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Man I don't know how many people I know who are getting suckered by girls. Some people I hate to say it, & I"ll probably get in trouble for saying it but some people DESERVE to get screwed for being so gullible.
I just recently went on my 1st trip to Ukraine. I swam with the sharks in Lugansk & learned a lot & even played & got the best of some scam agencies myself. The thing is I went to see ONE girl but was prepared for the WORST & had intentions of seeing others if it didn't work out. Well thanks to Jack who helped me GREATLY in Kiev & to MYSELF in Lugansk I went out with 5 OTHER girls apart from the one I went to see. We are still writing each other but I learned I can do just fine WITHOUT an agency on my own over there. I had a time range that I gave myself (3 days) & when things didn't go PERFECT & went out & had NO TROUBLE finding other girls.
I have certain friends who are STUCK with a lady who are obviously scamming them but they are so deceived or blinded or just plain stupid that they can't seem to let go & help THEMSELVES out of a losing situation. I really just have NO PITY for people who don't help THEMSELVES. I needed help with a couple of things but once I have the girl in front of me I'm very quick to make a judgement call REGARDLESS of hot HOT the girl is or how charming she appears to be. I don't know I just had to get this off my chest after reading some of the posts here.

... in response to Some people are looking to get suckered...., posted by Frank O on Dec 12, 2002

Unfortunately many men set off on this quest for all the wrong reasons - i.e. they don't do well in the dating scene here in the US and think the pickings will be easier soemwhere else where their "rich American lifestyle" even if they're lower middle class, adds to their desirability. If through naievate, shyness, or inability to detect deception, they get stepped on at home, it sure makes sense that they'll get stepped on over there. The people who seem to succeed at this endeavor seem to have their act together before they go - are desirable men in their own right to women at home, but just wanted something different or extra. If you plan to go scuba diving in shark infested waters it's far safer to get trained and hone your skills in a swimming pool so that you know what's up when you hit the shark's environment. Female friends, sisters, cousins, aunts, etc. are often willing to help you out with some training in the tactics of women. Hone your dating and BS radar skills at home first where it's less expensive both from a monetary and comittment standpoint, before venturing out into an unfamiliar environment. Just my 2 cents worth.

- Jeff S.

... in response to Some people are looking to get suckered...., posted by Frank O on Dec 12, 2002

can be a total fool for an Aw,  there are millions of those stories---- so he can definitely be a fool for an RW.  The big difference is the agencies with their agiprop and small deceits for biz.  And there definitely are some agencies who are larcenous.  They lure in the gullible and unsuspecting.  There is money to be made.  Just need to bait the trap.  Then,  there are some girls who individually run a con for dollars,  which the unsuspecting guy sends.  In either scenario the guy has a weakness which can easily be exploited....he is lonely for a woman.  And maybe for one that is far too good looking and young than ones who may normally be attracted to him.

With the Aw a man is a fool,  full-time face to face.  In the RW scenario he can be the fool through emails and fantasy.  And maybe a short visit.

There is no substitute for real time in-person face to face time in a relationship.

... in response to Some people are looking to get suckered...., posted by Frank O on Dec 12, 2002

I'm not sure what to say, but there is a long lasting myth that there are more girls than guys in this world.

This is nothing more than a modern day lie based upon a WW2 reality, sure when most of the men went off to fight wars, there was an imbalance of men to woman.

But since through genetics we know that the Y chromosome swims to the uterus faster than the X chromosome 72%-75% of the time, we can then infer that there are about 3 guys to every one girl in this world.

You have imbalances in certain areas due to many factors, most of which include men moving to larger cities and woman staying in small towns with family and friends.

Any guy, no matter how good looking, has to compete with so many other guys to not only get a girl, but keep her as well. I have never been good a doing either. Not everyone can be successful in this area, not everyone has the ability or the skills to do so.

Girls like guys who are cocky, sure of themselves, and to a certain point who are ruthless and mean. I have none of those qualities, nor can I put on an act as if I do.

If you treat a girl well, she will walk all over you, if you treat her bad, she will respect and love you. I cannot deal with this apparent dichotomy.

Therefore I lose.

