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This will be my last message on this board.

I have been completely defeated by my wife Natasha, she has won the final battle, I give up now, as I should have long ago. People gave me advice not to try to get even with Natasha, not to even think about Natasha, but as always, I didn't listen.

Here is what happen to me: I had staked out our apartment and was successful after waiting some 14 hours for her to come to the apartment, at which time I was able to snag the car our from underneath her, I parked the car in a safe place where she wouldn't be able to find it. I kept the car hidden for a week or so.

Yesterday, Natasha came over to the apartment and told me that she is out of money, that her boyfriend Christopher had broken up with her, and that she had no place to stay. She proposed that she move back in, get a job, pay for half of all the bills until our lease expired, live as roommates, but not see any other guys. Also she indicated that her mother is coming from Russia soon, which was further proof that she would stay at the apartment so her mother had a place to stay.

Needless to say, being the fool that I am, I believed her. She gave me back my computer that she took out of the apartment, she moved her stuff back into the apartment, at which time if I had wanted to, I could have easily taken her suitcases and her clothes and left with them, keeping the car and totally screwing her. No doubt she would have had to go home at that point.

But she talked me into this deal, so I gave the car back to her at about 5:00 yesterday, at 10:00 pm she said she wanted to go workout, I thought that was sort of odd to go workout so late, but still I believed her, after all her stuff was still in the apartment. She never came home last night; she took off with the car. So I took her suitcases and put them into storage early this morning. Today she came over with the car, I saw that I had the opportunity to take it once again; she was demanding to get back her stuff.

I saw that if I played this just right, I could once again take back the car and have her stuff at the same time, totally screwing her. So I told her to meet me at the apartment at 2:00 pm, she agreed and I went to the storage the got her things, and the agreement we had was that I give her things back, she sign off on the lease, taking her name off of it. Once she did this, I would attempt to take the car back.

Well that completely backfired on me, on my way back to the apartment, she spotted me and made a u-turn and got right behind me, her things were in the back of the truck. I parked and grabbed her suitcases and started walking up the stairs with them, telling her that she has to make good on our deal before I give her suitcases back to her, she said no she won't do that and grabbed the suitcases, I let her have one of them and then I tried to make it upstairs with a 100 lbs suitcase, she chased me again and grabbed the suitcase again, I could have gotten it from her, but I didn't want to get too physical with her. So I ran to the car and attempted to get inside, she ran right behind me, and as I opened the car door and got inside, she literally jumped into the driver seat with me screaming at the top of her lungs, scratching my entire face up, at which point I could not do anything unless I wanted to hurt her. The car blocked my truck so that I could not even leave with me truck.

The neighbors hearing the screaming came outside by the dozens, they called the police, the police showed up and by some miracle, did not arrest me. I should be in country jail right now, but instead I'm free but will have to show up to court for this. The officer informed me that they have been out to the apartment before where Natasha claimed that I abused her.

I had changed the locks, but the officer made me give her the key, so now Natasha can come and go again anytime she wants in my apartment, free to take anything she wants. She has the car again, she has her stuff again, and I have been completely defeated by her. Now I'm the bad guy since the police have been called out twice for alleged abuse.

I've been defeated, and I'm very depressed about it, she has completely ruined my life and gotten away with it, my credit will be destroyed now.

This girl has been my worst nightmare of my life, she has a 20,000 dollar Mitsubishi Eclipse, and her stuff, a free pass to come and go in my apartment all she wants, a boyfriend to sleep with whenever she wants, and I'm totally screwed.

I give up, from this day forward, I will only think of myself, I will try my best to piece my life back together, but today is the worst day of my life, I cannot believe this has happened to me, I cannot believe Natasha has done this to me, and I cannot believe she will end up getting away with this.

I never knew a person could be so evil, but now I do, I'll never forget this.

To any of you like Oscar who keep saying my story is not true, I wish more than you could know that you were right, but most unfortunately, it is true, and I have been played the fool so hard, so many times now, that I have nobody to blame but myself, and I do.

To all of you that are happily married, you are very lucky, I can only wish I were in your shoes. This is my last post, please never do what I have done, please do not be a fool like I am.

I hope that things will get better for me, I really do.

Take care guys,

David

... in response to The final end to this long Saga, posted by John LV on Dec 3, 2002

If any of it is true (or even if it isn't), you obviously secretly enjoy playing the submissive punchbag to strong-minded women.

I am with Oscar, I don't believe a word of it. But just to make you feel better...

