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Does anybody have any idea of the medical exam cost in Kiev @ the Hospital for Oil-Refining?

Would be a great help, also if your lady needs vaccinations are the cost extra?

Thanks in advance,
Tom_tx

... in response to Medical Exam Cost @, posted by TomTx on Jan 9, 2003

Hello Tom from Texas,

  As you are asking about the Hospital for Oil Refining, I have the information below in both English and Ukraine, in case you want to send the info to your fiancee.

Hospital for Oil Refining Industry of Ukraine
9, Spusk Protasov Yar
252110 Kiev 110, Ukraine
011-380-44-277-4181 or
011-380-44-244-8941

Poliklinika Neftepererobativayuschey Promishlenosti Ukraine
Spusk Protasov Yar, 9
252110 Kiev, Ukraine
380 44 2774181
2448941

The prices vary between the different clinics, from $65 to $100 for adults and $25 to $50 for children.

Input that I have gotten from various clients whose fiancée's have done the exams over the past year (and as recent as a few weeks ago) between the clinics is that the Hospital for Oil Refining Industry seems to be the clinic of choice by most the ladies. Very professional with minimal wait time. It is the more expensive of the clinics but with the minimal time one usually has to wait it is probably the hospital I would recommend guys to consider.

I would suggest you have your lady call the clinic and ask the personal about what records they need to bring and to get as much information about the shots as possible before she goes in for her appointment.

Tom, the prices are somewhat of a moving target in that depending on what shots are, or are not needed, the prices can vary.  I am aware of on at least three different occasions where the cost for a medical exam cost the ladies $110. This was because they had to be given a shot that is not so often given.

My advice that I give to guys when they ask about the pricing, and if you go to the Hospital for Oil Refining, is to give your lady $120. Hopefully she won't need it but you would rather be safe than sorry.

On another note Tom, it looks as though your fiancée will be here in a few months. Myself, and about another 85 RW/AM couples would very much like to meet you and your fiancée at the 7th Annual Texas men's appreciation for Russian women Bar-B-Que and May Day Celebration on May 3rd. Write me at nunya@ix.netcom.com if you might have interest to attend.

... in response to (*/*), posted by Jack on Jan 9, 2003

Jack thanks for the information. My lady will be here first part of June, we are going to wait until her son finishes school in May.
Thanks for the invite to the BBQ, maybe next year.

Thanks again,
Tom

... in response to Re: (*/*), posted by TomTx on Jan 10, 2003

Good move on your part in allowing the child to finish school.

We will have our 4th annual Galvaston beach party in July or August, maybe see you there.

... in response to Medical Exam Cost @, posted by TomTx on Jan 9, 2003

Tom, drop me an email.

Victoria can talk to your fiance if you would like...

BTW, we paid $90. $65 for Victoria and $25 for Stas. (I have the receipt right here in front of me)

Victoria says that for the immigration visa, you need all of your shots, but for the Fiance Visa it was not required... she can get them here. At least that was what Victoria was told. But... then again, she had all of her vaccinations already, so it was not an issue.

Neither she nor Stas got any shots in Kiev. Victoria had an X-Ray and blood tests done, but that was all part of the $65. SHe thinks that up until age 12, a child doesn'tneed all of that work done, which is why it was cheaper for Stas.

If you do want her to get all of her vaccinations in Kiev, it will be extra. But Victoria is confident that she does not need it.

Victoria cautions that your fiance must be ready for a LONG wait. She waited almost 6 hours for her exam. (from 10::00am to 3:30pm) It was REALLY hard on Stas who was VERY bored the whole time.

... in response to Re: Medical Exam Cost @, posted by MarkInTx on Jan 9, 2003

contact 'Honest' Jack Bragg at Firstdream.com. He can get you a better deal. He also has a plethora of information concering most other issues. I would honestly avoid rogue adventurers who have made a trip or 2 and are unable to make a truly educated evaluation. Again that is 'Honest' Jack Bragg at Firstdream.com for real and accurate information...
Joe

... in response to My objective opinion is to..., posted by yoe on Jan 9, 2003

I am sure 'Honest' Jack Bragg would know best... you are right...

