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I didn't quite understand what one local Jewish/Russian lady living in my area was telling my wife...Apparently,her whole family arrived here very recently and all are currently living around the greater Boston area allowed here from Russia as Jewish Exiles...
Anybody know anything about that???
Is it still difficult being Jewish and living in Russia???
Do Jewish/Russians have such an oppertunity to arrive so easily to the USA as exiles in this day and age???
My wife said she didn't know if she could believe everything this lady told her...they met in a supermarket here and traded telephone numbers....

... in response to Jewish Life In Russia..., posted by RickM on Feb 17, 2003

I'm surprised that this is still going on. My wife went to school with jews in Russia and had jewish teachers (durring soviet times). They own TV stations in Russia and there are many that jumped on the get rich train when the soviet union fell, and many are now deeply involved in the mofia types of bussiness there. All this seems strange to accomplish for a group that is suppose to be treated so badly. If anything I suspect it is a loop hole that is still being used to come here. I'm sure there are many there that don't like them because of their abilities to rise above the common man just as there are many here that feel the same way.

Off topic- someone told me that the reason America supports Isreal is for fear that if they were to lose their country to Arabs they'll pack up and come to America.

Mike- who has an Uncle that is Jewish.

... in response to Re: Hmmmm strange!, posted by Mike on Feb 18, 2003

Mike,

Re your off topic: If you research the matter you will discover that the reason that the U.S. supports Israel is threefold:

1. Strong Christian lobby
2. Strong Jewish lobby
3. History of persecution of Jews
culminating in Holocaust.

Both groups base their strong support on Scriptural grounds.

Bible prophecy is being fulfilled in dramatic fashion right before our very eyes. The restoration of the nation of Israel in 1948 and the retaking of Jerusalem in 1967 are undeniable fulfillments of God's promises in Scripture....

... in response to Re:strange!, posted by WmGo on Feb 18, 2003

I agree that the lobby is making decisions based on what you said (which it shouldn't if it truely were to seperate church from state). I'm agnostic I beleive there is something over me but I disagree that if it was written by man then it must be the truth. I respect those that have strong beliefs as long as they don't try to push it on me. In this case I feel that if the bible had told the English they will own Normandy because it is promised to them, and at the same time said the jews will own Isreal then we would see a war in France. Meaning they have followed these writtings for so long while relying totaly on it being the truth, even though it has been proven to be full of holes and impossible events and far too many questions then answers.(the bible that is)If I were god I would come down and say "hey guys everyone is wrong all you need to do is talk to me yourself" then we would have a heck of a better world to live in!
Mike

... in response to Re: Re:strange!, posted by Mike on Feb 19, 2003

Mike,

Can you honestly say that you have personally burned the midnight oil in studying the Scriptures? If you take the time, and it will take a lot of time, you will learn that there is not a single inconsistency or contradiction in Scripture. Science, history and archaeology are also in complete accord.

Now, it is all about the battle for Jerusalem. And what you need to realize is the spiritual reality behind what you see...it is all fortold.

Also, I am sorry but your understanding of "seperation of church and state" is in error. Again, to understand this issue you must *personally* study the relevant history and law. It takes time. But you can do it. In summary, you will learn that the First Amendment was designed to prohibit the establishment of a *national* official Christian denomination. It has nothing to do with prohibiting one's personal beliefs (religious or otherwise) from influencing, deciding etc. one's political views, agenda, legislation etc.

To help you in your new Bible study I recommend some first rate internet sites: bible-prophecydotorg and bible-prophecydotcom. These are excellent sites and have a lot of links. But always remember - there is no substitute for personally studying the Bible. And most importantly, Salvation is a *free* gift - you must only receive it.

Good luck!

WmGO

... in response to Re: strange!, posted by WmGo on Feb 19, 2003

Hey William !
Wonderful post, how perfectly true. That most sought after piece of real estate on planet earth, Jerusalem. Oh Jerusalem .......

Gee isnt it a pity that more people dont attempt to find out why. When you find a spare FSU woman or two who understands that as well, dont forget to give us a yell down south!! After all .... who wants to be unequally yoked in todays world.