AWAY WITH YOU AND YOUR PATHETIC LIMP-WRISTED POSTINGS! AWAY WITH YOU, YOU CRAVEN WRETCH, TO THE HEADMASTER'S OFFICE FOR SIX OF THE BEST, AND FOREVER HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME!!!!

(Was that good for you too??)

... in response to The final end to this long Saga, posted by John LV on Dec 3, 2002

What a relief.  The suspense was killing me.

... in response to The final end to this long Saga, posted by John LV on Dec 3, 2002

I know a couple that are playing the same games you two are. He saw himself as saving her from a life of dispare and sorrows and felt she should worship him, and she saw herself as doing him a big favor by letting him be with a beautiful women and he should treat her as his queen.

They should have asked a stranger if he/she thought the two of them would make a good couple, after 5 minutes with either one of them the stranger would have said RUN!

Mike

... in response to The final end to this long Saga, posted by John LV on Dec 3, 2002

n/t

... in response to The final end to this long Saga, posted by John LV on Dec 3, 2002

I hate to hit a guy when he is down, but sometimes what goes around comes around. There was a time about 2 years back when I was more of a regular here and I had a differnece of an opinion with one of the guyus JonF and KenSD/JohnLV was siding with him and it got so back that he physicall threatened me and dared me to meet him some palce so he could kick my butt.  He referenced a photo in a muscle magazine as well to try and intimidate me to no avail.

I just have to say that in time those bullies and not so nice people we encounter get there's and now KenSD/JohnLV has gotten his.
DonP

... in response to Re: The final end to this long Saga, posted by DonP on Dec 5, 2002

It has been two years since you got married already? Wow

How have things been? I for one would be interested in hearing about it.

Greg

... in response to Re: The final end to this long Saga, posted by DonP on Dec 5, 2002

Don,
You are somewhat confused here.  It is DavidSD not KenSD that you are refering to.
KenC

... in response to The final end to this long Saga, posted by John LV on Dec 3, 2002

John LV, email us at phillipfallon@nospam.com, if you need to talk about this (I am married to a Ukrainian woman for 4+ years).  Love is blind, and you were too blind to see her for what she truly was because of your love for her and your own insecurity.  The fact that you did not follow anyone's advice here is a moot point now; you must get on with your life.  

This board has some people who just want to fling crap and engage in muscle-flexing pissing contests with each other instead of giving solace or constructive advice; ignore them.  Email us, and talk about it.  Also find someone you trust who is non-judgemental to let it out.

Phillip

... in response to Re: The final end to this long Saga, posted by Phillip on Dec 4, 2002

I agree with you. Good for you for offering help.

However, my bet is although he may respond to you, he may not be in a mental state to benefit and you may feel that you have expended time and energy to a deaf ear. Hopefully that will not be the case.

If you do get to communicate with him, encourage him to come back after it is all over and let people know what happened. I think that it is important for some people to see all sides of the reality that the MOB venue offers to those who participate.

... in response to Only the beginning of this saga I am afr..., posted by thesearch on Dec 5, 2002

Come on guys,  I do not wish to beat someone up when their down, but frankly we all fall in love one time or another, but I do not believe at our ages, (none of us are teenagers) we should allow ourselves to be crushed or pushed to the edge over any women.  It is not an issue of self respect but self preservation that is the issue.  If a woman is just not worth it, regardless of how you feel,  cut and run and find another one.  No woman, or man in the reverse situation, is worth that much pain.   If you can not let go, you must examine yourself not the woman.   If you allow anyone that much control of your life, you run the risk of this happening.   I once had a woman tell me to my face when we were discussing how badly a woman friend of ours treated  her husband.   She ordered him around, made him spend lots of money on her, had no real respect for him etc.   My friend, now exfriend and I were discussing the situation and she said to me, "Well if he allows that to go on then why should she not ride the horse as long as it goes.  After all men are like floor tiles, lay them right the first time, and you can walk all over them the rest of your life."

   enough said.   Love them, treat them well, respect them always, but never give up your _ alls.   And never let anyone walk on you as they can not love you if they are indifferent to your pain.

Robert D.

