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Title: reality
Post by: Lori on March 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
Thai's arrival was wonderful.Yesterday we went and applied for his social security card and for our marrage licence.
I tried to prepare myself for alot of things we would have to deal with. I did not realize how homesick he would be. For one thing there are alot of problems in his family right now. His mother is very ill. Also his sister who had an operation last year, now needs another one. He was talking with his sister yesterday morning(who lived here in America). He started to cry and then cry very hard. My heart sank. Also last night he called back to vietnam and was crying for hours. I ask him if he is not happy hear. And he said when he was in vietnam he missed me so much. But now he is in America he misses his family. I told me maybe he can not be happy without his family. And he said it is O.K. because he has me.
What can I say. I CAN NOT stand it!!!. I am crying as I write this. I feel like he is now obligated to stay here even if he is miserable. I Don't weant to be the cause of someones misery. I feel so guilty that there is nothing I can do now to ease his pain. I know it is only the second day and maybe he will come around. It's hard for me to see someone I love in so much pain. You know I saw the video to Thai's fathers funeral. He did not shed a tear. I guess that is why I am so worried, because I think it takes alot to make him cry.
I know he made the choice to come here. Any of you old timers gone through this? Did your wives come around?
I am not giving up , so please don't assume that. I guess I am just dumbfounded . Reality hit me like a ton of bricks and I just don't know how to handle it.
My advise to any newbies out there is to remove those rose colored glasses and face the reality as to what it REALLY is that we are asking these people to do. And that is to leave behind their whole world, their whole existance to be with us. If that is not an ultimate sacrifice I don't know what is...Lori


Title: Going through it...
Post by: Dave H on March 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to reality, posted by Lori on Mar 14, 2002

Hi Lori and Thai,

I have to agree with what everyone else has said. Lori, the best thing for now is to give lots of love and have plenty of patience. When he cries or if he becomes angry or cold, try not to take it personal, you are not to blame. Thai loves you and it was ultimately his decision to join you in the US. Try not to become absorbed in his grief, but be strong and supportive...easier said than done. His family in the US will probably be able to help a great deal. At the moment, I’m sure he can express his feelings better in his own language and with people of his own culture. Keep busy with small things and don’t overwhelm him by trying to do too much too soon or plan grand schemes (large parties, meeting everyone, Disney World…) until he is more adjusted and ready.  America is a huge intimidating country, with a strange culture. We can be loud and large, and also quite funny looking. ;o)) A quiet walk in the park or country can sometimes work wonders. Books, movies, puzzles, trips to an Asian store, picnics and bicycle rides are just a few of the things that might help...whatever he is fond of. I usually convince my wife to walk with me (I need the exercise) each night, even though she doesn’t always feel like it. We end up having a nice conversation and she feels much better when we return. After a short while, Thai will improve greatly. He will go into what has been called the “Honeymoon period” around here. Everything becomes interesting and exciting for a few months. There may be  periods of homesickness, but usally short and not so consuming. Then the homesickness sets in again, although probably not as intense as what you are experiencing right now.  That’s where my wife is at the moment. With her it is usually not so apparent on the surface, but revealed from her lack of interest in things. Sometimes the tears will come. I must say that she has done much better than I would have. Having her sister nearby and a trip planned to see her family in the Philippines in a few months, has also helped lift her spirits. Most people seem to take up to two years before they do really well. A job to occupy some of Thai’s time (especially when you are working) may prove to be very helpful.

Stay strong and good luck,

Dave H.



Title: Re
Post by: Lori on March 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Going through it..., posted by Dave H on Mar 14, 2002

I think if we knew eachother in real life, Dave, You'd be like a bother to me---older brother !!


Title: *S*
Post by: Dave H on March 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re, posted by Lori on Mar 16, 2002

Hi Lori,

Thanks! That's an honor! And boy would I have fun teasing you. ;o))

Keep up the good work, you're doing fine! Love, patience, and communication...and whatever else you can think of. Tell Thai that I said hi. At first, whenever my wife would cry or become upset...I thought it was something that I did. Now I just kindly smile at her and hold her gently.

Dave H.



Title: Dave ...
Post by: Jeff S on March 15, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Going through it..., posted by Dave H on Mar 14, 2002

.. bicyle rides and walks in the park are fine for us Floridians and Californians, but Lori lives in the the northern central part of the US - Remember what Michigan was like in March? It's gotta be tough on a guy from the tropics.