David

... in response to Re: Some people are looking to get sucke..., posted by John LV on Dec 12, 2002

The statistcal probability of a male (X) or female (Y) baby is 50/50. The only factor that skews this # is environmental,in most cultures the parents prefer males so when they have a boy they stop trying to have children. This can account for MAYBE on half of a percent. Where do you get this sh!t dude

... in response to Re: Re: Some people are looking to get s..., posted by bryan on Dec 14, 2002

I'm a scientist and philosopher, and it's ignorant people like you that makes me not want to live in this world anymore, I don't know where you've grown up, I don't know what schools you have attended, but the idea you would act as if you know what your talking about has got to be one of the biggest jokes I've ever heard of in my life.

You act as if this knowledge is not commonplace, and if you don't even know such a simple thing such as genetics, certainly you don't know about more complex things such as the significance of the law of the conservation of energy and E=mc/2 with respect to the human body, or how time slows down the further you get from the surface of the earth, or speeds up the closer you get to the center of the earth, or the significance of quantum chaos, or the beauty of quantum theory, or the understanding of global society with respect to brain sex theory.

"Learning that which is already known is not the challenge, learning that which is not known is"

David Lewis Kuvelas
Philosopher

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Some people are looking to g..., posted by John LV on Dec 14, 2002

You think to much! Live a little...with the right woman that is!

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Some people are looking to g..., posted by John LV on Dec 14, 2002

how did you go from DavidSD to johnLV?

... in response to DavidSD, you stil posting on here??, posted by mudd on Dec 14, 2002

Who are you?

My old sparring partner? Mark was it?

... in response to Re: DavidSD, you stil posting on here??, posted by John LV on Dec 14, 2002

actualy i dont think i ever sparred with you when you were DavidSD, i just kind of ignored your off the wall comments, and then you really went "off the wall" and vanished. i just noticed after someone else pointed out that you used to be DavidSD. a good "off the wall" commment is difrent now and then, but yours were, how to put this........completely diffrent. so why the new name?????

... in response to Re: Some people are looking to get sucke..., posted by John LV on Dec 12, 2002

Only women you do not want are attracted to not being treated nice.

Women feel secure when a man is the take charge type. If he is a balanced blend of confident and caring women love that. Women do not want a man that they can walk over. Many test men to see what he is made of.

... in response to some truth but in the end BS David, posted by thesearch on Dec 12, 2002

You got that right! A women will test you in many ways and I'm not even sure they know they are testing you. There is the girl that wants what the other girl has, and there are the girls that want what they can't have. I've noticed over the years that by being a gentleman and when it's called for be dominaiting seems to cause a consistant admiration in women. I suppose it makes them feel like daddy"s little girl?? You know treat them with affection but when they act up scold them, or at least they think he will scold them ??? who knows but it seems to make sense. I do know by talking to many girls that are friends of mine that they don't like a wimpy guy,or a guy they can dangle around their finger, but yet they want a man to treat them like a lady and be sensitive. (again something like a good father)

I doubt anyone can give another man advice on how to be what girls are looking for, and expect that man to always be that way. If he doesn't already have it going in he's pretty much screwed until he see's the light himself. This stuff is how I see things with AW. As for RW I"m banking on them being not much different except they preffer a little more cash security to go along with it then an AW.

Mike -- who has done ok with women, Married to a RW and still isn't 100% sure what makes women tick, and when he's dead maybe God will explain it all.

... in response to Re: some truth but in the end BS David, posted by Mike on Dec 13, 2002

I agree with you. Funny thing is that even if you explain this to a guy who is blind to it ----- they can not seem to change.

Maybe there should be a school. In this school you go out on a fake date with your instructor and the guy has a shock collar around his whatever and the instructor gives you a shock from her remote every time you are doing something wimpy -- then she tells you why she did it. LOL

... in response to Re: Re: some truth but in the end BS Dav..., posted by thesearch on Dec 13, 2002

That really got me laughing when I imagined a guy with his eyes poping out and his hair standing up! I bet that would take the wimp out of him -- hmmm hey you may be on to a million dollar idea there!

Mike

... in response to some truth but in the end BS David, posted by thesearch on Dec 12, 2002

Especially FSUW

... in response to Re: Some people are looking to get sucke..., posted by John LV on Dec 12, 2002

I agree more male babies are born than female. However, the male death rate, for a number of reasons, is higher, and by the time 20 years is reached, they are approx. equal. By about 70, there are five times as many women as men.