... in response to Only the beginning of this saga I am afr..., posted by thesearch on Dec 5, 2002

I'll tell him to let everyone know what happened.  We tend to forget that there are many horror stories as well as fairytale endings to this.  People below commented on how this is not for those who are emotional and not logical.  I must admit that I am like that myself.  We tend to see our own bad experiences with women in our own country, and think that an FSU woman will fix our problems and we will live Happily Ever After with our own personal goddess/housewife/sextoy.  When the woman turns out to be a normal Human, with flaws and bad habits, or even spiteful and mean, we are shocked and disappointed.  Some that do this are a bit mysogynistic but mostly insecure and tend to lead with the heart and not the brain.  I guess I saw a little of myself in his writing and realized that I very easily could have been burned just as badly as he was.  My own story turned out to be somewhere in the zone of reality between horror story and fairy tale - many times it is indeed a fairy tale; sometimes we disagree, argue, and get on each others' nerves, just like many other married couples (and cultural differences don't play a big part most of the time, believe it or not).  I am very happily married for over four years now, though, so my story was definitely a success.  Anyone who wants to do this needs to be aware of the realities and any possible dangers that come from it.

... in response to Re: The final end to this long Saga, posted by Phillip on Dec 4, 2002

I agree with you about some of these Guys. While I feel that John's brain is twisted...What happened to him can happen to any Guy thats in Love with the wrong Woman. I think its wrong to beat on a Person when he's down, doesn't matter what he posted on this board in the Past. I 've been a lurker reading DavidSD past posts, I believe his call for help.

... in response to Good Post Philip, posted by greg on Dec 4, 2002

The guy needs professional help, not warm fuzzies.  Lending him a sympathetic ear only "enables" him.  I have an alcoholic brother who cries out for help with some regularity.  Respond and he will drown you in his maudlin self pity.

... in response to I suspect that most of us believe that s..., posted by Griffin on Dec 5, 2002

You may be right.  A few email responses won't cost me anything except time, though.  I think I can filter out the maudlin self-pity and try to give him support and encouragement.  He can always choose not to listen.

... in response to Re: I suspect that most of us believe th..., posted by Phillip on Dec 5, 2002

I feel sorry for his alcoholic brother, you can always find another women but you can't find another brother to lean on.

Mike

... in response to I suspect that most of us believe that s..., posted by Griffin on Dec 5, 2002

It is clear that David is not thinking straight right now. He is doing everything he can to undo himself - playing into her hand, reacting emotionally instead of logically. Now, her position has been empowered by him and the system may not serve him well at this point.

He asked for advice, did not even read all his responses I would bet, thus being disrespectful to those whose help he requested, and then did not even take sound advice. He really should not even ask for advice but for someone to tie him up to a chair until he comes to his senses. He is out of control - on self destruct plain and simple.

I am sorry but this MOB stuff is not well suited for people are not adept at reading people or people who are more emotional versus logical. If one or both of these apply it is a recipe for disaster potential.

... in response to Re: I suspect that most of us believe th..., posted by thesearch on Dec 5, 2002

So, So true.....If your logical, emotional and financial ducks are not in a row....stay away!!!

... in response to Re: Re: I suspect that most of us believ..., posted by Globetrotter on Dec 5, 2002

The problem could be that this MOB thing might attract people in fair numbers who do not have their ducks in order. (Not that they should not have happiness like everyone else. Everyone deserves happiness.)

I think that this might happen because it is just that it is so easy for almost anyone to get one of these ladies to respond to you. From my experience, there is no other place where you can get such ready attention from  beautiful woman as you can from the Internet focusing on the FSU. I remember when I discovered this the first time, I found it hard to believe.

I looked at the profiles of the AW who were on the Internet advertising themselves in my area and compared these profiles and photo's to the FSU ladies and it was like night and day. The AW were commonly not in good physical shape but demanding all sorts of things whereas the FSU gals were usually in good shape with messages totally different from the AW.  

That is what lures some guys into this who are not as well equipped as others to handle what is to follow. However, they find themselves immersed and proceeding.

Most certainly, it has turned out wonderfully for many but for others like DavidSD - they have manifested their own worst nightmare.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: I suspect that most of us be..., posted by thesearch on Dec 5, 2002

Everything you said is true as far as my belief structure is concerned...maybe not everyone's.  Literally anyone can find someone in the FSU who may or may not have an agenda.
Therefore, the time and evaluation while recognizing the risks involved are necessary, before pulling the trigger. If one thinks they will find a nice subserviant housewife that can be easily molded to their lifestyle, they're very sadly mistaken, like our friend David.  

