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In three trips to FSU I've met many RW with full sets of ceramic crowns, most with an unattractive yellowish color.  (I don't mean the solid gold or steel caps.)  I'm sure this is a desirable improvement for them, but I wonder if the foundation underneath was well constructed.  I have no way of knowing if the work is good.  

So my questions are  --  Is Russian dental work actually of a better quality than I suspect, and long-lasting?  Do some RW need extensive dental restoration after they arrive in the US?

Also, is this a selection factor that deserves some consideration?  (Last year a poster mentioned paying $50K to correct & repair his new wife's poor dentistry.  Whoa!)

No kids will be involved in my case, but your experience on kids' dental  situations is invited.      

... in response to RW dental needs -  Costs in US? , posted by Burt on Nov 16, 2002

Before you conclude that getting decent dental work in Russia is not an option, it would be worth asking your prospective fiancee to ask around.  We are able to get really good work done for my mother in law at substantially less than it would run here, even with a good dental plan.

Same thing applies to doctors and vaccinations--the private market there contains some good providers, and the cost will be much less than waiting to do it in the USA.  My wife and son arrived with most everything that could be done already taken care of.  Had to complete only the last shots of the Hepatitis series (there they can get the vaccine and do the injections themselves if so inclined) and my son's MMR (they don't usually do mumps there).

For those with kids, the medical process here may be somewhat stressful at first.  Better if you can minimize the amount of time you spend dealing with doctors, dentists, and health insurance in your first few months together, IMHO.

Lastly, one thing we overlooked in our preparations was the vast difference in what medicines are available without a prescription.  It will save a lot of stress if she can pack a decent supply of the remedies she is used to having available at home.

Hope this helps...

... in response to RW dental needs -  Costs in US? , posted by Burt on Nov 16, 2002

Hmmm, It looks like I will have to switch dental plans in May.  We have 3 choices at my work.

Traditional:  Go anywhere, anytime.  Cleaning / check-up paid 80%, Cavities 80%, Crowns / bridges / Major 60% all you pay, they pay after receipt.  Braces 50% $2000 lifetime.

Preffered: Go to network dentist. Cleaning - Checkup free (twice a year), Cavities Free, 2 full x-rays yearly, Major work (Crowns, etc...) 60%.  Braces 60% $2000 lifetime.
Outside network coverage is the same as traditional.

Prepaid:  Network dentist.  Cleaning, checkup, xrays, crown, bridges, dentures, cavities all Free (no deductable).  Braces 50%, $2000 lifetime.  Non-network dentist.  Nothing paid except emergency out of area.

Guess I'll be going with the prepaid just in case :-)  Thanks for another heads up guys.  Great board!

... in response to Re: Time to switch dental plans, posted by Jski on Nov 17, 2002

Jski,

Clue me in (I have questions).

- Is "$2,000 lifetime" applicable only to braces?  or does it apply to all situations collectively?
- If it is all situations collectively, is there a cap on individual situations?
- If it is applicable to braces only, are there yearly or lifetime caps on the other stuff?
- What are your costs for the three different options ("traditional, preferred, prepaid")?
- Also, are there separate individual and family limits?

Bob

... in response to Re: Re: Time to switch dental plans, posted by robobond on Nov 17, 2002

Bob,

$2000 is braces only
No other caps or limits
The costs to me are nothing, company paid fully.  The prepaid and preffered are both Delta based plans, the other is company self insured.

John

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Time to switch dental plans, posted by Jski on Nov 17, 2002

John,
Sounds like a damn good plan to me - I've gotta get something better than I have - that's why I'm asking.
Thanks for the info.
Bob

... in response to RW dental needs -  Costs in US? , posted by Burt on Nov 16, 2002

This is an interesting topic as my wife had her first dental exam on Thursday.  Seems a couple of crowns (among the many she has) are not exactly right and need work (replacement).  The two crown/bridges (3 and 5 teeth involved) replacement is going to be about $5000 here in a small town in Oregon.  My wife had the crowns installed by a "pay" dentist in Russia.  She knew the regular dental service would not be very good in terms of workmanship and materials.  The pay dentist ($50 per crown) was highly thought of.  
Now, according the the local US dentist, the workmanship and materials by this pay dentist are not up to US standards for her crowns.
Of course the question I would ask is whether these "substandard" crowns and bridges are going to last for 6 months, 6 years or 60 years?  A Ford might be "substandard" to a Mercedes but it will still get you where you want to go.

