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I would like to hear from any man who has married a eastern europe lady and even ladies who have married an american man, I am 41 never married no children nonsmoker drink very little 6-4 175 tall slender type quiet disposition self employed strong work ethic I am a farmer in the upper midwest I am Catholic and have strong moral values,I have found these foriegn women web sites and actually some ladies that I would really be interested in, are they really the way these web sites say they are or are they just after money like all the rest? I would like to hear from some couples who have actually done this and would like to know if they could lend me there thoughts,Would the Ukraine be the best place to look for a lady that would be the most accustomed to a more rural lifestyle? any information you could tell me would be nice! Thank You.

... in response to I would like to hear from you!, posted by dav11 on Jan 13, 2004

here's an idea that no ones offered yet but everyone knows about. i tried and got more mail than i could handle, although my fiancee and i met in a very and quite unexpected way. someday i will share the details of what i think is a unique and atypical story. but i digress. post your own ad explaining precisely what and who you desire. jb at first dream can help as well as franko if he wants to share. hey frank how you doin? you to simon. you'll be surprised at the responses you get. you can use all of russia, or fsu or narrow your search to a specific area. it's a great tool to consider. good luck!!

... in response to Re: I would like to hear from you!, posted by FLASH2D on Jan 14, 2004

I admit the idea of the man placing an ad so that he gets responses from ladies who are interested in him sounds appealing.  I have no doubt that some have gone that route and found success.

However, there are a couple of pitfalls that doom it to failure most of the time in my opinion.

First, people always recommend being specific as to the woman you are looking for; but I believe this is impossible given the word restrictions the ads place on you.  One guy posted here previously about his 'specific ad' which was all of about 15 words that had nothing at all specific in it besides something about beautiful woman.

Second, you will get tons of replies, most of which are from women who do not come close to meeting your criteria.  This is because all women think they are beautiful, have good body, are educated, cultured, etc.

So yes, I think it is good for a guy's ego to place ads and get a lot of responses; but it will lead to a lot of wasted time as you plow through all the responses.

I know there are those who will swear by this method, but I believe a more efficient use of time is to be the selector; that is to contact those who are of interest to you.

... in response to Re: I would like to hear from you!, posted by FLASH2D on Jan 14, 2004

I totally agree with "Flash". IMO, a personal ad garners a much better response rate than buying addresses. As stated below, many of the "good women" have become disenchanted with the agency scene and many others would never even consider being listed by an agency. They do however pick up and read the personals section of the local paper.

The chances of a lady responding to a personal ad as opposed to dropping everything and showing up for a blind date whenever their agency calls is astronomically beter. With a photo ad there is no pig in a poke and they can take their time and garner the courage to respond.

This is probably the only way to reach out into the untapped "rural" areas of the FSU where your chances of finding a compatable match would be much greater than in a city.

Believe me, I met many girls from the city who did not have very fond feelings towards the country life (my wife included). Most ladies associate the rural life with hauling water from a well, washing clothes in the river, and digging potatoes as this is a cultural thing. (Most city kids were let out of school for two weeks every fall so that they could go to their grandparent's farm to help bring in the potato crop. What FUN!)

And what better way to pass a COLD (MN) winter than to kick back and let the letters come to you? It sure would brighten up your day to find a couple of letters a week (or more) in your mail box.

All this being said, I would recommend giving Jack from firstdreamdotcom a call as he can cover a lot of the rural areas in the FSU with your ad.

I used Jack's services and got great responses even though I did it on short notice as a "backup plan" for my trip to Kyiv.

His prices and services offered were as good or better than most. He can offer services like a local P.O. address for the ladies to write to, translations, scanning/e-mail, and even writing polite "thanks for your response, but no thanks" letters back for you. He and his staff treat these ladies with respect and dignity not normally found with most agencies.

Give it a try. It sure beats "lookin' for love in all the wrong places" or waiting for the Spring thaw.

... in response to A cure for "cabin fever"..., posted by Rags on Jan 15, 2004

Rags!!!! How are U doing?

Would love to hear from you, find out how things are going.
I heard you moved.

Write me (nunya@ix.netcom), fill me in. I need to know where you live now anyway so I can help other couples new to your area to meet you and your lovely bride.