Best wishes down south your way WG!
J.

... in response to Re: Re: strange!, posted by JohnL on Feb 22, 2003

Thanks JohnL. And best wishes to you! Hope 2003 is good to ya.

... in response to Jewish Life In Russia..., posted by RickM on Feb 17, 2003

Back about 1995 or 96 a Jewish Russian woman suddenly showed up working in my office as a rookie level computer programmer. She had been some kind of engineer in Russia and came over on that exact program, along with her husband and a couple of kids. Her husband was an optician (not the doctor, just the guy who makes the glasses), his English was barely understandable, but he still managed to get a job as a techniciation at Eye Masters. Her English was excelent even the day she arrived. She stayed with us a couple of years then moved on and I've lost track of them now. But she did say that they had come over on that program and I remember her saying that Russia was glad to be rid of them (Jews in general, not this family in particular) and that while it wasn't exactaly 1938 Germany, that they were pretty much descriminated against. Actually, they were real nice, well educated and very hard working people (and the woman was #9 pretty to boot).

... in response to Jewish Life In Russia..., posted by RickM on Feb 17, 2003

Rick,

During the Cold War, I believe beginning in the Reagan Administration, the U.S. Government persuaded the Soviets to begin to allow Russian Jews to emigrate to the U.S. and Israel. Christian leaders in the U.S. were the primary moving forces behind the advent of this program. I do not know the exact number that came to America under this special program but I think it was a lot - at least tens of thousands, maybe more. This information should be on the internet. I think that at least one million have emigrated to Israel under this program. Israel is loaded with Russian Jews.

Yes, Jews have always been looked down on by Russian society. They have been discriminated against and sometimes persecuted. The famous "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" , which is universally acknowledged by academics throughout the world to be a made up forgery, was written in Russia about a hundred years ago as anti-Semitic propaganda. There are a lot of white supremacists, Nazis, skinheads, etc. that believe that The Protocols are real and use this belief as justification for their anti-Semitism.

Yes, it is still difficult to be Jewish in Russia as you are looked on with suspicion and viewed as a second class citizen.

It is probable that most Russian and Ukrainian Jews are descended from the Khazar Jews who had a large and great kingdom north of the Caucusus during the first millenium B.C.

Hope this helps.

WmGO

... in response to Jewish Life In Russia..., posted by RickM on Feb 17, 2003

the 1980 'refugee' act did give special status, in terms of immigration, to FSU Jews. Approximately 500,000 have emigrated the the USA, since it's inception.

If my memory serves me correctly, the volume has decreased since the middle 1990's. I do, however, recall stories that many of these 'refugees' weren't Jewish refugees at all, but criminal elements 'kindly' placed here by our friends in the FSU. Analogous, at least in effect, to Fidel's 'gifts' of the late 1980's.

... in response to Senator Frank Lautenberg's 1989 amendmen..., posted by BURKE89 on Feb 17, 2003

I live in a Russian area of Brooklyn, New York.  There are plenty of support groups for all the Russians.  What is interesting is I run into alot of Jewish and Non-Jewish Russians.  Here in America they quickly forget their religious differences and help each other, for the most part.  There does seem to be a big "mafia" element around - but that might just be a New York City immigrant type of thing - it seems all the immigrant groups have them.  The Russians do seem to be particularly good at the mafia thing.  Anyway, my Russian teacher is a Russian Jew from Moscow.  She said that she always was descriminated against because she was Jewish (stamped in her passport in Russia) - whether she asked for it or not.  That is why she emigrated here with her family when she could.  Never the less, I think she wishes she were still living in Moscow.  The only thing that keeps her and her family here is the higher standard of living - I believe.  I think the racial / ethnic / religious persecution people in Russia generally suffered for centuries is on the decline.  People hate Jews all over the world, particularly in Europe - why still in Europe I can only surmise because of the huge Arab populations in countries like France, Germany, England etc. - because Hitler sure eliminated just about all Jews.  In Russia, especially in the North-West the people look and act like Jews, there is alot of mixed blood - yet they descriminate there as well.  I guess misinformation / the terror of Middle Age Christianity / ignorance still goes a long way.  Anyway, another thing that is pretty funny I heard from my real estate agent, who is a really tall Latvian Jew (looks about as NW Russian as they come, with the blond hair blue eyes etc.) - is that Russian Jews came to America, help all the other Russians when they come over, yet every once in a while the Russia / Russians still try to make the Russian Jews feel like second class citizens in America - that gets the Russian Jews here mad!  I find it all amusing (perhaps I should not as a mixed religious with Jewish blood / European Mutt myself) - but for sure nobody, especially here in the US where we all end up being European Mutts likes descrimination.