The second thought my wife has is to go back to Russia (which she was planning anyway to visit family and friends) and get the work done/repaired there at 10% of the cost that it would be here.  But the question I'm concerned with is that poor quality work at any cost is not a true savings.

... in response to RW dental needs -  Costs in US? , posted by Burt on Nov 16, 2002

Burt, if you were interested in perhaps finding an American Dentist to do any work there, you might try contacting the American Dental Association about finding one in the city where your girl is, or at least in the capital.  
If she is in Ukraine, you could also try a couple of the places where women have to get their medical exams done by American doctors.  I have listed a couple below.  I am sure they could direct you to some American Denists there-

Poliklinika Neftepererobativayuschey Promishlenosti Ukraine
Spusk Protasov Yar, 9
252110 Kiev, Ukraine
380 44 2774181
2448941

American Medical Center
Berdichevskaya str, 1
252116 Kiev, Ukraine
38044 2116555, 2116371, 2119411

... in response to Re: RW dental needs -  Costs in US? , posted by Oscar on Nov 17, 2002

Neither of them employs American citizens on their medical staffs - and the several doctors that I've met (from AMC) were not trained in America either. In point of fact, the only conection I could discern to America at the AMC was their connection with many of the ex-pat companies insurance departments. Notably, their prices for services were just as high as those paid here in America.

Yes *maybe* the ADA could be of some help. It would be interesting to see.

- Dan

... in response to RW dental needs -  Costs in US? , posted by Burt on Nov 16, 2002

When I was last in Kiev, I met an American dentist who worked for an American company there.  He told me that he would definitely recommend that a woman go to an American dentist THERE as the price would be much less than in the USA..  I hadn't found my girl at that time so I didn't need him.  My girl is in Dnepro and has very nice teeth but that doesn't mean there cannot still be problems. Unfortunately, his company transferred him to Saudi Arabia!  If he were still in Kiev, I would have probably had her stop in to have him take a look.
I am sure there are other American dentists there, I just haven't been too worried about it..  If I were worried, I would be trying to find an American dentist there..

FWIW

... in response to Re: RW dental needs -  Costs in US? , posted by Oscar on Nov 17, 2002

Oscar,

No offense, but I do not find this idea even remotely practical.  I am assuming that we are not talking about just a simple filling here - if we are it's not worth the effort because fillings are relatively inexpensive.  If extensive work is to be done (i.e., extractions, caps, bridges, root canals, periodontal work, follow up appointments (many of which involve seeing a specialist), etc.) then we are also talking many, many, many appointments spread out over a fairly long period of time.  Seems that flying her over multiple times would eat up the unknown savings.  

This also goes against one of your 'Golden Rules' in that you're spending serious $'s before you've even brought her over here on a fiance visa.  

Last, and perhaps not least, sometimes you get what you pay for and cost should not be the sole deciding factor - which it is in this case.  Here I am questioning (1) the expertise/quality of a dentist that works and lives in a less than affluent foreign country on a corporation's payroll vs. being part of a more lucrative private practice here in the US. I don't think you will find the best dentists going this route... (2) the availability of the latest medical supplies, equipment, and ongoing education for a dentist practicing in a FSU country.  

I think you might be sending newbies on a wild goose chase by even suggesting this lameo idea.

And that's my rant.

Bob

... in response to Re: Re: RW dental needs -  Costs in US? , posted by robobond on Nov 17, 2002

You know Bob, a fine post with reasonable concerns except for your last very unecessary comment-
"I think you might be sending newbies on a wild goose chase by even suggesting this lameo idea."  Was that really necessary Bob??

I will adress your concerns-  The American dentist I spent some time with in Kiev was working for an American company, I don't remember which one, it was 2 trips ago.  He told me all about the local dental care there etc..  He said he did VERY extensive work, ie crowns, bridges, caps, root canals etc., and had the very latest technology.  He was doing things with lazers etc, that my dentist HERE sure doesn't have!  It was he who told me that it would be much less costly sending a woman to him there than getting the same work done in the states and that he had done dental work for more than a few guys fiances.  
Regarding quality-  Many of these companies want only the BEST medical and dental care for their people and really pay extremely well.  He was being asked to go to Saudi Arabia and he was embarrassed to tell me how much they were willing to pay him, so I think you may be somewhat misinformed in this area.

