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I'm lookin for somebody to take some pictures, can't afford to go this year....wish I was going on the FirstDream Spring trip!  These guys are going to to Kharkov, then Lugansk,  Dnepropetrovsk,  Krivoy Rog,  Kherson and finish the trip in Kiev.  6 cities, 8 parties!  

I remember going on the one 2001 in Kiev, saw the photos of the ones last year on the river cruise...those smaller city girls off the beaten path are where your going to find a wife, no he-hawing about it.

... in response to Who's going to Ukraine this Spring ?, posted by wsbill on Mar 25, 2004

Will be in Sevastopol probably, barring unforseen circumstances...

... in response to Who's going to Ukraine this Spring ?, posted by wsbill on Mar 25, 2004

I will be in Ukriane May 12-27
anyone wishing to meet for a beer let me know
pwmcon2@nospam.com

... in response to Who's going to Ukraine this Spring ?, posted by wsbill on Mar 25, 2004

I am going in two weeks

... in response to Who's going to Ukraine this Spring ?, posted by wsbill on Mar 25, 2004

WildBill, this trip, for you, I am going to bring my video camera. Will send you video so you don't forget what Russian women look like.

With each group tour we are trying to concentrate on cities more off the beaten path. On our fall trip think we will go to Vinnitsa and Chernvisti. If Krivoy Rog and Lugansk turn out as I expect, maybe we'll go back to those two cities as well. As most of us arrive into and depart from Kiev, only makes sense to have something there. This spring we are renting a large party boat in Kiev and will be having quite a party going down the Dnipper river.
This will be the first ever group of men to Krivoy Rog and Lugansk and we have a LOT of beautiful ladies applying, hoping to be invited to our parties.

Any guys who are going to be in Ukraine from May 6th thru May 23rd who might need a back-up plan or want to meet some fine, beautiful ladies, feel free to holler at me.

... in response to bringing video camera, posted by Jack on Mar 25, 2004

all your socials destination and preview some of the women that came.  Heck, I'll bet you could sell that video for $20 bucks and you'd sell the heck out of them.

... in response to Re: Why don't you make a hour long video..., posted by wsbill on Mar 26, 2004

no one would even know....

... in response to Who's going to Ukraine this Spring ?, posted by wsbill on Mar 25, 2004

Kiev (pop. 2,620,000) is the capital of UKRAINE.  It is Ukraine's largest city and a major port.  How/Why do you consider it a smaller city off the beaten path?

... in response to Re: Who's going to Ukraine this Spring ?, posted by robobond on Mar 25, 2004

Has been there...but in those far off and remote places, where for one it's much cheaper to live.  Kiev is the capital and with it comes the international community, folks from all over the globe seem to have a embassy there.

Do you want a girl who's been exposed to wealthy foreign men from all over.  I don't.  They less they see of wealth the better...

The more you show off with your wealth, the more a girl is going to think.  Why should I date this guy, when I can date this guy.  Who is going to be a better provider, etc...

Choose your poison, that's how women think the world over, Ukraine is not the except or the rule.  Women are just wired up that way.

... in response to Re: Frankly just about every dude in the..., posted by wsbill on Mar 25, 2004

Sorry, WS, but I'm failing to hear any kind of logical thought flow here.  No offense, but you seem to be rambling all over the place.  I already know that Kiev is a major city & I already know that smaller burgs where women & life are simpler are much "better pickin's".  Duh, probably so do the majority of people reading this.  That is why I was tripping on your statement, "I remember going on the one 2001 in Kiev, saw the photos of the ones last year on the river cruise...those smaller city girls off the beaten path are where your going to find a wife, no he-hawing about it."  where you seemed to be reminiscing about the smaller city girls of Kiev... This latest rambling comes across like the God of all MOB Adventurers proclaiming wise sayings down to the neophyte masses. The people who read these articles are just not that ignorant.  Are you smoking tomato leaves or what?  

... in response to Re: Re: Frankly just about every dude in..., posted by robobond on Mar 26, 2004

Of all the guys that I know and who are married to a Ukraine wife.  They were principally from a small village, with the exeption of oatmeals wife.

I happen to know some locally married guys within a 50 mile radius that have a russian wife and guess where they're origninally from.

Go on this tour and find out for yourself, don't put off it another day.  Just make sure you start lining up some women you really want to meet from a reliable source.

... in response to Re: What I was refering to is, posted by wsbill on Mar 26, 2004

Bill?
a small village?
or a provincial city?

Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa, Kherson Simferopol, Sevastopol, Lviv, Mariopol , Zap, even Lugunsk
etc etc etc
are not small cities by any standard..
and certainly not Ukrainian villages.

You where in Ukraine, did you travel to an actual village of lets say 10,000 to 4,000 or 1,000 ? ;)

Sorry i dont buy that most menb are married to women form the villages,
not saying it wouldnt be a good place to meet your future wife,

but most men married to a Ukrainian , are married to one that came from a *village*
of 500,000 to 1 or 2 million!!!
 
as far as you wantng to go the road perhaps less traveled, I agree !

lets keep it real though ;)

as far as worrying over her being spoiled by meeting many foriegn men if she is from Kiev.

You might have missed the bus 5 to 8 years ago on that one, but yes in the provincial cities there are less agencioes and foriegn men, but they ARE there a quick look thru mostr any Ukranian city will spot a half doxzen to a dozen marriage agencies?

For myself i prefer a woman , if she has joined an introducxtion agency, to have been INTRODUCED to at least a few worthy gentleman!
Hopefully better *catches* than myself,,(which isnt hard ;) )

Why ? because if i win her heart and hand in marriage,
over the opposing charming and wealthy Princes-
then it is for real

Just like a girl that hasnt met a single foriegn man yet,
A picky girl rthat has met many can be spoiled, or she can be sincere.This part is up to you to decuide..

but this can show her character, it is not always a negative.