He knows MUCH better than my fiance who was just there two months ago.

I agree whole-heartedly, Yoe, thanks for setting me straight on this.

Really, as long as Jack Bragg is back... I guess everyone else can just stop posting...

... in response to Of course, posted by MarkInTx on Jan 9, 2003

"I guess everyone else can just stop posting"...  More bad advice from you MarkinTex? Or maybe you are just trying to be a smartass? naaaa, not you MarkinTex. YOU would never try to be a smartass!

The fact is I enjoy reading post's from knowledgeable people, as knowledgeable people help to educate me. There are many knowledgeable people who post here, there are many good people who post here who seek more knowledge, then there are a few, who for some reason, like to give out false information, facts, outright lies and even slander. You are a very good example as to one who will attempt to slander, lie, quote very mis-leading (and I suspect in-correct) facts and statistics, as I pointed out in my last post to you when you took your last cheap shot at me. Many posters have commented to me as to why you didn't address even one of the fifthteen statements in which I challenged your facts, statistics and even called you an out right liar, even after you claim you have proof and evidence!

It seems you are even now making false statements about LP's girl. You call her young, when she is older than your wife. Well, I guess that is subject to debate. To an 80 year old man 60 would be considered young. You call LP's lady impressionable when your,...well let me let you read for yourself. We all know, as you have told us, and we all believe you, that you never read anything that LP writes, but in an attempt to expand your limited knowledge, I am sure you read everything I write......

".....impressionable Asian chick (who is older than our dear Vika) is a Stanford educated microbiologist. Unlike some other folks I personally know, not as easy to bed and incapable of telling a lie. Trust me, in the future you'll be dearly wishing you'd thrown one back also. If she has twice the balls you do (that wouldn't take much), have her come on here and publicly deny it. She won't do it and you're to chickensheet to ask why. Maybe because she knows I'll blow her little charade outta the water. lol...go ahead, make my day..."

There, that last quote was direct from LP. Now we know you have read at least one recent LP statement. Just as I wish you could justify many of the statements you claim as fact (and you don't), just as I wish you could provide us with proof of the statistics you quote (and you don't), maybe, since Vika reads P-L now, you would like to clear the air and let's prove to everyone that LP is indeed wrong!

... in response to More bad advice!, posted by Jack on Jan 10, 2003

I didn't respond to your diatribe because, frankly, I didn't make it through all of it. I got the gist of it...

But I saw no sense in a point by point rebuttal.

Maybe "Many posters have commented to [you]" that I should respond to it... but no one (that I saw) asked for a response. I think that most of the board breathed a collective sigh of relief that I didn't post a blaring point by counterpoint rebuttal.

Jack... believe me... no one cares.

If you have some actual topic that you would like to debate -- such as why I feel that your method of finding a wife is not the best way for everyone -- I will.

To debate the fact that you think I am an "azzhole" is senseless. At the end of the debate, you will still think I'm an azzhole,  (And you will quickly be backed up  by BarryM, Oscar, and probably LP.)

Does anyone honestly believe there is one thing I could possibly say which would lead you to say: "Oh... you know... I never saw it that way before. You're an all right guy, MarkinTx..."

As for LP, I have no intention of trying to sort through his constantly shifting story either.

To be honest, I think he has the wrong woman. Certainly nothing he has said about the Vika he met resonates with the Victoria I know.

But... I'll tell you what. This is really easy to solve.

I'll do it in a separate post.

As for Victoria... she has requested a login name, and has not received approval from Patrick yet.

However, she has no intention on coming on here and defending herself like someone out of a "Nathaniel Hawthorne" novel, and I won't let her...