I don't know where you got the idea that I was suggesting flying a woman back there once she is in the states, just to get dental work done!  I never would suggest something like that so again, you obviously misunderstood.

Regarding the "golden rule", again you have managed to misunderstand.  I have always said never send money to a woman you have never MET in person before!  I have given my fiance money for her medical exams and for getting to Warsaw for her interview and have posted about it.

Hope this helps.  I can assure you, if I were concerned about my girls teeth, I would be looking for a good American dentist like him over there..
And next time, you might try it without the rudeness..  

... in response to Re: Re: Re: RW dental needs -  Costs in ..., posted by Oscar on Nov 17, 2002

Oscar, re:

[You know Bob, a fine post with reasonable concerns except for your last very unecessary comment-
"I think you might be sending newbies on a wild goose chase by even suggesting this lameo idea." Was that really necessary Bob??]

[...so I think you may be somewhat misinformed in this area.]

[I never would suggest something like that so again, you obviously misunderstood.]

[...again you have managed to misunderstand]

[And next time, you might try it without the rudeness..]
___________________

Chill out, Dude.  I did not mean for my post to be confrontational, abrasive or attacking you, and I don't think it was rude.  Blunt, yes.  Rude, no.  Misunderstanding is a two-way street but it's certainly not a hanging offense.  I think you misunderstood me.  So what? S___ happens.

I happen to not agree with you. I still think this is not remotely practical and a lameo idea.  I don't think that's rude - it's my blunt opinion.  Now, if you take that as a personal attack on your self worth then your burning up a lot of mental energy for nothing.  

I'll comment on the points you raised but that'll be about enough for me.  I'm not trying to start an endless debate here.  It's OK to agree to disagree on a subject.

(1) You post seemed to me to be concurring with the good dentist's comment "I definitely recommend that a woman go to an American dentist THERE as the price would be much less than in the USA."  That's a pretty bold statement w/o facts to back it.  I'm not buying into the concept that based on a conversation you once had with a dentist, this idea becomes practical or even doable.  I'm am not challenging the accuracy of your account but it's 3rd party heresay.  Unless I hear some first hand experiences from ANYONE to contrary I will still have the same opinion.  I am not 'misinformed in this area' - I've yet to be 'informed'.

(2) The other two are tied in together.  I did not say that you were suggesting flying a woman back there once she is in the states but I DO think I miscommunicated by omitting or not elaborating MY thoughts on the matter.  MY thoughts revolved around flying her back there.  Personally, I concur with the general precautionary thinking re: sending $'s to the RW.  I also think that the fiance visa routine should not be taken so literally as to imply that a wedding is a done deal.  Patrick recently had a post re: this & I agree with him.  I view it as a trial period whereby the RW can experience 1st hand what it's going to be like living in this country with you (because you can't figure it all out by visiting her in the FSU).  So by sending big $'s for medical expenses B4 she actually gets here has an obvious financial exposure with or w/o a scam being involved.  I have yet to resolve in my mind how I would handle this issue. I did not misunderstand you - I failed to explain my entire thought process.

You accuse me of being rude and grossly misunderstanding my ass from my elbow.  I can accuse you of being overly combative and having a chip the size of Ethiopia on your shoulder - doesn't get us anywhere, does it?  I watched the last few chapters as you and Dan got in a quagmire which gradually made less and less sense to outside observers - I won't go there with you - capish? - so take me off your enemies list - I'm not here for that.  

Like I said, "Chill out, Dude."

Bob

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: RW dental needs -  Costs..., posted by robobond on Nov 17, 2002

You know Bob, you can accept or reject any of what I said about the whole dentist thing, I really don't much care.  
I also met this dentists girl (from Siberia) and he showed and discussed with me the extensive work he had done on her teeth.  I didn't have "one" conversation with him, but many, as we double dated quite a bit for dinners and to go dancing etc..  We also went for dinner alone a couple of times.  
I don't know what YOU would need to be convinced that not all American Dentists or Doctors are idiots, but his work and our conversations, were plenty good enough for me.  So I will just say that to dismiss this idea, which could end up saving a guy a lot of money, to me would be a "lameo" thing to do..  ;-)

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RW dental needs -  C..., posted by Oscar on Nov 17, 2002

Oscar, Re:

["I also met this dentists girl (from Siberia) and he showed and discussed with me the extensive work he had done on her teeth. I didn't have "one" conversation with him, but many, as we double dated quite a bit for dinners and to go dancing etc.. We also went for dinner alone a couple of times."]

