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My horror story:

I’m from San Diego, but I was living in Orlando Florida, I met a guy who was from the Czech Republic visiting to the USA. We were talking and he mentioned his girl friend and showed me a picture of her, she was very pretty and I asked him sort of jokingly, “how did you find such a girl?” He then asked me, why don’t you have yourself a girl? That was a question I was unsure of, was it because my first girlfriend that I had when I was sixteen went out and cheated on me? Or was it because my second girl friend when I was 18 cheated on me? Or perhaps it was all the girls who cheated on their boyfriends with me? Or perhaps it was my best friend Scott who during our college years, slept with countless girls, many of which were married, and one who gave him herpes, which he then in turn gave another young 17 year old girl herpes? Or maybe it was because of the girl I met when in Orlando, a very sweet and nice Indian girl, who had a boyfriend who was temporarily in Boston at the time, I was talking with her and liked her a great deal, but would never start anything with her since she already had a boyfriend, I respected her and admired her, all until the time she informed me that her boyfriend would never cheat on her, but if either of them were to cheat, “it would be her to do it”.

Well there went that respect for her. Or maybe it was Michelle in Connecticut, a beautiful girl who had a boyfriend, and as she told him over the payphone that she loved him, she then went out with me that night and later came over to my house to be with me. Or maybe it was Lori in Orlando, the hot looking blonde I went out with for over a month, all until the time I found out that every guy on the entire lake had done her, I was just a Johnny come lately, and she went on to find even more guys to do after me.

Such a hard question, why don’t I have a girl? Hmmm, maybe it was my own mother who cheated on my dad? Or maybe it was my two stepmothers who cheated on my dad? Or maybe it was Terry who cheated on my uncle? Or maybe it was my other uncle’s wife who cheated on him? Or maybe it was all the other girls who I have personally seen cheating on their boyfriends and husbands? Do I know of a girl who has not or does not cheat? Hmmm, let me think about that for a second, ………..no, I don’t know of any.

But I can tell you what I do know, I know of a whole bunch of men out there who believe their wives are faithful to them, that much is certain. So then, I tell my new friend Vladimir the answer of, “these girls around here are no good, I don’t like them”. He told me he understands, and doesn’t blame me; he suggested that I find a girl in Prague, Czech Republic. I said sure, would love to, etc etc, not taking it seriously at all.

A month or so later, I get these pictures with letters of girls, very nice looking girls who sounded sincere, who said the things a man wants to hear. I must have gotten a hundred of them over a month or two. One of them looked special to me, spoke very good English, was from Moscow, and had an email address. So I decided I would just write her an email to see what would happen. I wrote a short email asking her to write back if she can speak English with me. Two days later I received an email from her, and she sounded so kind, so sweet, so smart, and so interested in me, all without even seeing my picture. I asked her if I could call her, she said yes, so I called her and we started talking with each other. Her voice was so soft, so sweet and kind, I thought she was the nicest girl I had ever spoken with in my entire life, a 1000 times better than any American woman I had ever met.

I sold my car, I sold my belongings and moved back to San Diego, where I got a passport and plane ticket and flew to meet her. She was very nice looking, and she could cook incredibly well. We actually got into a big fight while I was there, but I had already fallen in love with her via the phone. I came back home and started working in San Diego, we talked everyday and I ran up a 1000 a month phone bill. Plus I sent her about 5000 dollars via Western Union over the entire time we waited till she could come here. I fly to see here a second time for New Years in Prague, and we had a great time together, I was so happy to have a girl like her, an absolute dream come true for me.

Six months later, on June 13th 2001, she flew to meet with me in San Diego, and we started our relationship, on July 3rd, 2001 we got married at the Venetian in Las Vegas, and had a great time together, the picture you can see through the link below was taken at the Bellagio after we were married.

Once we were married, all the problems started to surface, I found out that she is lazy, she doesn’t clean anything ever, she won’t even do her own laundry let alone mine, she won’t go shopping for food, she won’t water the plants, she won’t pay bills, she won’t clean the bathrooms, she won’t do the dishes, she does not plan ahead, she cannot think that the rent needs to be paid, or anything like that. She takes the credit cards and buys herself cosmetics, needs to spend 150 on her hair every 2 months, needs to buy this, but that. She would eat soup, and with every spoonful, spill it all over the carpet, drink Cranberry juice, and spill in all the floor and the carpet. She got mad once and threw a watermelon against the wall, of which I was stuck cleaning it up. Her teeth were a disaster, and she had bad breath from this, I took her to the dentist in Mexico and 2000 dollars later her teeth are fine now. I bought a brand new 16,000 dollar sports car for her, one month later she rolled it and totaled it out, so I bought her another 20,000 dollar sports car to replace it. I have endured 500 a month phone bills from her calling her mother, and friends, I have endured working 7 days a week to support her, I taught her how to drive, I made her resume for her, I took her to job interviews. She landed a job as a Secretary at Karl Strauss in San Diego, she lasted for about 2 months before they finally fired her for coming to work late everyday.

