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....this one to me. This kinda fits in with the thread below about bringing one here first.

As I mentioned, I'm helping a pal with this adventure. He was almost scammed a while back but now, after dealing with tons of girls, he has found what he thinks is the R/W of his dreams....in Canada. (How they connected is an interesting story in itself.) 35 and beautiful, she has never been involved with MOB in anyway. Came to The Great White North a few years ago on some sort of family visa. My pal is mesmerized by this woman (after seeing her photos and speaking with her, can't say I blame him) and is considering meeting her in the US rather than him going to Canada. (She has a US tourist visa.)

Although it's premature, he's wondering what the process will be if this develops? A typical K1? She is *not* a Canadian citizen and holds a Russian passport. Yet she is legal and even has a US visa and has been here a few times. Under what legal status is she in Canada? How does the Canadian version of "permanent resident" work? Zink? Del? Other Canucks out there?

Fwiw, I've talk to her a little and it's been interesting. Although she's never been involved in MOB she has some pretty strong opinions about the motives of those she knows back home who are. She also has some serious viewpoints on how they'll change once here. Suffice to say, it ain't good. (Don't beat on the messenger, I offer it up only as a data point. At least she has experience in one of those areas.)

Her westernization is very apparent and manifests itself in several ways. An interesting mix of R/W and A/W, she's not at all like those I dealt with in the FSU. Still, she's quite compelling and he thinks she's mighty fine. Immigration is not an issue (perhaps you've heard Canada was recently ranked as the best country to live in), so he feels comfortable she's not a player.

Anyone want to comment on how this situation should proceed? Visa issues or otherwise?

Btw, if you think thats strange let me tell you about a very sweet girl he found in Kherson who is looking for someone. She has two young daughters from two seperate men....both black Africans. (How this happened in Southern Ukraine is still somewhat of a mystery to us.)

These kids are beautiful, dark skinned and with some features of that race. As you can imagine, the flack she has to take from the local community (including her family) is staggering. It's a shame the kids are suffering also. Anyone up to this challenge? If so, let me know and I'll pass it along.

... in response to OK, someone splain......, posted by LP on Nov 6, 2002

About the sweet girl in Kherson:

This gal has to have a very strong preference for black men. I mean it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that she had to work darn hard to get two different children from two different black men in Ukraine.  

Me, I personally would never pursue a Caucasian woman who has displayed a strong preference for black men. It is not that I am prejudice. I do not really care who a woman was with in the past relative to ethnicity. It is not about that. It is just that I have observed that women who prefer black men commonly never shed that preference and they end up cheating on their Caucasian husband with a black man or leaving him for one sooner or later.

Of course this is a generalization that does not apply all the time and perhaps rarely. However, I have seen it enough to get my attention. Why add another quirk into the equation when there are enough challenges as it is with MOB's.

... in response to Here comes a controversial comment or no..., posted by thesearch on Nov 7, 2002

...what they say? Once you've had black, you can never go back?

I don't know the details but yeah, it appears she had to work at this. Then again, there *could* be another explanation. And if she does have that preference, why doesn't she exploit it now? She must know she would be pursed by the black men involved in MOB. Then again, maybe she doesn't.

I dunno Doc, she did make her own bed and is now laying in it. But that doesn't mean she deserves any less than the rest of them. (or us) Race is just another example (one of dozens) that proves God has a sense of humor. I mean come on, He makes us in several colors but the predominant is black and white? There *has* to be a reason He did that and if it's what I assume, we have failed miserably at it.

I do see your point. Somewhat ironic coming from a man who knows better than most we're all pink inside. ;-)

... in response to So, it's true....., posted by LP on Nov 8, 2002

"Once they go black we don't want them back."........is what I think you were trying to come up with.  I do not think most guys are looking for a girl with black kids.  Heck, all they have to do is go to NYC to find tons of those kinds of women.

... in response to LP - did you mean this?, posted by Bobby Orr on Nov 8, 2002

did you see LESLIE's quip on tolerance in NYC recently?

Vaughn

... in response to Hey Bobby...., posted by BURKE89 on Nov 8, 2002

No, where is it?  I could use a good laugh.

... in response to So, it's true....., posted by LP on Nov 8, 2002

LP: "She must know she would be pursed by the black men involved in MOB."