  I'm not a mind-reader nor do I expect you to be.

["I don't know what YOU would need to be convinced that not all American Dentists or Doctors are idiots"]

  I give up, where did this come from?

Oscar, do something here that you didn't do w/ Dan - just give it a rest.  I just don't agree with you - this doesn't make either of us a lesser person, OK?

Bob

... in response to Re: RW dental needs -  Costs in US? , posted by Oscar on Nov 17, 2002

n/t

... in response to Where Would You Start?   n/t, posted by Dan on Nov 17, 2002

.

... in response to RW dental needs -  Costs in US? , posted by Burt on Nov 16, 2002

Reminds me of my first trip to Ukraine in 1993 (I'm a dentist). I asked for dental floss, and was met with blank stares, it wasn't sold anywhere! (Kiev included). Some people told me they used sewing thread. Basically though, the standard of care is susstandard to US, so be prepared for dental expenses, the older the lady, the greater (usually) expense.

Rick G

... in response to RW dental needs -  Costs in US? , posted by Burt on Nov 16, 2002

Burt,

To me one of the values of this forum is a bunch of guys with accepted common goals fraternally jolting each other back into reality when one of us goes adrift and seems to need it.  So when you ask "is this a selection factor that deserves some consideration?" I answer YES.  

I think that this along with other general medical conditions is worthy of discussion as it is a matter that can quite easily bankrupt you.  DOES THAT GET ANYONE'S ATTENTION?  Although my feelings are based on personal experiences not relating to a particular RW or her kids, I would suggest that all of you give this matter a lot more attention than you do.  

I say this knowing that it's easier said than done.  (1) While we(men) are supposed to be the "logical" creatures when it comes to the differences between AM/AW's thought process', I think you can rule this out when (a) we are in the emotional love trip (b) we are in the 'rutting' mood.  Then it's "F___ the practical, F___ the logic, let's just do it!"  

My background includes (1) I'm now looking for a Russian bride & been there twice.  (2) I'm now in the middle of extensive dental work.  (3) My ex was diagnosed with a rare terminal blood disease a few years ago.  (4) I had a quadruple bypass operation at the same time (young by anyone's standards).  Let me tell you, all this S___ is expensive!.  

Dental: Cosmetics don't seem to be as important in Russia (my Opinion). Although dental work is free they seem to have to pay extra (off the books) for quality.  In the US some consumer organizations have recommended against even buying dental insurance coverage as the annual premium almost approaches the annual benefits available (which are quite low compared to other health coverages.) If you have kids involved, check out your coverages on braces.  My periodontist told me last week that implants were not covered under my plan -- he ballparked three at about $9-10,000 total.  This and other planned work could easily approach $50,000 in the next 10 yrs. - I've had American dental work done all my life.  The obvious and cheapest alternative always is to yank the teeth and put in choppers -- do you want that for your new bride or yourself?.....

Health: My bypass was done by the best Doc on the East Coast - he's been written up in Time Magazine - his bill (for the surgery alone) was over $75,000 -- the whole procedure easily topped $100,000.  My ex's only chance of survival, as diagnosed by the best hospitals in US - we went to them all -- was a bone marrow transplant - entry fee $650,000 -- add in follow up care & you're easily over $1mm - for this disease it's "experimental" - good luck on insurance coverage -- I'd have to sue to get any at all...

Do you still wonder if this is worth consideration?

I'm sure you'll get a smattering of personal stories re: your question but good luck on putting that into any kind of statistical advice because the data isn't there.

Burt, MY (it's free) advise to you:

You simply cannot over-analyze (note that this includes the word 'anal') this stuff when it comes to getting married AND you're getting older all the time.  Like, how many clinical analysis' and medical questionnaires can you submit your prospective family to?  What do you do in the absence of test results?... put qualification clauses in the marriage vows?  Obviously, you can't wring out all the risks here.  Take a quick and educated scan of the situation, ask her questions about your largest concerns, hold your breath, and say "I do."  Remember, "I Do" is a better or worse thing.  Almost all AW get married with this vow but in retrospect I think they are only committing to 'better' -- if it hit's 'worse' she's outa there!