... in response to As sensible as I can be, posted by MarkInTx on Jan 10, 2003

still picking fights, I see. The fact is, you are an azzhole, and you may always be an azzhole for your remaining days. You proven it repeatedly to such an extreme that it's like beating a dead horse. You should change your name to Mark Ass-hole so people are not so bewildered about your behavior when they encounter you and when the comment is made: "there goes a real ass-hole" about you, it has a double meaning.

I should stop being surprised at your stupidity since, after all, you did announce to everyone here that you slept with your current bride in the first 15 minutes of meeting her. Now you are going to involve her in your fights and spew on the board. It's hard to believe that you're so stupid. Any sensible person would enjoy family life and stay away from this crap, but you seem to want to complicate your life and the relationship with your wife. You are going to regret involving her in this board, maybe not now, but down the road when your marriage falls apart because of your stupid selfish ego. She is going to look at all you post and consider you to be a complete jerk.

The ONLY reason you are posting here now is because of your EGO, not that you give a crap about this board. You just want to flaunt your new bride and take jabs at people. The smartest thing you could is to stay as far away from PL as possible and keep your new wife away from here also. Just forget that this place exists and do something better with your time. Your presence here is alway going to start a fight and your wife will be drawn into it also.

But, of course, you want to be a stupid selfish egotistical jerk ass-hole and keep posting here. It's your life and your marriage, lets see how much you can screw it up by posting on PL.

-blm

... in response to hey azzhole..., posted by BarryM on Jan 10, 2003

Always wonderful to hear from the devout Russian Orthodox...

And... what a surprise! You are attacking me and sticking up for Jack.

BTW, Victoria is the reason I still post.

She read all the things that you (and others wrote) about her, and about me, and she said: "You cannot let them write the ending to our story."

So, I stuck around. For how long, I don't know. I haven't set a timetable.

Am I flaunting my wife in front of everyone?

No, Barry.

Most of the guys on here are happy for us. Just as I am happy for them.

I think Ken and Lena are a wonderful couple. Karl's wife and mine have chatted, and we look forward to getting together sometime. I love to hear all of the cool things that are happening in Paradise with Stan B and his wife. I even enjoy reading Oscar's fiance's ironing of the sheets story, and their kid's first day in school

I don't consider any of these "flaunting." I am happy that they all found what they were looking for.

It is only the miserable losers who were unable to succeed in this venture (and some of those who have never even had the nerve to try...) who consider it flaunting when I say:

I married a wonderful woman, and we are very happy together.

MOST of the men nod and say: "Good... that's what this is all about..."

Only you and your pals get bitter and apoplectic

... in response to hey azzhole..., posted by BarryM on Jan 10, 2003

My opinion, it's this guy.  geesh.  get a life.

... in response to As sensible as I can be, posted by MarkInTx on Jan 10, 2003

"If you have some actual topic that you would like to debate "

MarkinTex, there are several items I would like to debate with you!  However, as you followed this question with a "such as this topic", "to debate this would be senseless", "at the end of the debate you will still think this, and backed up Moe, Larry and probably Curley", "does anyone possibly believe there is one thing I could say that would make you say this", makes me think you want to limit any such debate to a certain area or subject.