I am not sure about that. Are there many black men pursuing MOB from the FSU? We have heard that as a group they (FSU) women are prone to preferring Caucasian men. There might not be that many black men seeking FSU women. I wonder how many guys here are of dark skinned races?

LP: "I dunno Doc, she did make her own bed and is now laying in it. But that doesn't mean she deserves any less than the rest of them."

We are in total agreement here and I wish her the best. People come to inappropriate conclusions all the time about other individuals and issues based upon correlating past experience to this new person or event. I am no exception. It is a normal protection mechanism that is not likely to go away none too soon I am afraid as it does serve a purpose but, not without cost I will admit.

LP: "I do see your point. Somewhat ironic coming from a man who knows better than most we're all pink inside."

Hey it does not mater what I know or understand as I am only one in a world of millions. I only call it as I see it relative to this mass of humanity. You have to respect what other people think and respond if you are going to survive your experience on planet Earth with less trauma. :)

... in response to could be, posted by thesearch on Nov 8, 2002

My pool guy recently returned from a church charity trip to the Ukraine.  One of the things that he mentioned was the large number of African-FSU and Cuban-FSU children in the orphanages.  Their condition was so poor, and the numbers so large, he said there were "thousands", that the church is thinking of starting a charity drive to help.  He wanted to know and would I be willing to contribute.

After some research on the web I found the following info:

Inter-Racial Children's Charity Fund (Metis)
Associated with the Institute of African Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Metis works with children of mixed race and their families in providing educational help, medical and other family assistance, including facilitation of adoption. The fund is opening a center to teach African culture and languages. More than 8,000 children of African-Russian parents live in Russia, half of them in Moscow.
Contact:Emilia Tynes-Mensash, c/o the Institute of African Studies, Spiradonovka 30, Korp. 1, 4th floor, Tel/Fax: 203-0285, 391-9710, 290-2752

from: http://www.expat.ru/community/s_charities.asp

... in response to Larger # of Black to FSU relationships t..., posted by Houston540 on Nov 8, 2002

Black African Communists training in Russia, from the late 50's through '91. Ask a white or black: Kenyan/Rhodie/Angolan/Namibian/Zambian/South African or a lad from Mozambique about Soviet Russia or Red China. LOL... Ya' don't want to frig with these 220,000 black Rhodie's sittin' in squalor, outside Jo-berg. You say Mugabe... they say death.  

I don't know why, we have to be so milque-toast on this subject. We happen to be looking for a white wife, from the FSU. I, personally, want white (European) children. Why, do we have to apologize for this desire? I'm sorry, this gal was shaggin' Nigerian "diplomats" yet, she has knowledge of her country's cultural mores, and her actions = results.

Maybe LP or Yoe, should illuminate us; and adopt, their former "friends of Che, Mandela & Ho etall..."

I, for one, am looking for a gal who loves her European/Russian culture and desires continuity.

Best regards,

Vaughn

... in response to Yes, of course, they're were..., posted by BURKE89 on Nov 8, 2002

You seem to have a big issue with "Communists" yet you state "We happen to be looking for a white wife, from the FSU". What is the first question you are going to ask a RW, "are you, or have you been a member of the communist party".  Guess what, the answer is likely to be yes!

The FSU's vaunted cultural morality seems to consist of abortion instead of birth control, and discarding children at the drop of a hat.  Talk about deadbeat dads.

... in response to Larger # of Black to FSU relationships t..., posted by Houston540 on Nov 8, 2002

I see that your interest is in latin women so, what brought you to this neck of the woods if I might ask?

Greg

... in response to One question, posted by thesearch on Nov 8, 2002

I am a divorced guy, soon to be final!, so I am interested in women period!  At the time I signed up with PL I was dating a Latino from Argentina.  I have recently been dating a RW from Rostov-on-Donu and have been reading this board for possible insight.

... in response to Larger # of Black to FSU relationships t..., posted by Houston540 on Nov 8, 2002

you post a question and bingo someone comes up with information like this.

thanks

... in response to OK, someone splain......, posted by LP on Nov 6, 2002

You're actually helping somebody less capable (and maybe more emotional) than yourself?  Wonder if you told him of your previous involvement with her, and did you rock his world with the news?  What comes around, goes around there cap'n.  You're a riot.  On one hand you're a saint.  On another, you're a wannabe manly sl_ut.