Especially for you unmarried bachelors w/ no kids, check your current insurance coverages and ask a LOT of questions.  You may just have a policy that's great for you but perfectly s___ty for a family...

If you get too critical on your analysis you're gonna destroy the romance of the whole thing and become a cold-blooded A--H---.  If you get too sloppy on your analysis you're gonna become a very poor schmuck.  THAT's the fun of it all!  And so with all that concrete advice, just jump on in there and you are gauranteed to succeed (or fail)!  I think I just went on a rant here so I apologize for that.  

Bob  

... in response to Let's talk teeth, folks!, posted by robobond on Nov 16, 2002

To the dentist on board, what are the major alarms you have seen with their teeth ?

I just can't seem to grasp that their workmanship is so lousy.  As long as she is doubled over with pain.  Why replace it... I mean, how long do their filling last compared to ours.

Are you talking about denistry skills of the indivdual or the material compounds?

Don't say both, as one will have to out weight the other in retrospective.  Which one is the main concern.

... in response to Re:  Tell me just how bad there workmans..., posted by wsbill on Nov 17, 2002

I will tell you that our dentist told us that he has worked on quite a few people from the FSU and they nearly all have similar issues.

In Olya's case, the dentist left one root canal unfilled. The Ukrainian dentist also applied a bonding compound that was incompatible with the type of material used as a facade for the tooth. The lack of workmanship was evident in the polishing job that was (or should I say - wasn't) done to the exterior of the teeth. And the basic materials used for tooth exteriors - particularly those which are seen often (in the front) were substandard.

All aspects of her experience with dentistry in Ukraine were sub-par when taken in comparison with American dentistry.

Notably, this dentist made the same observation that I made in an earlier post - the people he has seen from the FSU are all conscientious about their dental hygiene. The problems arise from a lack of materials and professionalism on the part of the dentists. Not all FSU dentists, I am sure - but enough to suggest it is an area worth some attention.

FWIW

- Dan

... in response to Let's talk teeth, folks!, posted by robobond on Nov 16, 2002

How yous gonna take a peek into them fillys mouths without making them feel like horses at an auction?

... in response to I'm wondering, posted by Pordzhik on Nov 17, 2002

I've found romantic music or a boring movie and a couch to work for inspections of dental hygiene.

... in response to Re: I'm wondering, posted by Zink on Nov 17, 2002

Why not just slip them a Mickey.  Poof - lights out!

... in response to Re: Re: I'm wondering, posted by wsbill on Nov 17, 2002

WS, I think that thought is another thread.... but, it has potential....   :)

... in response to Re: Re: I'm wondering, posted by wsbill on Nov 17, 2002

is this your preferred method of sedution (keyboard isn't allowing: the letter "after b" at the present)?

Sad...

... in response to So, Bill..., posted by BURKE89 on Nov 17, 2002

Like the women at the morgue.  (sic).

But the whole point was to check under the hood to find any real potential problems.

I could break out my photo collection of my hydroponic tomatos and really knock'em out.  Course, this would probably turn them on.

... in response to Re: Re: I'm wondering, posted by wsbill on Nov 17, 2002

I kind of like my girls a little more lively.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: I'm wondering, posted by Zink on Nov 17, 2002

Just make 'em laugh and all is revealed.

Or bore them til they yawn.

... in response to Re: Re: Re: I'm wondering, posted by Zink on Nov 17, 2002

n/t

... in response to I'm wondering, posted by Pordzhik on Nov 17, 2002

and assume the rest are messed up.  ;-)

... in response to Just pick the ones with smiling pictures..., posted by BubbaGump on Nov 17, 2002

that's about all you can do....

... in response to Let's talk teeth, folks!, posted by robobond on Nov 16, 2002

Good advice, Thank you.  This potential problem needs serious consideration.

One comment, in my experience America is obssesed with straight bright white teeth.  In my travels through Europe I was struck by the crooked, stained teeth on all ages and missing teeth among the middle and old aged.

Please don't misunderstand me, I agree that the FSU ladies I have met, older 30's and 40's, all had poor dental care.

Thanks to my dental insurance and my former wife's insistence she and all my kids had braces.  I never had braces and my teeth work just fine. I must confess though, I am lucky, my teeth are fairly straight.