-- Jeff S.



Title: Re: Dave ...
Post by: Lori on March 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Dave ..., posted by Jeff S on Mar 15, 2002

Yes, Thai is a pop-cycle in disguise. The first night here he said he was cold. So I was really nice and turned  the heat up to 75. BIG MISTAKE!! He watched how I did it and a few hours later ,after I really started sweating bad, I realized he had turned up the heat to 90!! We compromised and now the heat sits on 80. He wears long sleaves and sweats and I wear as little as I can *wink*


Title: Oh yah..
Post by: Dave H on March 15, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Dave ..., posted by Jeff S on Mar 15, 2002

You're right Jeff!

ROFL I forgot there's not a whole lot of snow in Vietnam and the mid-west doesn't have much of a monsoon season. :o)) Better to take those walks in the mall.

Dave H.



Title: Oh YEAH! I forgot that one...
Post by: Howard on March 15, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Going through it..., posted by Dave H on Mar 14, 2002


... The Filipino Food Store we found was HUGE!!! in Ayesa's adjustment!  It seemed to make her WAY more comfortable to deal with foods she knew how to cook and that tasted like she expected them to.  Several times I would ask her is she wanted something in particular for dinner--a Hamburger, Spaghetti, Pork Chops, Steak, etc...--only for her to act disinterested.  When I was close to finished making whatever I was, she would start to come around sniffing and end up eating, and liking, whatever I made for me.  I learned quickly, that whether she "Said" she was hungry or not, I certainly would be, if I didn't cook for two :c)  LOL  Little things confused her.  I don't think she knew what I meant at first when I asked her if she wanted me to make a hamburger for her, because she never made one before.  You get them at Jollie Bee or McDonalds and they're not Hamburgers, they're Big Macs or Quarter Pounders, etc...  Little things can be the source of great frustration for her.

Again... we are all pulling for you guys :c)

Keep the Faith :c)

H



Title: Re: Oh YEAH! I forgot that one...
Post by: Lori on March 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Oh YEAH!  I forgot that one..., posted by Howard on Mar 15, 2002

THAI HATES MY COOKING!! Nothing taists as good as it does in Vietnam. But he'll eigther have to learn to cook, or he'll just have tolearn to love it...hehe
There is a vietnamese store here and we went but he did'nt buy much.
He is really having a problem, I think, taking my money.


Title: Also...
Post by: Dave H on March 15, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Oh YEAH!  I forgot that one..., posted by Howard on Mar 15, 2002

Hey H,

Another thing I forgot to mention is my 4 month old niece (brother's daughter). My wife and her sister are having a ball taking care of her. In fact, she is here right now. I sure wish I was a Filipino baby! ;o) It has helped my wife and sister-in-law GREATLY in dealing with the pain of leaving their 5 year old niece (whom my wife was raising) back in the Philippines.

I'm getting ready to go to the Filipino store to buy Chippy and some sort of shrimp chips. I think we're running low on lumpia wrappers. My wife is going to make me some atsara.  Mas sarap! I may have to pick up a San Miguel...or two ;o))

Your faith may very with your mileage...seems like I've been retreaded. ;o))) Faith Once More!

Dave H.



Title: Chippy?
Post by: Ray on March 15, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Also..., posted by Dave H on Mar 15, 2002

You know, they Still have Chippy's on sale at Seafood City at 2 for a dollar. Also, tabos are $.99, but I still haven't found a purple one for you yet.

We've been eating a lot of grilled salmon lately because it's only $.50 a pound for the whole fish. Last week she told the Filipino fish-cutter that he could keep the head, so I guess the wife is starting to become Americanized already :-)

She just loves those fish tacos if you want me to send you my recipe.

Ray



Title: Got it! $.75 :o(
Post by: Dave H on March 15, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Chippy?, posted by Ray on Mar 15, 2002

Hey Ray,

No tabos...Chippy and Roller Coaster $.75 cents each, San Miguel $9.80 for a 12-pack. I wonder if I can trade them a 12-pack of fine Colt 45 malt liquer :oQ. Along with the above items, I bought some bibingka, frozen lumpia (for emergencies), Maxx candy, dried mangoes and pan de sal. My wife will have to do the real shopping. ;o))

Dave H.