Rick G

... in response to Re: Re: Some people are looking to get s..., posted by rickmoe on Dec 12, 2002

Wrong, as I stated above the statiscal probability of a baby being male or female is 50/50. Has anyone here ever taken a developmental Psychology class, I mean its only a 100 level undergrad course required in most Us.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Some people are looking to g..., posted by bryan on Dec 14, 2002

Nonsense, pure utter nonsense. Are you a geneticist? If not, where do you get your information at? The Internet? A magazine? Or do you read scientific journals as I do?

Psychology class? Your joking right? Why not talk with a Psychic instead? Or have your Palm read? Or seek counseling from an Astrologer?

Do you believe that Psychologist know anything about genetics? Or course they don't, they still believe after all what Sigmund Freud said, that all behavior is motivated by ego, the unconscious, and that all boys have a sexual attraction towards their mother, and a jealousy towards their father, and that all men have a sexual attraction towards other men at some level.

He was the Father of Psychology, and to put it mildly, he was one of the biggest freak Jews to ever live on this planet, and from him a new "science" was born.

And that new "science" is an utter joke, he was an utter joke, and psychology as it exists today is an utter joke.

So spare me your nonsense about idiot moron psychologist knowing anything about anything, because they’re all the biggest idiots on this entire planet.

As I have said, the Y chromosome swims to the uterus faster than the X chromosome 72%-75% of the time, this is a proven empirical fact measured in laboratories all over this planet, in Germany, in England, in the USA, in Italy, in Brazil, etc.

If you want to argue with this scientific empirical fact because it suits your beliefs, go ahead, but as a scientist and philosopher, I can tell you your wrong.

David

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Some people are looking ..., posted by John LV on Dec 14, 2002

Please make reference to these emperical scientific facts, I would like to know more about them...dummy

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Some people are looking ..., posted by John LV on Dec 14, 2002

Do you actually READ what you are writing?  The arrogance, the narcissim.. it's just amazing.  

Just so you will be a little more aware next time- Few therapists today subscribe to Freud.  Most acknowledge he made some very significant early contributions to the field but Psychoanalysis is a very time consuming ordeal and takes 3-5 years at a minimum to yield results, an amount of time and money most people do not have to invest.  The field has been moving strongly towards shorter term therapies for a long time now and away from the psychodynamic (Freudean) approaches.  So to say all therapists follow his thinking is simply incorrect to put it mildly.  And you forgot to mention that Freud was also heavily into cocaine and felt everyone could benefit from it's use!  Obviously today most would disagree with this but it doesn't mean that he could not still make great contributions to science.  John Kennedy was a notorious womanizer, but it doesn't mean he couldn't still be an effective leader..

This comment of yours below is quite revealing John-

"So spare me your nonsense about idiot moron psychologist knowing anything about anything, because they’re all the biggest idiots on this entire planet".

It is obvious to ME as a therapist, that you have had some miserably failed attempts at therapy or you would not make such ridiculous, sweeping statements.  Don't try denying this fact because again, it is more than obvious you have been in therapy and I am sure, failed miserably and fired each and every therapist you have had because you felt you knew more than they did..  There is a reason for this John- It is because you have a significant personality disorder which is part of who you are and so cannot be helped by medication (which I am sure you have tried as well), they must be worked on in therapy.  But becuase these disorders are part of your personality, part of your core being, they are very resistant to therapy as well.  Ask any therapist what they most hate working with and they will tell you "personality disorders" and this is because they are so treatment resistant.  Personality disordered clients often have a history of "firing" therapists, which I am sure you have done many times.  They like the attention they get from a new therapist, like shocking them with their stories and their always turbulent relationships (gee, kinda sounds like what you are doing on this board doesn't it?).  But once the therapist has heard al their stories and have them pretty much figured out, the personality disordered client usually quits therapy to look for a "better" therapist, one they can shock and amaze all over again with their supposedly dazzling intelligence..

In the past few short days, I have watched you go from destroyed and suicidal, to manipulating and milking many people on this board and lately even making homicidal statements..  So I think your telling Brian he is full of "nonsense" is a little amazing, given your incredible arrogance, ridiculously inflated ego, statements of suicide/homicide, indulgent self pity and on and on..  
And with all that super-human intelligence you keep telling us all about, you have to wonder why your girl left you??  I am telling you John NO GIRL would be able to put up with this kind of BS, not your wife, not another FSU woman, not an American woman, not even Mother Teresa!

Give us a break John.. Get some therapy and TRY to invest yourself in it this time.  I don't say these things to be unkind, I say it because it's the truth and I'm tired of your BSing the board..  