... in response to Re: Let's talk teeth, folks!, posted by wilmc on Nov 17, 2002

America is not obsessed. Only a small percent of population see a dentist on a regular basis. People on this board, for a number of reasons, are probably a healthier lot. Also, I have visited major cities in Colombia, an economically compromised country to say the least, and you can't believe the amount of young people wearing braces (they call them brackets).

Rick G, DMD

... in response to Re: Re: Let's talk teeth, folks!, posted by rickmoe on Nov 17, 2002

You are right, of course.  I fell into the trap of ignoring the "invisible poor."  I stand corrected.  
Thank you.

... in response to Let's talk teeth, folks!, posted by robobond on Nov 16, 2002

Very good post.  And let me make a couple of other observations.

First, I think it was Dan who said there was no problem with the methods of hygiene of the ladies.  I didn't find that to be true.  Despite only interacting with highly educated ladies, I found many who did not even brush their teeth on a regular basis, and most looked at my dental floss in complete mystery.

Second, several mentioned that their insurance 'paid' a certain portion of the bills.  Sorry, but the insurance companies don't pay anything.  They collect money from people, cover their overhead, make some profit, and cover some costs for some people.  So when we report that the insurance company is paying part of the bills for our new RW and their children, the reality is that our friends and co-workers are picking up part of the tab for us.   Same idea as when we think the government 'pays' for something.

JR

... in response to Agree with this analysis, posted by juio99 on Nov 16, 2002

n/t

... in response to Re: well duh... that's what insurance is..., posted by wsbill on Nov 17, 2002

You are correct, of course.  

Please keep the sarcasm, "well duh..." out of our exchanges.

Let's all try to be civil towards each other.  We may get a nice feeling out of it.

... in response to RW dental needs -  Costs in US? , posted by Burt on Nov 16, 2002

May play some part in this equation - but I can say that we spent a bit more than $10k on dental work with about 1/2 of it covered by insurance in the first few months after arrival. Only routine check-ups since.

Some ladies have reported little to no dental work needed - and that is where the luck and genetics comment may play into things.

Factors that contribute when there are problems are; (a) lack of fluoride in the water, and (b) inferior materials that many dentists use for repairs. I do not think that personal hygiene is any issue whatsoever. All of the women I know from the FSU are fastidious about taking good care of themselves - and their teeth are no exception.

I would not be surprised at all if you are looking at shelling out some pretty decent $$ for dental work.

- Dan

... in response to Luck and Genetics . . ., posted by Dan on Nov 16, 2002

Holy S___ Dan!  Send me details re: your dental carrier ASAP!

... in response to RW dental needs -  Costs in US? , posted by Burt on Nov 16, 2002

My wife is currently getting everything re-done. She will have 7 new crowns by the time she is done, in addition to having every filling replaced.

The total cost is $6,000....about 2/3 will be picked up by dental insur.

I do not know where that guy came up with $50k ..sounds like a crock to scare people.

My stepson has had 2 baby teeth pulled because they were full of holes it was not worth saving. At 7 y.o. he has had one root canal on 1 of only 6 adult teeth, the rest of his teeth have had new fillings.
The cost for him...$1,000, all paid for by insurance.

... in response to Re: RW dental needs -  Costs in US? , posted by Apk1 on Nov 16, 2002

Holy S___, Apk!  Send me details re: your dental carrier ASAP!

... in response to Re: Re: RW dental needs -  Costs in US? , posted by robobond on Nov 16, 2002

Even inside the mouth and check out her physical health, too.  I think most of these issue could be easily cleared up with the facts.

Do you want to save a few hundred bucks on dental work?
Go to a dentist outside of a major city, where the cost of living is much less, but the quality of workmanship just as good.

I was doin some work for the Navy recently and of course the navy gave me a free check (but no free dental work - the reserves for ya).  Anyway I thought I'd have it done in the Memphis area - Root canal quotes were $750, I can home to small town USA and got it done for $550.

Clearly not everyone can have all the filling replaced at one time, but any dentist will tell you to get the work done on a timely basis.

Does anyone know if they have floride rinses in a bottle in the FSU countries.  You guys that aren't taking care of you teeth, should wake up.  And take care of your teeth.

Now go floss now and follow up with a brushing and douche those things down with the anti-cavity rinses.