... in response to Support groups, posted by Bobby Orr on Feb 17, 2003

the other post.

Yes, the new 'anti-semitic' furor in Europe is from: North Africa (all Africa for that matter) & immigration from less developed regions of our world, into the west. However, Ex-Marxist rabble still 'prance' about throughout 'EU galas' , without an ounce - of moral doubt nor rectitude for their crimes. I sense a double-standard: regarding the two faces of totalitarian thought of the last century.  

Fellow "European-American -Heinz 57- Mutt"

... in response to Senator Frank Lautenberg's 1989 amendmen..., posted by BURKE89 on Feb 17, 2003

But many of them *were* real Jews, who did suffer persecution.

... in response to Re: Senator Frank Lautenberg's 1989 amen..., posted by Alfred on Feb 17, 2003

Christians were persecuted, as well. They simply didn't receive the same 'status' intially, at least.

Just not a fan of our immigration policy -post 1965- 'tis all.

... in response to I concur, however..., posted by BURKE89 on Feb 17, 2003

Burke -

Thanks for clearing things up below.  I appreciate the help.  I did not think I was starting a brawl - went to sleep / work and woke up to this.  All I thought I was doing was stating that I am attracted to white women and did not appreciate what has happened to the cultural and face of the USA as a direct result of the 1965 immigration policy change.

... in response to I concur, however..., posted by BURKE89 on Feb 17, 2003

I think the "Nixon" 1971 immigration reform was the worst thing that happened to the US.  That was when we (USA) decided to favor South America / Africa / Far East/ Middle East (perhaps worst of all) to make up for "past discrimination" in our immigration policy.  As far as I am concerned the failure of Nixon to veto that bill - will always make him a loser of a President - more than Watergate - because we see the direct results in America today.  Soon America will look more like South America / Africa than Europe - what a shame - because I can not think of too many girls from those regions that I would want to have sex with - and I have a feeling most people on this board feel exactly like I do.

... in response to 1971, posted by Bobby Orr on Feb 17, 2003

When I went with my wife to the I.N.S. office in cincinnati to file for her green card, work permit and so on. I was surprised to see that maybe 2% were white and the other 100 people or so were dark to very dark in color and the number of those from south america were few. It had me scratching my head!
Mike

... in response to 1971, posted by Bobby Orr on Feb 17, 2003

that was quite a bit of a racist comment. First of all I'm a white guy that got adopted by a Hispanic family. I tell you I wouldn't change it for the world. As for most of us wanting girls for sex. There is MORE to it than just sex. I don't know if perhaps your comments came out the wrong way or if it was meant to be insulting & degrading. I've done that by accident on more than one occasion. I would take a lady from anywhere as long as she met certain criteria looks are NOT that high on the priority list.

... in response to Sorry have to disagree..., posted by Frank O on Feb 17, 2003

Dewd, wants a Russian gal. Is that racist?

This 'racist crap' is nuts, Frank.

Should I call you racist, because your a white lad, playing with Mestizo gals?

Come on now...

-V-

... in response to Friggin' eh...., posted by BURKE89 on Feb 17, 2003

WHAT A SHAME?!" If THAT does not sound racist?!...."what a shame?" Cmon!

