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Gentlemen, I am t-minus 2 weeks and 6 days from arriving in Moscow.  I plan to fly in a couple of prospects there and go to St. Pete in between the Moscow "imports."  I wanted your reaction to a situation in which I'm trying to schedule an import to Moscow.
I contacted this really attractive girl on a site.  We got to talking, and I decide to offer to bring her in from Saratov and put her up in her own hotel room at the Rossiya.  She says she would rather fly that go by train because of the 15 hour ride by train.  Fine.  She then says the Rossiya is too noisy and cold. I ask her if she would prefer the Ukrainia.  She says it is too old.  So, I then ask her which hotel she would prefer.  Prophetically, she says the "Golden Ring."  I said that I would research this and get back to her.  It turns out that the cheapest room at the "Golden Ring" is $185 per night according to expedia.com!  This is over $100 more than the Rossiya.  I don't know about you, but I look at a hotel as a place to sleep and shower, and that's it.  2 rooms for 3 nights would total about $1,200.00.  I'm going to tell her it's either Rossiya or Saratov for her.  What would you do?

... in response to WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by rwnovice on Nov 15, 2002

Unless this is something you want to and can keep up -== simply tell her that you can not afford her tastes plain and simple. This does not sound like a woman most would want. It is clear what she wants. I can not believe you are even considering this quite frankly -- even if you were rich and money grows on trees for you.

... in response to THE ONLY SMART THING?, posted by thesearch on Nov 18, 2002

I told her my way or stay in Saratov.  She said indignantly that she cost many and does not waste money.  We wished each other luck.  She is just what makes me look outside this country:  a bloodsucker.  She admitted that she is looking for a "finansial secure" and generous man.  Even if I had money to throw around like that, I wouldn't.

... in response to Re: THE ONLY SMART THING?, posted by rwnovice on Nov 18, 2002

I ran into one like that. I called her on the phone once and only once. She spoke excellent English however, she spent most of the time complaining to me how all the men she was meeting were cheap. When I questioned her to find out what she was referring to it became clear that these men were not cheap, they just were not rich. What she was looking for/demanding was a life style whereby a guy would have to be worth about 50 million and not tied up to support the life style she demands. She was a Moscovite girl. Not saying anything about the big city girls but, I think that it is true, the country girls more commonly are looking for simpler and more important things.

She clearly was the one with the problem. She reminded me of a prostitute versus one looking for love, family etc. She looked at what she had to offer physically and decided what it should bring in relative to financial exchange in the market place. I then asked some guys here which was the agency set up for millionaires. Thanks to those here, got the information. I sent it to her and she got on it. She wrote back and met some guy who lived next door to Tom Cruise. Anyway, relative to her, IMHO she shows where if you have a lot of money it is not an asset but a liability. LOL

... in response to WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by rwnovice on Nov 15, 2002

Get the phone numbers of some Moscow agencies and find some local women to fill in for those 3 days that just opened up.  Heck, if the girls speak english already you just saved another $50-$60 a day on the translator.  If you want some bad girls, I got another agency web site for you.

... in response to Find some cheaper action , posted by BubbaGump on Nov 17, 2002

to misquote my ethical hero, Bill Clinton, that depends on what your definition of "bad" is!  lol

... in response to WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by rwnovice on Nov 15, 2002

Hey I did this last month. A 15 hour train ride is nothing, pay for a sleeper car. If she wants to fly, then she stays where you offer she can. HEll rent an apartment, with 1 bedroom, cost $50 at most, email me I can set you up, let her sleep on the couch, you are there to get to know each other, how will you do that staying in different hotels??

If she reaaly want to see you, she will make accomadations, if not she looks to me only interested in a first class vacation on your dime with no strings attached. Drop her now and see what she says.

... in response to Re: WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by petem on Nov 16, 2002

My plan overall is to "import" a girl to Moscow from an outlying region, stay 3 days with her, then go on to St. Pete where I've been corresponding with a few women, then back to Moscow for another 2 or 3 days with another "import".  Because I will barely know the import when I arrive, I think they are more comfortable with their own room.  Looks like you corresponded with your ladies for a while before asking them to share the same quarters.  My trip was not that long in the planning.  When are you going back?

