garbage disposal drain!!  Mine has a short fuse, but all is forgotten by the next morning.  Treat them well, and they will often reply ten times better.  Understanding relationships helps very much.
Don't forget that they are adjusting to you more than you are adjusting to them.  Very often, if you give them 110%, you may receive 400%.  Very often, a problem can be caused by a misunderstanding, and sleeping over the problem can help.

... in response to Re: Maybe... and maybe its just being ma..., posted by slimjimco on Apr 13, 2004

It's clear you've never run into this gal: You give 100 percent, she wants 9 trillion percent and offers nothing in return.

I am glad you found the right woman for you.

... in response to Being Married to a FSU Lady Honestly Suc..., posted by Scaught on Apr 12, 2004

[This message has been edited by Rags]

I'm sorry that you feel this way dude but try looking at it from a different perspective. How much help would you need if you were suddenly uprooted and placed in a very strange and foreign enviroment? You would need a little help too. Also consider that she IS a woman (and all the implications that go along with that).

I, for one, would not trade my first two and a half years of this marriage for all the AW in the world. Yes, there have been a few rough spots to get through but nothing compared to my first two marriages or any of my LTRs with AW. Perhaps you were just not prepared to give up the time that is required for your FSU bride to assimilate into our very strange society with all its new and different rules and regulations.

I wish you the best in your search for happiness. Yes, this approach is not for everyone and I can see myself as unhappy as you appear to be if I had chosen one of the other ladies that I was involved with over there. I can only say that I am one lucky dude and that I found my true love (or she found me) by fate and perseverence.

P.S. What ARE the advantages to having an AW as a wife aside from that fact that they know how to work the system and totally screw you in the end (not to mention gaining 30-40 lbs and disregarding their appearance as soon as they "catch" you)?

... in response to Re: Being Married to a FSU Lady , posted by Rags on Apr 12, 2004

Hey Rags!!!  Remember me??  email me sometime---we are going back soon...

Keith

... in response to Re: Being Married to a FSU Lady , posted by Rags on Apr 12, 2004

Hey Rag Man:

I'm glad things are going great for you!

Of course I knew I'd have to hold her hand-- I lived several years myself in other countries with very minimal support, but I was never this hopelessly dependent on someone.

Having her so dependent on me I have found to be extremely draining emotionally. I have decided that I'm not Mother Teresa nor a host for a parasite, and can't live just for her, as she also lives for herself. My life before was great compared to this. I can't continue like this.

When she is gone, hopefully in a few weeks, I will start dating. I really don't care where the women are from as long as they aren't dependent babies who need to be driven to every hole on earth, and require that every detail of everything be explained to them five or six times.

... in response to Re: Being Married to a FSU Lady , posted by Rags on Apr 12, 2004

Well, apparently, the other advantage is that they don't want to spend time with you, and want to be left alone...

To each his own, I guess...