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How did the Russian special forces free the hostages in the Moscow theatre without all of the explosives going off inside?

... in response to Hostages freed, posted by Ramblin on Oct 26, 2002

Dang, they got the job done. 60 or 70 dead & most of the terrorist dead. I gotta hand it to them, they pulled it off. My hat's off to them. Now let's see how THEY respond to this. Like someone else wrote you cyould have had the opposit #'s.

... in response to They made Janet Reno look incompetent., posted by Frank O on Oct 26, 2002

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Is might always right?????????????

Was the bully in the schoolyard whuppin arses right just because he was bigger??????

The truth behind such events a "Waco" are often painted a different color just to improve appearance and then swept under the rug.

A Truth: There are lies, d@mned lies and the truth.

It ain't no popular war in Russia, only propoganda and greed fuel the fires. The sight of the Russian officer, who lost his legs due to a land mine in Chechnya, sitting on a makeshift box/chair in the middle of Arabat Street with his head hung low hoping for donations to support himself comes to my mind. It is a war without honor on the Russian side. Here was a man who had been proud to be a soldier for his country reduced to this. I'll never forget the look in his eyes as I laid $40 in his beret.

Who supports this war? You have. How you say. Thru the IMF, Slick Willie saw to that. What is international about the IMF? Not much.

My, if you "thought" England funded 9/11 , you would be ready to get that baseball bat and work their arses over wouldn't you?

_____________________________________________quote's, varied sources, also see article in National Geographic article.

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation. -- Herbert Spencer (1820-1903)
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Moscow's dogged brutality has deep roots in its determination not to lose the spoils of past greatness and geographical assets. Chechnya is a strategic rail and oil pipeline route. Losing it would block the reach of Moscow's influence to the whole Transcaucasia
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Reporting Sergeyev's comments, the November 15 New York Times noted, “Such suspicions have been fuelled in Russia by American attempts to persuade former Soviet republics in the region to build an oil pipeline that would skirt Russia and Iran.” This broadly hints at a key issue in the present conflict in Chechnya. What is being played out there is a great power struggle between the US, Russia and Europe over control of the strategically vital Caucasus, which borders on the Caspian Sea, site of the world's largest deposit of untapped oil reserves. At stake in this contest are billions of dollars in oil and gas revenues and the vast military and geopolitical advantages that fall to whichever power gains a dominant position in Central Asia.
Transcaucasia has strategic significance for Western companies and the US and European governments because it serves as a bridge between Caspian oil fields and Europe, via either the Black Sea or the Mediterranean. In October of 1997 Le Monde Diplomatique made a sober estimation of the implications of friction over control of the Caspian for relations between the US and Russia, writing, “American oil companies were interested in the Caspian long before the State Department came up with a coherent policy for the area.... The negotiation of oil contracts enabled Washington to show a direct interest in the region.
“The US government sees it as an extra source of energy, should Persian Gulf oil be threatened. It also wants to detach the former Soviet republics from Russia both economically and politically, so as to make the formation of a Moscow-led union impossible. In an article published in the spring, former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger wrote that if Moscow succeeded in dominating the Caspian, it would achieve a greater victory than the expansion of NATO would be for the West.”
Concluding its overview of the situation, Le Monde Diplomatique wrote: “The Caucasus is an amazing mosaic of alliances, with each [republic] seeking the patronage of one or more foreign powers. As the new arrival, the United States is trying to secure for itself a major role, with a commensurate reduction in the Russian presence and Iranian ambitions. Jealous of these developments in what has only recently become foreign territory, Russia is still reeling from its [1995] defeat in Chechnya. In short, the next stage in Caucasian history will be played out between the ascendancy of American power and the resistance of Russia.”
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other sites:

http://www.csmonitor.com/atcsmonitor/specials/chechnya/ch9.html

http://www.csmonitor.com/atcsmonitor/specials/chechnya/ch1.html

One more thought: Hosea 4:6

... in response to Incompetency, posted by Lynn on Oct 26, 2002

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a bunck of redneck, conservative commie haters, who support CIA funded aggression and hardlined 'killem all and let God sortem out" mentality-going to a Former Socialist Country to find a life mate.........Go figure.
I would suggest maybe Berlin that way you can at least be in the right region when you find your socialist wife-maybe she will at least have SOME Nazi influence!
I Just Do Not Get It!
Joe

... in response to Irony!, posted by yoe on Oct 27, 2002

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Hey Yoe,

 You been just swimming a circle trying to decide wheather to bite?????  ;)

Just glad I live in the land of cotton,

Old times, truths, rights and values are not "quite" forgotten,

G'day from Dixie,

    Lynn

... in response to What took you so long?, posted by Lynn on Oct 27, 2002

n.t

... in response to Incompetency, posted by Lynn on Oct 26, 2002

about me Lynn. First off I hate SLick Willie & that lesbo Reno who fought so hard to prove she could hang with the big guys just because she wanted so hard to be a guy. Second, I don't take sides on the Russian/Chechnyan war. I just stated the Russians handled the thing the right way.

... in response to don't assume anything..., posted by Frank O on Oct 26, 2002

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We both know the definition of assume, I didn't.

Title heading was not directed to you, looking at the way I posted, perhaps I was a bit out of sync in my message delivery.

On the subject of Willie and Reno the she-it, we're on the same page.

If you were making the statement purely about military tactics, point taken. From the wording it just didn't come across that way to me.

Regarding taking sides in the war; You have, by proxy. We all have. Maybe not willingly. The support was there and it came from us none the less.

I offer here some history compiled and said to be verified by the CIA records on the region. Check out the note at the end of the second paragraph-----Newsfeed for non-u.s.a. newspapers/media:

http://www.idis.com/ChouOnline/chechnya2.html

Ah, now for a midnight ride on my bike, Schwinn that is.

Regards,

Lynn

... in response to don't assume anything..., posted by Frank O on Oct 26, 2002

here. No Vickie Weaver head-shot's, around these parts. There are some fine people here, buddy. Even my O.C. heritage, feels comfortable, amongest all you Texan's.
Vaughn

... in response to They made Janet Reno look incompetent., posted by Frank O on Oct 26, 2002

Life is full of "could haves."  They took a calculated risk and it proved to be the right choice.

... in response to you could have, but you didn't..., posted by robobond on Oct 26, 2002

NT

... in response to Hostages freed, posted by Ramblin on Oct 26, 2002

Who knows (which means 'don't ask') , but the results were OK, weren't they?

... in response to Hostages freed, posted by Ramblin on Oct 26, 2002

Unfortunately, some of the terrorists had dead-man switches on their explosives. I think there is a possibility of a "Soviet" style response to the Chechens. I wouldn't blame them for it. I wouldn't be surprised if the Russian legislature authorizes a "scorched earth" policy.

-blm

... in response to Sleep gas used in raid..., posted by BarryM on Oct 26, 2002

you have such disdain for, actually removed the "cancer."
Vaughn

... in response to Hostages freed, posted by Ramblin on Oct 26, 2002

To knockoff anyone near a mine.  

However, that you can bet there will probably be about 75 dead, roughly 10% or so, it's got to be a damn mess inside.

Sure beats 90% dead and 10% living.

... in response to Re: Probably used snipers, posted by wsbill on Oct 26, 2002

check this this site out, www.russiajournal.com/misc/slide

... in response to Re: Re: Probably used snipers, posted by blackjack53 on Oct 26, 2002

Wow!  Thanks for the link.