She has had her work card now for about one year, and during that time she has earned about 2,000 dollars. Her car payment is 383 a month, our Insurance is 350 per month, she ran up 8,000 in credit card bills, she spent 10,000 out of our checking account over about 8 months. We moved to Vegas about 2 months ago now, I sent her through Bartending and Cocktail waitress school, she met another guy there and now she lives with him, isn’t that nice? I have done everything for this girl for the last 2.5 years, given up my whole life, spent countless thousands of dollars, cleaned the whole house, worked seven days a week, etc etc and now she has completely betrayed me.

I moved out of the apartment we were staying at, rented a rental car, and staked out the apartment, sure enough after 14 hours of waiting, she came to the apartment with my 2002 red Mitsubishi Eclipse, and guess who was driving? The guy who she is with now, and they went up into MY apartment together. Well instead of going to jail, I simply got into the Mitsubishi and drove off, and I have the car in a safe place where she cannot find it. She called the police, and told them I stole HER car, and HER bankcard, and god only knows what else.

This girl has turned out to be the worst girl I have ever met in my entire life, and I have met some of the biggest hoes and tramps you could imagine, but they pale in comparison to this girl. She has more nerve than any human being I have ever seen before in my entire life. She suggested to me that if I give her car back, she will live with me as friends, as long as I allow her to go out with other guys. Does that sound like a good deal? Should I go for that deal? Then she told me that if I didn’t give her car back, I would severely regret it because she will get me into huge trouble with the police.

Wow, I’m terrified. So much so, on Monday not only will I be filing for divorce, not only will I go to the INS and report everything that has happened, but I will also file for a restraining order against the woman. Did I mention she started kicking me and hitting me right before she called the police? I should have had her arrested shouldn’t I of? But I have been too nice all this time, but I am getting to the point now where Mr. Nice guy is going away for awhile, Mr. Cold heart is starting to surface, even though it goes against my nature.

She still has all 2,000 lbs of her books from Russia here in the apartment, the very ones that cost me 2000 dollars to ship here to the USA. This weekend, I will be packing those books into boxes, along with all the rest of her stuff, I will hire movers on Monday to move her things into storage where I will pay for 1 or 2 months. I will have the Manager change the locks Monday, and I will park my truck around the corner where hopefully she will think that I’m gone, and that we have been locked out of the apartment by the Manager. I will give all the info to the manager regarding her things in storage, where she can go get them.

I will get over this girl, and I will never forget what has happened, I will never understand for the rest of my life how other human beings can be so cold, so ruthless, so evil, but I know from experience now that they can. They can lie so convincingly, even to the point where they say, “David, I may be a messy girl, but I am not the kind of girl who would cheat on you”, all while she just got back from having sex with this guy and got a really bad bladder infection.

To all of you who have read this, I have told the entire truth, and although I’m not perfect, I’m a thousand times better than she could ever be. She has gone from being the nicest girl I have ever met, making me the happiest guy on this planet, to being the worst human being I have ever met, making me miserable and leaving me with debt coming out my ears. Everyday I wake up and say to myself, this can’t be happening, there is no way in the world this has actually happened, and I’m still waiting to wake up from this nightmare.

I have learned my final lesson, in has nothing to do with American girls, or Russian girls, or Mexican girls, or Chinese girls, its girls themselves, they are all un-trustworthy, they all lie, con, cheat, manipulate, play games, and use men. Every single solitary one of them, period. They are so good at fooling men, even you who are reading this do not believe me, and so it goes, but I know better, I have observed them, I have studied them, I have analyzed them, and now I know for absolute certain, I want nothing to do with them ever again.

I don’t need a wife, I don’t need a companion, it may be extremely difficult, but I can live without them, and if I can’t, I simply will end my life here on this planet. The first woman ever created (Eve) bore the first sin, and sent mankind into exile from Eden, and it was a woman who told Joseph that if he didn’t have sex with her, she would bear false witness and claim he raped her. It was a woman who had John the Baptist beheaded. And if was the wisest man in the whole world, (King Solomon) who said, “ I can find one in a thousand men with whom I can respect, but no woman”.

Woman are trash, there whole being is one of a lie, imagine putting on a bunch of makeup and then saying, “this is what I look like”, what a lie, take off your makeup, that is what you look like. Do you think when they go shopping for clothes it’s to make themselves look sexy for you? Don’t be so naïve, they already have you, it’s to make themselves look good for other men, not you.

Have you ever watched a soap opera? Is it not about lies, deceit, unfaithfulness, etc? Have you ever watched Sex in the City? What is that show about? Have you ever read woman’s magazines before? What do they talk about?

The truth is the hardest thing in the whole world to accept, and although I love the truth, it can be extremely painful, but this life was not meant to be enjoyed, the best you can hope for is to tolerant this life, unless you lower yourself into the pit of Saddam and Gomorrah where woman reside.

That is my story, and everything I have said is the truth, and I will never touch another woman ever again, you can only stay a fool for so long.

David  (aka, JohnLV)

Here is our picture together at the Bellagio the day after we were married: http://profiles.yahoo.com/davetrading2002/?.src=prf&.done=http%3a//messages.yahoo.com/bbs%3f.mm=FN%26action=m%26board=4687959%26tid=actc%26sid=4687959%26mid=567714&lg=us

... in response to My Horror Story, posted by John LV on Nov 29, 2002

BURNED?