... in response to America will look more like South Americ..., posted by Frank O on Feb 18, 2003

You're a decent fellow, Frank - period! I'm sorry, I've offended you. A certain individual, well.. got me a tad goin' and I started shootin' my M-16, or should I say: my new CZ, everywhere... Golly, I even made some semi-wacko (at the very least, rather specious) crack to Dan, 'bout Mrs. Berry. Sheesh...

However, that being said:

certain cultures (code word - RACE), place men on the moon, develope sophisticated guidance systems... on & on & on throughout recorded history. For example (regarding penalizing racial ability), The Chinese in Malaysia. They were utterly persecuted, by a demogogic Maylasian politician in the late 60's. They're now only beginning to rectify past grev... against the 'talented minority,' and loss of talent.

Point is:

I want EDUCATED TALENT - coming to my country! Yes, superfluous of race; however, we (logical people) can base our 'predjudices' upon - recorded history & culture over the last few millenium.

Dewd...what up?

... in response to Friggin' eh...., posted by BURKE89 on Feb 17, 2003

do ya have the up swing on the down flow or rock slide from the wind slide? do ya get the skinny or take that fatty---in between the grit and gleam.......? Do you like it smooth or salty and raw......tell me Burke did you see what ya saw?
Now you want to get down with the ling bro.......I have it down.
I went to the FSU to find a 'white' woman......I have dated women of many colors-much like the proverbial rainbow. I am not afraid to admit that I feel that my life is less complex with a white woman, but I will not make judgments on those who choose differently. I do not agree with the fudge packers.......but I will not judge them. So while your pal is entitled to look for his honky wife in the last whitey stronghold called the Former Soviet Union, he has no right implicating me in his charade of dissing my lovely dark skinned African or coco colored sisters.
Just a more poignant point!
Joe

... in response to ebonics... ruins decent threads. n/t, posted by BURKE89 on Feb 18, 2003

meaning........I was just following your lead. I was never any good at pig latin and I haven't a clue what type of code you are using so I just thought I would throw out some subliminal, multi-metaphoric dia-tripe to fill ya up! All is 4U
Joe
:)

... in response to what is that spread UR Spanking........., posted by yoe on Feb 18, 2003

Yoe - I do not mean to be offensive in any way.  I am just saying that I prefer white women.  I am also saying that the 1965 immigration policy changed the USA forever - and I am not attracted to these multi-cultural women.

... in response to Facts are facts, posted by Bobby Orr on Feb 18, 2003

it is just my nature. :)
I am the first to admit that men go to the FSU to get the greatest import from the motherland since vodka-white girls. There is no greater commodity. If you put it on the Nasdaq it would beat Walmart.....never the less, turn on BET-you have got to love those big booties. And, those spanish sisters------wow. I just love women, always have always will. One thing I do like about my Eastern Euro wife is she IS tolerant on the fact that I like to look at girls-I believe she feels it is healthy!! :)
Joe

... in response to 1971, posted by Bobby Orr on Feb 17, 2003

Of the more well-known ladies from those ethnic groups you mentioned that get my blood racing.

Additionally, having spent some substantial time in Indonesia, India, and other countries in Asia - I can tell you that there are plenty of beautiful, sexy and intelligent  ladies that I would have considered (and did consider) potential life partners.

I honestly expect that most guys on this board aren't focused on race/ethnicity, so much as they are focused on long-term compatibility and the desire to have a successful partnership for life. At least, I hope so.

FWIW

- Dan

... in response to Selma Hayak, J Lo, Halle Barry - Just A ..., posted by Dan on Feb 17, 2003

regarding the three gals you've mentioned:

One sticks out: - Ms. 'Barry' -who has been so fierce in her ethnicity: Well, her mother was a single white woman, with a 'departed' black husband, whose daughter had 'nada' in his childs up-bringing. Yet, 'his daughters' verbal tata  at the Oscars - made nothing of these simple notions.

Why rock the boat, she has a good gig going on - supressed 'black' millionaires - who hate their European Mothers - who raised them. *A+*

I love fiction, however.