Which of the following could I debate you on; (1) Whose understanding of the word banned is what counts, yours or Patrick's? (2)  Your statistics reflecting that WOVO is more effective than WMVM, (3) Your opinion on statistics, (4) Factual proof reflecting women you respond quickly to ads are usually scammers. (5) How the average man writing several ladies will not be able to draw the intimacy thru letters that a man writing only one woman can. (6) Kiev's street life. (7) When did Patrick refer to my behavior in the words that you quoted him as saying "childish". (8) How after I replied to MarkH only after he mentioned my name, do you consider I was unable to let my dispute with him go. (9) The names of the agency owners you know that I have run off. (10) The agencies I have admitted to have an interest in. (11) The other person who seem to have vanished when I was banned. (12) The requirements I ask of serious men who seek a good Russian woman. (13) The evidence you have to prove Jacks new identity. (14) The number of newspapers my clients ads are located in when he runs a personal ad. (15) The extent of help and guidance I offered BarryM......No, scratch that one. I will not be able to discuss such personal information about a client. (15) At what point does one lose faith in an individual who makes certain claims and does not do them. (16) Which is the best clinic in Kiev to recommend for ladies exam's (based on service, not price). (17) In our various opinions what constitutes a good Russian woman and a bad Russian woman. (18) In our various opinions what would constitute a woman of good morals compared to bad morals. (19) The amount of time you would recommend in taking to get to know your newly arrived fiancée before getting married. (20) The importance of $500, or $2000, as it relates to the time needed in deciding if a person is the one you want to spend the rest of your life with. (21) Who would be most knowledgeable, someone doing something once, or someone involved with doing something 50 times. (22) The amount of money it takes for one to do business with FD. (23) Since you know the system I expect guys to follow, I would like to debate this with you. (24) Recommending agencies who show photos of eligible ladies on there first page who are scammers. (25) Recommending sites that show nude photos of ladies seeking a foreign husband. (26) How to write an effective personal ad with 25 words or less. (27) Planet Love's two most inane poster's. (28) Whose opinion decides inane and what are the requirements this person has set forth in defining inane. (29) What qualifies someone in calling another individual dummy. (30) What does it take for someone to have as you classify "a mentor". (31) How Planet Love is considered a commercial Internet site. (32) Commercials posted by FD on Planet Love. (33) Your constant badgering of Oscar. (34) How being married to a Russian woman is no different than being married to an American woman. But, yet, (35) Why you wouldn't want to eat at home for American woman, but you do so with Russian woman. (36) The efficiency of Delta airlines over LOT on international flights. (37) Your source as to they hire inferior pilots. (38) The much higher percentage of beautiful women in Dallas over Kiev. (39) Why it is ok to lie to Russian ladies in letters. (40) A good price for good flat in the center of Kiev. (41) The advisability of taking a viagra pill just before meeting your Russian woman for the very first time. (42) Should a man change clothes, shower, shave before meeting his special lady after his long trip.

I have several more items of interest I would like to debate you on but first let's see from this group of questions you might have interest in debating.

... in response to Re: As sensible as I can be, posted by Jack on Jan 10, 2003

can you keep track of this stuff-you are the most amazing person in the WORLD. Again I am blown away. Please send me another 'Honest" Jack Poster for my room-the other has worn a little from my pillow!
xoxoxoxoxoxo
Joe
;-)

... in response to how in the world........, posted by yoe on Jan 10, 2003

hummmmmph, I wonder if you are spending enough time with the wife?

... in response to As sensible as I can be, posted by MarkInTx on Jan 10, 2003

We may all have our moments but I think it highly unlikely that your wife would be treated rudely here by anyone..  Just my opinion.

... in response to Mark-, posted by Oscar on Jan 10, 2003

If Patrick gives her an account... we shall see.

But, I don't know about you... but the threat to:

"...blow her little charade outta the water. lol...go ahead, make my day..."

Would seem to indicate that at least one person on here intends to treat her rudely...

... in response to Re: Mark-, posted by MarkInTx on Jan 10, 2003

I would personally be surprised if that happened...

... in response to Re: Re: Mark-, posted by Oscar on Jan 10, 2003

If Patrick gives her an account, I guess we'll see. It seems odd to me that days have passed, and Patrick hasn't responded... I hope its just because he's busy...

BTW, why don't you ask your buddy why he has ignored my offer to meet him and buy him a beer.

Victoria really wants a chance to look her accuser in the eye. I think that's fair, don't you?

Seems to me that a real man would be willing to do that, don't you think?

I mean, you and I have had our differences, but if I were going through your town and you said to me: "Hey Mark, let's sit down and talk, maybe have a couple of beers..." I would do it.