She can be waiting for the bigger better deal, or she can be waiting to find someone she loves ,that has the qualities, which may certainly including provider,
that she is truely looking for.

To say women are just wired "that way"
(to always look for the best provider)
you doom yourself to acceptance of ultimate failure!

that bigger better deal syndrome at its finest..

because what is the simple girl wired that way going to do when she gets here Bill?
My guess is you ,nor I ,
are the best tomatoes in the patch if a woman is simply wired to choose on who is best provider etc..

Certainly some women are like this, and they can be this way no matter where they live.

My advice is to look for women that are NOT wired that way.
no matter where you look for them.

... in response to Re: Re: What I was refering to is, posted by AJ277 on Mar 26, 2004

Hey Bill,

I have to agree with him 100% because he is right.  I have read many of your posts and I think that maybe your statement of women being wired that way was a little out of character for you.  Maybe ate a bad tomato?

Without dicing tomatos here I think we can all agree that Kiev girls tend to be rather spoiled and just as American Women because every diplomat and corporate executive goes there for business if they are to be in Ukraine.  I know I am a very spoiled man and therefore I always stayed at the Premier Palace off of Kreshatik.  Girls went crazy because of the hotel and the limo but they had no heart and therefore were not for me.

As I have written before, I found my sweetheart in Krivoy Rog.  Anna is the sweetest unspoiled girl I have ever met.  I swear that God smiled on me when he gave me my sweet Anichka.  Krivoy Rog is a city much like any provincial city in Ukraine.  Its population during its hayday was about 900,000 but is just over 600,000 today.

What I found very interesting when I met Anna's friends is that they are all very nice, very beautiful and great to be with but all are very competetive but very nice to each other.  I was shocked that in front of my wife, these girls would entertain passes to me that were extremely obvious.  When I asked Anna about this she told me that she it was customary for a man to have a wife and several girl friends so they were not trying to take me as a husband but just wanted to have a nice man.  Now I know where heaven is.

... in response to I can't agree with you more!!!, posted by AllenB on Mar 27, 2004

"Now I know where heaven is."

"it was customary for a man to have a wife and several girl friends so they were not trying to take me as a husband but just wanted to have a nice man."

That statement also says that she is of the mindset that a lover on the side is OK for her also-----it comes along with that arrangement being "customary".

just something to think about...

3 or 2cts. from Dixie

Lynn

... in response to I can't agree with you more!!!, posted by AllenB on Mar 27, 2004

Brother to Micheal.

Over this election year, I wouldn't want to be in Chicago.
Ya never know what could happen.

... in response to Re: Who's going to Ukraine this Spring ?, posted by robobond on Mar 25, 2004

I think he was referring to the other five of six cities and not so much Kiev when he was speaking of cities off the beaten path.

... in response to Re: Re: Who's going to Ukraine this Spri..., posted by Jack on Mar 25, 2004

Jack, you are most probably right... but you have vested interests in trying to analyze and decode this man's brain waves -- I don't.  I goofed because I was just trying to learn by simply reading coherent thought patterns when they are not there.  I guess that's why you make the big bucks and I don't... You're a real pro in this business and my hat's off to you for your vast knowledge as well a your willingness to share it with all of us.  You have that uncanny and amazing ability to spot a WSBill in the crowd, gather him in, put him together with another 20-30 or so 'WSBills' and send them all out on a trip to the Ukrain to party with local pros across six cities.  Hoot, what kind of bumpkin wouldn't like this!  How many come back with a marriage partner and how many come back with dynamite stories that make them want to do it all again & again...  seems like we're talking about two different critters here.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Who's going to Ukraine this ..., posted by robobond on Mar 26, 2004

yes, seems we are talking two different critters here. Let me see if I can help.  

Regarding WildBill's statement you were tripping over  "I remember going on the one 2001 in Kiev, saw the photos of the ones last year on the river cruise...those smaller city girls off the beaten path are where your going to find a wife, no he-hawing about it.".   WildBill went to Kiev in 2001.  This past fall WildBill saw photos of ladies from our boat party in Kherson.  Robo, you have to be able to distinguish between the tomato smoke and what WildBill is saying. He saw Kiev ladies in 2001. In the fall he saw photos of ladies from a much smaller city than Kiev, a city a little more off the beaten path in Kherson. WildBill went on to say (and of course he is expressing his own opinion) "...those smaller city girls off the beaten path are where your going to find a wife, no he-hawing about it".

I ask you robo, what better of an authority to speak of "he-hawing" than WildBill?

Other substantial difference's in the two different critters here are you will never see another 20-30 WSBill types on one of our trips. You will see about a dozen, not 20-30.

With regards to the "local pro's" you are referring too again I think you must be confusing our parties with the much larger and well known socials. We do not have any of these local pro's, certainly not to our knowledge, attending our parties. We do not have the same ladies making party after party after party.  And remember this robo, the guys going on these trips are the one's who invite most the ladies who attend these parties. With these ladies we have there address, there phone numbers, were not dealing thru any agencies with these ladies. And although no one can ever be assured of a woman's true intention, I feel certain we will have less scammers at our events than anyone else who is providing a similar service. I am not so naive to believe that of 55 ladies who could be attending one of our parties that all 55 ladies will be sincere, but I am certain that we will NOT have 20-30-40-50 scammers in attendance.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Who's going to Ukraine t..., posted by Jack on Mar 26, 2004

"I ask you robo, what better of an authority to speak of "he-hawing" than WildBill?"

Jack you could have rested your entire case on this one statement because I cannot argue against it!  LOL!