You need to figure out that question. The fact that you saw what she was and continued to put money into a unsavory situation is not self respecting relative to yourself.

For some reason, you are not willing to call an ace an ace and a spade a spade. You let this lady lead you around to her liking plain and simple.

You needed to get rid of her ass in month one or as soon as all this became apparent.

This is not being trusting, it is something other than that.

Sorry to hear this story. Lesson's can be painful. For there to be any value here, benefit for you, you need to learn what ever lesson you have brought on yourself and do not blame her.

Hell if you had a pet alligator and stuck your hand out to pet it like you would a puppy and he took your hand off, you can not blame the alligator plain an simple. You simple respect that there are all kinds of people and never try to make them or believe them to be what you want.

It is about acknowledging who they are and acting accordingly. You acted as though she had honor when it sounds that she was pretty much not showing anything to be worthy of such.

Bummer. Hey, I have learned the hard way to on things. You are not the Lone Ranger.

... in response to My Horror Story, posted by John LV on Nov 29, 2002

what a story. i see a lot i can learn from this.

you met only one woman and you did not know her very well and still married her. what was your rush.

... in response to My Horror Story, posted by John LV on Nov 29, 2002

What a jerk. 186 IQ dont mean squat you are in love with yourself. I was like that in my early 20s but a couple of hard knocks woke me up, maybe this woman was a GOD send and now you will look in the mirror and objectively assess the image staring back at you. You needed this, so either pull the trigger or get off your high horse and join the rest of the human race. Or go to a MENSA meeting maybe they will understand, or are you to "intelligent for them too.

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... in response to My Horror Story, posted by John LV on Nov 29, 2002

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... in response to My Horror Story, posted by John LV on Nov 29, 2002

..post this rant story about a week or so ago?

... in response to My Horror Story, posted by John LV on Nov 29, 2002

Ho...ya gotta polish up on those fiction skills...hohohohoho

... in response to My Horror Story, posted by John LV on Nov 29, 2002

isn't Women. It's your own twisted Brain. If a Guy start off bending over backwards to Please a Woman, let her walk all over him..don't be surprised at the monster he created. Thanks for the laugh hehehehe

... in response to My Horror Story, posted by John LV on Nov 29, 2002

n/t

... in response to "DavidSD" Written All Over It ..., posted by Dan on Nov 29, 2002

Dan,

A while back you posted an open question to the board regarding registering with e-mail addresses . I understand and agree , at least in part , with your reasoning on that .  But this recent JohnLV / DavidSD thing illustrates why some of us choose not to post our e-mail addresses .

This guy obviously has ' issues ' . ' Issues ' that I'm pretty sure that I can't help him with . I for one would not care to be receiving any prolonged tirades or pontifications such as some of the posts below on my home or work e-mail addresses . I would not care to be getting a steady stream of verbally abusive stuff from someone who is free from the board's constraints on behavior or of any code of conduct .

While some of the posters here have certainly earned the trust needed for off-board exchanges ; many have not . And there will always be these transient posters with their own warped agendas . The inclusion , or lack of , an e-mail address , does not necessarily legitimize the credibility of the poster .

I know that this topic was thoroughly dissected below , but in light of the recent posts I just wanted to revisit it .

don

... in response to Re: "DavidSD" Written All Over..., posted by don1 on Nov 30, 2002

Just so you know, I have had a few knumbnuts attack me with hatemail. One or two of them even went so far as to write automated scripts to overwhelm my ISP. Funny - in a sick sort of way.

Anyway, because I use Yahoo's mail system, it was VERY easy to block the sender(s) so that their efforts were for naught.

I just wanted to mention this in case you were mostly concerned about the prospect of someone attacking your ISP. With Yahoo, they really have some strong defense tactics that enable you to send/receive only desired messages.

FWIW

- Dan

... in response to Fair Enough Don. I Respect Your View . ...., posted by Dan on Nov 30, 2002

Sorry to hear about the hatemail and the viruses . Those are some of my reasons for not posting an e-mail address .

The other reason is : I am not exactly what you'd call 'as computer - savvy ' as probably most of the posters here . My mail system does not have as many defense mechanisms as Yahoo ; I need to educate myself a bit on this and perhaps once I've done that and installed some firewalls or something I'll reconsider . I realize that by not posting an address , I'm probably cutting myself off from a lot of valuable info or informative exchanges ; but for the time being this will work .

don

... in response to "DavidSD" Written All Over It ..., posted by Dan on Nov 29, 2002

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...literaly....“David, I may be a messy girl, but I am not the kind of girl who would cheat on you”...Plus, he signed it ;-) You guys can't read or what?

Davey, see someone. I feel for ya Bro but ya need to have your noggin looked at. Should have before Natasha even came aboard. Would've be better to just come here and tell your story as yourself, even though it's already known to many.

Get the bean checked Davey, before it's too late. Your history shows a capacity for deception that is clearly pathological. For a guy whose devoted his life to "intellectual pursuits", you haven't learn much at all.

Good luck Bro....

... in response to Sure it does...., posted by LP on Nov 29, 2002

I'm not sure, but somehow I get the impression you believe I care what you think?