Title: Re: Chippy?
Post by: may10 on March 15, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Chippy?, posted by Ray on Mar 15, 2002

Opportunity finally!!!!  *s*

Anyone knows a store in Denver that sells those things you mentioned?



Title: Congratulations May! ...........Sally
Post by: Jimbo on March 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Chippy?, posted by may10 on Mar 15, 2002

I am so happy for you that you found your Mr. right man.  Good thing you didn't give up and lost hope.

Are these guys on the board are invited? (o;o)


Best wishes!

Sally & Jim



Title: Re: Congratulations May! ...........Sally
Post by: may10 on March 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Congratulations May! ...........Sally, posted by Jimbo on Mar 16, 2002

Salamat, Sally.  *s*

Didn't expect this much reaction.....was just glad someone mentioned where  "tabo"  was available.  *grin*  Mahirap kasi hanapin ng isang lalaki na hindi filipino yan....lol.  Nahihirapan na syang maghanap nyan para di na raw ako mahirapan pag-dating dyan. lol

Sorry, guys,  have to say that in Tagalog. Though I know some of your sweeties can very well translate that, it still feels different when posted in english.  

Mea culpa.  ;)



Title: New English
Post by: Ray on March 17, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Congratulations May! ...........Sall..., posted by may10 on Mar 16, 2002

May,

You should be practicing your English now that you will be living in America. I know that your English is excellent, but there are some changes to the language coming soon and you should start preparing for them. This is a new world in which we live and change is inevitable. Europe is already starting the changeover and the U.S. and Canada will be next. I saw this interesting article on the subject recently that will give you an idea of what to expect:

-----
The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the  EU rather than German which was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5 year phase-in plan that would be known as "Euro-English".

In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy.

The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of the "k". This should klear up konfusion and keyboards kan have 1 less letter.

There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f". This will make words like "fotograf" 20% shorter.

In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be ekspekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling.

Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of the silent "e"s in the language is disgraseful, and they should go away. By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v".

During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters. After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi to understand ech ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru! And zen ve vil tak over ze world!
-----

Ray :-)




Title: Re: New English
Post by: may10 on March 17, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to New English, posted by Ray on Mar 17, 2002

Zat is vonderful.  I zank you very much....lol.

Seriously now,  he has started learning Tagalog after some errant txt messages (mine) went to him and he said I should be grateful that his tagalog isn't that great yet....lol.

He has learnt the most important ones, though.....first line he asked to be taught? .... I guess, you can figure  what it was.  *s*



Title: Let me guess...
Post by: Ray on March 17, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: New English, posted by may10 on Mar 17, 2002

Well, May, the first Tagalog phrase I wanted to learn when I first went to the Philippines was "Where's the bathroom?"

Was that it? I can't think of anything more important at the moment... :-)

Ray



Title: Re: Let me guess...
Post by: NoNamePinay on March 17, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Let me guess..., posted by Ray on Mar 17, 2002

Hi May & Ray,
sorry to interrupt you two :) speaking about learning Tagalog language. My husband's first Tagalog phrase that he had learned was;
'Mahal kita'= meaning I love You
but after 5 months spending with me in the Philippines He has learned & picked up a lot of both Visayan & Tagalog words so now every time I talk on the phone with my family or friends He could pick up and understand what I was blabbing about *S* :)

NNP



Title: BINGO!!....n/t
Post by: may10 on March 17, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Let me guess..., posted by NoNamePinay on Mar 17, 2002

*s*.....that's it!


Title: Congratulations!
Post by: Dave H on March 15, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Chippy?, posted by may10 on Mar 15, 2002

Hi May,

*s* I am very happy for you! I find that I can buy some Filipino canned and bottled foods at most Asian stores. One Asian store even sells Chippy, Sarsi, Pop Cola, lumpia and lumpia wrappers. Fortunately, I found a Filipino store a few blocks from my house. I thought it was just another Asian store since it is next to a Chinese restaurant. When I walked in, a big pile of San Miguel greeted me. ;o)) Green mangos are another matter. The Filipino store said they will get some in when they are in season. In the mean time, my wife eats unrippened mangos from South America. OK, but not even close.  

Good Luck!

Dave H.

P.S. Thanks for the congratulatory emails! I switched back to AOL and seldom check my other mail. Sorry for not responding.