Which is it?  Saint LP or Sl_ut LP?

Yeah, I'm just fired up to be banned for restarting this banter but this crap really takes the cake....

Maybe most reading this won't remember your illustrious history here LP, but maybe if folks do a search for the word "rock", it may make sense to them.

Yeah...
More more more.  Al Gore LP for President.  Lol.

... in response to amazing., posted by BrianN on Nov 7, 2002

I know some of the history of LP. And I know some about what was said of board. Personally I don't give a crap about that. If someone asks a decent question of me I'll try to give a decent answer. It's about sharing info, I don't get involved emotionally with what goes on here anymore. I liked both MarkinTX and LP and I thought what happened was incredibly stupid on both their parts(and some other's). I was in Russia and missed the original mess that started it all. But it needs to end somewhere. Mark's happy with his fiance and LP's behaving and that's good enough for me.

... in response to Re: amazing., posted by Zink on Nov 7, 2002

n/t

... in response to OK, someone splain......, posted by LP on Nov 6, 2002

Just out of curiosity, this gal's name isn't Irina is it? From Ottawa?

I would like to know what she says. Why don't you have her write her thoughts down, send them to you, and post them here. Maybe, just maybe.........................no, probably not! She'll probably get slammed. But I for one would like to hear her opinions.

Steve

... in response to Re: OK, someone splain......, posted by Quasimoto on Nov 6, 2002

...not Irina and not Ottatwa. See below for some of her opinions.

As for the rest, yeah, she would get slammed here.

... in response to Nope....., posted by LP on Nov 6, 2002

she'd run from you like the plague.

Kind of funny how so many fools gather around your topic and they know who you are and what you're about....

This is really amazing, and quite disgraceful behaviour on the part of what I would consider to be an honorable crowd.

hmmm...  Had your world rocked lately?

... in response to OK, someone splain......, posted by LP on Nov 6, 2002

....for the input.

RW: Yes, I think he may need a attorney to look into this more closely. If she was a Canadian citizen she would have to go through a normal K1. After all, Canada is a forgien country and they are not excempt from the process. The problem is, she's not a Canadian citizen. If this flys it'll be interesting to see what the INS considers her to "be" from an immigration standpoint and what hoops will be required to jump through.

Zinkman: Thanks for the scoop. If you find out more, let me know. I have since found out she came on a business visa, then married a Russian/Canadian. I surmise that changed her status in some way. Divorced now, she has a tourist visa for the US good until 2007. She needs that and can't simply enter the US the way you "real" Canadians can. Other than this and voting, she claims the same rights as any Canadian citizen. Make sense to you?

KenC: I see you're falling back on your own experience. Interesting, that might be an angle to explore. If it pans out, that would be the sweetest plum of all. It appears she'll soon be coming to meet him as he say it's to damn cold up north. (Typical native Southern Californian, they'll die below 10 C. ;-)

Pordzhik: Thanks, I'll pass it on. Her situation is not clear to me because I got all this second hand. I think the first child may have happened outside of Ukraine but it's hard to tell because of her writing skills. Something about while she was attending school somewhere. The second was the result of a marriage to a Nigerian and I think this was in Ukraine. I admit that would be unusual. Just proves how potent love can be. Then again, thats no surprise to the folks here. ;-)

Bill: Basically it's the same views as all the other women I have befriended in the FSU who spilled their guts after giving up trying to win my slot. Generally speaking, when the ball is no longer in play they confessed the priority is to get here first and hope the marriage works as a bonus. If it does not, at least they are here and will have other oppurtunities. But most *do* hope the marriage will work. Most say their "love" is exaggerated for this purpose but they hope all will turn out OK. Kind of a mix between a true scam and a true love. No foul, no harm. Sounds about right to me. Of course, there are exceptions to this M.O. but I've heard it from so many now I beleive it to be truth.

Se may say she's westernized but her "Russianness" is starting to spill out all over my buddy. Thats a good thing I suppose, proves you can't take all the Russian out of some folks. She's already written a few things that have blown him away and bring back some fond memories for me. lol, damn these girls.....