If you've been through a divorce before, don't think it can't happen again, and take the necessary precautions to prepare if should.  But then some only have the capacity to think with their heart instead of their head.  To each their own.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: I suspect that most of u..., posted by Globetrotter on Dec 5, 2002

sdf

... in response to The final end to this long Saga, posted by John LV on Dec 3, 2002

never EVER give up the power in a relationship.   Do not abuse it ever, but keep your _ alls, at all cost.     Treat women with great respect, but also love yourself, and love does not mean that you have to allow yourself to be made a sucker of.   EVER.  Stop payment on the car, and tell them to repo it, they will not have problems finding it.  Break the lease if you have to, but get on with your life.

There are busses along every 20 minutes in most places.  Putting up with BS is a no brainer.

Robert D.

... in response to The final end to this long Saga, posted by John LV on Dec 3, 2002

You may be able to file a chapter 7, you don't need her concent, check with an attorney.  If you can then you can forfeit the car she has and all her possesions.  I have a friend who did this, it may be your only way out. It will mess up your credit but that's going to happen aynway.

... in response to The final end to this long Saga, posted by John LV on Dec 3, 2002

I would love to hear what she has to say about all this.

... in response to Natasha sounds like a really great woman..., posted by vagn on Dec 4, 2002

by ignoring everyone's advice (mental & legal help, walking away from the relationship, etc.) and continuing to do really stupid things, JohnDavid literally BEGS to be screwed. Natasha, being and old fashioned and submissive girl, graciously accommodates him. Being that she is most probably laughing her ass off right now, she also has a terrific sense of humor! JohnDavid, when in manic mode, professes to have more intelligence than God himself. Natasha continues to outsmart him so she must be highly intelligent. We've seen her picture so we know she's very attractive. She is certainly not a shy, wallflower type. It also sounds like she has strong sexual drive. This woman has it all EXCEPT she doesn't cook!

Think this is JohnDavid's final post? Don't bet on it - I can smell at least one sequel on the horizon -- that's when MAMANatasha shows up, suitcase in hand, and moves in with the happy couple!

If JohnDavid really wants to snatch his life away from the jaws of defeat and claim a stunning victory, all he has to do is head for Hollywood (the trip would be tax-deductible) and sell this tripe as a mini-series/soap opera/situation comedy (take your pick). Then, with $ millions in hand, he has the last laugh on Natasha...

"CUT! That's a wrap."

And that's my rant, Bob

... in response to The final end to this long Saga, posted by John LV on Dec 3, 2002

You have very creative imagination.  Go take your meds.

... in response to Re: LOL...great story., posted by wsbill on Dec 3, 2002

n/t

... in response to Re: LOL...great story., posted by wsbill on Dec 3, 2002

I bet David is wishing that there was some kinda medication that would make this nightmare go away.  You and I should be glad we didn't bring anyone over.  There, but for the grace of g*d go I.

... in response to Re: Re: LOL...great story., posted by Richard on Dec 3, 2002

Succeed in this quest...  RAGS, Oatmeal and Dan.

I will be there...one of these days.

... in response to Re:  Oh... I know of 3 lucky guy who hav..., posted by wsbill on Dec 4, 2002

In four months we will be celebrating our third wedding anniversary.

... in response to Re:  Oh... I know of 3 lucky guy who hav..., posted by wsbill on Dec 4, 2002

I guess you can call my marriage successful...I am still getting a lot of attention from my wife...almost every day, twice on Sunday  :O)

... in response to Re: Re:  Oh... I know of 3 lucky guy who..., posted by Apk1 on Dec 4, 2002

I can't give mine enough! I'm starting to feel like a piece of meat (wink) I'm wondering if there's something in RW's genes that make them sex-crazy??

Mike -- who hopes his wife doesn't read this

... in response to Is it in their genes??, posted by Mike on Dec 8, 2002

Mike/Apk,
My personal belief is that it is from the years of NOT reading Cosmo and other women's magazines.  Or maybe just not being exposed to the TV show "The View".  LOL  Whatever it is, don't fight it, just enjoy it.
KenC

... in response to no, it is from lack of brainwashing, posted by KenC on Dec 8, 2002

I hear ya Ken!

Mike -- a pig in hog heaven.

... in response to The final end to this long Saga, posted by John LV on Dec 3, 2002

David,

Whether you realize it or not, you orchestrated this whole thing and she was only an actress in this play you have directed.

If not, you would have gotten rid of her very early on in the game plain and simple.

Sorry that life is teaching you such a harsh lesson. Learn or repeat. Then again, be as you are saying and do not learn but live only for yourself.

This way you lose on both counts, one getting a beating without coming away with a lesson learned  ---- instead punishing yourself forever and others with you new hard skinned attitude.

By doing this you give her all mighty power over you from this day on.

Choose this if you like. It is your life.