If so, its you who needs their noggin looked at.

... in response to Re: Sure it does...., posted by John LV on Nov 29, 2002

...you're not sure, about anything. So long Kuvelas...your life is, and always will be, in the toilet. I knew that from the day a copy of your paperwork showed up in my mailbox.

... in response to You're right....., posted by LP on Nov 29, 2002

So LP, are you FBI or Secret Service? Or perhaps simply a Federal Marshal?

... in response to Re: You're right....., posted by John LV on Nov 30, 2002

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... in response to You're right....., posted by LP on Nov 29, 2002

A copy of my paperwork huh?

My life in the toilet?

I think it would be better said to say that life itself is in the toilet, I'm merely an innocent bystander in it.

But I don't expect you to understand that, you do not posses my knowledge or understanding about this world. Be happy in your ignorance, for I wish I were ignorant too.

... in response to Re: You're right....., posted by John LV on Nov 30, 2002

N/T

... in response to "DavidSD" Written All Over It ..., posted by Dan on Nov 29, 2002

Yeah. Dan I should have seen it especially after the post below (Re: actually Ken C said)

... in response to "DavidSD" Written All Over It ..., posted by Dan on Nov 29, 2002

Very good, you remember me, and I remember you as well.

... in response to Re: "DavidSD" Written All Over..., posted by John LV on Nov 29, 2002

And your threats of physical violence - and your delusions of self-grandeur.

Did I leave anything out?

Oh - there *was* that part about you being BANNED from the board.

- Dan

... in response to Yes David, I *do* Remember You. And Your..., posted by Dan on Nov 29, 2002

Round and round we go, where we stop nobody knows.

Dan, you can't expect everyone to like black people can you? You can't expect everyone to like mexicans can you? Do you think all black people like white people? Do you think all mexicans like white people? Do you think all black people like mexicans?

Grow up, stop living in your perfect little world, I realize you want everyone to just get along, but they don't, wake up and smell the coffee will you?

No, I guess you won't, so round and round we go.

I have 4 ISP's, you cannot kick me off this board, but fear not, I'm not staying here, I have no reason other to get off my chest what has happened to me, thats all. Its good for guys to share their experiences, even if it makes tham look stupid like myself.

And at least I can admit that.

... in response to Re: Yes David, I *do* Remember You. And ..., posted by John LV on Nov 29, 2002

I would not wish your fate on anyone. And I do, sincerely, hope that you find some comfort in getting this "off your chest." I hope you learn from your experience - and most af all - I truly hope that you are able to re-frame your thought processes to something that is more positive and productive.

David - you should seek some help (seriously!)

You've taken loads of 'heat' from this board and others - and it is usually the result of your sometimes overbearing and self-aggrandizing performances.

I honestly don't wish to aggravate your situation. I *do* wish you would seek some professional assistance (there is no shame in doing so) and commit to getting to the root of the problems you suffer.

Good Luck David,

- Dan

... in response to David - Surprisingly, I Don't Bear You A..., posted by Dan on Nov 29, 2002

The root of the problem I suffer is having an IQ of 186 and having more knowledge about this world than most everyone, people who truly are geniuses all suffer the same fate, with knowledge comes suffering, assuming the character is good as opposed to evil.

There is no psychologist or psychiatrist capable of helping me due to the fact they simply do not and cannot understand the knowledge that I have, they can only help the average person.

But thanks for your concern, however my suffering in this life can only be experienced by myself alone.

... in response to Re: David - Surprisingly, I Don't Bear Y..., posted by John LV on Nov 29, 2002

I don't know you David but I have read this thread tonight and I am a therapist.  From your posts, you clearly suffer from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.  I am sure you have been told this before, correct?  "nobody else can possibly understand me, I have more knowledge and am more intelligent than all of you, psychiatrists and therapists couldn't possibly understand and could only help the "average" person but not me because I am so much more intelligent", etc..

As has been suggested, do get some help..  I know what you are about from 3 simple posts, I don't think a therapist who sits with you in his office for an hour is going to have much trouble "understanding" you just fine..

Best of luck...

... in response to Re: Re: David - Surprisingly, I Don't Be..., posted by Oscar on Nov 30, 2002

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.....deleted. Thanx for the impetus Oscar.

... in response to Ho Boy....., posted by LP on Nov 30, 2002

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... in response to ??, posted by Oscar on Nov 30, 2002

....You prompted me to study this affliction in some detail, thereby increasing my awareness, understanding, and ability to deal with others who suffer from it. Knowledge is a good thing and I need all the help I can get ;-)

... in response to Simple....., posted by LP on Nov 30, 2002

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... in response to Re: David - Surprisingly, I Don't Bear Y..., posted by John LV on Nov 29, 2002

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... in response to Re: David - Surprisingly, I Don't Bear Y..., posted by John LV on Nov 29, 2002

Don't you suppose that a person with an IQ of 186 would be able to learn from one's mistakes?

How is it that the blessing of intelligence and the penalty of suffering are inextricably-linked? Surely someone with an IQ of 186 would be capable of lowering themselves to be able to explain such a dilemna to those of us "average persons".

While you are at it - maybe take a crack at explaining the sorts of "suffering" that burdens you - in terms we mere mortals might understand.