... in response to I would like to hear from you!, posted by dav11 on Jan 13, 2004

Thank you for your replies, I live in south central minnesota, about 100 miles west of Minneapolis-St Paul,one of the closest towns has population of 5000,which is about 12 miles away, others from 500 to 2600, an area where a lot of people know each other-- I dont meet very many people at my work and I never have been a big bar scene type of person and I am not a real big sports nut, I also must admit that I am rather bashful type until i get to kow someone which probly has hurt me a little, I quess if i was married I would have to move to a town living situation as I presently live on the farm with my mother--- I really dont want to live in town, Mostly I always thought that there should be something around in my area--- but where?-- generally I think there are some of these ladies with good intentions and some not, there is some like that here in this country too, Most of the ones around here are divorced and kids and so on, I would like to have my own-- the biggest failure is never to try, I think that when you choose a partner is one of the biggest decisions you make in life, I would like to have a home of my own with a special person-- probly not unlike anyone else, How did you guys meet your wife? did you go there on a one of these trips they call romance tours? Does anyone have any experience with Loveme.com, they seem okay, the owner has a russian wife also  they have a couple that are interesting to me--- for example-- 55066-Natasha but maybe i am too old for that one-- who knows- well thanks for your replies.

... in response to Re: I would like to hear from you!, posted by dav11 on Jan 14, 2004

But if this isn't the cutest story you've ever read:

http://www.planet-love.com/wwwboard/asian/archives/display.php?archive=000080&id=28524
http://www.planet-love.com/wwwboard/asian/archives/display.php?archive=000081&id=28719

- Jeff

... in response to I would like to hear from you!, posted by dav11 on Jan 13, 2004

What is the closest town in your general area?   For instance I live about 5 miles outside of a city the size of about 30,000 people.  Of course, this isn't like living on the great plains where you might see a car go by every 3 or 4 hours at best.

I know of three married guys who live out in the sticks and their doing just fine.  But like these guys here are saying you have to go OFF the BEATEN path to find your lady.

Just one thing, don't get in any hurry.  Just like over here you take your time on the selection process.  And if you haven't heard it yet.  NEVER send anyone money you have never met...reguardless of the sob story.  This is old culture, where if you want something... you get it yourself and this goes equally well for women.

And of course, don't send anyone money for a airline ticket over...as this is just a scam.  There is a proceedure it entails you going over there...not the other way around for a visit.

The best advice I can give is read, read, read, read the archieves.  If you have a question, please ask it.

... in response to I would like to hear from you!, posted by dav11 on Jan 13, 2004

there are a number of organizations who run 3-6 week exchange programs.  Some are targeted to FSU farmers who come here to learn better farming techiniques.  Even organic farming.  You might want to check them out.  Or better yet,  take a tour of farms in the Ukraine...they would all be glad to see you and...ya never know.

... in response to I would like to hear from you!, posted by dav11 on Jan 13, 2004

if you are new to this???....this little pursuit,  then Zink is right-on.  If you are lookin' on the internet,  most of these "agencies"  are just shucksters trying to get you into their little carnival tent.  Tons of propaganda,  more hot air than Beria and Stalin.  Many have zero ethics.  Now once we get you into the tent,  then we set the hook and reel you in.  "Buy your ladies address?",  emails and translations which "your lady" cannot afford.  Next you are sending flowers and stuffed animals to "your lady".  Sometimes "your lady" does not even exist.  Its a little revenue machine, kkkkaaa--ching.  Be careful out there.

Read the archives alot.  If you are serious get some good advice.  Plenty of experienced guys on this board.  Try Jack Bragg (dare I say it) at firstdream. He may know of a small agency in the country? I'm sure he probably does.

Farmlife?  Alot of girls may not go for it.  Right now there is a big lure for the cities.  More jobs,  much more money, more culture,  more of everything.  They are experiencing migrations to the cities,  while we went through that in the early 1900's.  In the 50's we fled to the 'burbs.  They are a couple cycles behind us.  Decades. I think you need to find a countrygirl who wants life on the farm.  That could be Slim Pickens.  But could work.  Good luck.  I'm not trying to discourage you.  I am 100% sure there is a great girl for you out on a farm there...somewhere.  So you gotta find out where and how to look.

ps: Both Ukraine and Russia do have very rural areas.  Ukraine has been the breadbasket...so probably more farms there...my guess.  And more farmgirls.  Thats where you wanna go.