... in response to WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by rwnovice on Nov 15, 2002

...to introduce to someone you really don't like.

... in response to WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by rwnovice on Nov 15, 2002

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... in response to WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by rwnovice on Nov 15, 2002

really likin' her alot.  And you want to spend alot...but far less than Moscow.  That would be giving her the benefit of the doubt..if you wish to.

It is curious though?  Her knowledge of Moscow Hotels and her preference of Hotel,  with YOU paying?  Is she a travel agent?  Tell her the Golden Ring has rodents and cockroaches and you would prefer her staying in a rodent free enviroment.

Also.  You would be better off getting a nice short term apartment in Moscow than the hotel.

... in response to WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by rwnovice on Nov 15, 2002

Tell her you have decided to meet her in Saratov.  If things do not work out with her, go to the local agencies in Saratov and find other girls.  Then fly back to Moscow and import the rest ie. continue with the rest of your trip.  In my experience a girl who makes anything other than very simple demands about anything in Russia, and that is after you have met her, should have you saying NEXT.................

... in response to Fly to Saratov, posted by Bobby Orr on Nov 16, 2002

You would really consider wasting your time on this lady?

... in response to Fly to Saratov, posted by Bobby Orr on Nov 16, 2002

Why waste a trip to Saratov when she has already proven her unworthiness? It is just a matter of dropping her now. Once the writing is on the wall it is best to not waste further investment of time and resources - and self respect.

... in response to Re: Fly to Saratov, posted by WmGo on Nov 16, 2002

I assume just telling the girl he would be flying to Saratov would get her to determine her real intentions - which I, like the majority of the responders feel is a girl he should not be bothering with.  If the guy did make the trip to Saratov, doing so might prove to be a stroke of luck for him.  I believe since it is a smaller, harder to reach place than Moscow, he would be more likely to find girls of good character whom were not tainted by Westerners throwing money around.  His plan seems to be to fly / train them all in to Moscow - so it is not such a bad plan, though he would be unable to see the girls in their own environment (which to me is a huge mistake), except for the girls he is meeting in Moscow and St. Petersburg.  As far as this particular girl from Saratov, only he can ultimately make the decision on her, since he is the one who has done the correspondence and knows this girl.

... in response to Re: Re: Fly to Saratov, posted by Bobby Orr on Nov 17, 2002

Ok, I understand your point now. There can be no doubt but that the sincerity level increases when outside of Moscow, St.Pete, etc.

... in response to WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by rwnovice on Nov 15, 2002

Since she is so choosy about the hotel, it looks like she probaby would come to Moscow, just to spend some more of your cash. But she could just as easily pocket the air fare you would presumably have to send her, never to be heard of again.  

Then again, some of these scammers are so devious, I wouldn't put it past her to pretend to be choosy about the hotel, to make you think she actually intends to come over.

... in response to WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by rwnovice on Nov 15, 2002

I'm pretty new at this whole RW thing.  But this seems obvious.  Don't waste your time or you're money.  I probably wouldn't even reply to her.  Move on.

... in response to WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by rwnovice on Nov 15, 2002

that, you've gathered some inkling of this this woman's character, at least, thru correspondence; therefore, you already know the answer.

Obviously, it's a personal decision here - predicated upon many factors - in your desire for a wife.

Yesterday, while at John Wayne (long delay), I found myself studying the no-go (carry on items) list for far too long. Ya know, no: Hockey sticks, Bazookas, Bowie knifes et al. One item was conspicuously missing.

Yes, the old branding iron. Perhaps, if you allow this gal to have her way, you might wish to introduce her to this 'ancient' American tradition. This, if only to warn future wary suitors, to the FSU, of her wiles. The particular brand...

Good luck, with your other choices...

Vaughn

... in response to I'd venture to say...., posted by BURKE89 on Nov 16, 2002

the most inoffensive brand I could think of is HM for high maintenance.  but then you don't have to go 6,000 miles for that!

... in response to WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by rwnovice on Nov 15, 2002

Tell her you'll fix her up with Bill Gates, or expect sex 10 times a day, and take her parents house as collatoral. Or just get lost! Why would some strange woman deserve such indulgence. Being considerate is one thing. Actually, the Rossiya is pretty old and uncomfortable (beds) unless perhaps you are in the new section.