I'll humor you for a time David. It's been a while.

- Dan

... in response to David - A Conundrum For Those With an IQ..., posted by Dan on Nov 30, 2002

Dan,
I think you erring in equating a high IQ with common sense or street smarts....
Bob

... in response to David - A Conundrum For Those With an IQ..., posted by Dan on Nov 30, 2002

What sort of suffering?

Good question.

Imagine knowing how and why this world is all wrong, imagine knowing how good this world could actually be if only people understood the truth about this life, about money, about power and the misuse of it.

Imagine not only understanding how bad everything is, but being reminded of it day and night without end by everything around you, as if you had a pair of glasses that can see what others cannot.

Imagine being able to see with these glasses how the world is full of lies, deceit, half-truths, manipulation, and evil. Imagine knowing that God does exist, and imagine that you know this because he came into your room and saved you from an evil being, imagine knowing what his voice sounds like since he spoke to you, imagine knowing what his presence feels like, and what his presence sounds like. Then further imagine how you can't tell anybody this due to the fact they will think you are a crazy nut, imagine how nobody you can ever know on this planet can understand this, that you stand alone with this knowledge.

Imagine knowing where this world is headed in the near future; imagine knowing how bad things are going to get for all of us. Imagine knowing that evil is all around us, tempting us at every corner, laughing at us, enjoying our suffering.

Imagine knowing that God exists, yet you don't have the knowledge of why he allows all of this to happen, why he allows such suffering, such cruelty in this world.

Imagine having such incredible knowledge of the truths about this world, given to you by God himself, yet this knowledge only brings great sorrow and pain, not success and pleasure.

Imagine knowing that so many people are so selfish, so jealous, so envious, so cruel and unkind. Imagine seeing how the whole world is caught up into money, where almost everything everyone does is for the pursuit of something so evil and wrong as money.

These are only a few things that bother me; the others are too painful for me to speak openly about them.

... in response to David - A Conundrum For Those With an IQ..., posted by Dan on Nov 30, 2002

Well, do you understand good and evil at its basic root with respect to the human brain?

Do you understand the two controlling forces that control all human behavior?

Do you understand the implications of Brain Sex Theory on society?

Do you understand that God does indeed exist, and that evolution is merely a good lie?

Do you understand the significance of The Law of the Conservation of Energy, E=mc/2 and the human body have in common with respect to your spirit/soul?

Do you know with absolute certainty that when you die, you’re not really dead?

Do you understand Quantum Chaos? Quantum Consciousness, Quantum Mechanics both with respect to particle physics and chemistry? How about ordinary Quantum Theory? Do you understand General and Special Theory of Relativity? And if so, can you explain in simple terms how time slows down the further you get from the surface of the earth as measured with the mathematical concept of measuring rods and clocks? What about Atomic Particle Theory? Or Neuro Science? Cosmology?

Do you understand Sedonia on Mars, or Ezekiel Chapters 1 through 10? What do you make of what happen in Mexico City in 1992? What is your opinion of the anomaly at Mount Ararat in Turkey?

Do you understand basic things such as how electric engines work, how steam engines work, how rockets work, etc.

Do you understand how the basic function of a microprocessor works, and how that interrelates to the software used to interact with said processor to make a computer compute?

Do you understand what money is? Where it comes from? How it is used to control people? Do you understand how money is evil by its very nature? Do you understand how money is wrong on a quantum level?

Do you know what quantum means? Can you explain the basic geometry of the theoretical Space Time Continuum? Can you name the theorized 8 different dimensions to the Space Time Continuum?

If you know about any of these things, please let me know, I would be interested in debating with you.

... in response to Re: David - A Conundrum For Those With a..., posted by John LV on Nov 30, 2002

David....

Ever been in a knife fight in Kabul, and you didn't have the knife?

Ever had an AK47 clip fired at you in Tehran?

Ever been through Pakistan's NW Frontier Province?

I have known several with genius IQ's, who lacked common sence.  They really belonged in labs doing research, not in the real world.  You can only be helped when you decide you need it, and then do something about it.  Learn about life the way things really are, as opposed to the way you would like them to be, since you seem to know enough that comes from science books...so now learn something that can help you in life.  

Money is only evil if you use it that way.  Bill Gates gave away $25B last year to world health, and recently $100M to India for the fight against aids.  Ewing Kauffman put 2500 black and Hispanic kids from Harlem through college, as did Geraldo Rivera and Opera Winfrey..in lesser numbers.  Not bad eh?  I want to do the same with however much I can afford.

My Irish friend, and the greatest man I ever met, would say,
"It's a great life, if you don't weaken."

But then, what do I know.  I'm just the Moe who soloed too soon, got lost at 5000 ft., and had to buzz the expressway to read the road sign.  But, I got back to the airport, landed safely, and made it home that night.  Now, that's smart!!!

If you are so smart, you will know how to fix what is wrong, when you decide something is wrong.  You can do better, when you decide to do better.  

I assume you had a prenup, because that really would have been smart.

Sorry for your misfortune.  A little preparation goes a long way.

Best of luck in the future.