Title: Re: Re: Chippy?
Post by: Ray on March 15, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Chippy?, posted by may10 on Mar 15, 2002

Hi May!

Where have you been hiding? Do I detect a long trip in your near future?

I could only find one store in Colorado, in Boulder.

http://www.filipino-americans.com/usa_stores.html

Better be safe and pack your tabo :-)

Ray



Title: congratulations May !
Post by: Windmill Boy on March 17, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Chippy?, posted by Ray on Mar 15, 2002

Congratulations  May

I  am  happy  to hear  that  good  things  are  coming  your way soon.  I  lived  in  colorado  Springs  for  a  year  (1  hour  south  of  Denver)  for  a year  and  Colorado   has  some  of  the  most  beautiful  scenery  in  the  Country  If  you  prefer  the  mountains  like  I  do.

I  hope  you  will  be   able  to  find  an Asian  store  that  will  be  closer  to  you. But  dont  fret  Boulder  is  only  30  - 45  minutes  out  of  downtown  Denver.  It  is  certainly  a  beautiful drive  out  of  Denver  and  towards  the mountains.  Boulder  is  butted  right  up against the  flatirons  rock formation.  Boulder  is  a  fun  and  funky progressive town  to  visit  and  the  views  driving  into  the  mountains  into the  Boulder  canyon  are  very  spectacular.

If  you  and  Barry  have  the  chance  to  sight  see on  you  first  visit  and  can  go  south  to  Colorado  Springs  Visit  the  "Garden  of  the  Gods"  park  that  is  also  very  interesting  to  see.


I  am  happy  to  see  that  you  have  found  your new  sense  of  bliss  and  things  can  only  get  better  for  both of  you!

Windmill Boy



Title: Re: congratulations May !
Post by: may10 on March 17, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to congratulations  May !, posted by Windmill Boy on Mar 17, 2002

thank you so much.

I think God truly decides for us in HIS time.  I love the mountains....nature.  I am not one for the city lights and all that.  Baguio and Tagaytay has always been my escape from Manila and I am told Colorado is such a place.

But, you know what?  I think I'd fly anywhere...live anywhere just as long as Barry and I will be together.  *s*

Now, it's my turn to lookout when your time comes.  *s*

Japan sure is beautiful, but, I think you know that.  *grin*




Title: Re: Re: congratulations May !
Post by: Windmill Boy on March 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: congratulations  May !, posted by may10 on Mar 17, 2002

Thanks  May,  for  your  encouragement!

I  have  not  been  to  Japan yet so  far.  But  I  am  happy  to  say that  "The Japan Fund" is growing due  to  some  overtime  that  I  have  been  getting  at  work.  I  figure right  now  I have enough  to  fly  there  and  back  If  I  get  a  good  off  season price  next fall / winter out  of  LA.  I  am  about  1/7  of  the  way  there.

Windmill  Boy



Title: Re: Re: Re: Chippy?
Post by: may10 on March 15, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Chippy?, posted by Ray on Mar 15, 2002

*grin* ......... i have been peeping in on you guys every now and then.  

And yes,  in about 4 months, with God's help (and the Embassy's.....hehehe), I will be taking that long trip to my new home.  *smile*

 



Title: Wow!
Post by: Ray on March 15, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Re: Chippy?, posted by may10 on Mar 15, 2002

Sounds like some lucky guy struck it rich! Is this a fiancée visa or are you already married now? You’ve got to tell us all about it.

I wish you mucho happiness in your new home May!

Ray



Title: Re: Wow!......Ray......Dave
Post by: may10 on March 15, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Wow!, posted by Ray on Mar 15, 2002

On the contrary,  I (!!!!)  am the LUCKY/FORTUNATE/BLESSED one for having Barry in my heart and in my life now.  *s*

Now, you two, behave and leave me in peace, pls..  *s*



Title: Great News, May..
Post by: Jeff S on March 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Wow!......Ray......Dave, posted by may10 on Mar 15, 2002


Denver is a fun town, but can be cold. I lived there for some time and have benn there any times on business. It used to be pretty devoid of any Asian food stores except one small Japanese store, but I haven't investigated it much of late. Please keep us posted as the time nears.

-- Jeff S.



Title: Re: Great News, May..
Post by: may10 on March 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Great News, May.., posted by Jeff S on Mar 16, 2002

I know about the cold.......brrrrrrr...but have also been reassured of a different kind of warmth no fire can equal.