... in response to Give us a break John-, posted by Oscar on Dec 14, 2002

Ok, so you have gone out on a limb and have indicated you are sure that I have sought therapy in the past, and even tried medication in the past as well.

Would it be a great shock to you then to know that you are completely wrong? I have never attended therapy of any kind, nor have I ever taken any medication of any kind.

So with your great therapy abilities, I guess even you can be wrong huh?

All geniuses throughout all of human history were looked at as having some type of disorder, to a normal person such as yourself, who does not posses superior intelligence and knowledge, anyone like myself posses a threat to you, and the only way you know how to deal with this threat is to discount this person as claiming they have some type of disorder.

The only disorder I have in this life is having to deal with people like you, to me Oscar you are nothing short of a moron, you understand nothing about this life, and you cannot possibly even imagine the level and depth of not only my knowledge about this world, but my understanding of it as well.

I completely waste my time by even talking with you; it would be like 50-year-old man trying to explain life to a 1-year-old child.

Do you know why the great thinkers and geniuses throughout all of human history were either killed or killed themselves? Or do you even know what I just said is true? The reason Oscar is that to someone who is so much more intelligent than everyone else around them, this only drives them to madness, ignorance is bliss, and knowledge is dangerous, and extreme knowledge leads to complete madness.

You have never in your life talked with anyone like me, and I dare say you never will.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with taking ones own life, first of all it takes a great deal of courage to do so, and second of all if you had my knowledge, you would understand that when our heart stops beating, and we return to the dust from which we came, our plasma (for a lack of better terminology) still exists, as each of our trillions of cells are emitting this plasma on a beautifully harmonic quantum level, with an intricacy that even the word or concept of quantum does not do justice.

But Oscar, I do not expect you to understand this, for nobody I have ever met in this lifetime does, but to me with my level of knowledge, this is common knowledge to me, more likely than not given to me by God through his Holy Spirit. I have been given wisdom, understanding, and truth which you cannot possibly understand or know.

The idea that you, or someone like you could ever help me with my problems is absurd considering you don't even understand my problems. Has is ever occurred to you that what I have told you could possibly be true? No it hasn't occurred to you, because it's beyond your comprehension, so you see Oscar, it's a complete waste of time for you and I to talk with each other, as it is a complete waste of time for me to talk with anyone on this planet.

Tell me Oscar, my mother got into witchcraft when she was about 18 years old, and shortly after that she was tormented by demons for many years, who would visit her at night and say terrible things to her, tormenting her, paralyzing her, and at one time raping her. Only when she called on God for help would this tormenting stop.

Now tell me Oscar ole boy, what does your therapy say about that? Ha ha ha ha ha, you therapist crack me up, you understand nothing about what is going on in this world, to people like me who have been enlightened by God, people like you are as ignorant as they come.

"The wisdom of this world is foolishness to God"

Bye bye Oscar, I envy you with your ignorance, for knowledge is like fire, it may seem interesting when looked at from afar, but if you play with it you surely will feel pain, and extreme pain at that.

David

... in response to Re: Give us a break John-, posted by John LV on Dec 14, 2002

WE'RE NOT WORTHY ! ! ! !

... in response to Re: Give us a break John-, posted by John LV on Dec 14, 2002

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... in response to Give us a break John-, posted by Oscar on Dec 14, 2002

Oscar,
You're in the business, so to speak, so let me ask you a question.  Are not JohnDavid's latest posts indicative of the manic side of a bipolar disorder?  Seems so to me.
Bob

... in response to Re: Give us a break John-, posted by robobond on Dec 14, 2002

With his narcissist personality though he is definitely management material in many companies.  I find it interesting he/she starts spouting of theories that he/she probably does not understand to appear educated.  Are educated guys the the ones on this board supposed to be afraid of this faux intellectual?

... in response to To the layman like me, he's a nutjob, posted by BubbaGump on Dec 14, 2002

...to get worse. As he moves past denial and enters the anger phase of his loss he's gonna really come unglued.

Better break out the popcorn and a comfy chair now. ;-)

... in response to It's about....., posted by LP on Dec 14, 2002

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... in response to Hey LP, be careful, Herbert (yeah right)..., posted by Oscar on Dec 14, 2002

...on my above post he'd report me for practicing shrink without a license. Maybe he knows something I don't? ;-)

I'd better stick with machines, at least I know how the jet is gonna react when I tell it to do something!