... in response to Re: David - A Conundrum For Those With a..., posted by John LV on Nov 30, 2002

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... in response to Re: David - A Conundrum For Those With a..., posted by John LV on Nov 30, 2002

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.....forget it Davey, I've studied your malady and now better understand why this post was not in your (or my) best interests. Go see someone, thats all I have to say.

... in response to Oh please... . ., posted by LP on Nov 30, 2002

I remember you Lear Pilot.

Listen, I'm afraid I'm a little too depressed now to argue with you, I'm still waking up everyday not believing what has happened to me with this girl. If you know my past, then you indeed know that I have lived a very troubled life. But I tried to put that behind me, I tried to find a special girl from a far away place and be happy for once.

And for a short time I was happy, I was so proud to have such a beautiful, smart girl in my life, and I honestly tried my very best to make it work, I put everything I had into it, giving up all the things that I had formerly done in my life. And now that it’s over with this girl, once again I'm completely lost. I don't have a family, my mom died a month ago, and she was the only person I could talk with. My wife has left me, and my life is basically ruined, I have no friends, and socially I cannot function for whatever reason.

I wish I could go receive help somewhere, but I honestly don't believe that anyone can help me, except perhaps to give me some drugs to artificially make me feel better.

LP, I like you, I respect intelligence, and you obviously are very intelligent, you have my respect. I don't think I'll be posting here much anymore though, I have so many things I must do about this situation, and I barely can muster the strength to do anything. The one thing that meant more to me than anything else in this life is now gone, and not gone by death, not gone by the relationship not working out, but gone by betrayal, and that is very hard for me to accept, actually its hard for me to comprehend.

I still cannot believe it, and I think it will be a long time until I can wake up and accept the reality of what has happened to me. To me this world is such a lonely and cold place, and no I would not want to pull dead people from rivers, or see burned people, I'm simply not tough enough for that, you have no idea how weak I am to all the wrongs and sufferings that happen on this planet. My whole life has been so painful, and at 35 I'm getting a bit tired of it. I'm finding it very difficult to find a reason to go on, I've already discovered more truth than I care to know, knowledge for the sake of knowledge no longer interest me, I have no family or friends, nor do I have any goals anymore, any desires, everything seems boring to me now, especially since doing anything would require doing it alone.

What am I going to do, go to East Europe again and find another girl who would only be willing to be with me simply because she wants to come to the land where everybody is good looking and tan, where everybody is rich, and where everybody is so happy?

To be honest with you, living takes far more courage than dying, I really don't know how you and others can do it, I don't often get very envious of others, but in this case I suppose I am envious, I wish I too had the courage to make it on this planet, had the courage to watch the Trade Towers crumble and imagine the people inside, imagine their families grieving for them. Imagine the little kids around the world who are suffering from starvation, malnutrition, parents who neglect them, the murders and sick individuals that the FBI has to deal with all the time. People who have sex with dead people, and then eat them. Kids who for fun play games that are all about murder, killing, rape, stealing, beating up cops, etc etc, and act as if there is nothing wrong with that.

To be aware of the corruption at every level in society, from judges, to politicians, to cops, to governments, to businesses, etc. To realize that when you go buy a new car, that person or persons are going to professional try they’re very best to rip you off the best they possibly can, all while smiling at you and pretending to be your friend. Or the person who signs you up at the gym, knowing they will say anything to you in order for you to sign, even when that includes lying and deceiving you. Or when you watch TV, how everything you see is for money, how all the shows you watch were made for money, not for entertainment, entertainment is low on the priority, its money that makes people do what they do. To the commercials that constantly without end try to convince you, (even lie) to get some of your money, all while acting as if they are your friends who want to help you.

Everything is a con, everything is a scam at some level, even relationships themselves are this way, people are selfish and they want sex for themselves, they want companionship, they want love, but often they don't care about what the other person wants, just what they want, what they can get from the relationship.

I'm tired of seeing all the pain, tired of seeing all the suffering, to me life is worthless, without meaning, nothing has any value, nothing has any substance, it is like what King Solomon said, "it is like chasing the wind", its futile. No matter how hard you try, no matter what you do, you will never catch the wind, it will be forever unattainable, and that is an analogy to what we all want, including evil, to be happy. Evil is just happy when everything is bad, that’s why evil prospers in this world, this is their world, and they like it here. But good must suffer here, for there is little good left on this planet, and things are getting worse and worse everyday.

I can assure you that soon world events will accelerate around Israel, soon very big things will start to happen that will culminate from and around Israel, we are all headed for global chaos, global financial ruin very soon. I know it would be nice to not believe this, but unfortunately I have no choice.

Maybe you and I could have been friends LP, who knows, in person I am a very nice guy, too nice I think for this world, I don't fit in anywhere, I don't belong anywhere, I'm an outsider looking in who cannot bare what he sees.

I say with absolute honesty LP, take care of yourself, I wish you the best, be happy if you can, love your family and friends, for there isn't much time left. How long I do not know, whether it starts in 1 year, or 5 years, or 20 years I cannot say, but my best guess is within 5-10 years from now, although it could be much sooner, impossible to predict. Or it could be 50 years, but one thing is for certain, man will destroy himself, that is his destiny. What is stopping the Jews from taking massive action against the Arabic world right now I will never understand, but I can assure you they won't take this abuse much longer, and when they start, the whole world will get involved, and when that happens, look out, it will make WW1 and WW2 look like romper room.