Jeff, my promise stands....you'll have first hot at our pictures.  *s*



Title: ooopppppssssss,,,,,,,,,,
Post by: may10 on March 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Great News, May.., posted by may10 on Mar 16, 2002

first  Shot .....lol

Sorry.......feeling warm here.  *grin*



Title: Can't wait! (n/t)
Post by: Jeff S on March 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to ooopppppssssss,,,,,,,,,,, posted by may10 on Mar 16, 2002

.


Title: Congratulations!!! *S*
Post by: Dave H on March 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Wow!......Ray......Dave, posted by may10 on Mar 15, 2002

Hi May and Barry,

OK...You're both blessed! *s* I will leave you in peace. *s*

Dave H.



Title: Re: Congratulations!!! *S*
Post by: may10 on March 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Congratulations!!! *S*, posted by Dave H on Mar 16, 2002

Thanks.  *s*

I now sing, Dave........just one tone.....BARRYtone.  *grin*



Title: did I miss something?
Post by: Lori on March 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Wow!......Ray......Dave, posted by may10 on Mar 15, 2002

Are wedding bells in the future for you may?
Just being nosey---you deserve all the happiness life has to offer!!


Title: Re: did I miss something?
Post by: may10 on March 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to did I miss something?, posted by Lori on Mar 16, 2002

yes.  *s*

I know that you know how it feels to finally find that love you have waited and prayed for all your life.

I have also read up on the recent developments with you and Thai.  Keep the faith, Lori.  Love is all that matters.  *smile*



Title: O.K.
Post by: Ray on March 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Wow!......Ray......Dave, posted by may10 on Mar 15, 2002

I guess that's all the info we're going to get. We'll leave you in peace now :-)

I'm happy for you May!

Ray



Title: Re: O.K.
Post by: may10 on March 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to O.K., posted by Ray on Mar 16, 2002

*s*.......thank you, kind sir.

All I can say is.......now, I know why I waited and never compromised what I believed love is. *s*



Title: Re: Re: Wow!......Ray......Dave
Post by: Humabdos on March 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Wow!......Ray......Dave, posted by may10 on Mar 15, 2002

Wow May! Denver? Nice place. It's not that far from Oregon you better come see me on your way to Carr's place. Thanks again for the books I really enjoyed reading them. Is Mica coming too?

Hum



Title: Re: Re: Re: Wow!......Ray......Dave
Post by: may10 on March 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Wow!......Ray......Dave, posted by Humabdos on Mar 16, 2002

Thanks but friends and even family take a back seat from now on.  *s*

Barry comes first and foremost.  *s*



Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wow!......Ray......Dave
Post by: Humabdos on March 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Re: Re: Wow!......Ray......Dave, posted by may10 on Mar 16, 2002

How about some details May? Have you ever met this guy in person?  How did you meet him? ect... Any chance he is Barry Manilow the singer? *S*  Humabdos


Title: ?
Post by: Dave H on March 15, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Wow!, posted by Ray on Mar 15, 2002

May,

Stop teasing us! Come on...out with it! *s*

Dave H.



Title: Re: ?
Post by: rgg on March 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to ?, posted by Dave H on Mar 15, 2002


May,

Got to get out of my lurk mode, I'm all curious about who this lucky guy is.  We're all ready to listen to your story, May.  Will you be a June Bride?  Happy to learn that you have finally found your TL ;-)

Roy and Celia



Title: Re: Re: ?
Post by: may10 on March 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: ?, posted by rgg on Mar 16, 2002

I will leave it to my honey to tell our story....one day soon.  *s*

He's more of a "feeling" person than I am so I know that he can do more justice to our love story.  

Glad to know I can make you come out of hiding.....hehehe.



Title: Wait a minute....
Post by: Mars on March 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to reality, posted by Lori on Mar 14, 2002

.....I thought he had family up the street from you. Isn't that how you met him? Why doesn't he visit them to ease his feelings? I'd take him over there and hang out awhile.


Title: Re: Wait a minute....
Post by: Lori on March 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Wait a minute...., posted by Mars on Mar 14, 2002

Yeah, I am taking him over there alot. He is coming around now. Time is what it takes, and I have all the time in the world.