S.H., however, is a different story. Another stunning gal from Castil... stock!

... in response to Dan... no offense, yet..., posted by BURKE89 on Feb 17, 2003

I don't know any of those 3 ladies, so have no insight into their characters which is at least as important as their outward beauty.

I cited those 3 as recognizable figures simply to make a point.

FWIW

- Dan

... in response to 1971, posted by Bobby Orr on Feb 17, 2003

you're going to get yourself in trouble...

NOT with RW/UK folks, but everbody else... LOL

The 'reform' was in 1965 - at least in a proportionate national origin sense (Thanks, T. Kenn...). I'm not familiar with Ricky's '71 gig (VDARE.com is the spot for non-PC conversation on the subject).

Good luck to your Rangers, & my B-Hawks.... for that matter.

... in response to 'Puck Brother'..., posted by BURKE89 on Feb 17, 2003

I'll check my facts - either way I do not see why I'll be in trouble with everyone else for just believing that the immigration reform act of 1965 has dramatically hurt the US (I'll check on 1971 - I guess my memory may be off today from all the snow).  Darn, I cleaned my driveway, my neighbors driveway, my sidewalk, two of my neighbors sidewalks, my tenants walk..........sheesh - 2 feet today - it feels like we have more snow than Siberia.

... in response to ok, posted by Bobby Orr on Feb 17, 2003

Thanks for the re-education.  1965 was the landmark bill - so Nixon is off the hook for that one - another strikeout for the Johnson administration - but it figures.  VDARE does look like a good site for non-PC talk on the subject - thanks.  Rangers still suck - even with all their high priced talent they may not even make the playoffs.  For hockey's sake I actually hope they do not make the playoffs.

... in response to I stand corrected, posted by Bobby Orr on Feb 17, 2003

[This message has been edited by yoe]

you forgot to say that "Jesus loves Alabama Porch Monkey too." Guess what Bobby.......FSU chicks are now marrying those Darkies.......many marry them damm sand niggers.......hey what are ya going to do? I know......they need a few more good men in the Marine Corp.......See ya
Joe

... in response to spoken like a true conservative............, posted by yoe on Feb 17, 2003

I present: a H. Cell or block (not swell Indiana, but reality in L.A.) Say, out of your first 700: you've got 17-20 near the pile - who wish they were in O.C., & an equal amount of Asian lad's watchin' the 'the pile'tight. Then, you've got 60-80 br... Then, 500-600...

Tell me 'bout, farm boy.. poppin' s... to me...

If Bobby, wants a European Lady.

Then, you just babble on your: Marxist/Porno mission!

Eh, boy?

Nuff said.

... in response to Bo-Bo..., posted by BURKE89 on Feb 17, 2003

our dear euro-trash sucker insinuated he would NOT date these 'un'white folks and then he has the audacity to claim the rest of us think like him. As far as the neo-porno-facsimo-idealogue crap...........just because I have a diametrically aimed sense of humor has no reflection on my belief systems........And the last time I checked......sex was not bad and racism was........just because a bunch of wacko Americans cannot deal with sexuality do not blame me. It is the white man's burden. Ashamed of his own penis so she labels them all sinful..........this is chronic social brainwashing. I love watching people have sex....come on over and you can watch me.......God made it that way. If any of these neo-conservative fascist believe that God invented clothing to hide sex-----well that is their loss. I have a mouth to eat with and a penis to love my wife with........Thank God
Joe

... in response to the truth shall set you free..........., posted by yoe on Feb 18, 2003

am lucky to be alive, despite my 'middle-class' upbringing!

You've popped a couple, of good one's into this equation, of late. Yet, now... "something you'll erase shortly, I hope, at least for posterit... sake.' Please erase, what you have just written, if not...

I wish you the best, at least for your Russian...

It will please you, in the fact, that I now live: back in NM. (old Spanish rebel gig... et al.).

Turn the dammned thing off... Computer, that is.

H.B. is still waitin'... the 'short-haired' kids keep the neighborhood ---- pristine!

They've been trained well, indeed!