You would, too... wouldn't you?

Seems to me that any real man would.

Don't you think?

I wonder if there is a reason he doesn't want to face her after calling her a liar, person of bad character, and such?

Surely the great LP isn't afraid of a woman... is he?

I mean... if he wants to blow the lid off of her little charade... seems to me that he would love the chance. And, seems to me that if Victoria were lying that the last thing she would want to do would be to have this  man expose her secret in front of her husband.

But here we are... she wants to meet him. And he's ducking.

Gee... wonder why that is...?

... in response to Stay tuned, posted by MarkInTx on Jan 11, 2003

Yes, I would be able to sit down and talk, but everyone is different and I couldn't really blame someone if they didn't want to, with as much crap as is often flying around here.  I know that one poster here got hold of my email address and I had to shut it down because of his harrassment, so I can understand some guys not wanting to get more personal or reveal more info about themselves.  It's an individual thing.

And with LP, I may have missed something but I thought all he had said was that he had "met" your wife, certainly not a terrible thing from what I can see.. But that's between you guys.

I don't however, understand why you would want your wife reading or participating on this board.  I would think she would much prefer a RW site, not one where you are attacking others and being attacked (like more than a few of us).  There are rarely ever any RW who post here and I feel that's a shame, but it is what it is.  I would not want my fiance on here, but then she would probably take one look and just laugh at the whole thing (including me) and ask me why I would waste my time with such things! LOL!  
We should probably get all out fiance/wives on their own board if Patrick could make one for them..  I think that would be much better, and I'm sure it would be more civilized!  ;-)

... in response to Re: Stay tuned, posted by Oscar on Jan 12, 2003

Well, it certainly goes into the gutter around here often.

I originally showed Victoria this because she asked me why I was writing up our experiences in Warsaw.

She has a much healthier attitude towards all of this than I expected. She is a little amused by it all. And, as I wrote to BarryM above, she felt that if I started to tell our story on here, that it was important that people know that the ending was and is a happy one.

As for the whoe the LP thing, it kind of steam-rolled.

I honestly think it just started because he REALLY doesn't like me, and didn't like the fact that I found someone. He wanted to tell me -- as he did Stan -- just wait, it won't work for you... but he wanted to make it even stronger.

The fact that Victoria is from Kherson, gave him the perfect opportunity, so he said that he met her. And he did it in a way that made it seem like it was more than just a casual lunch. His reference was that I was not like the enterprise, meaning the "boldly go where no man has gone before", part. I read that as him implying that he had slept with her. And I was not alone in that interpretation. ... even Greg aka theSearch thought so, and made a post to the effect that LP's comment was in extremely bad taste... Maybe it is just when I grew up, but I've heard guys use that "star trek" reference before, and it always carried a sexual connotation to it.

When confronted about his comment, he backed off. He said... MAYBE he met her.

Then he came back later and said that he had met her. This is a consistent pattern. Plausible deniability is definitely his MO.

So, he tried to say he was only pointing out that I was an insecure jerk because I couldn't handle the fact that maybe he had met her first.

My stand all along was that I really didn't care WHO she met before me. Why should I? It isn't like I have never met anyone before. She's 31 years old, gorgeous, and has a child. Since there was no star over Kherson and three wise men didn't show up there seeking a child in swaddling clothes... I was pretty sure that she had met people before. And even had sex before me.

Who she met before me, I didn't care about. Still don't.

However, she told me that she had never met an American before. I believed her (for several reasons -- not least of which that she didn't speak English before she met me).

When I said that I chose to believe Victoria -- whom I knew very well, in lieu of LP, whom I knew hardly at all (but that which I DID know caused me to mistrust him...) He told me I was an insecure jerk, and I was in for trouble. This was the start of the "she's a bad one and you're going to wish you had listened" theme...

That was the last I read of him. Others would write me from time to time and tell me of things he said. (Why, I don't know.)