Title: Re: reality
Post by: jim in the pi on March 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to reality, posted by Lori on Mar 14, 2002

lori,
i think we all go thru times of homesickness, but i dont mean to throw water on a fire, but it seems like he is in pretty bad shape. if his sister is in the states, is that not comfort to him, that he will be able to see her?
also does he have cold feet about the marriage??
maybe he has the trip over here, and now is wondering why marriage?
there are many veit communities in america, just like filipino. it would not be hard for him to disapear into one, and stay here. the ins does't seem to keep up with expired visa's?
i hope the best for you both, maybe he will come around.
the 3-4 j's


Title: Re: reality
Post by: Bear on March 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to reality, posted by Lori on Mar 14, 2002

I don't think I give Honey much of a chance to be homesick or lonely because I spend as much time with her as I can and I want her to see and do all the things I like about where I from.  When she is home by herself she has manages to chat, build web pages and so forth in addition to her daily functions.  Plus there have been some Filipinas local who have been in contact.  MOF, we have a get together this weekend before our trip to Atlanta where she is going to spend a lot of time with Vilma and a few other Filipinas in Atlanta and visiting from out of town.

But She does cry.  I think its mainly because she was so "belittled" by so many people she was close to she has a hard time believing the "ego building" I praise her with constantly.  And I think she has some serious hormone imbalance at that time of the month.

I think people forget that men can cry too.  I think its not unnatural that he is lonely or scared or worried or misses home or whatever.  I think he does need you to be there for him and let him know what ever his need is you'll provide it.  I know you are concern but it really isn't about you at this point, stick with him and things hopefully will approve.

Bear and Honey



Title: Re: reality
Post by: kevin on March 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to reality, posted by Lori on Mar 14, 2002

I don't know what Thai's sense of humor is.  But, I'd like to recommend plugging "Mr. Methane" into the search engine and visiting his site.  Perhaps read the entries in his guest book and it would be a fun English reading exercise too.  You might not only help to cheer him, but have him choking with laughter too.  The best remedy to combat the blues.

- Kevin



Title: Howard gives good advice...
Post by: Ray on March 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to reality, posted by Lori on Mar 14, 2002

Keep him very busy. Drag him around town to all the tourist spots, shopping malls, whatever, so he doesn't have time to feel lonely. It works!

Maybe a part-time job would help him take his mind off of home. Also, make him laugh any way you can and as often as you can. You can do it Lori. Maybe Dave H could help you with some material? :-)

Ray




Title: Material?...
Post by: Howard on March 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Howard gives good advice..., posted by Ray on Mar 14, 2002

... You mean those Purple G-String pics floating around the internet?  LOL  Was THAT the kind of material you were thinking of?  LOL

H



Title: Re: Material?...
Post by: Lori on March 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Material?..., posted by Howard on Mar 14, 2002

Talk about culture shock!!! I think the purple g-string would put him right over the edge!! haha


Title: Re: Material?...
Post by: Ray on March 15, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Material?..., posted by Howard on Mar 14, 2002

Well Howard, that's not exactly the kind of material I had in mind... ROFL!


Title: Howard's Right!
Post by: Dave H on March 15, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: Material?..., posted by Ray on Mar 15, 2002

Ray,

Maybe I should jump in my car and head to Lori and Thai's place. Me "table topping" in my pruple G-string should clear away those tears of saddness and relace them with tears of laughter. It works for my wife. Of course, I might freeze my azz off up there! ;o))

Dave H.



Title: Oh! Oh! Must claw out eyes!
Post by: Bob S on March 15, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Howard's Right!, posted by Dave H on Mar 15, 2002

Instead of torturing us with that mental image, maybe you can organize a road trip to bring Lori and Thai out here to Little Saigon in Westminster, CA ( http://www.beachcalifornia.com/saigon.html ) for a week to let him more slowly and comfortably adjust to life in crazy America.
Maybe it would give him courage to know that there are literally hundreds of thousands of people just like him who went through that overwhelming feeling of culture shock and isolation from all that is familiar just like what he is going through now.


Title: Re: Oh! Oh! Must claw out eyes!
Post by: Lori on March 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Oh! Oh! Must claw out eyes!, posted by Bob S on Mar 15, 2002

I will go to little saigon before I die!!