... in response to lol, seems based...., posted by LP on Dec 14, 2002

some of us think you do a better job at playing shrink than the one with the licence to play shrink.

... in response to Re: Give us a break John-, posted by robobond on Dec 14, 2002

From all I have read over the past couple of weeks that he has written Bob, I would say he is strongly Narcissitic Personality disordered.  Bipolar disorder is a "Mood Disorder" (like depression), as opposed to a "Personality Disorder".  Not the same thing.  Bipolar disorders are commonly treated with medication, Personality Disorders uaually are not although some personality disorders like Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder is commonly and often successfully treated with medication.
Mood and Personality disorders can be present together and I wouldn't be surprised if he has had some serious bouts with depression as well.  Because of his Personality Disorder, it would not be uncommon for him to receive the same type of negative reactions from people in his personal life as he gets here on the board and that could certainly exacerbate a depression over time..    

In my opinion, David meets virtually every criteria for Narcissitic Personality Disorder.  I could list them all but I don't want to put that much time into it..  If you looked it up on the internet, you would find the criteria I am sure.
I can see where you might feel his arrogance is somewhat manic, but manic phases are of a certain duration from weeks to a few months.  I am sure Davids arrogance is pretty much status quo for him and is ever present which would be consistent with a Personality Disorder as opposed to a Mood Disorder like Bipolar.

But hey, what do I know? As he says, all those Psychologists are complete idiots!  ;-)

My 2 cents

... in response to Re: Re: Give us a break John-, posted by Oscar on Dec 14, 2002

Are you a psychologist?

... in response to Psychologist?, posted by StevenOS on Dec 14, 2002

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... in response to I have reported your"alias" to..., posted by Oscar on Dec 14, 2002

Physician, heal thyself!

... in response to Re: I have reported you to the medical l..., posted by Herbert on Dec 14, 2002

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... in response to I have reported your"alias" to..., posted by Oscar on Dec 14, 2002

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... in response to Psychologist?, posted by StevenOS on Dec 14, 2002

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... in response to Dan..Ignored.   n/t, posted by Oscar on Dec 14, 2002

Or is it more pernicious than that Oscar?

- Dan

... in response to Is Paranoia One of Those "Personali..., posted by Dan on Dec 14, 2002

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... in response to PATRICK- I am waiting for you to act on ..., posted by Oscar on Dec 14, 2002

With NO BASIS IN FACT - and you expect Patrick to act. On what - exactly?

I am torn between feeling offended at your accusation - and flattered at the obvious fact that you are so fixated on me Oscar.

- Dan

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Some people are looking ..., posted by John LV on Dec 14, 2002

If you don't seek professional help fairly quickly you may just stumble into the suicide you keep intimating.

In the meantime, please go howl at someone else's moon.

... in response to You are a fingernail on the blackboard o..., posted by Griffin on Dec 14, 2002

n/t

... in response to Re: Re: Some people are looking to get s..., posted by rickmoe on Dec 12, 2002

I did a lot of digging in census data in putting together the divorce stats on this site and also looked at male to female population ratios in many countries.  It looks like there's a fairly constant 51% men to 49% women in the younger age categories in most countries.  I've since read that it's an evolutionary trend that compensates for the generally higher mortality rate among young males versus females (out hunting & fighting I suppose).

Some people look at only total female to male population ratios and assume that the ratio holds over the entire population, but among the younger people there's definitely more men than women and vice versa for the older people.

Don't ever believe any of the "The women outnumber the men X to 1" BS you see on some intro web sites.  Maybe there will be three 75 year-old women for every 75 year-old man, but among the younger generation, unless it's immediately after a very large scale war, there's always going to be slightly more men than women.

Colombia has a slightly skewed female to male ratio among younger people, probably due to all the civil warfare and high murder rates, but even there it's only something like 50.5% women to 49.5% men if I remember correctly.  That's not nearly large enough to have any appreciable impact on the dating scene.

... in response to You're absolutely correct, posted by Patrick on Dec 12, 2002

What's even worse for us guys that are shallow is the number of pretty single girls with no kids! I bet it's something like 1 girl for every 99 men here. (wink)

Mike

... in response to Some people are looking to get suckered...., posted by Frank O on Dec 12, 2002

I agree with what you are saying. However, "love (Lust) is blind."  Some men need to learn the hard way.  Matters of the heart are just difficult to discuss because "beauty is in the eye of the beholder," and we all have different expectations / experiences upon which to draw in our pursuit of women.