Take care LP, and I will try my best to do the same, it was nice talking with you again, even under the circumstances.

... in response to Re: Oh please... . ., posted by John LV on Nov 30, 2002

especially if one is so gullible to believe all of the crap they hear.

-blm

... in response to Re: Oh please... . ., posted by John LV on Nov 30, 2002

And call your nearest Crisis Center. Read this message (the one I am responding to) that you wrote - to the people on the line. Ask for a referral to the nearest available mental healthcare professional - and GOOOOO!

You need the help - and you need it soon.

Nothing anyone on this board will write is going to help you.

Seek professional assistance NOW!

- Dan

... in response to Re: Oh please... . ., posted by John LV on Nov 30, 2002

It's just too deep for someone who is truely depressed.  But the depth of his words, resonate with the wanna be shrink we have on this board...

No doubt, Saturday night is visiting the Library night in his family life.

... in response to Oh please... . ., posted by LP on Nov 30, 2002

I can only answer about 45 - 47% of this.
Guess I'm just an ol' poor dumb farm boy! Whew - just about had me reaching for the encyclopedia for a moment.
Caught myself in time and reached for a coffee instead. :-)

... in response to Well LP, I didn't pass this quiz..........., posted by Del on Nov 30, 2002

.....not bad for a farm boy!  lol, how'd you narrow it down to that last 2%?

Trust me, the coffee was a wise decision. Shows wisdom beats knowledge anyday of the week. ;-)

... in response to Oh please... . ., posted by LP on Nov 30, 2002

Have you ever seen the rain.......fallin down on a sunny day?
I may only have a 40-50 iq but I got a couple for ye lol.
Have you ever painted a picture of a lovely woman?
Have you ever written a song of love?
Have you ever cried at a sunset?
Have you ever felt love for all humanity at one time?
Have you ever podered that all is God and God is all therefor evil is just a form of God-incomprehensible?
Have you ever just pondered that fact that life is the greatest gig in town?
Have you ever just been gratful?
Have you ever had a good friend?
Have you ever loved a dog?
Have something you cared for ever died?
Have you ever just smiled for no reason?
Have you ever had a moment of peace?
Again I am not the smartest guy on teh planet but I do know one thing-I know just as much as anybody else!
Love Joe
ps Have you ever slepped with a picture of LP under your pillow :) hoosier daddy? xoxoxo

... in response to I want to know......., posted by yoe on Nov 30, 2002

....you got me Yoey, I just smiled for no reason. ;-)

... in response to Oh please... . ., posted by LP on Nov 30, 2002

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... in response to My Horror Story, posted by John LV on Nov 29, 2002

I am not saying this guy is or is not for real, but I do find it interesting that he immediately gets labeled a troll while Ukrainelover (I am not saying his story is or is not true either) below does not.  Everything is about the same, first posts, long somewhat incredible stories (from opposite ends of the spectrum).  Think about it.

... in response to My Horror Story, posted by John LV on Nov 29, 2002

I think you guys are wasting your time.  This guy is about as real as a $3 bill.  Go back and read his 1st post on
11-23-02 and the replies he got...  The $ amount of the sports car now changes from $20K to $22K... back then she kept the car, this time he took the car and she reported him to the police.  Back then he was pressed for more info & explanations and he didn't reply.  Instead we now get a newer and longer version of the story like he has never posted before...

Add this Yahoo stuff to the story & it all smells funny.

... in response to Re: My Horror Story, posted by robobond on Nov 29, 2002

I am real, Ken knows who I am, I met his wife in person and she came over our house to meet with Natasha while I lived in San Diego, and Ken and I talked on the phone the other day, everything I have said is the truth.

... in response to My Horror Story, posted by John LV on Nov 29, 2002

Are saying about this Davidtrader2002.

http://search.messages.yahoo.com/search/messages?fname_M=txt_main&tag_M=davetrading2002

... in response to Re: Do you think I'm harsh..read what ot..., posted by wsbill on Nov 29, 2002

http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=4687959&tid=actc&mid=551735&sid=4687959

... in response to My Horror Story, posted by John LV on Nov 29, 2002

Ya go to Mexico to have her teeth fixed $2k, and then opt to buy her a new car, and a sports car at that.

Sounds like it's time to take out an insurance policy on her and then take a vacation to Baja...where she runs off with some foreigner.

Don't forget the shovel and or concrete for cement shoes.

... in response to My Horror Story, posted by John LV on Nov 29, 2002

Hey...She's pretty hot!  Can I have her phone number?

... in response to My Horror Story, posted by John LV on Nov 29, 2002

This guy comes out of nowhere and posts a little
mini-novel about how he made every mistake possible
and how horribly he got taken advantage of.  We are
supposed to take this seriously?  It's like the guy was
working from a checklist of things to do wrong.

It's the beginning of the weekend.  Here come the trolls.