Title: The Full Monty!
Post by: Dave H on March 15, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Oh! Oh! Must claw out eyes!, posted by Bob S on Mar 15, 2002

Hey Bob,

To clarify that mental image a little more, just watch the movie "The Full Monty" and focus on Dave. That would be pretty close. ;o)))

I like your Little Saigon road trip idea. :o)

Dancin' Dave H.



Title: I think I'm gonna be ILL! LOL n/t
Post by: Howard on March 15, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to The Full Monty!, posted by Dave H on Mar 15, 2002

nm


Title: Nite nite...sweet dreams... ;o)))
Post by: Dave H on March 15, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to I think I'm gonna be ILL!  LOL n/t, posted by Howard on Mar 15, 2002

Hi H,

It's getting late...the wife is working. I have to go practice my moves in the mirror before I go to bed. ;o))) Have to be ready for tomorrow. Filipinas seem to like the song "I'm Horny" by Vinyl. Great tune to preform for the ladies to! Although most Filipinas seem think it's about horns growing out of your head. =:o)))

Dave H.



Title: ROFL!
Post by: Ray on March 15, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Howard's Right!, posted by Dave H on Mar 15, 2002

Dave, didn't you mention that you were looking for a part time job? I think you just found it! :-)

Ray



Title: Re: reality
Post by: Howard on March 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to reality, posted by Lori on Mar 14, 2002

Lor,

My heart really goes out to you and Thai.  I remember all too well going through what you are now.  In my situation, it went on for about a week before it seemed to lessen and then eventually disappear over the course of about six weeks.  Keeping busy--with the wedding plans, etc...--is very helpful and diverts attention elsewhere.  I would bring friends and family over a few at a time, so that she wouldn't be overwhelmed AND so that I could schedule several little events, instead of one or two huge ones.  Another thing that helped was that I kept a close eye on who Ayesa seemed to warm up to.  There is NO way of knowing ahead of time who will strike a cord with Thai, but when you find someone that does--hopefully it is someone you LIKE being around :c)--make sure to invite that person to the rest of these meet and greets.  It will give him a sense of "knowing" someone and make him feel less like a stranger.  There isn't a whole lot else you can do, except to be the caring person that you are.  Just be patient and try not to take it personally, I doubt any of it's because of you.  It's just like everyone is saying, it's homesickness and culture shock.

I will keep you and Thai in my thoughts!  I wish you guys the BEST!

Keep the Faith

H



Title: Re: reality
Post by: The Walker on March 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to reality, posted by Lori on Mar 14, 2002

Lori, do not give up. Even with my being 40 and having traveled internationally including to the USA and loving Don about as much as you can love a man it hit me pretty hard too. Asians are not as independent as Americans we are still a familial society. I cried off and on when I thought Don would not see me doing it. My mother is older and I still sometimes worry about her. I tried to get her to come and stay with us but she will not. You give up a lot when you leave your family and travel half way around the world to another land to live. A lot of emotion. Filipinas get used to it. They often become OCW workers in Hong Kong and may not see home and their children for years at a time. But it is something your man will have to learn to deal with. I do not remember, is he young? If so a certain lack of maturity, or really worldliness, comes into play as well. He is a stranger in a strange land. Everyone admires America but when you first arrive it can easily overwhelm you. My darling calls it culture shock which I think is a pretty good description for the feelings. America is so big and so open and so different in climate and so busy and so noisy and yet at times so quiet. America has grocery stores bigger than most factories back in Vietnam. Row after endless row of so many sorts of foods under bright flourescent light and tile floor so clean it looks like a hospital. And you know none of the foods, the prices mean nothing you have no grasp of the value of a dollar in America, you may not be able to read the language. Remember most Asians have a secret inferiority complex about America. My love says this is especially true of the French too but I think he is just down on the French for some reason. It is like being dropped off an alien spaceship on another world where the people look somewhat like you but everything else is different. The technology is overwhelming too. Everyone driving automobiles that a person would kill for back home in most cases. But give him time and he will adjust. Being woman to woman you surely know how to help that along by giving him something else to think about :). Men are easily distracted that way, too.

-VICKY



Title: Vicky, you give good advice!
Post by: SteveG on March 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: reality, posted by The Walker on Mar 14, 2002

Vicky,
  The suggestion in your last sentence would sure cure all my problems!  LOL
                     SteveG


Title: Re: Re: reality
Post by: Ray on March 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: reality, posted by The Walker on Mar 14, 2002

Yes, I guess we men are easily distracted that way (LOL!). Good advice Vicky! It's good to see you back...