Steve

... in response to WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by rwnovice on Nov 15, 2002

She sounds like a woman in Kiev I was involved with. Needless to say, I wish I had spend far less time on her.  I suggest you pass on this one.

... in response to WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by rwnovice on Nov 15, 2002

I know I wouldn't call her back.  Why waste the money.

I find it awful funny, here she is 15 hours away by train and she knows all these HOTELS.

Classy lady you have there.

... in response to WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by rwnovice on Nov 15, 2002

Knowing she's a player, I'd play with her and ask her bra size. Then I'd inform her of "The Formula":

She's got a B cup = Rossiya
She's got a C cup = Ukrainia
She's got a D cup or larger = Golden Ring

And you will need a certified, notarized letter with official translation to the effect of her bra size.

(Lord-- please forgive me for what I have written here! If you can't, I totally understand.)

... in response to Re: WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by Scaught on Nov 16, 2002

I could fly her to my hometown, New Orleans.  At Mardi Gras there are a couple of geniuses on Bourbon Street who dress as judges and have women line up to have their breasts judged and stamped.  I'd have to get the hotel logos for them.

... in response to WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by rwnovice on Nov 15, 2002

I'd go the extra $100 if i was gettin layed.

... in response to Re: WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by bryan on Nov 16, 2002

Actually, it would be a total of over $600 more, and no guarantee of action (or else I'd need only one room-then I might consider it!)

... in response to WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by rwnovice on Nov 15, 2002

go to hell.

... in response to Tell her to , posted by MtMav on Nov 16, 2002

and probably the noise coming from the anguished screams!

... in response to WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by rwnovice on Nov 15, 2002

If you want a very high maintenance woman, she would seem to be a great catch! LOL!  You have to know that if she EXPECTS the very best THERE, why would she not feel so inclined HERE?  If you are rich and this is no problem, great.  If you are not rich however, you could be in for a world of hurt as these appetities do not often change easily IMO.
I think it would also bother me that she seems intimately acquainted with each and every one of these hotels you mention!  NOT a good sign to me!

Would I tell her the Rossiya of the Saratov??  No.  I would tell her goodbye, but that's me.  Why with what you know, would you want to waste the time or money to go further with her??

My 2 cents

... in response to Re: WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by Oscar on Nov 16, 2002

She did tell me that she has met foreign men before (hence the familiarity with Moscow hotels).  She's a perfect 10 physically, so it must be something else about her if she isn't engaged yet. . .hmmmm....I wonder what it could be???

... in response to Re: Re: WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by rwnovice on Nov 16, 2002

What is her first name? I wonder if I have written her.

Steve

... in response to Re: Re: Re: WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by Quasimoto on Nov 16, 2002

alevtina

... in response to WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by rwnovice on Nov 15, 2002

Forget about the "Golden Ring" cuz you're about to get your Golden Goose cooked.  I wouldn't meet her at all.  The one you're after would solve the problem by bringing a warm sweater!  

15hrs/22hrs... Saratov must be about 2/3 of the way to Volgograd -- that's a fair distance and a whole different world from Moscow... Ever wonder how come she's a walking encyclopedia when it comes to room temp's. & decible levels in Moscow hotel rooms?

How fast can you bolt out the back door?

... in response to WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by rwnovice on Nov 15, 2002

Don't give her either of the choices.  She would probably agree to the lesser accommodations, but she has already sent you the signal that she cares nothing about costing you a lot of money.  Guaranteed (almost) that she will complain during her entire stay with you about the hotel, that she will want to go to expensive places, that she will want some jewlry, etc.

See my posts below about voluntarily spending too much money on a RW.  That leads to nothing but problems, but isn't half as bad (I think) as a situation where it is the RW who asks that the money be spent on her.

JR

... in response to WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by rwnovice on Nov 15, 2002

I won't tell you what to do, only what I did when faced with a similar choice. I cancelled the date completely, and concentrated on ladies that were serious to meet ME, and not a possible lifestyle. Caveat emptor.

Rick G

... in response to Re: WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by rickmoe on Nov 15, 2002

10-4

... in response to Re: WHAT WOULD YOU DO?, posted by rickmoe on Nov 15, 2002

and you do mean "buyer" literally!