As for the Kherson girl, I agree she has serious moxie. You be right: Ukrainian culture takes a dim view of this based on her writings. It's gotta make life even tougher than normal. But being the true FSU mom she seems to be, she loves these kids and will not back down. I know there have been some African Americans in MOB on ocassion and she might be of interest to them. Course, a white guy could just as easily help her if he was so inclined. I wish her luck.

... in response to Thanks all....., posted by LP on Nov 6, 2002

Lol!  you da man!  You Rock!  You got all the bases and your buddies covered here dewd!  

LP-ay for Presidente!

... in response to OK, someone splain......, posted by LP on Nov 6, 2002

LP,

as you know yourself he definitely needs to talk to the lawyer and figure out the situation.

I just know that friend of mine, who is American just got married to Canadian guy and they had to do K-1 even though he is Canadian citizen and can come to US without visa requirements. That was my original thought that he just would come, they get married and file for AOS. They told me that another couple they know did that and than INS turned down their AOS application cause they did it skipping K-1 route. So they went K-1 route which in their case was very fast as obviously the waiting period is not even comparable to the one in Russia or Ukraine.

There is another trigger here. She certainly can come over and they can get married - there is no law against it, but according to INS she should have been coming to US WITHOUT intend to get married. If they can demonstrate later that there was no intend, there AOS interview might go well - you never know.

Russian Wife

... in response to OK, someone splain......, posted by LP on Nov 6, 2002

I'll try to explain what I know about Canadian immigration. Del is more of an expert but I think he's busy at the moment. It's been too long since I studied all this to go into much more detail. There are a wide variety of visas for Canada. The stupid laws for family class visas changed recently and it's much more difficult for Russians to come to Canada. I'm not up to date on them yet. I figured I'd wait until I was sure I wanted to bring someone over and then study the latest version of the laws. But anyhow.

Canada doesn't have a green card but it does have conditional citizen status. I believe this status is given immedietly once the immigration application is accepted. Then they have the same travel rights as a Canadian citizen as far as our government is concerned. Other countires will still treat them as Russians until they become full citizens. I forget whether it is 3 or 5 years before they can apply for full citizenship. Being a permanent resident of Canada probably gives them an edge on obtaining visas for other other countries like the US because we do have such strict regulations.

Depending on what type of visa the person immigrated with there are different rules. I've met lots of people from different countries who've come here on ordinary immigrant visas. But if they came on a family class(including the now obsolete fiance visa) there were more restrictions. The immigrant can't work or own property until they are granted citizenship. I have a cousin who married a Korean student many years ago. They brought her mother over and then got into some problems. The mom has lived here legally for about 10 years but can't gain her citizenship. So she's been working illegally to earn enough money to live. I don't know all the details about their case or the reasons why this happened.

... in response to OK, someone splain......, posted by LP on Nov 6, 2002

LP.
I would think that a K-1 is not necessary because her entrance into the US would be covered by her standing visa.  If and when they got married, they would pettition the INS for a change in status (AOS).  I am surprised about the woman with the kids as Russians in general are rather intolerant of inter-racial relationships.
KenC

... in response to Re: OK, someone splain......, posted by KenC on Nov 6, 2002

Hi Ken,

I agree wholeheartedly, but I might add, that as a University sports coach, I saw many many of these relationships over the years. I only know of one couple who got married. Most of the women had kids, and the father was gone!!!!  I believe it is a flirtation with danger, and a certain rebeliousness that is involved. I could write a book and have a lot of observations on this issue, but not here. In the FSU, it is really surprising, though POP culture and their versions of MTV over there are really promoting it.

Steve

... in response to OK, someone splain......, posted by LP on Nov 6, 2002

Advise the Kherson lady to place a personal ad in www.loot.co.uk, a popular free ads publication with a wide readership based in London. Having mixed-race children is not really an issue in these parts nowadays.

... in response to OK, someone splain......, posted by LP on Nov 6, 2002

That is pretty rare I would imagine.  The mere fact that she held on to both of them is quite interesting since a orphanage would seem like a likely destination for both in a other wise discrimating place like Ukraine.

Kudo to her.

Tell us more about the Canadian girl, about her opinions etc...