... in response to I would like to hear from you!, posted by dav11 on Jan 13, 2004

The one thing to keep uppermost in your mind is that virtually NONE of the statements by agency owners that you read on the internet sites are true.

For instance:

There are not 10 women for every 1 man in the FSU.
These gals are not looking for a man substantially older than themselves.
They are not all great cooks.
They are not all educated, sophisticated, devoted to family life, etc.

All that sounds too good to be true is exactly that.

There are however, many, many acceptable gals in the FSU for each man looking.  You will find a much larger selection there than you will find in the western countries.

The caution about misunderstanding of rural life in USA is true.  To overcome this, have available pictures of the schools, shopping malls, theatres, etc., near your home.

... in response to I would like to hear from you!, posted by dav11 on Jan 13, 2004

From my personal experience you'll have more trouble finding a rural girl. It is possible but will be more difficult. The main reason is that rural there means no phones, no computers, no agencies and no contact with the outside. Many people there don't understand the differences between our rural and theirs and thus have no interest in a farmer here. Many of the farm girls that did get somewhere with access to the outside world don't want to go back to the farm. The few I met think fondly of it but don't want to live it again.  

I don't know that there would be any difference between Russia and Ukraine when looking for a farm girl. I was lucky and found a city girl that was willing to give life on a ranch a try. I just spent some time living in a village in eastern Russia. They had electricity but not indoor plumbing and the rest of it was very similar to life here about 50-100 years ago. Small equipment, wood stoves and lots of back breaking labour.

... in response to Re: I would like to hear from you!, posted by Zink on Jan 14, 2004

so how are you doing?
tried to send you e-mail but it came back

... in response to Re: Re: I would like to hear from you!, posted by RW on Jan 14, 2004

Hi,
I've got a new e-mail adress at home. I've just sent you an update at the adress you listed here.

... in response to I would like to hear from you!, posted by dav11 on Jan 13, 2004

Rural here doesn't equate to rural in a lot of the FSU.

Rural there often equates to virtually no modern convieniences, i.e. : electricity all the time, hot water all the time, running water (other than a stream). Often it is hard to get across to them that rural life here has progressed to a level much above what they know rural life to be there.

The most stunningly beautiful woman that I saw in all my travels to the FSU was feeding the cattle in a barnyard beside the road between Odessa and Izmial. We had to stop because of a impromptu militia roadside checkpoint which just happened to occur besde the farm. Barefooted in cow dung, hair tied back, no makeup, sack-cloth dress------I would have kicked Miss America square in the arse just to have had the chance to met a woman like her.

... in response to Definitions................, posted by Lynn on Jan 14, 2004

Lynn's right about definitions. Normally folks in the MOB scene will advise guys not to brag about their material wealth, but in this case if you go to meet a lady you may want to break that rule and show her via picutues, etc., that life in rural America is not like that in the FSU. Every woman wants to improve her situation in life.

You may also want to search the archives for posts by Marty, he's a rancher from north Nebraska who found success in the FSU. Unfortunately, he recently got called up for the "sandbox."

... in response to I would like to hear from you!, posted by dav11 on Jan 13, 2004

I agree with Stan's post that, in general, these ladies are legitimate and will provide you with much happiness.  However, I can tell you that these women are well-educated and many of them may not be interested in a rural location.  You need to be honest about where you live and the lifestyle involved.  I would suggest that you concentrate your search at the smaller cities in Ukraine and Russia as a general matter, particularly in the southern areas.  Also, if you look hard enough, you may actually find some ladies' profiles who are interested in a rural life.  Best of luck to you.

... in response to I would like to hear from you!, posted by dav11 on Jan 13, 2004

For The Rural parts of FSU.   Try both
the rural parts of Russia near both Moscow & St. Petersburg.

           Also for a MORE rural part of Russia try
SIBERIA.

        Which is IMHO the MOST rural part of Russia.

... in response to I would like to hear from you!, posted by dav11 on Jan 13, 2004

Yes, if you do your "homework' and are patient and "blessed", you could be as happily married as I and my wife are. Now,, there are many traps and pitfalls on the road, for both the women and men playing this game so buyer bewear. But yes, just like "typical" American" marriges, there are both good and bad stories. But I can almost guarrantee you this,, If you do get "lucky" and find a "match",,,, She will be more passionate, loving, and dedicated to you than any woman you could ever find here in the States. GUARRANTEED!!!