Regards,

Vaughn

... in response to Joe, I too..., posted by BURKE89 on Feb 18, 2003

peace love and tenderass!
joe

... in response to I stand corrected, posted by Bobby Orr on Feb 17, 2003

[This message has been edited by micha1]

For you Burke and Bobby,
as you know in Montréal and Québec, there are a few hockey fans.

Well, the subject of this post.
They start playing very early and very young.
What do you think is the budget for a year,
for a team of Novice AAA, those are nine years old boys.
Sure they play all over the province, which is 2 and one half time
the size of  Texas, but what the hell....
$200 G's.
Some of the kids have agents, simply incredible,
while the kids are trying to play, the parents are
fighting in the stand.
A lt-detective is on trial, because he said that he was
going to kill the ref.
It is a wonderful world, n'est-ce pas......

Is there anything new on the western front.

... in response to Re: I stand corrected, posted by micha1 on Feb 17, 2003

your English is improving...lil red Micky!

Oh, well. If not for the fact, that Russian Men & Women didn't agree with me.... you might win!

'How much is the 'lil doggy - in the window?

Query: How many of you - are there?

At least - you all(') respond in cadence!

-Von-

... in response to Jewish Life In Russia..., posted by RickM on Feb 17, 2003

Here in Schenectady, NY, there is a similar "network" of extended FSU Jewish immigrant families.

Certainly there was large scale anti-semitism in Soviet Russia.  As we know, it does not die overnight.  I have never discussed it with my Russian friends so I have no personal knowledge.

My observation is that there is a significant support group within the former FSU Jewish community here that provides INS "red tape" assistance, legal advice, support, post arrival adjustment counseling, language lessons, and other job and education assistance.

I belong to a Scottish Heritage social society, the St. Andrew's Society.  Here it was founded in 1803 to provide similar assistance for Scottish immigrants.  Today we support many charities without any ethnic ties.  It is the American way, I believe.

My only wish is that we who want to sponsor the immigration to America of our FSU loved ones could organize the same support and influence the INS as positively.

... in response to Jewish Life In Russia..., posted by RickM on Feb 17, 2003

Anti-Semitic sentiment. Surprisingly so - and I suspect it is similar in Russia.

As I understand the US Government's *past* position (may be changed after 9/11), people that are the victims of widespread religious persecution are allowed asylum into the US relatively easily.

In fact, there was quite a lot of press given these rules a few years back when the Ukrainian immigrant living in California (don't recall his name offhand) killed many of his family members there. He had immigrated to the US under the asylum provisions as a persecuted Evangelical Christian.

I'm not sure what modifications, if any, have occurred since 9/11.

- Dan

... in response to In Ukraine I've Observed Very Strong . ...., posted by Dan on Feb 17, 2003

Dan, you make several sound points. When this 'question' is brought up: I always harken back to a comment made to me on many occasions, by my best friend in high school. He was a Ukranian American, whose father escaped the gauntlet of repatriation in 1945, in Austria, prior to coming to the states. His intense feelings on the subject matter, made me investigate the subject matter in earnest. Lest, I digress...

His repitive comment: was in inference to a plaque in his father's home town (Simferopol, if I remember correctly), which celebrated lost members of the KGB during WWII. Well, this stone memorial plaque was engraved with approximately 30 men. Yes, every name upon the plaque - was of Jewish extraction.

I'm not trying to make any form of social nor historical commentary here; for that, is a task of true scholars, unlike myself.

A friend, in Russia, has informed my of the storm of controversy such a scholar has envoked by asking just this question. His name is... Solzhenitsyn.

Perhaps, a few have heard of the guy?

Best of luck, with the little one 'on the way.'

Regards, Vaughn

... in response to In Ukraine I've Observed Very Strong . ...., posted by Dan on Feb 17, 2003

Anti-semitism is spreading all over Europe once again.  Ofcourse no one wants to admit it.

... in response to Re: In Ukraine I've Observed Very Strong..., posted by ChrisNJ on Feb 17, 2003

But it is certainly not an issue here in England.