Ray



Title: Re: reality
Post by: Stephen on March 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to reality, posted by Lori on Mar 14, 2002

You make a good point here.

To him....this is a STRANGE, new country.  When people talk funny sounds come out of their mouth.  It's different and he wonders where he fits in.  HE'S ALSO SCARED, i'll bet.  I know I sure would be scared in such a strange new enviroment.

Also....some people talk about how these people just can't wait to get to America any way they can.  For some, that's true.  But for others they prefer "home" and loved one.

I know that if something happened to me Tess would be on a plane back to the Phils.  She has no desire to become a US citizen.  She's very satisfied with being a Philipino.

Hand in there, Lori.

Stephen



Title: Re: reality
Post by: joemc on March 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to reality, posted by Lori on Mar 14, 2002

Hi Lori,
      I went thur this same process, with my wife,and she
      has family members in the states. Asians are very
      close knit family. Over the years I have had my
      father in law and mother live me from the P.I. live with me.
      Gee matter in fact now. I have my sister in law
      living with me on a tourist visa. After twenty
      years of marriage she still cries. I have not
      figured that one out yet. maybe her happiness or my
      ungliness.  Just keep the faith, maybe it's time
      sit down and eat some good veitnamese soup.


Title: Right!
Post by: Jeff S on March 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Re: reality, posted by joemc on Mar 14, 2002


There are few problems that don't seem smaller after a big bowl of hot, steaming pho.

-- Jeff S



Title: Hang in there Lor.
Post by: Jeff S on March 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to reality, posted by Lori on Mar 14, 2002


He'll pull through. As everyone else has said, it's fairly normal. Try to keep him as busy as possible orienting him to your world. Remember, it's VERY foreign to him and I'm sure he's eager to explore. Men are probably more easily distracted by these kinds of activities than women.

About YOU though. Keep your chin up, be sympathetic but strong. You haven't done anything wrong. Rest assured that ten years from now you both will look back on this time and laugh, maybe even reminisce fondly. You have to be his anchor since his world is upside down. Keep things as light and fun as you can. He'll love you for it in the morning. Now if your both fall apart you may add gasoline to the fire.

Hey, take a deep breath and relax. It's only been two days!

-- Jeff S.



Title: Re: Jeff
Post by: Lori on March 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to Hang in there Lor., posted by Jeff S on Mar 14, 2002

I will always listen to what you have to say. I think you are a very wise man.


Title: Re: reality
Post by: Febtember on March 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to reality, posted by Lori on Mar 14, 2002

I feel sorry to hear about that.Before I came here I always thought about always crying because of homesickness.I always hear that to somebody,it's too hard to bear homesickness it slowly kill you.I experience that when I first separated from my Mom when I move to Davao City but it take one week only then slowly I realize I'm really too far from her.Then after that I enjoy my life being independent,being alone for 2 years.
The last time I bid farewell to my family I told myself not to shead tears and warn them not to.And I'm made it.My hubby so much worry about me that he thought that I be very miserable living here in countryside.But when I arrive here all what I thought before not true.I'm happy as a clown and it's very different world for me.I really enjoy it so much.
I never feel homesickness part of it I keep calling my mom and besides I been independent since they send me to davao and learn to live my life alone and enjoy life.
Don't worry about Thai surely after 1 or 2 weeks he can adjust here.Maybe it's his first time being far apart from his family.My friend and My nieghbor in Philippines did the same when she arrived in australia.She keep crying everyday because she feel homesickness.I keep sending her e-mail and give her some advise,sometime I call her once a week and I'm so glad now she's start to like her new place.There's a point in her life that she tell me that maybe she will just give up her fiancee and go home in P.I but I give her long e-mail of advise and  made her change her mind.Your always in my prayer.
Raquel


Title: Re: reality
Post by: Jimbo on March 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM
... in response to reality, posted by Lori on Mar 14, 2002

Lori,

It's a helpless feeling, I know, but just hang in there and do whatever you can for him.  To some degree it's normal, but almost certainly it will pass.  Sally cried herself to sleep quite a few times in those first 4 weeks and nothing I did could bring her much comfort.  I just held her at night; the moans and the sobs wouldn't allow me to sleep until she had finally dozed off.

Jim