... in response to TROLL: Is Dave off his meds?  Is the cow..., posted by vagn on Nov 29, 2002

this guy is real. Being from San Diego maybe they met there.
And if he is real, its the classic story of a guy that let his little head do all his thinking. He said she never did squat and he put up w/ it. He's abviously a doormat that let her walk all over him and while no one deserves what he got, he has no one to blame but himself.

... in response to actually Ken C said, posted by Stan B on Nov 29, 2002

What you say certainly has some truth to it, I should have been smarter, I should have seen it coming, but those things you can only get with experience, and experience brings wisdom. You can have a great deal of knowledge, but without wisdom that knowledge cannot be utilized properly. I just turned 35, and although there may be many other guys who are wiser than me with respect to girls, I have devoted most of my adult life to an intellectual pursuit, so admit tingly I'm a little naive when it comes to girls.

Blame myself? Yes and no, yes because I should have known better, no because nobody should have to go through that. People like Natasha should be put in jail for being a menace to society, the poor next guy who falls for her will be just as miserable as she has made me, this girl is an absolute professional at what she does.

Don't think I have not been used before, certainly I have, but all those that did were fairly obvious about it, this girl should win an academy award for her abilities to lie and deceive.

But putting up with her doing nothing around the house? What should I have done? Beat her up? Call the police? Tell her to take all of her stuff and move back to Russia? That is much easier said than done you know, she was stuck with me just as much as I was stuck with her, that is why I don't like this idea of forcing a relationship by bringing a girl from another country and marrying her within 3 months, its not right.

If she had been an American girl, with a family here, with friends here, it may have been much easier to part, but when her home is 8,000 miles away, its much more difficult. Remember she did not come with two suitcases, she came with a Semi-Truck full of stuff, shipped via a ship which took a month to get here, where I picked it up at Customs.

For any of you who are thinking about doing this, I have to warn you, there are many things which you do not, which you can not think of or prepare for, this is much more difficult than it sounds, in so many small but significant ways. You better be ready to devote your entire life to these girls, and be prepared for problems which you cannot fathom. Its nothing like going out with an American girl, its much much harder than that.

I don't believe I would do it all over again, at least not until I'm 50 and I get myself a hot 25 year old to play with. But for a mate to love and marry, nah, I'll have to pass this time, I have decided American girls aren't so bad after all. I'm a good looking guy, I can get some American girls, its not a problem for me, I wanted a truly special girl, but now I know they don't exist. Girls are good for two things, sex and a night out, other than that, they are worthless. As long as I can remember that, I'll be ok.

... in response to Re: actually Ken C said, posted by John LV on Nov 29, 2002

If you believe what you have written

"Girls are good for two things, sex and a night out, other than that, they are worthless. As long as I can remember that, I'll be ok."

Then I have to wonder what you are good for.

... in response to actually Ken C said, posted by Stan B on Nov 29, 2002

Skip on the insurance.
----
Better you could hire some of us guys here to come on to the girl and you video tape makin woopie,us paying her (block out faces on video of course).  And then tell the judge she's running a brothel in your apartment...course, then he'll probably make you cough money for the sales tax.

Seriously, contact INS and a lawyer.

... in response to My Horror Story, posted by John LV on Nov 29, 2002

Hello LV,   don't give the car back,  to hell with her, fight her to the end.  Never give a sucker an even break
she understood that,  it is about time that you did, also.
All girls are not like her, take my word for it...........
What do you want, it is life,  you take your best shot and
do they.
As for girls cheating on their mates,  it is also life.
If every cuckhold in the world had a bell around his  neck,
we could not hear ourselves talk, ANYWHERE.
Learn how to enjoy them,  you are still kicking (alive)
so nothing is lost.
Ask my dear friend LP,  with age we learn to dream,  but
with our eyes wide open.
Pick yourself up, tomorrow the sun will shine again.

... in response to Re: My Horror Story, posted by micha1 on Nov 29, 2002

Hey LP. sorry, had to bring you into this.
If I had kill myself, like I wanted to do, every time a
broad cheated on me,  would not be here today.

Brel sang,  in Amsterdam,   "that in the port of Amsterdam,
there are sailors,  who piss like I cry, over women that
cheat on men".
Now that I am getting long in the tooth,  becoming a
philosopher  (girls have helped) and learned to eat the
good stuff, life is wonderful.

... in response to Re: Re: My Horror Story, posted by micha1 on Nov 29, 2002

....You've lost me Monsewer. I'm stayin outta this as it's too boring to enter the fray. If he's a fake, he's a bad one. If he's for real (Ken?) then he's simply another loser that makes up a good percentage of MOB types. (I found the irony in a certain response to him quite amusing.)

Kinda sounds like DSD to me but who knows? Who cares? If he's tellin the truth he ought to get some slack because he's in pain and there but for the grace of God (and perhaps time) go a few here. If he's trolling, he'll get his in due time. But if he's real, I agree with Bill...screw the INS and lawyers, he should've put a .22 between her eyes a long time ago.

As Robo would say, thats my rant....

... in response to Huh?...., posted by LP on Nov 29, 2002

and a very fine rant indeed!

... in response to My Horror Story, posted by John LV on Nov 29, 2002

I think you are doing the right thing playing hardball with this girl now.  Soon it all will be over and you will date / marry again.