Then LP "called out" BrianN and told him that he had incontrovertible evidence that he had met Victoria. He would tell him something that would "put a stake in" my heart. Brian wrote him, apparently, several times. LP -- typical to the  way he works -- would hint about things, and then back off of them. Never was any evidence produced.

But he HINTED at all kinds of outlandish things.

He even hinted that he had delayed my INS approval by a few weeks... which is incredibly pathetic. Brian told the board about that in a thread that got deleted. (Unfortunately, it was in a name-calling firefight, and Patrick deleted the whole thread. It was a really funny post though... too bad...)

Brian is now in Siberia, btw, or he could corroborate all of this. He writes me from time to time, which is how I know most of this. (He is with his fiance, btw. Hats off to him...he's there for 6 months...)

Anyway, LP's innuendos worked. Before long I had others picking up the thread. Globetrotter told me to get on my knees and beg LP to tell me what he knew... BarryM, Jack (and even you) took what he said for truth.

LP was probably laughing his arse off over it. His tactics worked. He never really said anything directly... but everyone picked up on the hints, and before long it became accepted by some that: LP had met Victoria, and passed her over because of something he saw in her... and that this meant I was in for trouble eventually. LP had found something in her character that I had missed. He passed her over, and moved on to better things.

See how that works? Without actually saying anything that he couldn't deny, he was able to get his story out which said (by implication) he was a better man, and his woman was a better woman...

He really is good at what he does, I will give him that.

Not that he really cares about Victoria one way or the other, mind you. But in order for him to keep his "legend" going it is important that others who succeeded where he failed only manage to do so by accepting lesser women, and of course, that means that eventually their marriages will end in divorce.

This gives him about a three year window to keep telling everyone his schtick. Unfortunately, every month that goes by StanB keeps becoming a bigger and bigger problem.

You weren't around here when he predicted doom and gloom for Stan... exactly like he is for me. Oh, and by the way, he also told KenC that Lena was too young and would eventually leave him.

Ken has reached a point where it is getting harder and harder to say that Lena just married him for a green card. How unfortunate...

Stan is getting there, too.

It will be a couple of years before I get there.

But if these success stories keep mounting up... where in the world will that leave LP?

Two years from now, Stan will have been married for years, KenC will be past the five year mark, and Victoria will have her green card -- and she'll still be with me.

It gets harder and harder to say that all of these men are just stupid idiots who have approached this all wrong... or that they were lucky... or that they should have listened to the wise one who told them that this would never work.

Every day that passes, he draws nearer and nearer to insignificance.

Did he ever offer "good advice?" Well many people on here say that he did... so I'll yield that point. I always thought the bad outweighed the good.

But... in any event... what the hell is he doing here now?

He tried and failed at this. He brought a woman over, and sent her back before 90 days were up. He is (supposedly) happily involved with a wonderful Asian-American woman.

He's not interested in Russian women. He isn't married to one, and (according to him) never will be.

Why is LP here?

The forum jumped all over DavidSD for hs recent posts. But, in actuality, they were a lot more relevant. If DavidSD's stores were true, he is still at the tail-end of a relationship to an RW. So, from that perspective, at least his comments were relevant.

What does a man who isn't searcing, and isn't in a relationship with an RW, doing here? How are ANY of his posts actually relevant? And if they are... why wasn't DavidSD's?

Anyway... I've rambled on enough. It's late and my ears are still ringing from the club's music. But I wanted to try to put this in perpective.

FWIW

... in response to Of course, posted by MarkInTx on Jan 9, 2003

just because one may pick their butt does not make them a proctologist....
So if you do not have anything nice to say monkey-boy...
Joe
ps. hahahaha

... in response to 'some' people could stop posting and ..., posted by yoe on Jan 9, 2003

Oh my yoe. KenC got me chuckling to myself a day or two ago. Now you today. Monkey-boy, how funny and fitting.